Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, at 14:52, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:08:54 -0500 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > >> A shop-vac will provide more than enough vacuum to do the job. > > Yes. > > And if you use a plastic container the warm oil will soften it ... That's a big shop-vac. But yes, that will definitely happen. Years ago I had a little oil drain tray that had threaded flanges for standard two-liter soda bottles. Seemed like a neat idea, drain the oil neatly into the bottles for disposal, but if you drained the oil when it was hot (as one should) the soda bottles would just shrivel up like raisins. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
> AC pump will work, but it's low volume (slow) and high power (anything > less substantial than a BBQ propane tank and the pump can suck it flat > if there's a blockage). You don't need a high vacuum to extract oil. Just need the pressure in the tank to be lower than ambient air pressure. If you use a real vacuum pump you might want to include some sort of regulator that will limit the vacuum so your container doesn't collapse. A shop-vac will provide more than enough vacuum to do the job. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
On 2024-01-19 13:57, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: Is a vacuum pump (marketed for AC use) substantial enough? I have one of those already and it might sway me to do a DIY one to start with. AC pump will work, but it's low volume (slow) and high power (anything less substantial than a BBQ propane tank and the pump can suck it flat if there's a blockage). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
> Is a vacuum pump (marketed for AC use) substantial enough? I have one of > those already and it might sway me to do a DIY one to start with. I had always thought it should, but I don't know. Be the first to find out! Make sure your chosen reservoir can survive a substantial vacuum. My first one did not. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
Is a vacuum pump (marketed for AC use) substantial enough? I have one of those already and it might sway me to do a DIY one to start with. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2024, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I will say that in deference to you and Floyd, it would be simple to > construct a DIY solution, I just preferred to have a turnkey solution, that’s > all. But I totally understand the do-it-yourself approach and highly approve! > > -D > >> On Jan 19, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I already had an industrial pressure/vacuum pump combo, meant to operate >> pneumatic >> medical machinery. I combined it with a metal kerosene can, round and with >> a domed >> bottom so it doesn't collapse under vacuum. That and a few fittings and >> some tubing, >> and the usual shop air hose, and I'm set. >> >> I suspect that I could easily use my AC vacuum pump instead, but I already >> had >> the other thing, and it's a higher-volume pump. (And not as strong.) >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
I will say that in deference to you and Floyd, it would be simple to construct a DIY solution, I just preferred to have a turnkey solution, that’s all. But I totally understand the do-it-yourself approach and highly approve! -D > On Jan 19, 2024, at 1:26 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > I already had an industrial pressure/vacuum pump combo, meant to operate > pneumatic > medical machinery. I combined it with a metal kerosene can, round and with a > domed > bottom so it doesn't collapse under vacuum. That and a few fittings and some > tubing, > and the usual shop air hose, and I'm set. > > I suspect that I could easily use my AC vacuum pump instead, but I already had > the other thing, and it's a higher-volume pump. (And not as strong.) > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
I already had an industrial pressure/vacuum pump combo, meant to operate pneumatic medical machinery. I combined it with a metal kerosene can, round and with a domed bottom so it doesn't collapse under vacuum. That and a few fittings and some tubing, and the usual shop air hose, and I'm set. I suspect that I could easily use my AC vacuum pump instead, but I already had the other thing, and it's a higher-volume pump. (And not as strong.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
The decent choices are not cheap, but if you go cheap you’ll be disappointed. Cheap (<$100): Topsider. The classic vacuum pump oil sucker, it’s bulky and kludgy to use, but simple. The crimped seams tend to leak if you store the oil in it for very long. Mid-priced (~$100): MityVac and Chinese knockoffs. Commonly used, works fine, but not substantial in that it has a lot of plastic parts and isn’t terribly heavy duty. Expensive ($150-up): Harbor Freight has a good, solidly-built oil extractor. You can go up the scale to a John Dow brand extractor, too, if you want additional features. I have owned and used all of these over the years except for the MityVac. I currently have two of the Harbor Freight extractors, which, in my experience, have been the best. Yes, they’re not cheap, but they’re pretty indestructible and they hold six gallons of fluid, which is also nice. If there was a negative for this one, it would be the size and having to use another means to transport the waste oil. However, there’s no reason why you couldn’t transport the whole thing if you wanted. That, and with the others I transported the oil in alternate containers anyway. The MityVac seems nice, but I’ve heard a lot of complaint from people about it being flimsy along with issues with the line fittings sealing well. I bought my first oil extractor (Topsider) in 1988. I’ve migrated to the HF model after all those years of trying to find the best solution. -D > On Jan 18, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah….I always forget about the suckers. > I suppose I’ll get one. I’m kinda tired of climbing under cars anyway. > I’m sure we have beat this horse, but who has their favorites? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> No thanks. You are introducing a potential failure point. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 18, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> This thing? I've heard they work well. I've never tried one. >>> >>> https://www.fumotousa.com/cars-pickups-mercedes-benz-2004-ml350-3-7l-v6 >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: January 18, 2024 5:28 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: azbob...@gmail.com >>> Subject: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163 >>> >>> Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been >>> changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. >>> As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great >>> that the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long >>> story short, I was right. >>> I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot >>> installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice >>> jetting out onto stuff. >>> Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this >>> application? >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
I use a topside oil sucker from Harbor Freight. Will never go back to draining oil from the bottom, unless the pan geometry requires it. On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 18:27, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently > been changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a > baseline. > As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were > great that the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and > stuff. Long story short, I was right. > I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot > installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward > vice jetting out onto stuff. > Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in > this application? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
I have a refrigerant tank with a barb fitting to which the sucker hose attaches, and a hole drilled in it that a 1.25” (?) vac hose goes in and fits tightly. At the time I made the original using a plastic gas can the barb and hose was $2, now maybe $5. Get the oil warm, stick the sucker hose in the dipstick tube (assuming it has one, get a hose that fits tightly), stick the vac hose in the hole, turn on vac, go have a beer or two. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jan 18, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah….I always forget about the suckers. > I suppose I’ll get one. I’m kinda tired of climbing under cars anyway. > I’m sure we have beat this horse, but who has their favorites? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> No thanks. You are introducing a potential failure point. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 18, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> This thing? I've heard they work well. I've never tried one. >>> >>> https://www.fumotousa.com/cars-pickups-mercedes-benz-2004-ml350-3-7l-v6 >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Sent: January 18, 2024 5:28 PM >>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Cc: azbob...@gmail.com >>> Subject: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163 >>> >>> Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been >>> changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. >>> As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great >>> that the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long >>> story short, I was right. >>> I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot >>> installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice >>> jetting out onto stuff. >>> Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this >>> application? >>> >>> AZBob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
Yeah….I always forget about the suckers. I suppose I’ll get one. I’m kinda tired of climbing under cars anyway. I’m sure we have beat this horse, but who has their favorites? AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > No thanks. You are introducing a potential failure point. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 18, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> This thing? I've heard they work well. I've never tried one. >> >> https://www.fumotousa.com/cars-pickups-mercedes-benz-2004-ml350-3-7l-v6 >> >> >> Rick >> >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Sent: January 18, 2024 5:28 PM >> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Cc: azbob...@gmail.com >> Subject: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163 >> >> Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been >> changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. >> As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great >> that the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long >> story short, I was right. >> I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot >> installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice >> jetting out onto stuff. >> Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this >> application? >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
No thanks. You are introducing a potential failure point. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > This thing? I've heard they work well. I've never tried one. > > https://www.fumotousa.com/cars-pickups-mercedes-benz-2004-ml350-3-7l-v6 > > > Rick > > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: January 18, 2024 5:28 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: azbob...@gmail.com > Subject: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163 > > Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been > changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. > As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great that > the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long story > short, I was right. > I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot > installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice > jetting out onto stuff. > Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this > application? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
This thing? I've heard they work well. I've never tried one. https://www.fumotousa.com/cars-pickups-mercedes-benz-2004-ml350-3-7l-v6 Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: January 18, 2024 5:28 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: azbob...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163 Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great that the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long story short, I was right. I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice jetting out onto stuff. Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this application? AZBob Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Changing Oil on My W163
Go to HF or Amazon and buying a sucker to suck it out the dipstick. Much much easier. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2024, at 5:28 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Even though the seller said on purchase day that the oil had recently been > changed, I figured I’d change it, post long trip, and I’d have a baseline. > As I looked at the drain plug orientation I saw that the odds were great that > the oil would drain out and get on front end parts and stuff. Long story > short, I was right. > I know on my Dodge my dad had a quarter turn lockable handled spigot > installed (instead of the drain plug) that directed the oil downward vice > jetting out onto stuff. > Is there a know lockable handle spigot thingie that anyone has used in this > application? > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
