Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
ME's build weapons; CE's build targets... Then there is the one about the various disciplines discussing what discipline God is (but that belongs on banned)... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 6, 2011, at 22:19, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
So where do the ME/EE crosses like myself fit in? :) Walt On Feb 7, 2011 7:10 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ME's build weapons; CE's build targets... Then there is the one about the various disciplines discussing what discipline God is (but that belongs on banned)... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 6, 2011, at 22:19, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
That's how I've seen it presented, bearing in mind that it was fed to the NO by the HOA. However, the things I see from NCDOT say Lacy fielded the HOA's complaint, suggested the HOA hire a consultant, the HOA comes back with a professional-looking report that uses the lingo, and not only does the reviewer not recognize the name, he's not on the registration list. Did he know the name was someone in the HOA? Did he know there was no money exchanged? Did he expect anything other than it was an out-of-state consultant who should register for comity in the state? No one has asked that I've seen. Everything else I've seen - including that the report will be disregarded because of the administrative complaint - is just people speculating, including in the NO. I do see where the HOA intentionally and obviously set up the false dichotomy - either Lacy 100% accepts the report, or he 100% rejects everything about it - but I didn't see that from Lacy. It appears the NO fell for that without questioning, which if they hadn't would make this a much more interesting discussion I suspect. I have no love for NCDOT, and having driven in the Triangle for 14 years I'd say those guys have much better things to do than complain about other people's work, but I have to admit I don't see anything from NCDOT in this story that makes me want to get up in arms. [In fact, kudos to them, someone actually looked at the header page on a citizen complaint. That might be a new reading record! I had thought that they were binned on receipt.] I do know the NO tries really hard to make stories seem bigger than they are, and doesn't have a good brain-print filter, so it's hard for me to believe a lot of their local coverage. Too much stupidity makes it into that poor paper; even this seems well-researched when compared with a lot of their stuff. [Marginally related aside, in NC any PE licensee can do any PE work, as long as he believes he is qualified to do it, so civil and mechanicals live side-by-side here. But mechanical is better for humans to be, of course.] -Tim who is licensed but can't sign anything because he doesn't know how to do anything for which a license would be required who is additionally hoping Wilton doesn't read the last paragraph :) On Feb 6, 2011 9:12 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Oh, I read it, but that's OK. ;) BTW, local Goldsboro paper is even worse, or maybe it's because I have more personal knowledge of some of the stuff local rag prints - 'just can't seem to get stuff right. It seems reporters/newspapers like to sensationalize stuff, maybe, to sell more papers. 'Latest good example is renewal of the story of the B-52 crash and release of 2 nuclear weapons near here 50 years ago. There was much more danger of somebody or some structure being struck by large, heavy and burning debris than having a nuclear detonation. They always emphasize how close they came to Armageddon - in reality, not close at all - weapons were in SAFE configuration. Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) That's how I've seen it presented, bearing in mind that it was fed to the NO by the HOA. However, the things I see from NCDOT say Lacy fielded the HOA's complaint, suggested the HOA hire a consultant, the HOA comes back with a professional-looking report that uses the lingo, and not only does the reviewer not recognize the name, he's not on the registration list. Did he know the name was someone in the HOA? Did he know there was no money exchanged? Did he expect anything other than it was an out-of-state consultant who should register for comity in the state? No one has asked that I've seen. Everything else I've seen - including that the report will be disregarded because of the administrative complaint - is just people speculating, including in the NO. I do see where the HOA intentionally and obviously set up the false dichotomy - either Lacy 100% accepts the report, or he 100% rejects everything about it - but I didn't see that from Lacy. It appears the NO fell for that without questioning, which if they hadn't would make this a much more interesting discussion I suspect. I have no love for NCDOT, and having driven in the Triangle for 14 years I'd say those guys have much better things to do than complain about other people's work, but I have to admit I don't see anything from NCDOT in this story that makes me want to get up in arms. [In fact, kudos to them, someone actually looked at the header page on a citizen complaint. That might be a new reading record! I had thought that they were binned on receipt.] I do know the NO tries really hard to make stories seem bigger than they are, and doesn't have a good brain-print filter, so it's hard for me to believe a lot of their local coverage. Too much stupidity makes it into that poor paper; even this seems well-researched when compared with a lot of their stuff. [Marginally related aside, in NC any PE licensee can do any PE work, as long as he believes he is qualified to do it, so civil and mechanicals live side-by-side here. But mechanical is better for humans to be, of course.] -Tim who is licensed but can't sign anything because he doesn't know how to do anything for which a license would be required who is additionally hoping Wilton doesn't read the last paragraph :) On Feb 6, 2011 9:12 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
He has passed the exam, now needs someone to give him real work experience for the practical portion of the certification. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Most states (well, NC, anyway) would then require that your son pass the appropriate Professional Engineering (PE) exam(s), etc., before he could present himself as an engineer for payment, unless working for another PE, of course. Wilton -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Guided weapons? On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: So where do the ME/EE crosses like myself fit in? :) Walt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
That's great! Congratulations. I wish him well. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) He has passed the exam, now needs someone to give him real work experience for the practical portion of the certification. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Most states (well, NC, anyway) would then require that your son pass the appropriate Professional Engineering (PE) exam(s), etc., before he could present himself as an engineer for payment, unless working for another PE, of course. Wilton -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:47:27 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. Now that you mention it, I do remember that one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
I think that was the first thing my son learned in ME school --- On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:47:27 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. Now that you mention it, I do remember that one. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Donnie Darko might think otherwise --R On 2/7/2011 1:49 PM, WILTON wrote: Oh, I read it, but that's OK. ;) BTW, local Goldsboro paper is even worse, or maybe it's because I have more personal knowledge of some of the stuff local rag prints - 'just can't seem to get stuff right. It seems reporters/newspapers like to sensationalize stuff, maybe, to sell more papers. 'Latest good example is renewal of the story of the B-52 crash and release of 2 nuclear weapons near here 50 years ago. There was much more danger of somebody or some structure being struck by large, heavy and burning debris than having a nuclear detonation. They always emphasize how close they came to Armageddon - in reality, not close at all - weapons were in SAFE configuration. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Your interpretation could be correct, but I read it as the DOT didn't like its own conclusions being challenged and they have found a technicality that lets them disregard the appeal, as well as slap the hand of the person who submitted it. Allan On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:16 -0500, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: But Bev would be heart broken! To play devil's advocate for Lacy, the NO said it was the first time he has done a referral to BELS. It wasn't clear from the article, but if the history was unclear (submitted by the HOA does not necessarily imply money was not exchanged) when he got the document, and it wasn't stamped, then it could have been reasonable to refer to the board of engineering since the HOA may well have been defrauded. (Of course now we that we know the story it sounds like it wasn't, so no doubt BELS' investigation will be nice and easy.) What I don't understand is why everyone has been assuming the document itself will not be considered. The history doesn't add or remove value, at least as to whether a complaint to the government has validity. Did Lacy say the document would not be considered? (Not that I think of NCDOT as a shining beacon of rationality, but so far it seems everyone else has made the illogical leap and I don't see where DOT did.) -Tim On Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 6, 2011, at 9:16, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: But Bev would be heart broken! To play devil's advocate for Lacy, the NO said it was the first time he has done a referral to BELS. It wasn't clear from the article, but if the history was unclear (submitted by the HOA does not necessarily imply money was not exchanged) when he got the document, and it wasn't stamped, then it could have been reasonable to refer to the board of engineering since the HOA may well have been defrauded. (Of course now we that we know the story it sounds like it wasn't, so no doubt BELS' investigation will be nice and easy.) What I don't understand is why everyone has been assuming the document itself will not be considered. The history doesn't add or remove value, at least as to whether a complaint to the government has validity. Did Lacy say the document would not be considered? (Not that I think of NCDOT as a shining beacon of rationality, but so far it seems everyone else has made the illogical leap and I don't see where DOT did.) -Tim On Feb 4, 2011 11:08 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
In the fairness of full disclosure, I should state that (knocking on wood), my son will graduate as a mechanical engineer this spring --- On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
That's right, Don. The article mentioned nothing about the presenter(s) having claimed to be engineer(s) or having been paid to do engineering work. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing.......NOW training/education)
Most states (well, NC, anyway) would then require that your son pass the appropriate Professional Engineering (PE) exam(s), etc., before he could present himself as an engineer for payment, unless working for another PE, of course. Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton taking over NCDOT, was Re: OT Rant (was F-16 Dead-Stick Landing...NOW training/education) In the fairness of full disclosure, I should state that (knocking on wood), my son will graduate as a mechanical engineer this spring --- On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Mechanical engineers build weapons, civil engineers build targets. I think that as long as the non-engineer wasn't paid for the work, it's fine. Although I don't have a EE degree, doesn't make it unlawfull for me to build and operate a radio receiver. I do have an amateur license to operate a transmitter, but not for pay. I don't see why there would be any valid agrument against an amateur civil engineer. On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:11:55 -0500 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I read it as in the...gentleman...was questioning whether it was fraud for a non-engineer to apply engineering principles and use engineering data in a report that was submitted to the NCDoT; that NCDoT (and the citizens of the state (country if FHWA funds are involved)) were the damaged parties. Further, it seemed (to me) that the...gentleman...felt that the preparer of the report could not possibly understand or correctly apply the (mystical?) engineering principles, etc, since he had not been anointed. Since the preparer could not possibly have interpreted anything related to engineering aspects correctly, the report must therefore be flawed and incorrect. (justifying discounting it into nonexistence) That's how I read it, too. IMHO, the only thing that would be more hilarious is if the preparer were a mechanical engineer, and the complaint was that he was inappropriately doing civil engineering... (that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers) Having been an electrical type, I never heard that old joke about mechanical engineers and civil engineers. Craig -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
