Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
Ernest, I like your conclusions. I had similar symptoms when I first got my 190D this time last year. It'd start and run but had no get up and go until the engine had warmed the fuel for awhile. I bought the car in New Jersey in mid-December, it had been sitting for a few weeks. I think it had a tank of summer fuel in it. Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision, otherwise, add anti-gell and hope. Once I'd run about 1/4 tank of good winter fuel through it (oh and a couple cans of purge) it was fine. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi! did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of the observations for the benefit of any/all. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec 22 15:48:29 2006 Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.65]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GxmdI-EI-Vv for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:48:29 + Received: from dialup-4.224.66.195.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.66.195]) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GxmaI-0002Rx-00 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:45:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:34:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D pics X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:48:29 - I had a similar experience with Percocets a couple years back. I had a kidney stone (avoid these, they are not worth the trouble!) and the doctor gave me some for pain. The dispenser at the drug store asked me if I took painkillers or narcotics of any kind, and I of course said no, why do you ask? He replied that I probably need to be in bed when I took the Percocets, then. I had an episode at 5 am, finally gave in a took two at 5:30. Within a minute I was comatose, woke up at 9:30 but couldn't focus both eyes at the same time in the same place, and finally managed to get to the phone at 10:00 and call in. For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would call abusing these things recreational. Suicidal the slow way is more like it, who wants to be incapacitated? Peter
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision, Even the old ones do, sort of. The fuel in the return line is warmed by its trip through the engine bits. A little. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
What was the cold temp? On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:51:57 -0600, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi! did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of the observations for the benefit of any/all. firstly, Helga is an '85 300D with almost 160K miles, and has been using almost exclusively commercially purchased BioD for ~3 years/40K miles. the fuel is commercially produced from recycled oil stock (i believe the current stock was used for frying potato chips, but i may be mistaken.) on a recent trip to the Sierra, i decided to try straight B99/100 purchased from our favorite local supplier, just to see how the vehicle would react to the low temps since i had the luxury of convenient support should i need it. after sitting for a few days with temps near freezing, it started up perfectly; a single Glow cycle resulted in an immediate smoke-free start and a smooth idle, as is normal for this car. power, however, was lower than it usually is when cold as i started up the hill out the driveway, to the extent i found i had the accelerator floored just to keep it moving. out of curiosity, i tried revving it in Neutral, and found i could only get about 2K RPM on it maximum! even after coolant temp had reached normal indicated range (80C+), Max RPMs were still only about 2K RPM for about the first 10-15 minutes of use; fortunately, this was enough to suit the needs in the small town we were in. it wasn't until we'd gotten several miles farther down the road that it rev'd freely as normal. my theory is that although the fuel had not gelled completely, it had gelled enough that there was enough occlusion in the fuel system that it wouldn't allow full fuel flow until things had warmed up. were i to head into the same conditions again, i'll probably top off with #2 Dino before stopping, just to try to lower the Gel Point of the fuel a bit. fortunately my wife tends to have a bit of an adventurous nature, or this could have been much less fun! (the dog napped serenely in the rear seat the entire time, knowing nothing of the fun we were having; only that we were going home,...) cheers! e Berkeley ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800 From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point You should post this to the Biodiesel list Ernest... Tim 1982 300TD (still for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic
