Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Rusty Cullens]

No. It will last years.

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Apco, so thats it, I never heard of that brand before, is this a cheap 
chineese compressor that is going to blow up on me in a few months?


Rusty Cullens wrote:

It wasn't Four Seasons it was APCO Air and was probably poorly installed.

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Mitch Haley]

Benz Hogs wrote:

Mitch, how do you add a filter into MB's a/c system?


They sell universal filters that go into the rubber hose, sometimes the parts 
store can crimp the fittings, sometimes you need to go to a hydraulic shop.


For instance, here's one for the suction line on a Corolla running R12:
http://images.wrenchead.com/smartpages/partinfo_resize/DUS/15-1703.jpg

When I searched ACDelco.com for a W116, I came up empty.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

i presume he just meant the receiver drier, but i'd be curious too about
such a plan

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> Mitch, how do you add a filter into MB's a/c system?
>
> Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
>
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>>> due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
>>> apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.
>>>
>>> the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they
>>> blow
>>> up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
>>> some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new
>>> compressor
>>> and destroy it.
>>>
>>
>> There's no such thing as 'totally flushed out'. Needs a filter added to
>> the system if you expect to get several years out of the new compressor.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Benz Hogs]

Mitch, how do you add a filter into MB's a/c system?

Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
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Mitch Haley wrote:

Gary Hurst wrote:

due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.

the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they 
blow
up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed 
out,
some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new 
compressor

and destroy it.


There's no such thing as 'totally flushed out'. Needs a filter added 
to the system if you expect to get several years out of the new 
compressor.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Mountain Man]

Kaleb wrote:
> Yes, the only reason I  have a mailing list is because I am stupid and I
> like to slander people.  I think I should start slandering sexton next.

Okay - I join in the confession too.
I read and participate in banned because I like to slander people and
because I am stoopid.
There, now all I have is 10 steps, eh?
Confession, then 10 steps? - or sumthing like that.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> Apco, so thats it, I never heard of that brand before, is this a cheap
> chineese compressor that is going to blow up on me in a few months?

No they are made in Michigan.  Flint I think, must be one of the last
business still operating there.

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have heard opinions both ways on that, some say add them, others say 
adding them will shorten compressor life because they get plugged up


Mitch Haley wrote:

Gary Hurst wrote:

due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.

the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they 
blow
up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed 
out,
some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new 
compressor

and destroy it.


There's no such thing as 'totally flushed out'. Needs a filter added 
to the system if you expect to get several years out of the new 
compressor.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

that's part of the problem though, that even with a new receiver drier, r4s
tend to go up in smoke due to contamination all the time

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
>> apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.
>>
>> the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they blow
>> up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
>> some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new
>> compressor
>> and destroy it.
>>
>
> There's no such thing as 'totally flushed out'. Needs a filter added to the
> system if you expect to get several years out of the new compressor.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Mitch Haley]

Gary Hurst wrote:

due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.

the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they blow
up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new compressor
and destroy it.


There's no such thing as 'totally flushed out'. Needs a filter added to the 
system if you expect to get several years out of the new compressor.


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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

when are you going to take that step?

Gary Hurst wrote:

admitting your problem is the first step to getting better.  i am proud of
you, kleb!


  


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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

admitting your problem is the first step to getting better.  i am proud of
you, kleb!


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Yes, the only reason I  have a mailing list is because I am stupid and I
> like to slander people.  I think I should start slandering sexton next.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> all you do is slander people.  this is your key reason for having a
>> mailing
>> list.
>>
>>
>
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> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes, the only reason I  have a mailing list is because I am stupid and I 
like to slander people.  I think I should start slandering sexton next.


Gary Hurst wrote:

all you do is slander people.  this is your key reason for having a mailing
list.
  


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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

all you do is slander people.  this is your key reason for having a mailing
list.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I prefer to slander you, I never slander Rusty.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> then it is highly unlikely you will have any issues, but that still didn't
>> seem to stop you from slandering rusty
>>
>>
>>
>
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> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I prefer to slander you, I never slander Rusty.

Gary Hurst wrote:

then it is highly unlikely you will have any issues, but that still didn't
seem to stop you from slandering rusty

  


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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

then it is highly unlikely you will have any issues, but that still didn't
seem to stop you from slandering rusty

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> My installation was all proper including proper flushing of the entire
> system.  It should not blow up.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
>> apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.
>>
>> the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they blow
>> up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
>> some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new
>> compressor
>> and destroy it.
>>
>> i asked all my suppliers for all their warranty rates for all brands.
>> numbers ran from 10 to 33%.  guess which one was the 10%?  the apco that
>> rusty sold you!
>>
>> so it seems to me that rusty sold you the right one after all, that you
>> messed up the installation and then decided to imply that he sent you
>> crap.
>>
>>
>> i'm glad i don't have to deal with you, kleb!
>>
>> btw, my immediate thought is to not wait till they blow up to replace
>> them.
>> this would solve most of the R4 hassle
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

My installation was all proper including proper flushing of the entire 
system.  It should not blow up.


Gary Hurst wrote:

due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.

the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they blow
up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new compressor
and destroy it.

i asked all my suppliers for all their warranty rates for all brands.
numbers ran from 10 to 33%.  guess which one was the 10%?  the apco that
rusty sold you!

so it seems to me that rusty sold you the right one after all, that you
messed up the installation and then decided to imply that he sent you crap.


i'm glad i don't have to deal with you, kleb!

btw, my immediate thought is to not wait till they blow up to replace them.
this would solve most of the R4 hassle

  


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89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Gary Hurst]

due to all this talk, i spent some time researching it today.  seems the
apco is a very nice unit.  i even shipped one today to someone.

the deal is that all r4s are trouble, but mostly because users.  they blow
up and leave crap in the system.  if the crap is not totally flushed out,
some of the remaining crap has a bad tendency to get into the new compressor
and destroy it.

i asked all my suppliers for all their warranty rates for all brands.
numbers ran from 10 to 33%.  guess which one was the 10%?  the apco that
rusty sold you!

so it seems to me that rusty sold you the right one after all, that you
messed up the installation and then decided to imply that he sent you crap.


i'm glad i don't have to deal with you, kleb!

btw, my immediate thought is to not wait till they blow up to replace them.
this would solve most of the R4 hassle

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Apco, so thats it, I never heard of that brand before, is this a cheap
> chineese compressor that is going to blow up on me in a few months?
>
> Rusty Cullens wrote:
>
>> It wasn't Four Seasons it was APCO Air and was probably poorly installed.
>>
>> Rusty Cullens
>> BuyMBparts, Inc.
>> Tel 1-800-741-5252
>> Fax   770-454-9745
>>
>
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> 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Apco, so thats it, I never heard of that brand before, is this a cheap 
chineese compressor that is going to blow up on me in a few months?


Rusty Cullens wrote:

It wasn't Four Seasons it was APCO Air and was probably poorly installed.

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Rusty Cullens]

It was not Chinese, it was APCO Air.

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good




the problem, kleb, is that a quality unit of the harrison/delphi class is
going to cost you at least 250 and maybe as much as 300.  so let's just 
say

$275 to split the difference.

the one you buy for 100 bucks just ain't gonna make it, man!  ok, repeat
after me:  "shanghai white box special is not actually the original maker 
of

general motors AC compressors"

i and a handful of others am resisting the tempation to go with all white
box chinese all the time and we are losing the war because all 90% of
customers want is the lower price possible.  even i have to make 
consessions

in this area to stay alive am therefore spend a lot of time thinking about
what is chinese garbage vs what is really bad chinese garbage vs what is
really really ridiculously bad chinese garbage.

when i started doing this 10 years ago, i used to mock customers who 
bought

meyle for "buying junk."  today i wish customers would be willing to even
step up to the quality of meyle, which just buries chinese junk in terms 
of

quailty.

when i talk to my suppliers about quality, i always ask the simple 
question
of "is this something you'd be happy to put on your own car."  nowadays 
the

most common answer i'm getting is "i wouldn't put that in my trunk."

it's a disaster and those of you who brought it about know who you are. 
as

for the very many of you who stand fast and will spend 5 dollars more for
lemforder than for chinese generic,   i salute you and encourage you to
never surrender to the temptation of junk parts.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:



I just told rusty to send me a new, not rebuilt compressor.  I have no
control over what he sent me.  So what are the brands of new ones that 
are
available to you?  What is this abco or whatever brand.  Its not abco but 
it
start with an "A", it something like abco.  When I told him a new one, I 
was

expecting a harrison/delco or whatever they are

Gary Hurst wrote:


like i try to tell you and rusty all the time, there is no savings to be
had
with chinese parts!

i only keep that crap in the catalog so rusty will have something to 
sell

to
guys like you, but i won't let online customers buy it.

does anyone else find it ironic that while it is quality that brings 
most

of
us to MB cars, the clamor for cheaper and cheaper chinese parts grows
louder
everyday?  i can understand it with a half retard like kleb, but i'm
amazed
how many obviously smart guys fall into this group as well.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



This was not a Four Seaons rebuild, it was a new one ordered from 
Rusty,

abco something or other brand.
Peter Frederick wrote:




You should have sent it back.  It was toast when you got it.

Never buy Four Seasons rebuilds, they often have sand blast medium in
them, along with bad parts.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Rusty Cullens]

Bzzzt. Wrongo.

Rusty Cullens
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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany 
good




i think you can buy better stuff online

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
wrote:



So I finished up the complete ac overhaul on this 116 300SD for my dad.
 When I got the brand new compressor out to fill in the oil, I noticed 
that
I could not turn the thing over by hand.  Every compressor I have dealt 
with
you could easily turn them over by hand unless they were locked up or 
about

to lock up.  I did get it to turn over using a screwdriver in a couple of
the slots on the front of the clutch.  So I filled in the oil, turned it
over several times per the instructions.  Pull a vacuum for an hour, it
holds for an hour, charge with proper amount of 134, fire it up, 
compressor
kicks in, seems to be cooling although cant tell yet how well.  Problem 
is,
compressor sounds like a can of marbles.  This cant be good.  I am NOT 
going

to be happy having to pull the system apart again, since the system will
have to be opened again I assume I will have to replace the drier yet 
again.

Not to mention the refrigerant, oil etc I will be out.
Well, anybody got any ideas?  This compressor sure doesnt sound right to
me, right from the stiff turning over by hand down the the loud noises it
makes.  I fear its probably shredding its insides which will require yet
another flush.  What a nightmare  Somebody tell me its normal and it
will quiet down on its own after a while.  Might try putting in some more
oil thru the low side and see what happens.

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Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany good

[Rusty Cullens]

It wasn't Four Seasons it was APCO Air and was probably poorly installed.

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I dont think the new AC compressor I got from Rusty isany 
good




You should have sent it back.  It was toast when you got it.

Never buy Four Seasons rebuilds, they often have sand blast medium in 
them, along with bad parts.


Peter

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