Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Well, if the nose is longer I'd _expect_ more welds.

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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That should be "more welds".  Not sure where I got rivets...

-D

> On May 20, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chassis codeYearsModelEngine  
>   Number built[6]
>DisplacementModel
> Type
> W114.0151968–19732302.3 LM180I6   
>  152,822
> W114.6151973–1976230.62.3 L M180I6
> 63,497
> W115.0171973–1976230.42.3 L M115I4
> 87,609
> 
> Lang:
> Chassis codeYearsModelEngine  
>   Number built[6]
>   
>  DisplacementModelType
> W114.0171968–1973230 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L
> M180I61,082
> W114.6171968–1973230.6 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L 
> M180I61,131
> 
> 
> Wikipedia knows all.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W114
> 
> So, both 4 and cy cyl versions of the 230 are floating around in 114 and 115 
> chassis.  No wonder everyone is confusticated.
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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I always thought the "more rivets" claim was BS, as there was nothing to 
support it.

If there was a model series I know the least about it's the W114/115. I've had 
one of them, a W114 1970 250C, which had the same M130 engine my 1970 250S had 
with the wonderful Zenith carbs that no one other than myself and Jaime like.

That car came cheap, and a good thing as it was a closet rust bucket.  The 
driver's side rocker panel was rusted through as was the inside of the fender 
above it. I had to slap a bunch of fiberglass on the floor to keep from getting 
splashed when I drove through a puddle.

Otherwise, it was a fun car. That's if you ignore the ordeal of replacing the 
heater blower motor that I still have scars from doing on my right hand...

-D

> On May 20, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chassis codeYearsModelEngine  
>   Number built[6]
>DisplacementModel
> Type
> W114.0151968–19732302.3 LM180I6   
>  152,822
> W114.6151973–1976230.62.3 L M180I6
> 63,497
> W115.0171973–1976230.42.3 L M115I4
> 87,609
> 
> Lang:
> Chassis codeYearsModelEngine  
>   Number built[6]
>   
>  DisplacementModelType
> W114.0171968–1973230 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L
> M180I61,082
> W114.6171968–1973230.6 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L 
> M180I61,131
> 
> 
> Wikipedia knows all.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W114
> 
> So, both 4 and cy cyl versions of the 230 are floating around in 114 and 115 
> chassis.  No wonder everyone is confusticated.
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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Chassis codeYearsModelEngine
Number built[6]
Displacement
ModelType
W114.0151968–19732302.3 LM180I6
152,822
W114.6151973–1976230.62.3 L M180I6  
  63,497
W115.0171973–1976230.42.3 L M115I4
87,609


Lang:
Chassis codeYearsModel
EngineNumber built[6]

DisplacementModelType
W114.0171968–1973230 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L
M180I61,082
W114.6171968–1973230.6 Lang (LWB saloon)2.3 L
 M180I61,131



Wikipedia knows all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W114

So, both 4 and cy cyl versions of the 230 are floating around in 114 and 
115 chassis.  No wonder everyone is confusticated.

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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That might make sense as the early 230s were 6 cyl vergassers (I don't 
know if it was M180 or M130) and some of the 230 vergassers were 4 cyl.


I completely skipped the 114/5 generation other than the one rustbucket 
115 300D I scrapped.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
May 20, 2017 at 3:51 PM
I think the pre 74 114 might have had a longer hood but I think 74 and 
after is the same.




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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I think the pre 74 114 might have had a longer hood but I think 74 and after is 
the same.

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> On May 20, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I always thought the only difference was the length of hood/fenders/front of 
> body subframe (in front of firewall) to accommodate short or long engines.  
> Kaleb's explanation makes sense.  The R/E myth does not.  IF there was such a 
> thing as a taxi version, it would be denoted in digits 4-6 of the type number 
> (VIN)
> 
> with the prior series, 110 was the short hood and 111 was the long hood, so 
> logic would dictate that the 114 would be short hood and 115 the long hood 
> (and 5 cyl could be either, depending on which type was designed to 
> accommodate it.)   When did the MB marketing bowties ever use logic?
> 
> I've even had people argue with me that there never was a 114, but I know 
> that is wrong because I have seen them.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> May 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM
>> Meh, I guessed. And has anyone ever clearly defined what the difference is? 
>> I can’t recall…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 114/115 was: WOW! Nice 220D W114

[OK Don via Mercedes]

To add to the confusion, the 220D W115 had the short front end. They curved
the radiator support, and angles the front of the fenders forward along
with lengthening the hood and moving the grill forward for the OM617 in the
'74-'75 300D W115. I had both at the same time once - it was easy to see
the difference side-by-side. The front bumper on the 220D was almost
straight, it was a shallow V on the 300D with the center point forward.
Both were W115 chassis. I never saw a W114 to compare the 300D to.

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I always thought the only difference was the length of hood/fenders/front
> of body subframe (in front of firewall) to accommodate short or long
> engines.  Kaleb's explanation makes sense.  The R/E myth does not.  IF
> there was such a thing as a taxi version, it would be denoted in digits 4-6
> of the type number (VIN)
>
> with the prior series, 110 was the short hood and 111 was the long hood,
> so logic would dictate that the 114 would be short hood and 115 the long
> hood (and 5 cyl could be either, depending on which type was designed to
> accommodate it.)   When did the MB marketing bowties ever use logic?
>
> I've even had people argue with me that there never was a 114, but I know
> that is wrong because I have seen them.
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> May 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM
>> Meh, I guessed. And has anyone ever clearly defined what the difference
>> is? I can’t recall…
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>>
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