Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Craig, Hope you're feeling better as time goes on. Sounds like it might take a while... I was amazed at how aggressive they were in dealing with pain when my wife was in the hospital for her hip surgery. Every one of her caregivers, from the nurse to the doctors and PT people, always asked her how her pain was and to rate it on a 1 to 10 scale. No exceptions if she was in pain - more meds. While I guess this is a good thing it was also a little scary to me. I always thought a little pain was good in that it's telling you how things are going, but the minute you experienced pain in this place they were on it. The amount of medication they dispensed for pain was one of the things that sort of scared me, but then again, I rarely even take Tylenol. Every room had a big poster about pain and how to rate it, and to make sure that they knew if you were experiencing pain. Thankfully, she's not in any pain to speak of, and what she does have is related to the actual operation rather than the joint itself. I have her doing laps around the inside of the house in her walker. PT comes three times a week and works her over as well. Dan On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:25:00 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: How is the recovery coming along? 'Hope it's going well. Sometimes I wonder. It's a slow process and today was a painful day. Right after we came back from Arizona, I was able to keep the pain under control with two 500 mg Tylenol three times a day. But now that I have been up more and doing more, I'm substituting one of the two Tylenols with a 5 mg hydrocodone / 500 mg Tylenol. I have to be very careful with what I do; apparently I wasn't careful enough today. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Please be careful; 'can't afford to mess up something. Have ya tried 650mg arthritis Tylenol? 2 to 3 a day have made my days tolerable for about 7 years in overcoming pain of CIDP. For nearly 14 years, I've gone through a LONG list of prescription stuff; only thing that has really helped is IVIG @ 2 weeks and two (sometimes a 3rd one) 650mg Tylenol/day. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:36 PM Subject: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors] On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:25:00 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: How is the recovery coming along? 'Hope it's going well. Sometimes I wonder. It's a slow process and today was a painful day. Right after we came back from Arizona, I was able to keep the pain under control with two 500 mg Tylenol three times a day. But now that I have been up more and doing more, I'm substituting one of the two Tylenols with a 5 mg hydrocodone / 500 mg Tylenol. I have to be very careful with what I do; apparently I wasn't careful enough today. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Doctors and nurses see severe pain every day so they tend to become immune to a patients complaints, and patients often suffer needlessly. IMO keeping an inpatient pain free is a good general policy. It's also good for the hospitals bottom line since the patient will be less apprehensive about future admissions at the same hospital. My guess would be that she was in St. Josephs hospital which in the past was most considerate of patients feelings. Gerry From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Craig, Hope you're feeling better as time goes on. Sounds like it might take a while... I was amazed at how aggressive they were in dealing with pain when my wife was in the hospital for her hip surgery. Every one of her caregivers, from the nurse to the doctors and PT people, always asked her how her pain was and to rate it on a 1 to 10 scale. No exceptions if she was in pain - more meds. While I guess this is a good thing it was also a little scary to me. I always thought a little pain was good in that it's telling you how things are going, but the minute you experienced pain in this place they were on it. The amount of medication they dispensed for pain was one of the things that sort of scared me, but then again, I rarely even take Tylenol. Every room had a big poster about pain and how to rate it, and to make sure that they knew if you were experiencing pain. Thankfully, she's not in any pain to speak of, and what she does have is related to the actual operation rather than the joint itself. I have her doing laps around the inside of the house in her walker. PT comes three times a week and works her over as well. Dan On Apr 24, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Craig wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 23:25:00 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: How is the recovery coming along? 'Hope it's going well. Sometimes I wonder. It's a slow process and today was a painful day. Right after we came back from Arizona, I was able to keep the pain under control with two 500 mg Tylenol three times a day. But now that I have been up more and doing more, I'm substituting one of the two Tylenols with a 5 mg hydrocodone / 500 mg Tylenol. I have to be very careful with what I do; apparently I wasn't careful enough today. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5771 - Release Date: 04/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Oh,, I think it's definitely a good thing - it's just that I was pleased and somewhat surprised by the emphasis placed on pain management. And it was Tampa General. We are pretty hard core about using teaching hospitals - I don't know St. Joseph's, but I do know TGH, and it has an excellent reputation on the teaching side. Dan On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Doctors and nurses see severe pain every day so they tend to become immune to a patients complaints, and patients often suffer needlessly. IMO keeping an inpatient pain free is a good general policy. It's also good for the hospitals bottom line since the patient will be less apprehensive about future admissions at the same hospital. My guess would be that she was in St. Josephs hospital which in the past was most considerate of patients feelings. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Dan Penoff wrote: Oh,, I think it's definitely a good thing - it's just that I was pleased and somewhat surprised by the emphasis placed on pain management. And it was Tampa General. We are pretty hard core about using teaching hospitals - I don't know St. Joseph's, but I do know TGH, and it has an excellent reputation on the teaching side. Here in Michigan, 'government employees' are immune from malpractice suits. Go to a state run teaching hospital, like U of M, and give up your legal rights when you walk in the door. OTOH, if your surgeon at a non teaching hospital just happens to be a part time lecturer at MSU College of Osteopathic Medicine, you lose your rights there too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
Me too. Doctors who teach students how to be doctors have to know what they are doing. They have usually trained at the best medical centers and have impressive CVs which are posted on the hospitals websites. Picking good doctors and good hospitals are a crapshoot for anyone, but choosing a teaching hospital gives a patient the best odds of good treatment in many ways. It's no coincidence that private doctors/hospitals send patients to teaching hospitals when they screw up. Gerrywho worked at TGH 60+ years ago. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Oh,, I think it's definitely a good thing - it's just that I was pleased and somewhat surprised by the emphasis placed on pain management. And it was Tampa General. We are pretty hard core about using teaching hospitals - I don't know St. Joseph's, but I do know TGH, and it has an excellent reputation on the teaching side. Dan On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Doctors and nurses see severe pain every day so they tend to become immune to a patients complaints, and patients often suffer needlessly. IMO keeping an inpatient pain free is a good general policy. It's also good for the hospitals bottom line since the patient will be less apprehensive about future admissions at the same hospital. My guess would be that she was in St. Josephs hospital which in the past was most considerate of patients feelings. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5771 - Release Date: 04/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
We have always sought out higher level care at teaching hospitals for just that reason. When we lived in Indianapolis our care providers were all based out of IU Medical Center, the teaching hospital for Indiana University. The level of care was exemplary for just that reason. Another benefit of being at a teaching hospital is the collective knowledge of the faculty and staff. Your doctor may not know what's up, but they have plenty of resources to tap into to get the information they need. If there was a down side it's the number of people coming through the room all of the time with residents, interns, etc., all making their rounds. My oldest son was born at IU. At the time (1986) birthing centers were all the rage, and all of the suburban hospitals were busy providing the amenities for having your baby in a family environment. When we went to IU to deliver my son, there was ONE baby in the nursery, who was discharged the evening before he was born. When the wife went into labor at 7:00 am the next day, there were two doctors present. I got to assist her anesthetist with her spinal block. Her doctor, who was the chair of OB-GYN at IU was lecturing, so they took her into the delivery room with an assisting physician. When she was about to deliver, her OB-GYN popped in and delivered my son. I would add that there were six (6) nursing students present in the delivery room as well, one of which passed out during the delivery. The doctor yelled at someone to get her out of the room. Because IU Med Center is a group of like eight hospitals, one of which is Riley Children's Hospital, a high risk infant care center, there is always a delivery crew of doctors and NICU nurses with a crash cart at all deliveries. Had there been any problems with my son upon delivery they would have immediately transported him to Riley for care. We had a double (private) room, which I was able to stay in, along with all of our meals. The wife was in for two days after the delivery, and every morning around 6:00 am the nurses from the nursery would come down to take my son to bathe and weigh him. They would never bring him back to the room - he was the only baby in the nursery, so without him they had nothing to do! We would have to go down and claim him and bring him back to the room Dan who has never been a patient in a hospital, thank goodness! On Apr 25, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Me too. Doctors who teach students how to be doctors have to know what they are doing. They have usually trained at the best medical centers and have impressive CVs which are posted on the hospitals websites. Picking good doctors and good hospitals are a crapshoot for anyone, but choosing a teaching hospital gives a patient the best odds of good treatment in many ways. It's no coincidence that private doctors/hospitals send patients to teaching hospitals when they screw up. Gerrywho worked at TGH 60+ years ago. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
'Just gets old and annoying, though, when you have to go through everything one at a time every morning in hosp. with 8 or 10 student doctors who come through at different times. 'Began to feel like I was teaching some of the classes re. my CIDP. 'Began to think about recording my stuff and just turning the recorder on for a replay for each different one coming through. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors] Me too. Doctors who teach students how to be doctors have to know what they are doing. They have usually trained at the best medical centers and have impressive CVs which are posted on the hospitals websites. Picking good doctors and good hospitals are a crapshoot for anyone, but choosing a teaching hospital gives a patient the best odds of good treatment in many ways. It's no coincidence that private doctors/hospitals send patients to teaching hospitals when they screw up. Gerrywho worked at TGH 60+ years ago. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Oh,, I think it's definitely a good thing - it's just that I was pleased and somewhat surprised by the emphasis placed on pain management. And it was Tampa General. We are pretty hard core about using teaching hospitals - I don't know St. Joseph's, but I do know TGH, and it has an excellent reputation on the teaching side. Dan On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Doctors and nurses see severe pain every day so they tend to become immune to a patients complaints, and patients often suffer needlessly. IMO keeping an inpatient pain free is a good general policy. It's also good for the hospitals bottom line since the patient will be less apprehensive about future admissions at the same hospital. My guess would be that she was in St. Josephs hospital which in the past was most considerate of patients feelings. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5771 - Release Date: 04/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here in Charleston we have MUSC (Medical University of South Carolina) and we echo all previous sentiments/preferences. Our daughter was born in their children's hospital, exceptionally good care. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
'Same deal with intern at neurologist office at Duke. 'Splain it all in detail to intern and then go through it all again with Dr. Dr. and I agreed that we'd write a book re. my case if he could spare an intern to work on it. I reminded him that I'd split it with ya; I've taken good notes, ya know. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors] 'Just gets old and annoying, though, when you have to go through everything one at a time every morning in hosp. with 8 or 10 student doctors who come through at different times. 'Began to feel like I was teaching some of the classes re. my CIDP. 'Began to think about recording my stuff and just turning the recorder on for a replay for each different one coming through. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors] Me too. Doctors who teach students how to be doctors have to know what they are doing. They have usually trained at the best medical centers and have impressive CVs which are posted on the hospitals websites. Picking good doctors and good hospitals are a crapshoot for anyone, but choosing a teaching hospital gives a patient the best odds of good treatment in many ways. It's no coincidence that private doctors/hospitals send patients to teaching hospitals when they screw up. Gerrywho worked at TGH 60+ years ago. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Oh,, I think it's definitely a good thing - it's just that I was pleased and somewhat surprised by the emphasis placed on pain management. And it was Tampa General. We are pretty hard core about using teaching hospitals - I don't know St. Joseph's, but I do know TGH, and it has an excellent reputation on the teaching side. Dan On Apr 25, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Doctors and nurses see severe pain every day so they tend to become immune to a patients complaints, and patients often suffer needlessly. IMO keeping an inpatient pain free is a good general policy. It's also good for the hospitals bottom line since the patient will be less apprehensive about future admissions at the same hospital. My guess would be that she was in St. Josephs hospital which in the past was most considerate of patients feelings. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3162/5771 - Release Date: 04/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Recovery [was Re: Paint Colors]
On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:06:49 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Please be careful; 'can't afford to mess up something. That's for sure! But my overdoing it consists of sitting upright at our dining room table and walking in our backyard to take our dog, Ori, out to relieve herself. Fortunately, I can lean back in my computer chair and not be in a lot of pain. Have ya tried 650mg arthritis Tylenol? 2 to 3 a day have made my days tolerable for about 7 years in overcoming pain of CIDP. Three times a day, I take 1000 mg of Tylenol. (The maximum safe dosage is 4000 mg Tylenol per day.) Two out of three times I add 5 mg of the narcotic hydrocodone. I think maybe I'm doing more than 650 mg arthritis Tylenol. On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:35:01 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Craig, Hope you're feeling better as time goes on. Sounds like it might take a while... Yes, longer than I first expected. The pain I've been experiencing the last few days isn't directly related to my incision or the hardware they put in (they call it instrumentation, though that word means something completely different to me). It's the muscles on the side above my right shoulder blade that are spasming. Yesterday, I reached out for a can of nuts in our pantry and the stab of pain just about took my breath away. Laying down does help, as does carefully massaging the muscle causing most of the pain. I was amazed at how aggressive they were in dealing with pain when my wife was in the hospital for her hip surgery. Every one of her caregivers, from the nurse to the doctors and PT people, always asked her how her pain was and to rate it on a 1 to 10 scale. No exceptions if she was in pain - more meds. It wasn't quite that extreme in St. Joseph's hospital in Phoenix, but I could ask for meds and was given them. The amount of medication they dispensed for pain was one of the things that sort of scared me, but then again, I rarely even take Tylenol. I could restart my oxys, but I'd rather not. I don't want to get hooked on them and don't want to be plugged up as badly as I was. Thankfully, she's not in any pain to speak of, and what she does have is related to the actual operation rather than the joint itself. I have her doing laps around the inside of the house in her walker. PT comes three times a week and works her over as well. I can walk around without my walker now, but the uneven ground in our backyard jars my neck muscles and starts pain. PT for cervical patients doesn't start until the fusion is assessed at three months. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
