Re: [MBZ] How about this
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:56:30 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: > Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? Didn't you say you had run the calculators at the two websites and one told you 20 kW and the other 22 kW? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single phase ratings due to losses. Not losses, as such, just an inability to harness all the available energy when using only one phase to load it. Essentially you combine two windings into one, losing the 1/3 that way. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Remember Cathey's all electric house, complete with resistance heat? He got that big Hercules so that he could heat with the generator, and then found out it cost a fortune in propane to run the generator with the heat on. Never hooked it up all the way, can only get maybe 30A out of it as cabled. (45kW, good for about 26kW wired zig-zag single-phase.) Herc takes 3gal/hr, at light loads. Have only run it when we want hot water. Woodstoves do for heat, no problem. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? It needs to start the heat pump with a few other loads going, unless you plan on running it part time. If you only run it when needed, you can start the generator, start the heat pump, let the well pump refill the tank, then turn on some lights and refrigerator/freezer...then shut it all down when the heat pump catches up. My parents don't have any HVAC compressors, but they have an electric range. One burner would bring their old 11hp Coleman to its knees. All power failure cooking there is limited to microwave, coffee pot, and gas grill. They have a 7kW Generac now and I have their 1985 vintage Coleman, which runs my water heater at 7/8 throttle but with voltage and hz a bit low. I can run everything but the water heater and heat pump with the Coleman at light throttle (I never tried to run the heat pump on home generated power, the propane furnace is cheaper to run). Remember Cathey's all electric house, complete with resistance heat? He got that big Hercules so that he could heat with the generator, and then found out it cost a fortune in propane to run the generator with the heat on. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Maybe I missed it but what size should I need to run the whole house? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Planning on powering the whole neighborhood? You’ll need a BIG air > compressor, too, as that big black hose on the right is an air line for the > starter (air starter). No air or large storage tank full of air and no > start. Unusual for a unit of this size. > > The problem you will run into with the larger commercial stuff is finding a > unit that can be reconnected to 120/240 V single phase. Most 12 lead > generators can be, but they lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single > phase ratings due to losses. > > That’s not a bad thing, but if you buy a three phase 15kW unit, you’ll only > end up with maybe 10kW when you reconnect it for single phase operation. > > If you’re patient you should be able to find a decent gas unit below 50kW for > under $5k, or even less depending on size. Again, a lot of these are > take-outs from municipalities that are upgrading or renovating. They will > have been well maintained and have low (under 500) hours on them depending on > the age. And old isn’t bad here - think about a 240D versus a W140. > Controls and other bits are much simpler and easier to repair/replace. > > Dan > > >> On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Diesel Generator >> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html >> >> via cPro Craigslist App >> iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS >> Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Hahaha, this was a joke btw Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Diesel Generator >> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html > > I don't know, it's only 0.2 MW. > > Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Go big or go home... as the saying goes... Perfect size to run a circus midway... should only cost you about 6 to 10 gallons of fuel per hour at full load... Picking the right size generator requires taking a serious look at your actual electrical usage and needs, then work backwards to select a generator that fills those needs with some room for growth.. My pick was diesel simply because diesel will store for longer period without becoming unusable. 3 months storage and gas will be quite stale and you will have running / starting problems.. Also a water cooled diesel, running at 1800 RPM will last much longer, be less irritating to have in the background, and if the bottom drops out of fuel supply, it will run on vegetable oil, or even used engine oil, worst case.. I have two.. one 7.5 KW and one 10 KW.. both diesel.. It's what worked for me. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Diesel Generator > http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html > > via cPro Craigslist App > iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS > Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Planning on powering the whole neighborhood? You’ll need a BIG air compressor, too, as that big black hose on the right is an air line for the starter (air starter). No air or large storage tank full of air and no start. Unusual for a unit of this size. The problem you will run into with the larger commercial stuff is finding a unit that can be reconnected to 120/240 V single phase. Most 12 lead generators can be, but they lose roughly 1/3 of their rated output at single phase ratings due to losses. That’s not a bad thing, but if you buy a three phase 15kW unit, you’ll only end up with maybe 10kW when you reconnect it for single phase operation. If you’re patient you should be able to find a decent gas unit below 50kW for under $5k, or even less depending on size. Again, a lot of these are take-outs from municipalities that are upgrading or renovating. They will have been well maintained and have low (under 500) hours on them depending on the age. And old isn’t bad here - think about a 240D versus a W140. Controls and other bits are much simpler and easier to repair/replace. Dan > On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Diesel Generator > http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html > > via cPro Craigslist App > iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS > Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] How about this
Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Diesel Generator http://tulsa.craigslist.org/hvo/4726486027.html I don't know, it's only 0.2 MW. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
