Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Robert, PLEASE give the bunny new front wheel bearings BEFORE the car goes one direction and the wheel(s) go in another... My father and I were traveling in a '69 Benz (newly purchased) through the desert southwest when the left front wheel bearing let go. It had been making a noise for a hundred miles or so, and we had stopped several times attempting to diagnose (water pump? power steering? transmission?). We were blessed in that no other cars were nearby and the road was straight, sun was shining and the weather was good. Control of the car was momentarily lost but recovered and we safely pulled over. In different circumstances we might easily have crashed. The wheel remained on the spindle _barely_. -Max From: Robert Bigham edward_baldh...@earthlink.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 11:30:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Hello all I'm no wheel bearing expert, but I play one on TV, and I did once stay in a Holiday Inn Express. More on point, I once had an inner front wheel bearing on a Ford pickup disintegrate on the road after making a noise like a rock in hub cap off and on for about a year. I had spent a lot of time and effort trying to find the problem. A friend remarked it was a good thing it disintegrated, since I might never have figured it out. When it went, it took the hub and spindle with it. Right now I'm driving a 1981 VW Rabbit (Diesel, yes) with bad front wheel bearings, especially the right. Makes a lot of noise; roars; sounds like an airplane flying over. I've made two recent 400 mile round trips with it making the noise and an 800 mile trip earlier. Sound better all the time. I have new hubs/struts made up to go on the bunny and hope the bearings don't disintegrate before I'm ready to change them. I once drove a 1964 Ford with a bad rear wheel bearing until the axle slipped in the bearing and the splines pulled out of the spider gear on tnat side. Made a grinding noise. I changed the front wheel bearings in my 123 because I thought they might be bad. My billfold stopped making such a stuffed noise after that. Benz was not much different. Brown grease may be other color grease with added rust. You need both the center cap on the hub and an outer hub cap or wheel cover to keep water out of front wheel bearings. How I know this should be obvious. Whup, whup, whup and variations sounds more like tire to me. If it is, take tire off car and roll it. Separated tire (source of whup, etc) will not roll straight. Tire is dangerous junk if this is the case. CV joints in my experience last forever if their boots survive. If the boots fail, the grease will preserve the joint for a while. New boot gives new life if joint not already kaput. Bad joint is likely to hum at moderate to high speed until it breaks, whereupon it will make a hell of a noise. How I know this should be obvious. Check under car for grease slung out of CV joint boots. As long as grease stays in boots, CV joints are OK. Grease may dry out and become waxy, but I think not in this lifetime. If bearing are bad, races are bad also. Should have a polished appearance not in the least frosted. Likewise rollers in bearings. Bearings/races (cones and cups)that are not perfect equal to new may work entirely well enough to suit most. Good luck Message: 13 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:24:32 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing How hard is it replace race? Mike On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt 5. Re: Another day another wheel bearing (Curt Raymond) 6. Re: Another day another wheel bearing (Peter Frederick) Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Its not that kind of noise though... The noise is back BTW, I was listening to it today, its more of a do,do,do sound. You know the pop for freshness
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Hello all I'm no wheel bearing expert, but I play one on TV, and I did once stay in a Holiday Inn Express. More on point, I once had an inner front wheel bearing on a Ford pickup disintegrate on the road after making a noise like a rock in hub cap off and on for about a year. I had spent a lot of time and effort trying to find the problem. A friend remarked it was a good thing it disintegrated, since I might never have figured it out. When it went, it took the hub and spindle with it. Right now I'm driving a 1981 VW Rabbit (Diesel, yes) with bad front wheel bearings, especially the right. Makes a lot of noise; roars; sounds like an airplane flying over. I've made two recent 400 mile round trips with it making the noise and an 800 mile trip earlier. Sound better all the time. I have new hubs/struts made up to go on the bunny and hope the bearings don't disintegrate before I'm ready to change them. I once drove a 1964 Ford with a bad rear wheel bearing until the axle slipped in the bearing and the splines pulled out of the spider gear on tnat side. Made a grinding noise. I changed the front wheel bearings in my 123 because I thought they might be bad. My billfold stopped making such a stuffed noise after that. Benz was not much different. Brown grease may be other color grease with added rust. You need both the center cap on the hub and an outer hub cap or wheel cover to keep water out of front wheel bearings. How I know this should be obvious. Whup, whup, whup and variations sounds more like tire to me. If it is, take tire off car and roll it. Separated tire (source of whup, etc) will not roll straight. Tire is dangerous junk if this is the case. CV joints in my experience last forever if their boots survive. If the boots fail, the grease will preserve the joint for a while. New boot gives new life if joint not already kaput. Bad joint is likely to hum at moderate to high speed until it breaks, whereupon it will make a hell of a noise. How I know this should be obvious. Check under car for grease slung out of CV joint boots. As long as grease stays in boots, CV joints are OK. Grease may dry out and become waxy, but I think not in this lifetime. If bearing are bad, races are bad also. Should have a polished appearance not in the least frosted. Likewise rollers in bearings. Bearings/races (cones and cups)that are not perfect equal to new may work entirely well enough to suit most. Good luck Message: 13 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:24:32 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing How hard is it replace race? Mike On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt 5. Re: Another day another wheel bearing (Curt Raymond) 6. Re: Another day another wheel bearing (Peter Frederick) Message: 5 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Its not that kind of noise though... The noise is back BTW, I was listening to it today, its more of a do,do,do sound. You know the pop for freshness buttons on glass bottles? Its sort of like somebody popping one of those (like holding the cap in your fingers and pushing with your thumb) over and over rapidly. I can't imagine what it is, absolutely no idea. It seems to be coming from the front right. The only thing I saw that was even moderately not right was that the shock is leaking so its on my list for replacement once I can get to the parts car again once we lose some snow about March or so... -Curt Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:13:40 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing What if you had ice inside the wheel? That would cause a variable imbalance, with possible thumping if the bearing were 10x as loose as it should be. -- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:45:29 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Robert Bigham wrote: CV joints in my experience last forever if their boots survive. Not my experience. I have had at least 3 - maybe 4 - bad axles with intact boots. I also have a couple that I pulled off just as the boot began to leak, so I consider them a good candidate for boot replacement. One of these days --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
I also had a bad axle with an intact boot - on the '92 300D at ~350,000 miles. If you think it's the tire - swap it with the spare and see if there's a difference --- On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Robert Bigham wrote: CV joints in my experience last forever if their boots survive. Not my experience. I have had at least 3 - maybe 4 - bad axles with intact boots. I also have a couple that I pulled off just as the boot began to leak, so I consider them a good candidate for boot replacement. One of these days --Philip -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Nah I don't think its a tire, it'll go away if I push the clutch in and leave it in at least 10 seconds. Also this noise started appearing around the time I replaced the clutch master cylinder. The clutch MC I've got in now has the wrong actuating rod so the clutch releases really high, like in the last 1/8th of the stroke. Rusty confirms newer 240Ds like my '83 use a longer rod (guess where I got this MC from?) and older cars like my '78 (the one with the issue) use a shorter rod. MB has just one MC now but offers a replacement rod. I've got a new MC/rod combo on order and I'll replace when it gets in. -Curt Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:54:49 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: AANLkTinfiBmKa+ourZYQ3OLg_Xs4zK=jiop70w743...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I also had a bad axle with an intact boot - on the '92 300D at ~350,000 miles. If you think it's the tire - swap it with the spare and see if there's a difference --- On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Robert Bigham wrote: CV joints in my experience last forever if their boots survive. Not my experience. I have had at least 3 - maybe 4 - bad axles with intact boots. I also have a couple that I pulled off just as the boot began to leak, so I consider them a good candidate for boot replacement. One of these days -- Philip -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Not typically. If you have a belt coming loose on the tire you will hear it constantly, with the frequency changing relative to the vehicle's speed. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:50 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I was thinking tire too but would tire noise come and go? Early results are good, 20 mile round trip with no noise. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:41:49 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: 99c9af51-366c-487f-9036-cfe63a07c...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Wheel bearings usually make a grinding sound or a whining noise. What you describe sounds more like a bad belt in your tire. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
What if you had ice inside the wheel? That would cause a variable imbalance, with possible thumping if the bearing were 10x as loose as it should be. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
The good way to diagnose a front wheel bearing is that the noise level goes up on a turn. The right front bearing gets more load on a left turn and vice-versa. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:50 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing I was thinking tire too but would tire noise come and go? Early results are good, 20 mile round trip with no noise. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:41:49 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: 99c9af51-366c-487f-9036-cfe63a07c...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wheel bearings usually make a grinding sound or a whining noise. What you describe sounds more like a bad belt in your tire. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Its not that kind of noise though... The noise is back BTW, I was listening to it today, its more of a do,do,do sound. You know the pop for freshness buttons on glass bottles? Its sort of like somebody popping one of those (like holding the cap in your fingers and pushing with your thumb) over and over rapidly. I can't imagine what it is, absolutely no idea. It seems to be coming from the front right. The only thing I saw that was even moderately not right was that the shock is leaking so its on my list for replacement once I can get to the parts car again once we lose some snow about March or so... -Curt Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:13:40 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: 4d458e34.2030...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What if you had ice inside the wheel? That would cause a variable imbalance, with possible thumping if the bearing were 10x as loose as it should be. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Also check the condition of the sway bar bushings. They will thump and rattle as they shrink and allow the bar to move inside them. The brackets can also crack, making all sorts of noises. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brown would be fried grease, likely they were bad. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wheel bearings usually make a grinding sound or a whining noise. What you describe sounds more like a bad belt in your tire. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They can also run loose, allowing the tire to rotate off axis -- sounds just like a bad belt. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a bad cv joint... Or if it's only at speeds 10-15mph, it could be the leading edge of an undercar plastic (sound) panel flapping and slapping the underside of the car... Missing fasteners will cause that. -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 29, 2011, at 15:41, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Wheel bearings usually make a grinding sound or a whining noise. What you describe sounds more like a bad belt in your tire. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How hard is it replace race? Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Doesn't matter, really, unless you can't, in which case it's foolish to install new bearings. The race is shot if the bearings are bad, no question about that. If you have the nice Mercedes tool it's easy, just use a hammer to drive it out. Lacking that, a soft steel punch ground flat across the end works well. you have to sharpen it sometimes part way through the job. Don't try a hardened one, it will just break off. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've always pereferred brass rod or all-thread... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 29, 2011, at 18:30, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn't matter, really, unless you can't, in which case it's foolish to install new bearings. The race is shot if the bearings are bad, no question about that. If you have the nice Mercedes tool it's easy, just use a hammer to drive it out. Lacking that, a soft steel punch ground flat across the end works well. you have to sharpen it sometimes part way through the job. Don't try a hardened one, it will just break off. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a couple of large (1 dia/6 long) brass drifts. They are soft and can be easily re-machined with hand tools for jobs such as this. Save the old races - you can use them to drive the new ones in. Dan --- On Sat, 1/29/11, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:42 PM I've always pereferred brass rod or all-thread... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 29, 2011, at 18:30, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Doesn't matter, really, unless you can't, in which case it's foolish to install new bearings. The race is shot if the bearings are bad, no question about that. If you have the nice Mercedes tool it's easy, just use a hammer to drive it out. Lacking that, a soft steel punch ground flat across the end works well. you have to sharpen it sometimes part way through the job. Don't try a hardened one, it will just break off. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
I was thinking tire too but would tire noise come and go? Early results are good, 20 mile round trip with no noise. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:41:49 -0500 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: 99c9af51-366c-487f-9036-cfe63a07c...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wheel bearings usually make a grinding sound or a whining noise. What you describe sounds more like a bad belt in your tire. Dan Sent from my iPod On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Replacing the race is easy, use the old one to tap the new one in. I like to heat the hub first to help it slip in. Getting the old race out can be a bitch. On my '85 190D I had to run a bead of weld around the inside of the race. When the weld cooled it contracted and the race came out easily. I'm actually finding that the cold weather (it got all the way up to 30 while I was working) a big help in getting the races out. I heat the hub and use a punch to get the race out. This time I managed to SLAM my left index finger with a 3# hammer... It bled but was contained in the rubber glove. -Curt Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:24:32 -0500 From: Mike Esh michael...@me.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing Message-ID: 47bb1ace-99f5-429c-bf49-4cbfbe51d...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII How hard is it replace race? Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Does whup whup whup in time with the car's speed sound like a wheel bearing? I thought it might and as my wife and I both pointed to the right front of the car as the source of the sound I figured I'd give it a shot. This is on my '78 240D. The bearings looked merely okay and as they had both MB green grease and some brown (does MB green grease degrade into brown?) and as I'd already bought the bearings (Car Quest, $39 for the bearings AND the seal and they had them in stock last night) I figured I might as well get to it. I'm getting better at this, the bearing plus an oil change took just on 2 hours. Gotta take the dog for a walk, then I'll be able to see if the noise is gone, won't know definitively for a day or two though, the noise would come and go. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sheesh - you sound like me. My wife claims that I make blood sacrifices to the cars on a regular basis. It doesn't hurt as much in the cold - till your hand warms up inside. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: This time I managed to SLAM my left index finger with a 3# hammer... It bled but was contained in the rubber glove. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:54:25 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: This time I managed to SLAM my left index finger with a 3# hammer... It bled but was contained in the rubber glove. OCHHH!! Glad you were successful changing bearings, though. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another day another wheel bearing
Reminds me of an old horror radio broadcast show, not sure if it was the mystery theater one with the creaking door, or one of the others. There was one episode with a clock that gave the owner an extra hour of time where everyone else was frozen, but needed a blood sacrifice to wind itself. Catch was it drank the person who sacrificed dry. Walt, who misses listening to those old reruns... On Jan 29, 2011 10:25 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Sheesh - you sound like me. My wife claims that I make blood sacrifices to the cars on a regular basis. It doesn't hurt as much in the cold - till your hand warms up inside. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: This time I managed to SLAM my left index finger with a 3# hammer... It bled but was contained in the rubber glove. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
