Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
andrew strasfogel wrote: I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue what might be causing this crppy fuel economy. The car runs fine otehrwise. To make matters worse, diesel sells for more than high test here in D.C. Leaky injectors would do it, but I'd think it would idle like crap. I'm not sure how much difference retarded injection timing or a stuck timing advance device would make, but mpg and power would go down.
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
andrew strasfogel wrote: Wheels are cool, brakes fine - I maintain this car religiously. What about operating temperature? When my '85 190D thermostat stuck open, around town (short trips) fuel consumption in the winter dropped from the high 30s to the mid 20s! Chain stretch? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
It DOES idle like crap when I start it up and dies a couple times until the engine warms up. Operating temperature is normal (relatively new thermostat) but it idles a bit low (650). Is there a test for leaky injectors or should I simply replace them all? They are original to the car, to the best of my knowledge... 1983 300TD 276.7 K miles On 1/2/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Wheels are cool, brakes fine - I maintain this car religiously. What about operating temperature? When my '85 190D thermostat stuck open, around town (short trips) fuel consumption in the winter dropped from the high 30s to the mid 20s! Chain stretch? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
If the injectors have never been properly cleaned, now would be good time Check your yellow pages for a Bosch diesel injection shop near you. Alternatively, if you can't function without the car for the day or two it will probably take, see if Kaleb has a used set you can buy and have cleaned, then install. Remember to replace the crush washers (aka heat shields) at the same time! Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It DOES idle like crap when I start it up and dies a couple times until the engine warms up. Operating temperature is normal (relatively new thermostat) but it idles a bit low (650). Is there a test for leaky injectors or should I simply replace them all? They are original to the car, to the best of my knowledge... 1983 300TD 276.7 K miles On 1/2/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Wheels are cool, brakes fine - I maintain this car religiously. What about operating temperature? When my '85 190D thermostat stuck open, around town (short trips) fuel consumption in the winter dropped from the high 30s to the mid 20s! Chain stretch? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
andrew strasfogel wrote: It DOES idle like crap when I start it up and dies a couple times until the engine warms up. Operating temperature is normal (relatively new thermostat) but it idles a bit low (650). Is there a test for leaky injectors or should I simply replace them all? They are original to the car, to the best of my knowledge... Injectors are tested on a pop tester. Described in the section of the engine manual that describes injector maintenance. http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/617/07_1-135.pdf Idle speed needs to be raised to 700-800! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
Thanks, Marshall. Rusty sells them @ $45 so perhaps the purchase/inatallation of 5 new ones is not that much of an indulgence. How much does Rick Ellinger charge to test them?. On 1/3/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: It DOES idle like crap when I start it up and dies a couple times until the engine warms up. Operating temperature is normal (relatively new thermostat) but it idles a bit low (650). Is there a test for leaky injectors or should I simply replace them all? They are original to the car, to the best of my knowledge... Injectors are tested on a pop tester. Described in the section of the engine manual that describes injector maintenance. http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/617/07_1-135.pdf Idle speed needs to be raised to 700-800! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Marshall. Rusty sells them @ $45 so perhaps the purchase/inatallation of 5 new ones is not that much of an indulgence. How much does Rick Ellinger charge to test them?. The problem is that the labor to remove and reinstall the injectors is the same as the labor to replace them. The cost of rebuilt injectors (~$50 each) is about the same (or less) than what it would cost to clean/rebuild old ones (if I recall new nozzles to do a rebuild are close to $30 now). I don't know what Rick would charge to test a set of injectors if you removed them and brought them to him, but I expect that it wouldn't be much more than 1/2 hours labor. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue what might be causing this crppy fuel economy. The car runs fine otehrwise. To make matters worse, diesel sells for more than high test here in D.C. On 12/30/05, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob - My mileage is back up to 26 on my '81 SD. I did have a leaking fuel return line on 1 [enough to make it wet] and replaced 1-2-3, but I don't think that was all of the reason for the 3-4 mpg drop I got for three tanks. BillR Jacksonville 1981 300SD 'EM' 269k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:08 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog I believe my lack-o-power woes may have been a tank of bad fuel. Now that I've ran two tanks of the usual stuff, everything is back to normal...even without changing the filters yet. Could that be possible? Additionally, the oldest girl child was home with the TDI Beetle. I drove it today and was reminded how much fun they are. It goes like a scalded dog. She claims she got 47mpg on the way home. When she takes off for the U.K. next month, I be able to clean it up, get a timing belt done...and somehow tell her it is going to become mom's car while she is singing and dancing across the U.K. Girl-child will be surprised to find out she is now old enough to get her own car when she returns. Stand by for tears. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue Dragging brakes? Stretched timing chain? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:55:24 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue Dragging brakes? Brake hoses with internal swelling can cause the brakes to drag. Are the wheels hot after you drive? Craig
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
Wheels are cool, brakes fine - I maintain this car religiously. On 1/2/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:55:24 -0800 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue Dragging brakes? Brake hoses with internal swelling can cause the brakes to drag. Are the wheels hot after you drive? Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
Andrew - if all the obvious mechanical drag items are ruled out (including wheel alignments and tire pressure), then the usual culprit for poor fuel economy would lead one to timing problems - either the cam or the IP could be off and have a serious effect. Even with a heavy foot and a heavy car, we routinely get 29 mpg on the 126 SD, and 31 mpg on the 124 D. Werner - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog I'm still under 20 mpg (276K miles 83 300TD) and it's neither leaky fuel lines nor a faulty odometer. As of now I still don' have a clue what might be causing this crppy fuel economy. The car runs fine otehrwise. To make matters worse, diesel sells for more than high test here in D.C. On 12/30/05, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob - My mileage is back up to 26 on my '81 SD. I did have a leaking fuel return line on 1 [enough to make it wet] and replaced 1-2-3, but I don't think that was all of the reason for the 3-4 mpg drop I got for three tanks. BillR Jacksonville 1981 300SD 'EM' 269k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:08 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog I believe my lack-o-power woes may have been a tank of bad fuel. Now that I've ran two tanks of the usual stuff, everything is back to normal...even without changing the filters yet. Could that be possible? Additionally, the oldest girl child was home with the TDI Beetle. I drove it today and was reminded how much fun they are. It goes like a scalded dog. She claims she got 47mpg on the way home. When she takes off for the U.K. next month, I be able to clean it up, get a timing belt done...and somehow tell her it is going to become mom's car while she is singing and dancing across the U.K. Girl-child will be surprised to find out she is now old enough to get her own car when she returns. Stand by for tears. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog
Bob - My mileage is back up to 26 on my '81 SD. I did have a leaking fuel return line on 1 [enough to make it wet] and replaced 1-2-3, but I don't think that was all of the reason for the 3-4 mpg drop I got for three tanks. BillR Jacksonville 1981 300SD 'EM' 269k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:08 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] New Life and a Scalded Dog I believe my lack-o-power woes may have been a tank of bad fuel. Now that I've ran two tanks of the usual stuff, everything is back to normal...even without changing the filters yet. Could that be possible? Additionally, the oldest girl child was home with the TDI Beetle. I drove it today and was reminded how much fun they are. It goes like a scalded dog. She claims she got 47mpg on the way home. When she takes off for the U.K. next month, I be able to clean it up, get a timing belt done...and somehow tell her it is going to become mom's car while she is singing and dancing across the U.K. Girl-child will be surprised to find out she is now old enough to get her own car when she returns. Stand by for tears. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
