Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
Royce Engler wrote: It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle (truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans demanded that they sell it over here. They couldn't keep up with demand for the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different body... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K No, it was a concept car before it went into production. I remember seeing it on a turntable at the Chicago Auto Show. Russ Maki
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it. Makes no sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines. In fact, I think its about time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams. Peter Frederick wrote: The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg -- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one. What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605? Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
AH, that explains it, I was wondering because Consumer Reports talked about how that engine in real world conditions got 50% less MPG than EPA numbers. I couldn't understand if it was a CDI MB engine why the numbers could be so skewed/wrong/ deceitful. Lets see VM Motori, which is owned in part by Detroit Diesel, a DaimlerChrysler company, is the manufacturer of the engine. The engine produces 160 horsepower and gets an estimated fuel economy of 22 miles city and 27 miles highway. On 13-Sep-05, at 5:53 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: The new Liberty diesel is, you guessed it, a Detroit 16:1 four banger with a monster turbocharger, shakes like crazy, rattles like it has ball bearings loose in the combustion chambers, and gets all of 21 mpg -- a recipe for lack of sales if I ever saw one. What happened to the five cylinder turbo 605? Peter ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
You can have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
Hmmm - wonder if I could buy the engine and have it shipped over for my Grand Voyager? The original 3.3 engine uses more oil (Mobil 1 since new) and has needed more repairs than any of my Benzs (SLC excluded) from '97 to date. On 9/13/05, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class. Jeff Zedic Toronto -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
HELL NO. The damn MB engines are made by Detroit. Cummins makes a MUCH better product. MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land. On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:01:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it. Makes no sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines. In fact, I think its about time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
It's Mother Russia - Germany is the Vaterland (Father Land). CM --- Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HELL NO. The damn MB engines are made by Detroit. Cummins makes a MUCH better product. MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land. On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:01:11 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea, I thought they were supposed to put a MB engine in it. Makes no sense sincemb had plenty of diesel engines. In fact, I think its about time to start putting MB truck engines in the rams. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle (truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans demanded that they sell it over here. They couldn't keep up with demand for the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different body... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:10 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market You can have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
i really dug the pt cruiser. one of the cars i'd look it if i ever had an inclination to buy a new car i still rent them every now and again when i go somewhere At 01:58 PM 9/14/2005, you wrote: It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle (truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans demanded that they sell it over here. They couldn't keep up with demand for the first couple of yearsOTOH, it is just a Neon with a different body... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:10 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market You can have a PT Cruiser, Dodge Grand Voyager or Cheap Cherokee all with diesel in Europe...I think the 2.7 CDI from the M Class. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was my understanding that DC built the PT Cruiser as a delivery vehicle (truck) in the European market, showed it at an auto show and the Americans demanded that they sell it over here. Hmmm, no, I don't see that from two angles: one, I think the PT was either a done deal, or at least in late stages of conception, when DC came to be. Second, I don't see it as a european design as it does not 'hark back' to anything european that I can think of except maybe the Volvo Express delivery wagons, and even Volvo no longer bothers making those versions in its new cars. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
JabbaHursty wrote: i really dug the pt cruiser. one of the cars i'd look it if i ever had an inclination to buy a new car I have no inclination to buy a small 4 cyl car that gets no better mpg than my 3.8L Taurus.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
I doubt it was designed for Europe as the looks are just too US for them. Too vanillaI know for one that Jeremy Clarkson absolutely hates them and says so on his tv show and in his columns. This is actually a breath of fresh air as so many reviews are too mamby pamby about calling a POS a POS! Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too vanillaI know for one that Jeremy Clarkson absolutely hates them and says so on his tv show and in his columns. Oh, yeah, by strange coincidence he seems to find British cars to be fine an inordinate amount of the time. And he whinges on about diesels ad nauseum. I can't stand him. Just another puffed up drunken half-rate limey scribbler. Mac
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
Yes, he really pisses me off with his racing against public transport. He takes a Ferrari 612 Scaglietti and drives to Switzerland while his compatriots take the train.oh, and he arrives at the same time as them all fresh as a daisy! YEAH RIGHT!! Oh, and how much did the fuel cost to run the Ferrari Jeremy?? No answer..He needs a good beating! He just got rid of his Ford GT because the alarm didn't work Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
He actually liked the diesel engine in the Jeep he reviewed this weekend. It was a V6 MB engine..it was the only thing he liked. It is nice to see someone have anopinion these days though.. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 11:58:46PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: HELL NO. The damn MB engines are made by Detroit. Cummins makes a MUCH better product. MB makes a (well, this is questionable) kick ass car engine, but that's what's made in the Mother Land. Does anyone know how the MB engines in the commercial trucks have been fairing? I'm curious if they hold their own to what else is out there, or if they're just rebadged detroits in disguise (for whatever that's worth). K
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel engine!! Wish we could get that here!! Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel engine!! LoL, would you buy one anyway? Just wait until it arrives. The automotive writers will start whinging on about this and that. Look at the coverage that Italian diesel in the Liberty is getting. Consumer Reports does not think it's fast enough. Since when are the propeller-heads at CR experts on diesel performance? I really wonder sometimes if Toyota did not pay for their HQ building on the qt, as only Toyota can apparently make cars they praise!~ Mac
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
I just like the idea that the morons at Chrylser can get it right but always somewhere else There's ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE I would ever buy an american vehicle. I spent 2 years at a dealership that used to be Jeep and was now a Toyota. Our cars came in for oil changes, mufflers and brakes, their's came in for u-joints, power steering pumps, igniters, wheel bearings, brakes, on and on and on... and the stupid owners were happy to get out for less than $2500!!! hahahaha idiots. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] Daimler Chrysler diesel hybrid prediction for US market
the jeep boys (buyers not sellers) like the 4 banger and are slobbering all over themselves to get the larger engine models. At least this is according to BiL who goes rock crawling in the silly things On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 07:27 AM, Steve MacSween wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Jeremy Clarkson of the Times Of London, the best thing about the new Jeep *shudder* Grand Cherokee is the Mercedes V6 Diesel engine!! LoL, would you buy one anyway? Just wait until it arrives. The automotive writers will start whinging on about this and that. Look at the coverage that Italian diesel in the Liberty is getting. Consumer Reports does not think it's fast enough. Since when are the propeller-heads at CR experts on diesel performance? I really wonder sometimes if Toyota did not pay for their HQ building on the qt, as only Toyota can apparently make cars they praise!~ Mac ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
