Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Fmiser wrote: Uhh. He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost. In otherwords, a dead end. None of those will ever load anything. I don't think that's what you did in the schools A lot of schools block, or should block, facebook. I know my niece's high school does. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
I think apple's decision to ban flash on the ipad/iphone is a good one. It is a pig. Flash was bad when it came out, and has never gotten any better. I generally don't allow flash to load, and quickly leave websites that require flash, unless there is something non-flash that is interesting. Interesting you say that. About every week the Flash updater wants to update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities. Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do various things. --R (who thought macs just worked) On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Adobe products are mildly annoying as are some websites who rely on them. Just yesterday T-Mobile sent me an mail saying my bill was ready. I had to download and install a new version of Acrobat Reader just to look at the bill and then I couldn't save it because of the way they created it. Normally on a Mac you can save as a PDF, or when you click Print, you can Print to PDF. However, this version of Acrobat expressly prohibits it. I complained to T-Mobile and am waiting their response. seems to be a feature of the latest version of actobat. Must have been required for a goobermint contract, as all the goobermint websites seem to now have this feature You can't print normally, If the acrappy (adby?) reader shows you a little print icon, you can print, but not save that way. It seems that the print icon can be turned on or off by the creator. if they forget to add it, you get a form you can;t print, and can't save. totally worthless. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Dieselhead wrote: I think apple's decision to ban flash on the ipad/iphone is a good one. It is a pig. Flash was bad when it came out, and has never gotten any better. I generally don't allow flash to load, and quickly leave websites that require flash, unless there is something non-flash that is interesting. What's fun is when you go to an auto manufacturer's home page, and the whole thing is one giant flash, with no obvious 'click here for html' to be seen. Do they want to sell you a car, or just piss you off? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Exactly. When little Johnny wants to go to Pandora to listen to music instead of study or do research, we need to find a way to prevent him from accessing it. Hosts files are the perfect means of doing this, which is exactly why we use them. Easy to update and change, easy to manage. Dan On May 23, 2012, at 10:17 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:45:46 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools... Yes, indeed, but note the IPs he's assigned to them; a request for facebook anything doesn't leave his box. Craig On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
We do, along with many other social networking sites. It's all part of CIPA, which affects out eligibility for Federal funds. We use hosts files regularly to selectively filter sites that may not be objectionable but are distracting. Dan On May 24, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Fmiser wrote: Uhh. He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost. In otherwords, a dead end. None of those will ever load anything. I don't think that's what you did in the schools A lot of schools block, or should block, facebook. I know my niece's high school does. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Firefox is a pig. Any reason you are not just using Safari? Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) with a 2TB connected for backups. The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which always seems to run). I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular). This seems to have become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to what they should be. I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not clear why or what it is doing. Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down) Free 2.14GB Wired 430.0 MB Active 976MB Inactive 497.2 MB Used 1.86GB CPU is showing %User 0.75 %System 0.50 % Idle 97.38 385 threads, 68 processes I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile Any thoughts? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Type 'top -u' (no quotes) in Terminal to view the processor hog(s). If you want to keep FF, keep add-ons to a bare minimum. Ditto the number of open tabs. Restarting the browser often/daily will keep the memory leaks in check. FFs ad blockers are fabulous when they work but make some sites appear to hang. Dave SoCal - '82 240D (3 pedal), '84 300TD (Euro), '85 300TD (Cali) On May 23, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Firefox is a pig. Any reason you are not just using Safari? Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) with a 2TB connected for backups. The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which always seems to run). I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular). This seems to have become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to what they should be. I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not clear why or what it is doing. Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down) Free 2.14GB Wired 430.0 MB Active 976MB Inactive 497.2 MB Used 1.86GB CPU is showing %User 0.75 %System 0.50 % Idle 97.38 385 threads, 68 processes I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile Any thoughts? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use Google Chrome. Apple's own Preview app is usually what bogs my system down. When I hear the fans speed up, I usually need to restart Preview. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Dave Cavner w123wa...@gmail.com wrote: Type 'top -u' (no quotes) in Terminal to view the processor hog(s). If you want to keep FF, keep add-ons to a bare minimum. Ditto the number of open tabs. Restarting the browser often/daily will keep the memory leaks in check. FFs ad blockers are fabulous when they work but make some sites appear to hang. Dave SoCal - '82 240D (3 pedal), '84 300TD (Euro), '85 300TD (Cali) On May 23, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Firefox is a pig. Any reason you are not just using Safari? Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) with a 2TB connected for backups. The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which always seems to run). I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular). This seems to have become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to what they should be. I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not clear why or what it is doing. Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down) Free 2.14GB Wired 430.0 MB Active 976MB Inactive 497.2 MB Used 1.86GB CPU is showing %User 0.75 %System 0.50 % Idle 97.38 385 threads, 68 processes I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile Any thoughts? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
FB could be hogging system resources under FF. How many additional do-dads have you got FF running? The more plug ins, the more it will hog. There are also bound to be things FB is hooking into and not letting go of when you log out. As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky. Might be good to reboot every month or so. Also good to do some system clean up of preferences and things with disk tools clay On May 23, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) with a 2TB connected for backups. The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which always seems to run). I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular). This seems to have become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to what they should be. I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not clear why or what it is doing. Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down) Free 2.14GB Wired 430.0 MB Active 976MB Inactive 497.2 MB Used 1.86GB CPU is showing %User 0.75 %System 0.50 % Idle 97.38 385 threads, 68 processes I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile Any thoughts? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use Google Chrome. Safari and Chrome are just a different UI over WebKit. I would be surprised if there was a significant difference in processor/resouce utilization. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
If that was the case they would always display pages the same, which they don't. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: I never use Firefox - I use Safari and if I run into problems I use Google Chrome. Safari and Chrome are just a different UI over WebKit. I would be surprised if there was a significant difference in processor/resouce utilization. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
On May 23, 2012 5:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky. Might be good to reboot every month or so. Also good to do some system clean up of preferences and things with disk tools Blah blah blah Windows. Linux FTW! :) -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Agreed. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On May 23, 2012 5:58 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: As time goes on, the processes build up and become more sticky. Might be good to reboot every month or so. Also good to do some system clean up of preferences and things with disk tools Blah blah blah Windows. Linux FTW! :) -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: Blah blah blah Windows. We're talking about an iMac though. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
On May 23, 2012 3:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. Facebook has a lot of Javascript and other junk. I get the feeling they don't vet ads very well either. Moral of the story, stay off Facebook. :) Seriously, an application consuming lots of memory isn't a problem unless you have other applications getting memory starved, or swapping. On my old lab computer I often had dozens of tabs open in both Opera and Firefox, and as long as I didn't have Facebook up overnight they were perfectly stable until XP did its bimonthly no new windows failure. I don't see any reason to believe OSX, or the OSX FF build, would be less reliable. About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. Still have CPU churn and whatnot, but at least it's theoretically isolated to one process. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes: If that was the case they would always display pages the same, which they don't. Well, WebKit itself is a moving target, and it's probably the case that at any given time, the current Chrome and Safari are often built on slightly different versions of WebKit. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
On May 23, 2012 8:30 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: Blah blah blah Windows. We're talking about an iMac though. Which is why I thought it was funny that Clay was giving the Windows 98 lines about regular rebooting and how you have to clean up things after you've been using them. Not having to do those things are what folks used to say was the big benefit of MacOS! Best, -Tim Has too many computers and not enough Mercedes :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools... Dan On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either. Peter On May 23, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Firefox is a pig. Any reason you are not just using Safari? Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: I have this iMac, it has 4GB of memory and 4 CPUs and 1 TB drive (half empty) with a 2TB connected for backups. The thing runs bog slow sometimes with the spinning wheel, with Thunderbird, Firefox, maybe a Preview doc or two, iTunes, and maybe an iChat and something else running (and Finder, which always seems to run). I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. Nothing else shows much memory or CPU usage If I close FF (and usually I have to do a force quit) and restart it, reload my session, it seems to be fine for awhile. Facebook seems to be the app/page that hangs most, or maybe is causing the problem. I can't decide if FF is buggering things, or some pages that are open in tabs in FF (and FB in particular). This seems to have become more prevalent with the latest versions of FF, I am wondering if they are getting so bloated that they suck up resources way out of proportion to what they should be. I also hear the hard drive banging away when FF is running, but it is not clear why or what it is doing. Here is what memory usage looks like (with FF shut down) Free 2.14GB Wired 430.0 MB Active 976MB Inactive 497.2 MB Used 1.86GB CPU is showing %User 0.75 %System 0.50 % Idle 97.38 385 threads, 68 processes I'll get some numbers after FF has run awhile Any thoughts? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
It is all the crap that makes OSX able to run windows. Unix based OS, unlike winblows. On May 23, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Tim C wrote: On May 23, 2012 8:30 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: Blah blah blah Windows. We're talking about an iMac though. Which is why I thought it was funny that Clay was giving the Windows 98 lines about regular rebooting and how you have to clean up things after you've been using them. Not having to do those things are what folks used to say was the big benefit of MacOS! Best, -Tim Has too many computers and not enough Mercedes :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
On Wed, 23 May 2012 20:45:46 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools... Yes, indeed, but note the IPs he's assigned to them; a request for facebook anything doesn't leave his box. Craig On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 108 kmi '94 E420Oskar 123 kmi '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 265 kmi Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Interesting you say that. About every week the Flash updater wants to update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities. Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do various things. --R (who thought macs just worked) On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Google flash blocker -- I use it all the time, but I'm still running 10.4 here (10.5 if I need to, 10.6 on the MacBook). It keeps Flash off unless you tell it to run, saves lots of CPU time. Flash is probably the worst software out there at the moment, almost as bad as ATM. Must be written in Basic, translated to C (NOT ++) via SQL Server running in Sanskrit, in real time. Huge resource hog for displaying sound and really crappy video. Naturally, it's the industry Standard. Peter On May 23, 2012, at 9:33 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Interesting you say that. About every week the Flash updater wants to update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities. Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do various things. --R (who thought macs just worked) On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com Dan Penoff wrote: Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools... Uhh. He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost. In otherwords, a dead end. None of those will ever load anything. I don't think that's what you did in the schools -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT OK you apple geeks
Adobe products are mildly annoying as are some websites who rely on them. Just yesterday T-Mobile sent me an mail saying my bill was ready. I had to download and install a new version of Acrobat Reader just to look at the bill and then I couldn't save it because of the way they created it. Normally on a Mac you can save as a PDF, or when you click Print, you can Print to PDF. However, this version of Acrobat expressly prohibits it. I complained to T-Mobile and am waiting their response. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Interesting you say that. About every week the Flash updater wants to update Flash, which of course means going through some various hoops to get the files, approve the update, typing in codes, then shutting down the browser and restarting it, and various other annoying activities. Not sure how to kill Flash as it seems many sites require Flash to do various things. --R (who thought macs just worked) On 5/23/12 10:09 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Safari isn't anything to get excited about, either. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm surprised all you folk who like to heat your home with your server grade equipment just didn't buy and install Websense. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Tim C bb...@crone.us writes: About the only way I know to handle Facebook is Chrome, so when it misbehaves at least you can close just the one tab. On May 23, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I handle facebook like this: $ grep facebook /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 www.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 facebook.com 127.0.0.1 connect.facebook.net 127.0.0.1 facebook.net 127.0.0.1 ads.facebook.com 127.0.0.1 ads.ak.facebook.com Dan Penoff wrote: Nothing like adding your favorite sites to the hosts file that's a simple workaround we used to do in the schools... Uhh. He has them all pointed to 127.0.0.1 - or localhost. In otherwords, a dead end. None of those will ever load anything. I don't think that's what you did in the schools -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: Ditch Flash player, it eats 95% of CPU time while idle. Yeah I always have Flash (actually all plugins) and Java disabled in my browsers. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I get this idea that this is not how it should be. I think it is Firefox that is buggering it, as the system monitor shows FF running over 1GB of memory usage as time goes on, and varying CPU usage up to 80-90+% sometimes. If you kill FF and it's back to normal, then what's the confusion? Whack-a-mole! Try a different browser for awhile. Those Quad G5's are _fast_! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net writes: Try a different browser for awhile. Those Quad G5's are _fast_! Ah I didn't realize it was a PPC mac. If you like FireFox, you might try the G5 build of tenfourfox then http://www.floodgap.com:80/software/tenfourfox/ Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
