Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[OK Don]

Beta vs. VHS



so you take these stories at face value and continue to suffer the
indignities of windoze.  and then you wake up one day and realize that
it is just a bunch of lies to prop up a desperately poor product.

and then you are converted.



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Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Gary Hurst]

pc users put up with it because they really don't get what an easy
alternative there is out there.

i remember before i owned a mercedes being told how mercedes is the
most expensive car ever to keep on the road, how even a 240D will
bankrupt all but the rich and famous.

there is a whole similar mac propaganda mythology.  mac hardware is
more expensive than equivalent pc hardware by a factor of several.
that since most everyone uses pcs, your mac will be useless if you
need files to share work with anyone else.  that mac's are good if you
are a graphic artist, but not as good as windoze for serious business
applications.

so you take these stories at face value and continue to suffer the
indignities of windoze.  and then you wake up one day and realize that
it is just a bunch of lies to prop up a desperately poor product.

and then you are converted.

On 3/6/07, Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This could turn into a long thread.

I'm one of the millions of OS 9 + Mac users who go uncounted these days.
I use OS X too. These are not cheap platforms in NZ since our retailers
trade at the end of a very long piece of string.

By necessity (the girls' schools and my University use PCs only) , we
also have a Windows machine on our home network. I use the PC with my
teeth clenched. Windows XP makes possible features I have longed for on
the Mac (the two-button mouse, for instance) but it's otherwise a shabby
piece of junk, in my view. Whereas OS 9 + and X are miracles of
carefully thought-out, user-friendly, seamlessly functioning software,
it's frankly a miracle that the creaking code of WXP runs at all on
self-conflicted PCs.

Example: a clean reinstall on my Mac routinely takes maybe 30 minutes
and wipes only the system software. My recent clean reinstall on the PC
took 4 hours (it trashed everything on my HD), then a further 3 days of
my time and 2 days of a professional fixer's time to rectify the
conflicts which arose subsequently. Ultimately we had to purchase a new
video card because the old one would no longer run - a  $450 reinstall!
[On top of the endless financial haemorrhaging for component upgrades].

And you know what the most remarkable thing is? PC users put up with
this crap!

Macs are the Mercedes of the computer world - owned by prudent people
who cherish quality and durability over the thrill of cheap capital
outlays.

Euan
CHCH
NZ

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Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Allan Streib]

Euan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> And you know what the most remarkable thing is? PC users put up with
> this crap!

Many know nothing else, and think it's normal.

And honestly, if you buy a Windows XP machine, do an immediate "clean"
reinstall of just the OS to wipe off all the adware crap the vendors
put on a "home" PC, and then leave it alone, it's pretty stable.

Of course the minute you need to change a setting, or add some new
driver or hardware, all bets are off.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Euan]

This could turn into a long thread.

I'm one of the millions of OS 9 + Mac users who go uncounted these days. 
I use OS X too. These are not cheap platforms in NZ since our retailers 
trade at the end of a very long piece of string.


By necessity (the girls' schools and my University use PCs only) , we 
also have a Windows machine on our home network. I use the PC with my 
teeth clenched. Windows XP makes possible features I have longed for on 
the Mac (the two-button mouse, for instance) but it's otherwise a shabby 
piece of junk, in my view. Whereas OS 9 + and X are miracles of 
carefully thought-out, user-friendly, seamlessly functioning software,  
it's frankly a miracle that the creaking code of WXP runs at all on 
self-conflicted PCs.


Example: a clean reinstall on my Mac routinely takes maybe 30 minutes 
and wipes only the system software. My recent clean reinstall on the PC 
took 4 hours (it trashed everything on my HD), then a further 3 days of 
my time and 2 days of a professional fixer's time to rectify the 
conflicts which arose subsequently. Ultimately we had to purchase a new 
video card because the old one would no longer run - a  $450 reinstall!  
[On top of the endless financial haemorrhaging for component upgrades].


And you know what the most remarkable thing is? PC users put up with 
this crap!


Macs are the Mercedes of the computer world - owned by prudent people 
who cherish quality and durability over the thrill of cheap capital 
outlays.


Euan
CHCH
NZ

Re: [MBZ] OSX users

[RELNGSON]

> < Werner>.
> 
No, Verner, that's not what the article said. That's just OSX users.
Has there been some reliable number published about all the various other 
OSs? 

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Werner Fehlauer]

OK, Gary, I'll change the oil this week, especially since we're off to 
Southern Treffen on the 15th!


Werner

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From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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what you mean?  like talking about the war in iraq and how it sucks
and how we have been betrayed again by our dishonest leaders?

i'd hate to see that kind of talk here.

os x really is pretty nice though, werner.  i'd urge you to try it.
otherwise, i just urge you to stop the w.., um, change your oil!

Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Gary Hurst]

what you mean?  like talking about the war in iraq and how it sucks
and how we have been betrayed again by our dishonest leaders?

i'd hate to see that kind of talk here.

os x really is pretty nice though, werner.  i'd urge you to try it.
otherwise, i just urge you to stop the w.., um, change your oil!



On 3/5/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Careful, Gary - talking about "winning wars" can lead to political
discussions, and invoke the wrath of K!
Werner

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From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS


> probably more than that.  and we are winning the war none the less.
>
> On 3/5/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Does that mean that the Mac users are now only out-numbered 24.5 to 1?
>> Werner
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:46 PM
>> Subject: [MBZ] OSX USERS
>>
>>
>> 22 Million Mac OS X Users
>> -
>> by Glenn Fleishman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> article link: <http://db.tidbits.com/article/8892>
>>
>> We often wonder how many of us there are. While Apple occasionally
>> shares the number of active Mac OS X users, it has been a while
>> since the last update. Eight months ago in August 2006 at Apple's
>> Worldwide Developers Conference, Steve Jobs said there were 19
>> million active Mac OS X users. Keith Bachman, an analyst at Bank of
>> America Securities, now quotes a higher number in an AppleInsider
>> article: 22 million users of all versions of Mac OS X. Bank of
>> America Securities estimates an increase of 6 million Mac users
>> since the release of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger in June 2005. It's also
>> highly likely that there are uncounted millions of users still using
>> Mac OS 9 and earlier.


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Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Werner Fehlauer]

Careful, Gary - talking about "winning wars" can lead to political 
discussions, and invoke the wrath of K!

Werner

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS



probably more than that.  and we are winning the war none the less.

On 3/5/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does that mean that the Mac users are now only out-numbered 24.5 to 1?
Werner

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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OSX USERS


22 Million Mac OS X Users
-
by Glenn Fleishman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
article link: <http://db.tidbits.com/article/8892>

We often wonder how many of us there are. While Apple occasionally
shares the number of active Mac OS X users, it has been a while
since the last update. Eight months ago in August 2006 at Apple's
Worldwide Developers Conference, Steve Jobs said there were 19
million active Mac OS X users. Keith Bachman, an analyst at Bank of
America Securities, now quotes a higher number in an AppleInsider
article: 22 million users of all versions of Mac OS X. Bank of
America Securities estimates an increase of 6 million Mac users
since the release of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger in June 2005. It's also
highly likely that there are uncounted millions of users still using
Mac OS 9 and earlier.

Re: [MBZ] OSX USERS

[Gary Hurst]

probably more than that.  and we are winning the war none the less.

On 3/5/07, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does that mean that the Mac users are now only out-numbered 24.5 to 1?
Werner

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OSX USERS


22 Million Mac OS X Users
-
by Glenn Fleishman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
article link: 

We often wonder how many of us there are. While Apple occasionally
shares the number of active Mac OS X users, it has been a while
since the last update. Eight months ago in August 2006 at Apple's
Worldwide Developers Conference, Steve Jobs said there were 19
million active Mac OS X users. Keith Bachman, an analyst at Bank of
America Securities, now quotes a higher number in an AppleInsider
article: 22 million users of all versions of Mac OS X. Bank of
America Securities estimates an increase of 6 million Mac users
since the release of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger in June 2005. It's also
highly likely that there are uncounted millions of users still using
Mac OS 9 and earlier.



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