Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Kevin wrote: Someone (Ritter?) had a post somewhere if you search for 126 subframe bushings that detailed making this tool. Sliding fluid or Syl-Glide from NAPA will be your friend in this case. All-thread, washers, nuts. Silicone Spray floor jack. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
At 04:54 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:27:30AM -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: I am preparing to RR the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools version? It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with thrust bearings on the drive nuts. This is the type of tool that will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once the project has begun. JB, I purchased the Klann to do the job on my 201, 201/124 have identical rear suspension with the exception of the differential mount on the 124 being rubber and the 201 having four bolts and no bushings. edit Thanks for the info. I'd love the Klann version of the tool, but according to the Samstag Sales website, it's $556.46. That's a tad steep, even for a tool lover like myself. I'll probably do the links. For the amount of money I'll be putting into it, it would be silly to skimp on the links. I'll try to take pictures. :) J.B. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
tool I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. I believe that you can do this job with big washers and spacers, but with more fooling around. I did it on my wife's SL that way. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
You might look at http://www.toolrage.com/ - they may have the tool also - (although I didn;t see the tool you;re looking for) Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: J.B. Hebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions? I am preparing to RR the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools version? It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with thrust bearings on the drive nuts. This is the type of tool that will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once the project has begun. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
I don't know about that particular SIR tool, but after buying a VE pump timing adapter that was drop shipped directly from the SIR factory and when I opened the box the center rod was seriously bent, when I called them about it, the person on the phone gave me a pile of trash about it being all my fault and I was trying to rip them off etc etc. I got the tool place I ordered it from to refund my money without any problem ( etoolcart.com, good folks ), but after that treatment ( and the cheap lousy tool ) I wouldn't spend another dime with that company. Robert J.B. Hebert wrote: I am preparing to RR the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools version? It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with thrust bearings on the drive nuts. This is the type of tool that will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once the project has begun. Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:27:30AM -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: I am preparing to RR the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools version? It appears to be well made - fully hardened body with thrust bearings on the drive nuts. This is the type of tool that will only get used every once in a great while, but I'd rather spend the money up front that get frustrated with an inferior product once the project has begun. JB, I purchased the Klann to do the job on my 201, 201/124 have identical rear suspension with the exception of the differential mount on the 124 being rubber and the 201 having four bolts and no bushings. Book time is four hours on a 201, I have the job down to about 45 minutes on a 201 using the tool. The Klann is very well built, and I've actually made other use of it (LCA bushings on a 123, believe it or not), but is VERY heavy. Carpal tunnel syndrome really makes this a rough job. Generally speaking, the Klann is the ne plus ultra, and the sir tools is a cheaper knockoff, at least with most other tools. I have never seen the bushing tool, but can only assume similar. IIRC, Rusty will rent you the sir tools one if you don't forsee having another 124/201 in the fleet that you'll need to do this on. I believe the klann set me back around $300, and IIRC I got it new from samstagsales.com. The 'wear item' is the threaded rod. For a quick rundown of the procedure (mind you, this is from a 201, and a 124 might be slightly different), it will be something like: - disconnect rear portion of exhaust, which travels under the subframe - disconnect driveshaft from rear diff at the flex joint. On a 201, this requires loosening the center bearing support - remove wheels (duh) - remove brake calipers and hang them somehow - possibly need to unbolt/loosen the e-brake cable, can't remember - undo bottom bolt for shocks - undo bottom bolt for sway bar link - position floor jack or tranny jack under rear diff and jack up to lightly support weight of diff - unbolt two subframe mounts on one side of car. one is in front of axle, one is behind. Somewhere along the mix, the bolt changed from a 21 or 23mm 6 point head to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] torx, but I can't remember if it is male or female - been a while. Use the jack to slowly lower one side of the subframe. At this point you can decide how much you are doing. If you are just replacing mounts, you can do as the book suggests and do one side at a time. If you are doing everything, I strongly suggest undoing both sides and rolling the subframe out from under the car so you can see what you are replacing and not be on your back. BTDT with the 190D twice, and it was easier with the subframe out of the car. Installation is the reverse of removal, though it will be easiest to jack the subframe up and put pressure on it into the car so that the bolts go in easier. The bolts are tapered (and won't strip), and require some upward force to line up and thread unless you are cheating. Be mindful of the laws of physics, the curiosity of children and pets, and the lack of sense of humor the wife will have while driving you to the ER, and use jack stands ;) If you decide to do the links, the new mounting hardware comes with a bolt that may require an XZN driver. Conveniently enough, this isn't the same size bit as the head bolts. Instead of using the driver like I used on the 87's head, I bought one that slides into a socket wrench, so that I could instead use a gear wrench around it due to clearance issues. The 124 might have more space. IIRC, Dave Meimann has done this on his 124, as has aaron lam. If you end up with a question or two, one of the three of us should be able to help you out. K
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
You must also remove the sensor for the ABS from the diff, else you pull the wires apart. I would definitely remove the subframe completely if replacing links, but there is plenty of room on the W124 for the bushing job in place. Some all-thread rod and some pipe fittings (large) will work for removal/installation tools, I think -- I will be finding out in a few weeks when I try mine! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 05:44:08PM -0500, Peter Frederick wrote: You must also remove the sensor for the ABS from the diff, else you pull the wires apart. Heh. the 190D doesn't have abs ;) Some all-thread rod and some pipe fittings (large) will work for removal/installation tools, I think -- I will be finding out in a few weeks when I try mine! Someone (Ritter?) had a post somewhere if you search for 126 subframe bushings that detailed making this tool. Sliding fluid or Syl-Glide from NAPA will be your friend in this case. K
