Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-06 Thread Curt Raymond

Were they machines that were actually using the host file? Seems like most home 
users won't be...

Now I'm going to start checking computers for random host files.

Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:52:29 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued
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It seems than at Mon, 5 May 2008 17:51:50 -0700 (PDT), Curt
wrote:

 
 *shouldn't* be anything in it though unless you've put it
 there yourself...
 
 If Firefox works its not the host file...

Doh!

That's what I get for ignoring most of a Windows thread.

I've seen a couple machines that had corrupted hosts files.

--  Philip

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-06 Thread OK Don
I used to populate my hosts file with a blacklist of known 'bad' sites
- mapping those host names to home (127.0.0.1). I haven't updated it
in a couple of years though, so it's probably not doing any good now.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Were they machines that were actually using the host file? Seems like most 
 home users won't be...

  Now I'm going to start checking computers for random host files.


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-06 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Tue, 6 May 2008 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT), Curt
wrote:

 
 Were they machines that were actually using the host file?
 Seems like most home users won't be...

Effectively no. I think there was an entry for the other machine
on the LAN, but I don't remember for sure.

But the hosts file was still there. And the worm had put
127.0.0.1 for the major anti-virus vendor sites.

Sneaky, no?

I now have those machines running WinPatrol, a dandy MS Windows
watchdog. It yelps if anything attempts to muck about with
critical parts. 

But as I am _not_ a MS Win sys admin, one day soon, when I have
a few spare hours during a visit, I'll get Debian installed and
dodge the whole mess. I will need to get a hardware modem for
the whole thing to fly...

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued - backup system

2008-05-05 Thread Bill R
As a testament to what Don said, a few years ago I asked a friend who worked
at Publix [major Florida based grocery chain] about the new building going
up a the back of an area near where he worked.  He said an internal study
showed that a computer system failure would most likely cause the company
and it's hundreds of stores to end up bankrupt.  They were constructing a
fully redundant system in a separate location.  The more you need a computer
system the more you need good protection and backup.
BillR
Formerly living in Lakeland FL, headquarters of Publix.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of OK Don
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:42 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

Never rely on only one computer --- if you're business depends on it,
you need a spare.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it
  with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying
  to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will
  finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2
  h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages.
  This is not good


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Luther
Dude, quit F!n with it, buy that new harddrive that you're drooling over, and
load everything from scratch.  MANY less headaches that way 

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Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it
 with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying
 to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will
 finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2
 h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages. 
 This is not good




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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Luther
Sounds like life in DIY MB repair. 

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Quoting OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Never rely on only one computer --- if you're business depends on it,
 you need a spare. 





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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread LarryT
start in Safe Mode - turn the puter on - once the memory counts start 
pushing F8 before WIndows loads - you'll be taken to a screen where you can 
choose to start in Safe Mode - you;re limited to what you can do but once 
Win starts go to Start\run\msconfig - go to Startup  and select Disable 
ALL - then restart and then one at a time turn things back on - there's 
little you *have* to have and Win will load those.

BTW, saw an ad for IOmega HDs - they have a 750GB ext USB HD  for $160. 
There may be others less expensive -- 

Good luck -

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- Original Message - 
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued


 Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it
 with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying
 to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will
 finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2
 h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages.
 This is not good

 OK Don wrote:
 Ping will usually be blocked by a firewall to prevent the ping of
 death attack, but it still tells you the IP address that the name
 resolves. I thought from an earlier post that the other browsers
 weren't working either. Since they are, your IP stack is OK - it's
 I.E. that's bad.

 On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
 strange, I ran ping and it timed out.  I get connection via firefox,
  opera etc, but IE will not do anything but lock up.  Ping wont work
  either apparantly, yet I DO get connection with other browser



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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued - backup system

2008-05-05 Thread LWB250
The redundancy that most major retail chains have isn't that sophisticated.  I 
worked on site systems for Target and K-Mart some years back, and this was the 
gist of what they did:
   
  POS (point of sale) systems loaded their data in real time to a local server. 
 The local server used a RAID 5 array for data security.  At a pre-detemined 
time every day, the server uploaded the store data (inventory, sales, etc.) via 
a satellite link.
   
  The only hitch in this approach was if you missed your window of time for 
tranmission to the satellite, as the times were tightly controlled from 
corporate and had little room for mistakes.  That necessistated calling 
corporate to schedule a manual upload, or a dump of the data to tape, which was 
overnighted to corporate.
   
  I'm sure it's far more sophisticated than this now, as at the time I was 
doing it there was no such thing as broadband or fiber, only DSL.  And while it 
did exist, I never heard of anyone having a dedicated T1 line in their store.
   
  It's my understanding from what I see in trade rags that places like Wal-Mart 
are doing real-time inventory, and generating orders directly from this data 
without any human interaction.

  Amazing, I guess.
   
  Another aspect of redundancy that Publix recently grappled with was the loss 
of power and resulting loss of perishables during extended outages (like during 
and immediately following hurricanes.)  They went on a major upgrade spree at 
many of their stores and installed generators capable of carrying the 
refrigeration load, which is substantial.  They already had smaller gensets for 
egress lighting and data backup, but they were way too small to deal with the 
refrigeration loads.
   
  The Publix closest to my house now has a 300kW Caterpillar in an enclosure 
right next to the 50kW Onan that was already there.
   
  Dan
  
Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  As a testament to what Don said, a few years ago I asked a friend who worked
at Publix [major Florida based grocery chain] about the new building going
up a the back of an area near where he worked. He said an internal study
showed that a computer system failure would most likely cause the company
and it's hundreds of stores to end up bankrupt. They were constructing a
fully redundant system in a separate location. The more you need a computer
system the more you need good protection and backup.
BillR
Formerly living in Lakeland FL, headquarters of Publix.

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Rolf

Firefox and Thunderbird, I can't remember the last time I had a virus or
spyrware issues.

-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Well it appears I have all the spyware crap gone, have run several 
 programs to get rid of it, and finally it runs and doesnt turn u p 
 antyhing.  Still have IE problems.  IE starts, says connecting but never 
 connects or does anything.  It will eventually say not responding and 
 you have to force it closed.  IE works fine with other things, like MB 
 service CD, but connecting to the internet this is what it does.  Also, 
 wife uses outlook express for email, and it seems to be doing about the 
 same thing.
   


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Sun, 4 May 2008 17:45:01 -0500, OK wrote:

 OK - based on IE working for local content but not Internet
 content, perhaps the IP stack is at fault?  DNS isn't working?

Check the hosts file.

Windows still uses one, doesn't it?

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread dave walton
Yes

C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

-Dave Walton

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems than at Sun, 4 May 2008 17:45:01 -0500, OK wrote:

   OK - based on IE working for local content but not Internet
   content, perhaps the IP stack is at fault?  DNS isn't working?

  Check the hosts file.

  Windows still uses one, doesn't it?

  --Philip



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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Loren Faeth
BUY A  MAC


At 02:01 AM 5/5/2008, you wrote:
Dude, quit F!n with it, buy that new harddrive that you're drooling over, and
load everything from scratch.  MANY less headaches that way

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Quoting Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it
  with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying
  to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will
  finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2
  h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages.
  This is not good
 



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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Curt Raymond

*shouldn't* be anything in it though unless you've put it there yourself...

If Firefox works its not the host file...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:57:48 -0400
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Yes

C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

-Dave Walton

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It seems than at Sun, 4 May 2008 17:45:01 -0500, OK wrote:

   OK - based on IE working for local content but not Internet
   content, perhaps the IP stack is at fault?  DNS isn't working?

  Check the hosts file.

  Windows still uses one, doesn't it?

  --Philip



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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread OK Don
It will work if you delete everything in it --- then you don't have to
decide what's comment and what's substance. If anything appears,
you've been hacked - clean it out again.

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  *shouldn't* be anything in it though unless you've put it there yourself...

  If Firefox works its not the host file...


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-05 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Mon, 5 May 2008 17:51:50 -0700 (PDT), Curt
wrote:

 
 *shouldn't* be anything in it though unless you've put it
 there yourself...
 
 If Firefox works its not the host file...

Doh!

That's what I get for ignoring most of a Windows thread.

I've seen a couple machines that had corrupted hosts files.

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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread OK Don
OK - based on IE working for local content but not Internet content,
perhaps the IP stack is at fault?  DNS isn't working? Try pinging web
sites and report the IP address that it returns, we can compare to
what you get.
I pinged www.ebay.com and got [66.135.214.176]. What do you get? We
won't necessarily get the exact same address, but perhaps close?

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well it appears I have all the spyware crap gone, have run several
  programs to get rid of it, and finally it runs and doesnt turn u p
  antyhing.  Still have IE problems.  IE starts, says connecting but never
  connects or does anything.  It will eventually say not responding and
  you have to force it closed.  IE works fine with other things, like MB
  service CD, but connecting to the internet this is what it does.  Also,
  wife uses outlook express for email, and it seems to be doing about the
  same thing.
  --


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
strange, I ran ping and it timed out.  I get connection via firefox, 
opera etc, but IE will not do anything but lock up.  Ping wont work 
either apparantly, yet I DO get connection with other browser

OK Don wrote:
 OK - based on IE working for local content but not Internet content,
 perhaps the IP stack is at fault?  DNS isn't working? Try pinging web
 sites and report the IP address that it returns, we can compare to
 what you get.
 I pinged www.ebay.com and got [66.135.214.176]. What do you get? We
 won't necessarily get the exact same address, but perhaps close?
 
 On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well it appears I have all the spyware crap gone, have run several
  programs to get rid of it, and finally it runs and doesnt turn u p
  antyhing.  Still have IE problems.  IE starts, says connecting but never
  connects or does anything.  It will eventually say not responding and
  you have to force it closed.  IE works fine with other things, like MB
  service CD, but connecting to the internet this is what it does.  Also,
  wife uses outlook express for email, and it seems to be doing about the
  same thing.
  --
 
 

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  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread OK Don
Ping will usually be blocked by a firewall to prevent the ping of
death attack, but it still tells you the IP address that the name
resolves. I thought from an earlier post that the other browsers
weren't working either. Since they are, your IP stack is OK - it's
I.E. that's bad.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 strange, I ran ping and it timed out.  I get connection via firefox,
  opera etc, but IE will not do anything but lock up.  Ping wont work
  either apparantly, yet I DO get connection with other browser


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it 
with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying 
to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will 
finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2 
h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages. 
This is not good

OK Don wrote:
 Ping will usually be blocked by a firewall to prevent the ping of
 death attack, but it still tells you the IP address that the name
 resolves. I thought from an earlier post that the other browsers
 weren't working either. Since they are, your IP stack is OK - it's
 I.E. that's bad.
 
 On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 strange, I ran ping and it timed out.  I get connection via firefox,
  opera etc, but IE will not do anything but lock up.  Ping wont work
  either apparantly, yet I DO get connection with other browser

 

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  89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread OK Don
Never rely on only one computer --- if you're business depends on it,
you need a spare.

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it
  with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying
  to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will
  finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2
  h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages.
  This is not good


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Re: [MBZ] OT, IE problems continued

2008-05-04 Thread Russ Williams
Kaleb

Winsock Repair program on the way to you.
Un-Zip it first

Russ W.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Something is locking it up when it tries to connect.  Yes, have tried it 
 with zone alarm turned off.  Now, firefox is also locking up when trying 
 to connect. Usually you have to restart it several times and it will 
 finally work.  Now, I have not got it to work yet.  I have spent over 2 
 h ours just trying to upload some ebay listings and ship 2 packages. 
 This is not good

   

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