Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Order linkage bushings, etc., from Gary at buyeuropharts.com Wilton Or better yet, buy them from the dealer or classic center. There are two. one at the shifter and one at the transmission. I think they are under a buck each at the stealership. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Try in neutral also. I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Best, Tim Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Order linkage bushings, etc., from Gary at buyeuroparts.com or 954 889 5530. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Try in neutral also. I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Best, Tim Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind. On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Order linkage bushings, etc., from Gary at buyeuroparts.com or 954 889 5530. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Try in neutral also. I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.commercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Best, Tim Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind. Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
And have a pair of channel lock pliers handy, or splurge and buy the tool to do them. Getting them in is a real PITA for such a simple little part. Dan On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind. Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S special tool
Done a few of them without special tool, sure not easy but should be better on a 126 than 124 or 201. Hendrik who does not have small hands On 30/06/13 08:59, Dan Penoff wrote: And have a pair of channel lock pliers handy, or splurge and buy the tool to do them. Getting them in is a real PITA for such a simple little part. Dan On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind. Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on the transmission. Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent buzz between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers. Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold the shaft in the grommets. If the grommets are worn or missing that allows a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever. I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets. I have done it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun. I did not have a special tool. I seem to recall warming the grommets to make them more pliable. I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it shot off into who knows where. Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out. These can be replaced from above but you have to remove the center console first. If you disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and replace that grommet from above too. Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Warm/soften the grommets/bushings in hot water. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on the transmission. Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent buzz between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers. Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold the shaft in the grommets. If the grommets are worn or missing that allows a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever. I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets. I have done it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun. I did not have a special tool. I seem to recall warming the grommets to make them more pliable. I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it shot off into who knows where. Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out. These can be replaced from above but you have to remove the center console first. If you disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and replace that grommet from above too. Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
I made a tool to replace the bushings with a nut for electrical conduit (metal), a bolt, large washer, and nut to pull the grommet into place. Worked great - the hardest part was finding it again when I bought yet another car that needed these bushings (all of the MBs I've bought with the exception of the ML have needed them). On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Warm/soften the grommets/bushings in hot water. Wilton - Original Message - From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on the transmission. Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent buzz between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers. Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold the shaft in the grommets. If the grommets are worn or missing that allows a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever. I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets. I have done it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun. I did not have a special tool. I seem to recall warming the grommets to make them more pliable. I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it shot off into who knows where. Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out. These can be replaced from above but you have to remove the center console first. If you disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and replace that grommet from above too. --**-- Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with Trent evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On 6/27/2013 10:37 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! We've (almost) all done it, don't sweat it. Did you get to check the shifter linkage? -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Ease up there pardner! No need to get testy because Craig stated the obvious..he wasn't attacking you. Mike On Jun 28, 2013 11:45 AM, Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: On 6/27/2013 10:37 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:15:00 -0400 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Ease up there pardner! No need to get testy because Craig stated the obvious..he wasn't attacking you. Indeed I was not, sometimes the Okiebenz emailing system does strange things, like sending messages again. As someone else said, though, responding to our postings and letting us know how the advice worked, or just saying, I'll try that, is very helpful. If you never saw the first posting, did you see our replies? Craig Mike On Jun 28, 2013 11:45 AM, Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: On 6/27/2013 10:37 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 117 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (leaking diesel from somewhere in the engine compartment) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
That IS what it's all about. Don't run away. 'Merely a mater of time before you'll have a chance to solve a problem for one or more of the rest of us. I've had to resend a post occasionally, too, if I'm anxious for an answer and don't get one in a day or two. 'Don't know anybody who doesn't need/deserve a bit of prodding sometimes. BTW, I even thought I made a mistake, yesterday, but, as it turns out, I was wrong. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On 6/27/2013 10:37 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On 6/28/2013 10:01 AM, Tim Crone wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! We've (almost) all done it, don't sweat it. Did you get to check the shifter linkage? -Tim No I didn't, Tim. As I said, before I never saw mine post or responses until I resent. Checked archives and didn't find much either--- Thanks for the message, and I think that is good advise. Good place to start. The tranny might be bad, but all the other gears are working so well! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Try in neutral also. I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:15:39 -0400 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Thank you, Tim. I did not save my reply and did not want to re-write it, principally because I have a job interview with Houghton College in 20 minutes. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Jun 28, 2013 10:40 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I have a job interview with Houghton College in 20 minutes. Yay! Good luck! Break a leg! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Our '79 300TD had the same symptoms. It turned out to be the reverse band that required a (not very expensive) adjustment. If the trans is one with the reverse band, I vote for that as the most likely cause. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S I am no expert but a quick googlie suggests it could be the linkage (loose), B3 piston (replaceable), reverse band (if it has that) adjustment, or maybe try a fluid/filter change with some Mobil1 synthetic fluid and see what happens. Might be a fairly easy fix before writing it off. --R On 6/26/13 9:45 AM, Chris N John wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think that's the word I want, anyhow, all of you folks that might once again enlighten us about our quirky, but loveable car. My son just keeps saying get rid of it, sell it to some high-school kid who needs a project. Can't do it! I love driving the old girl! Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. Some times it needed to roll back a bit and then most of the time it would start. Sometimes nothing will work and we have to drive something else until next time she really wants to take us someplace. OK, with warmer weather, it has been better about starting. Then last week we went to town, stopped at Maverik, reversed and came home. Stopped the car off to the side of the driveway to work in the garden a bit, then got into the car, started it (perfect!) and put it in gear to back up. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! NO noise, no warning. Was a bit low on tranny fluid. That hubby refilled, but didn't make a difference in the reverse. So I'm going to go to town this morning and try to remember to park where I don't have to back up! Else I'll be calling on some strong guys to push it back for me so I can come home. Hope someone can give us some ideas and it isn't too terminal! She probably doesn't warrant a new transmission. We changes the filter and fluid a few years back, the fluid isn't dark or burned smelling. HELP! and Thanks for ideas!! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On 28/06/2013 10:38 AM, Chris N John wrote: On 6/27/2013 10:37 PM, Craig wrote: On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig Sorry if I bothered anyone! I never saw the first posting. Thanks for help, I'll just go back to lurking and see what I can learn. You have been a great help in the past and I thought that was what it was all about!! May depend on how your email is set up. I do not see posts that I make either. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
'Hope it went well. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:15:39 -0400 Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John will see it :) Thank you, Tim. I did not save my reply and did not want to re-write it, principally because I have a job interview with Houghton College in 20 minutes. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Hope it went well. Ditto! -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Reverse is the first gear to fail in those transmissions. Sounds like you might need a tranny rebuild. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:40 PM, Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think that's the word I want, anyhow, all of you folks that might once again enlighten us about our quirky, but loveable car. My son just keeps saying get rid of it, sell it to some high-school kid who needs a project. Can't do it! I love driving the old girl! Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. Some times it needed to roll back a bit and then most of the time it would start. Sometimes nothing will work and we have to drive something else until next time she really wants to take us someplace. OK, with warmer weather, it has been better about starting. Then last week we went to town, stopped at Maverik, reversed and came home. Stopped the car off to the side of the driveway to work in the garden a bit, then got into the car, started it (perfect!) and put it in gear to back up. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! NO noise, no warning. Was a bit low on tranny fluid. That hubby refilled, but didn't make a difference in the reverse. So I'm going to go to town this morning and try to remember to park where I don't have to back up! Else I'll be calling on some strong guys to push it back for me so I can come home. Hope someone can give us some ideas and it isn't too terminal! She probably doesn't warrant a new transmission. We changes the filter and fluid a few years back, the fluid isn't dark or burned smelling. HELP! and Thanks for ideas!! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:40:33 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think This is the same email we got about a week ago Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Chris wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! You got three replies to this email when you sent it yesterday morning. I see that you used an address with a different label - but the actual address is the same. If you really want help, don't annoy the list readers by sending the same message multiple times - and answer the replies. -- Philip, trying to help more than the car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
I am no expert but a quick googlie suggests it could be the linkage (loose), B3 piston (replaceable), reverse band (if it has that) adjustment, or maybe try a fluid/filter change with some Mobil1 synthetic fluid and see what happens. Might be a fairly easy fix before writing it off. --R On 6/26/13 9:45 AM, Chris N John wrote: Hello to all of you smart, knowledgeable, Mercedes Gurus! I think that's the word I want, anyhow, all of you folks that might once again enlighten us about our quirky, but loveable car. My son just keeps saying get rid of it, sell it to some high-school kid who needs a project. Can't do it! I love driving the old girl! Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. Some times it needed to roll back a bit and then most of the time it would start. Sometimes nothing will work and we have to drive something else until next time she really wants to take us someplace. OK, with warmer weather, it has been better about starting. Then last week we went to town, stopped at Maverik, reversed and came home. Stopped the car off to the side of the driveway to work in the garden a bit, then got into the car, started it (perfect!) and put it in gear to back up. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! NO noise, no warning. Was a bit low on tranny fluid. That hubby refilled, but didn't make a difference in the reverse. So I'm going to go to town this morning and try to remember to park where I don't have to back up! Else I'll be calling on some strong guys to push it back for me so I can come home. Hope someone can give us some ideas and it isn't too terminal! She probably doesn't warrant a new transmission. We changes the filter and fluid a few years back, the fluid isn't dark or burned smelling. HELP! and Thanks for ideas!! Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
Try in neutral also. I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net wrote: Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick. NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK, then forward? Yep, goes perfect! The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where it should have been. When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
