Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
here in Berkeley, we are the home of the self-proclaimed oldest Volvo dealer in the USA; it would appear that many of the first cars sold at that dealership are still crawling the local roads. it would seem that Volvos have historically been bought by people who are trying to protect themselves from the dangers of the public roads (read: mostly from themselves), and for some reason seem to require a lack of driving ability or preclude any ability to exhibit any driving skill. it's as if those who can't drive and/or those who love them will get a Volvo, or something about the cars causes one to have such a sense of invulnerability as to reduce the drivers need to pay any attention to what they're actually doing and/or what is going on around them. aside from the Prii, you can almost bet that the vehicle holding up traffic in front of you will be a Volvo, usually a wagon, with any number of stickers proclaiming the owners political statements and allegiance to their Public Broadcasting station of choice. most of the local kids wouldn't want to be associated with their parents old Volvos for some of these very reasons. fortunately for them, most of their families seem to be affluent enough that they're able to get into their ricer-of-choice, or they go to the other end of the extreme and compete with us for the old 617s we know and love so they can make their political statement on a low budget and drive it around on Biofuels. the exception would be the modern higher-performance models; their problem is that they seem to appeal to the same sort of drivers that participate in the same sort of driving styles exhibited most commonly by the BMW, Audi, and later Saab drivers. personally, i bought a brand-new Volvo some years ago on the basis of its performance specs on paper, and while it returned great power and fuel economy it was so cost-intensive to keep in proper trim that i was happy to take the loss to get out of it less than 2 years later. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: I would guess that the Volvo drivers that are so crummy are the young folk whose parents have bestowed upon them their Swedish safety mobile. Unless you are talking about drivers of newer high-end Volvos which drive about the same as those who pilot newer Audis (in an entitled and irresponsible fashion). I find that here in Southeastern Minnesota, the worst drivers tend to be behind the wheel of Pontiac Grand something-or-others, Saturns and newer Monte Carlos and Luminas. (in other words, young white trash). This is not to mention the road-owning operators of full-sized 4x4s. On the other end of the spectrum, you have the drivers in a certain town I pass through on my commute, where the overwhelming vehicle of choice is the Buick. I know I'm going to be late when one of these slowly enters the roadway in front of me from a side street. As far as safe drivers: as long as laziness and selfishness rule (which will be always), driving will continue to be a losing proposition. Accidents are when - not if. Makes caring about your vehicle a losing proposition as well. Brian Who analyzes this, did you notice? Alan wrote: I've always found Volvo drivers to be among the worst...at least in my locality. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding.
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
The wagons are really big in Seattle for the emergent rock band kids to haul their instruments to gigs. Way too many clapped out volvos from the 70-80's crammed with amps on a friday and saturday. On Apr 7, 2007, at 5:52 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: here in Berkeley, we are the home of the self-proclaimed oldest Volvo dealer in the USA; it would appear that many of the first cars sold at that dealership are still crawling the local roads. it would seem that Volvos have historically been bought by people who are trying to protect themselves from the dangers of the public roads (read: mostly from themselves), and for some reason seem to require a lack of driving ability or preclude any ability to exhibit any driving skill. it's as if those who can't drive and/or those who love them will get a Volvo, or something about the cars causes one to have such a sense of invulnerability as to reduce the drivers need to pay any attention to what they're actually doing and/or what is going on around them. aside from the Prii, you can almost bet that the vehicle holding up traffic in front of you will be a Volvo, usually a wagon, with any number of stickers proclaiming the owners political statements and allegiance to their Public Broadcasting station of choice. most of the local kids wouldn't want to be associated with their parents old Volvos for some of these very reasons. fortunately for them, most of their families seem to be affluent enough that they're able to get into their ricer-of-choice, or they go to the other end of the extreme and compete with us for the old 617s we know and love so they can make their political statement on a low budget and drive it around on Biofuels. the exception would be the modern higher-performance models; their problem is that they seem to appeal to the same sort of drivers that participate in the same sort of driving styles exhibited most commonly by the BMW, Audi, and later Saab drivers. personally, i bought a brand-new Volvo some years ago on the basis of its performance specs on paper, and while it returned great power and fuel economy it was so cost-intensive to keep in proper trim that i was happy to take the loss to get out of it less than 2 years later. cheers! e Zoltan Finks wrote: I would guess that the Volvo drivers that are so crummy are the young folk whose parents have bestowed upon them their Swedish safety mobile. Unless you are talking about drivers of newer high-end Volvos which drive about the same as those who pilot newer Audis (in an entitled and irresponsible fashion). I find that here in Southeastern Minnesota, the worst drivers tend to be behind the wheel of Pontiac Grand something-or-others, Saturns and newer Monte Carlos and Luminas. (in other words, young white trash). This is not to mention the road-owning operators of full-sized 4x4s. On the other end of the spectrum, you have the drivers in a certain town I pass through on my commute, where the overwhelming vehicle of choice is the Buick. I know I'm going to be late when one of these slowly enters the roadway in front of me from a side street. As far as safe drivers: as long as laziness and selfishness rule (which will be always), driving will continue to be a losing proposition. Accidents are when - not if. Makes caring about your vehicle a losing proposition as well. Brian Who analyzes this, did you notice? Alan wrote: I've always found Volvo drivers to be among the worst...at least in my locality. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
I would guess that the Volvo drivers that are so crummy are the young folk whose parents have bestowed upon them their Swedish safety mobile. Unless you are talking about drivers of newer high-end Volvos which drive about the same as those who pilot newer Audis (in an entitled and irresponsible fashion). I find that here in Southeastern Minnesota, the worst drivers tend to be behind the wheel of Pontiac Grand something-or-others, Saturns and newer Monte Carlos and Luminas. (in other words, young white trash). This is not to mention the road-owning operators of full-sized 4x4s. On the other end of the spectrum, you have the drivers in a certain town I pass through on my commute, where the overwhelming vehicle of choice is the Buick. I know I'm going to be late when one of these slowly enters the roadway in front of me from a side street. As far as safe drivers: as long as laziness and selfishness rule (which will be always), driving will continue to be a losing proposition. Accidents are when - not if. Makes caring about your vehicle a losing proposition as well. Brian Who analyzes this, did you notice? Alan wrote: I've always found Volvo drivers to be among the worst...at least in my locality. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would guess that the Volvo drivers that are so crummy are the young folk whose parents have bestowed upon them their Swedish safety mobile. Unless you are talking about drivers of newer high-end Volvos which drive about the same as those who pilot newer Audis (in an entitled and irresponsible fashion). That's it, exactly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. Do they break it down by marque? I've always found Volvo drivers to be among the worst...at least in my locality. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
My son and his wife live in Columbia, SC. Doubt they would argue with that ranking. I was there a couple of weeks ago and almost got clobbered by a guy turning across two lanes of traffic into my lane about the time I was getting there. Fortunately there was no one in the other lane so we didn't get a chance to meet BillR Jacksonville FL - home of very friendly drivers [but not necessarily safe ones] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list,
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
I have to agree. Having driven in Boston, DC, Jax, and now Des Moines, Des Moines drivers go just as fast, but they do signal intentions and look over the shoulder before starting to cut in. I find that the jerks on I-80 / I-35 / I-235 have out-of-state plates, normally Oklahoma. On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
Jersey City: the guy you are cutting off might be a Mafia Don. New York City: they catch a break after 9/11. Yonkers: manners in honor of the department store by the same name. San Fran: well, you know. On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the safest drivers in the country? A new magazine ranking says Des Moines, Iowa. But the cities that follow on the list from Men's Health Magazine may be somewhat puzzling. After Des Moines are Jersey City, New Jersey; New York City; Yonkers, New York, and San Francisco. And where are the worst drivers? Columbia, South Carolina,leads the list, followed by St. Louis; Greensboro, North Carolina; Jackson, Mississippi, and Cheyenne, Wyoming. The survey used data from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Allstate Insurance and the Governors Highway Safety Association to rank 100 cities. The key factors in deciding the rankings include the total number of fatal accidents and fatal crashes caused by speeding. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don The Crazy Coastie
Re: [MBZ] OT: cities with the safest drivers
You didn't know that Texas' leading export is no longer oil? Now it's just bad manners... Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 4/5/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ummm - I see that in cars with Texas tags ---
