Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
So just keep your points setup and reinstall if the Pertronix setup fails. Points require effort on the regular. You WILL have to adjust points. This is worse on an engine that sits around a lot. You MIGHT have to replace a hall effect sensor on a Pertronix unit... -Curt On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 03:28:34 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I follow a boating forum as well and folks on that forum rave about how great the Pertronix setups are on old MerCruiser engines. They start faster etc. BUT some folks have also noted that they sometimes just die and leave them dead in the water. Not a quick fix if you have to order a new unit. Points will more likely give you some warning that trouble is brewing (like hard starting) and sometimes can be resurrected, at least temporarily by filing or resetting. Randy On 15/12/2023 12:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:47:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I put a Pertronix kit into my 1952 Farmall Super M and it's been >> flawless. > I looked on their website (https://pertronixbrands.com/) and found many > offerings, but none specifically for tractors. > > Which one did you use? Was it a capacitor-discharge system? > > >> I need to find a real 12v coil that I can use to replace the 6v unit so >> I can get rid of the resistor pack. > Pertronix has coils on their website, but they seem to be geared toward > their capacitor-discharge ignition systems. > > > Thanks, > > > Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
I follow a boating forum as well and folks on that forum rave about how great the Pertronix setups are on old MerCruiser engines. They start faster etc. BUT some folks have also noted that they sometimes just die and leave them dead in the water. Not a quick fix if you have to order a new unit. Points will more likely give you some warning that trouble is brewing (like hard starting) and sometimes can be resurrected, at least temporarily by filing or resetting. Randy On 15/12/2023 12:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:47:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I put a Pertronix kit into my 1952 Farmall Super M and it's been flawless. I looked on their website (https://pertronixbrands.com/) and found many offerings, but none specifically for tractors. Which one did you use? Was it a capacitor-discharge system? I need to find a real 12v coil that I can use to replace the 6v unit so I can get rid of the resistor pack. Pertronix has coils on their website, but they seem to be geared toward their capacitor-discharge ignition systems. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AFAIK ours is an "Ignitor" system https://www.steinertractor.com/EIGN05-Electronic-Ignition-Kit-IH?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=PMax%3A%20%28ROI%29%20Smart%20Shopping%20-%20High%20Margin%20-%20High%20CTR_id=17561055353_content=_term==|pcrid||pkw||pmt||slid||pdv|c|product|EIGN05|pgrid||cpgnid|17561055353|ptaid||adtext||_source=1=Cj0KCQiAj_CrBhD-ARIsAIiMxT_zRyNADjaAueTvai6EpwD5SymOTh8Y-pEnDkhviUyIKzzBYTH-bLEaApwrEALw_wcB I suspect a Flamethrower coil is what I want, the difficulty is in knowing which resistance to get. Some time ago I sent an email to Pertronix, they said to call them. I've never bothered. Its one of those things, some day I'll get the resistor pack caught on a tree branch and rip it off, then I'll replace the coil we have with a 12v version removing the need for the resistor... -Curt On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 01:59:24 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:47:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I put a Pertronix kit into my 1952 Farmall Super M and it's been > flawless. I looked on their website (https://pertronixbrands.com/) and found many offerings, but none specifically for tractors. Which one did you use? Was it a capacitor-discharge system? > I need to find a real 12v coil that I can use to replace the 6v unit so > I can get rid of the resistor pack. Pertronix has coils on their website, but they seem to be geared toward their capacitor-discharge ignition systems. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:47:39 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I put a Pertronix kit into my 1952 Farmall Super M and it's been > flawless. I looked on their website (https://pertronixbrands.com/) and found many offerings, but none specifically for tractors. Which one did you use? Was it a capacitor-discharge system? > I need to find a real 12v coil that I can use to replace the 6v unit so > I can get rid of the resistor pack. Pertronix has coils on their website, but they seem to be geared toward their capacitor-discharge ignition systems. Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Relatively reliable up until you leave the ignition on and not at all reliable if the bushing in the distributor wears at all. I put a Pertronix kit into my 1952 Farmall Super M and it's been flawless. The tractor started right up and has run perfectly from day 1. The only problem I've had with it has been the disconcerting ability of a nut on the 12v to 6v resistor to loosen itself. So you're driving along and all of a sudden the tractor shuts right off. This happened even after I use locktite on the nut. I need to find a real 12v coil that I can use to replace the 6v unit so I can get rid of the resistor pack. -Curt On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 11:34:39 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Points and condenser are pretty reliable. Randy On 14/12/2023 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > These days there are lots of options for throttle body injection. If I > weren't concerned about originality thats the way I'd go. > > I've been trying to resist buying an early 1950s Chevy dump truck. If I do > buy it it'll definitely get a Pertronix electronic ignition. If the carb gave > any trouble I'd think hard about fuel injection. Not inexpensive but would > improve drivability while reducing maintenance... > > -Curt > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Points and condenser are pretty reliable. Randy On 14/12/2023 9:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: These days there are lots of options for throttle body injection. If I weren't concerned about originality thats the way I'd go. I've been trying to resist buying an early 1950s Chevy dump truck. If I do buy it it'll definitely get a Pertronix electronic ignition. If the carb gave any trouble I'd think hard about fuel injection. Not inexpensive but would improve drivability while reducing maintenance... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had a coworker who did one of the Holley throttle body conversions on an old Ford truck. It was about 4-5 years ago, so I’m sure things have been improved as they went along, but in his case, it was pretty easy, according to him. I know he had to add some sensors or signals for the unit, but that was easy, too. Then it was a matter of tuning it, which I don’t recall what that involved, but I do know it ran pretty well out of the box with a generic configuration. I think it set him back around $1000 and change. For whatever reason the engine he had was marinized (water-cooled exhaust manifolds) and it was unique as far as the fuel system, so he wasn’t able to find the correct carb for it. Rather than kludge something, he went with the Holley conversion. -D > On Dec 14, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > These days there are lots of options for throttle body injection. If I > weren't concerned about originality thats the way I'd go. > > I've been trying to resist buying an early 1950s Chevy dump truck. If I do > buy it it'll definitely get a Pertronix electronic ignition. If the carb gave > any trouble I'd think hard about fuel injection. Not inexpensive but would > improve drivability while reducing maintenance... > > -Curt > > > On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:53:30 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 21:57, Craig via Mercedes wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 00:48:39 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" >> wrote: >> >>> I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for >>> me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. >> >> Is it possible to change to a different carburetor? > > I believe you can swap in a Weber, if you're not concerned about originality. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
These days there are lots of options for throttle body injection. If I weren't concerned about originality thats the way I'd go. I've been trying to resist buying an early 1950s Chevy dump truck. If I do buy it it'll definitely get a Pertronix electronic ignition. If the carb gave any trouble I'd think hard about fuel injection. Not inexpensive but would improve drivability while reducing maintenance... -Curt On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:53:30 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 21:57, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 00:48:39 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for >> me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. > > Is it possible to change to a different carburetor? I believe you can swap in a Weber, if you're not concerned about originality. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 21:57, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 00:48:39 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for >> me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. > > Is it possible to change to a different carburetor? I believe you can swap in a Weber, if you're not concerned about originality. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It depends. There was a company (“something Engineering”) in CA that made retrofit kits for some Solex 4A1 applications using a Holley 5200, which was a two-barrel progressive carb that was used by Ford and other companies in that same time frame. I did a Holley 5200 conversion on an M130 that had a Solex 4A1. It was nearly a direct bolt-up in that case, as I expect it would be in the case of the M110. The only issue you would have to deal with would be the linkage. On the M130 it nearly matched up perfectly with the factory linkage. I think I had to get a different length rod for the linkage that had the ball sockets on each end, otherwise, that was it. The curve for the carburetor and its progressive linkage didn’t match the engine perfectly, but it worked. I thought it ran better, but in fairness to the Solex, I was driving the car with it in some of the worst shape it could be in. -D > On Dec 13, 2023, at 9:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 00:48:39 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" > wrote: > >> I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for >> me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. > > Is it possible to change to a different carburetor? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 00:48:39 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes" wrote: > I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for > me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. Is it possible to change to a different carburetor? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, they are. However, I was never a fan of the M110, which was a bit unfair as I never owned one. I just heard complaints about top end problems, like valves and valve guides, that sort of stuff. That and I recall one I looked at was normally aspirated, that is, it had a Solex 4A1 carb, which is a major league kiss of death. If there was a carb in the MB product line that deserved derision, this is the one. Zeniths were absolutely wonderful compared to the Solex. I’ve owned one car with a Solex 4A1, and that was enough experience for me to understand that I would never, ever, own a car with one again. -D > On Dec 13, 2023, at 7:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Those are period correct. > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:53 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Are those OE foglights? They look like add-ons. >> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 13:23, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >>> gorgeous styling >>> >>> --FT >>> >>> On 12/13/23 12:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >> https://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/d/modesto-1975-mercedes-280c/7695931114.html Sehr viele ask, but tidy none the less. AZBob Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> -- >>> --FT >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those are period correct. On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 3:53 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Are those OE foglights? They look like add-ons. > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 13:23, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > > gorgeous styling > > > > --FT > > > > On 12/13/23 12:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > >> > https://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/d/modesto-1975-mercedes-280c/7695931114.html > >> > >> Sehr viele ask, but tidy none the less. > >> > >> AZBob > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > -- > > --FT > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
Are those OE foglights? They look like add-ons. On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 13:23, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > gorgeous styling > > --FT > > On 12/13/23 12:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: >> https://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/d/modesto-1975-mercedes-280c/7695931114.html >> >> Sehr viele ask, but tidy none the less. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPad >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Don’t See These Too Often
gorgeous styling --FT On 12/13/23 12:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: https://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/d/modesto-1975-mercedes-280c/7695931114.html Sehr viele ask, but tidy none the less. AZBob Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
