Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>
> Or get new downpipes made for it.
>

Manifolds from later car, adapt exhaust pipery?  The catty centers in our
'76 SL were punched out.
Probably long before we got it.


> Interesting now that I think about it: I know of directly and heard of
> numerous instances where 450SLs caught fire due to underhood temps on the
> 1975 models as a result of the “mini-cats” that were put in the exhaust
> pipes just past the headers. I don’t think I ever heard about a W116 doing
> the same.
>

Hot exhast is hot exhaust.  IIRC the fire hazard is D-Jet, which has more
rubber fuel hosery to break down.  If you treat
it like a classic VW, and stay on top of the fuel line maintenance, I don't
think it's any more hazardous than anything else.
The 76 SL was K-Jet, the 75 was D-Jet.  Both had underhood cats.  I know
little about W116, never had one.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
Correct.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 11:22 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> In 1972?
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 2:20 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That would have been the R107. The W116 followed it.
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> >
>> >Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
In 1972?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 2:20 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
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> That would have been the R107. The W116 followed it.
>
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> >
> >Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
That would have been the R107. The W116 followed it.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Oh, the interior is hideous. I love it...


-Curt

On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 12:48:41 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Almost the same car but green x 2.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
>
> I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
> ones numerous times.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
> > there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
> metal,
> > later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
> > to yours?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
> >> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
> >>
> >>>
>  On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Anyway, 1975 and 1976 had the same issue whatever it is/was, so I just
avoid them out of habit.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 1:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hmm. Could be. I have no idea. Maybe the amount of air that could get
> through the grille was higher on the W116, so it ran cooler?
>
> The problem wasn’t really the catalytic converters directly, it was the
> fuel lines that broke down from the excessive heat the “cats” produced.
> They break down, split, leak, whatever, and that gasoline vaporizes and
> catches fire. Boom!
>
> -D
>
> On Oct 20, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> Perhaps because they are closer to the ground?
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 1:20 PM dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> Or get new downpipes made for it.
>
> Interesting now that I think about it: I know of directly and heard of
> numerous instances where 450SLs caught fire due to underhood temps on the
> 1975 models as a result of the “mini-cats” that were put in the exhaust
> pipes just past the headers. I don’t think I ever heard about a W116 doing
> the same.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Must avoid '75 due to cat. converter issues.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You should buy that
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Almost the same car but green x 2.
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
> >>>
>  On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com
> via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
> 
>  I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the
> plastic
>  ones numerous times.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know
> >> whether
> > there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
>  metal,
> > later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what
> >> happened
> > to yours?
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my
> >> '79
> >> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
> >>
> >>>
>  On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Hmm. Could be. I have no idea. Maybe the amount of air that could get through 
the grille was higher on the W116, so it ran cooler?

The problem wasn’t really the catalytic converters directly, it was the fuel 
lines that broke down from the excessive heat the “cats” produced. They break 
down, split, leak, whatever, and that gasoline vaporizes and catches fire. Boom!

-D

On Oct 20, 2023, at 1:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

Perhaps because they are closer to the ground?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 1:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Or get new downpipes made for it.

Interesting now that I think about it: I know of directly and heard of numerous 
instances where 450SLs caught fire due to underhood temps on the 1975 models as 
a result of the “mini-cats” that were put in the exhaust pipes just past the 
headers. I don’t think I ever heard about a W116 doing the same.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Must avoid '75 due to cat. converter issues.
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> You should buy that
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Almost the same car but green x 2.
>>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
>>>
 On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via 
 Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.

 I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
 ones numerous times.

 -D

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know
>> whether
> there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
 metal,
> later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what
>> happened
> to yours?
>
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
>
>>
>> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my
>> '79
>> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
>>
>>>
 On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/

 AZBob

>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Perhaps because they are closer to the ground?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 1:20 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Or get new downpipes made for it.
>
> Interesting now that I think about it: I know of directly and heard of
> numerous instances where 450SLs caught fire due to underhood temps on the
> 1975 models as a result of the “mini-cats” that were put in the exhaust
> pipes just past the headers. I don’t think I ever heard about a W116 doing
> the same.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Must avoid '75 due to cat. converter issues.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> You should buy that
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iFōn
> >>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Almost the same car but green x 2.
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
> >>>
>  On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
> 
>  I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the
> plastic
>  ones numerous times.
> 
>  -D
> 
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know
> >> whether
> > there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
>  metal,
> > later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what
> >> happened
> > to yours?
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my
> >> '79
> >> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
> >>
> >>>
>  On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
> 
>  AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Or get new downpipes made for it.

Interesting now that I think about it: I know of directly and heard of numerous 
instances where 450SLs caught fire due to underhood temps on the 1975 models as 
a result of the “mini-cats” that were put in the exhaust pipes just past the 
headers. I don’t think I ever heard about a W116 doing the same.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Must avoid '75 due to cat. converter issues.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You should buy that
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Almost the same car but green x 2.
>>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
>>> 
 On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
 
 I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
 ones numerous times.
 
 -D
 
> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know
>> whether
> there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
 metal,
> later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what
>> happened
> to yours?
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my
>> '79
>> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
 
 AZBob
 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Must avoid '75 due to cat. converter issues.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> You should buy that
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Almost the same car but green x 2.
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
> >>
> >> I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
> >> ones numerous times.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know
> whether
> >>> there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
> >> metal,
> >>> later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what
> happened
> >>> to yours?
> >>>
>  On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my
> '79
>  300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
> 
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
You should buy that 

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> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Almost the same car but green x 2.
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks
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>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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>> 
>> Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
>> 
>> I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
>> ones numerous times.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
>>> there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
>> metal,
>>> later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
>>> to yours?
>>> 
 On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
>>> 
 
 The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
 
> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Almost the same car but green x 2.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000807201136161/?ref=product_details_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.
>
> I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic
> ones numerous times.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
> > there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of
> metal,
> > later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
> > to yours?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
> >> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
> >>
> >>>
>  On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
>  https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?

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> I’m not sure. At one time, some of the older models, which ones I don’t
> recall, had plastic “hinges” of a sort that looked like these. I can’t tell
> for sure from the photo, but these could be the setup.
>
> -D
>
> > On Oct 20, 2023, at 11:07 AM, dan penoff.com  wrote:
> >
> > Seat pads are blown out, which is typical for a car of its age.
> Otherwise, it looks nice, but sorting the fuel system after sitting that
> long isn’t going to be cheap.
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Thanks for sharing, David! Good information for the knowledge base.

I’ve never seen metal hinges that I recall, but I have seen the plastic ones 
numerous times.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
> there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of metal,
> later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
> to yours?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
>> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
 
 AZBob
 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of metal,
later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
to yours?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:

>
> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
>
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >>
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> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
I’m not sure. At one time, some of the older models, which ones I don’t recall, 
had plastic “hinges” of a sort that looked like these. I can’t tell for sure 
from the photo, but these could be the setup.

-D

> On Oct 20, 2023, at 11:07 AM, dan penoff.com  wrote:
> 
> Seat pads are blown out, which is typical for a car of its age. Otherwise, it 
> looks nice, but sorting the fuel system after sitting that long isn’t going 
> to be cheap.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79 300SD 
the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023, at 10:08, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Seat pads are blown out, which is typical for a car of its age. 
> Otherwise, it looks nice, but sorting the fuel system after sitting 
> that long isn’t going to be cheap.
>
> -D
>
>> On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-10-20 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
Seat pads are blown out, which is typical for a car of its age. Otherwise, it 
looks nice, but sorting the fuel system after sitting that long isn’t going to 
be cheap.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-12 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
That point was brought out by the paint supply people I spoke with. EPA
mandated no more paint that used VOC's and the paint companies scrambled to
formulate new systems that could meet the new EPA rules... What they
produced was paints that could meet the "No VOC emissions" rules, but the
new paints do not hold up to the test of time.
Apparently non VOC paints all came out as "low gloss" or "no gloss" so the
new production paint processes all now use a clear coat over the color base
coat... clear paint does not resist sunlight well, so now, after 3 to 5
years, it fails, and your "new car" looks bad and needs a $15,000 paint
job. [$29.95 for the paint, and $14,971.00 in labor to strip the failed
paint.]
To date, no genius has come up with a way to remove the clear coat and
preserve the color coat...

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>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, at 21:36, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
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> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> >
> >> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
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> >>
> >> > yes. in general I don't like clear coat
> >>
> >> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
When I was a kid that was one of my chores: wash and wax dad's car. He bought 
Kit wax, as I recall. He scoffed at car washes, said they didn't get the car 
clean and scratched the paint. Maybe also because when I did the work it was 
free?


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>
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>
>> You probably can’t get the gloss level achieved with a clear coat, I would
>> presume.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Environmental rules on paint? IDK but maybe good single stage paint
>> formulas are not possible or too expensive with water based paint?
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, at 21:36, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> great question. allows them to use cheaper paint?
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>>  yes. in general I don't like clear coat
>> >>>
>> >>> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Craig
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> 
>> > That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the
>> > clear coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for
>> > single stage paint.
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-12 Thread OK Don via Mercedes 
Exactly - the ease of obtaining that great showroom gloss.

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> You probably can’t get the gloss level achieved with a clear coat, I would
> presume.
>
> -D
>
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Environmental rules on paint? IDK but maybe good single stage paint
> formulas are not possible or too expensive with water based paint?
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, at 21:36, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> >> great question. allows them to use cheaper paint?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  yes. in general I don't like clear coat
> >>>
> >>> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 6:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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2023-02-12 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
You probably can’t get the gloss level achieved with a clear coat, I would 
presume.

-D

> On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Environmental rules on paint? IDK but maybe good single stage paint formulas 
> are not possible or too expensive with water based paint?
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, at 21:36, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> great question. allows them to use cheaper paint?
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 yes. in general I don't like clear coat
>>> 
>>> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 6:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the
> clear coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes 
Environmental rules on paint? IDK but maybe good single stage paint formulas 
are not possible or too expensive with water based paint?

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, at 21:36, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> great question. allows them to use cheaper paint?
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > yes. in general I don't like clear coat
>>
>> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 6:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the
>> > > clear coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for
>> > > single stage paint.
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
great question. allows them to use cheaper paint?

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 9:13 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > yes. in general I don't like clear coat
>
> YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 6:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the
> > > clear coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for
> > > single stage paint.
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread Craig via Mercedes 
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 20:59:26 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> yes. in general I don't like clear coat

YES! Why don't manufacturers like single-stage paint anymore?


Craig


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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the
> > clear coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for
> > single stage paint.

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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
yes. in general I don't like clear coat

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 6:26 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the clear
> coat literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for single stage
> paint.
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've had numerous discussions with paint supply folks about the base
> coat /
> > clear coat systems currently being used vs the single stage paint that
> was
> > used on Mercedes for decades and the explanation given was this.
> > "The clear coat acts as a lens that allows sunlight in, which is
> reflected
> > by the base coat back through the clear coat, which is reflective on the
> > back side of its surface, like a mirror. The sunlight energy then bounces
> > back and forth between the undersurface of the clear coat and the upper
> > surface of the base coat trapping the radiant sun energy between the two
> > materials and superheating the clear coat, which causes it to
> self-destruct.
> > Which makes sense to me, when I see just how clear coat paint fails
> rather
> > quickly in Arizona.
> > It is a crap system that is impossible to repair without a complete strip
> > and repaint [in my case, I would only repaint with single stage paint.]
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 3:45 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 10 years? Seems like it takes less than that to get the “patina” from
> the
> >> cars I’ve seen in northern AZ, but that may be for newer ones with more
> >> modern paint that doesn’t seem to hold up as well.
> >>
> >> You would think that with the progress in materials science there would
> be
> >> some developments in a clear coat that had UV resistance???
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is a great example of the "Special Arizona Desert Paint Patina"
> that
> >>> only comes from living parked outside for about 10 years in 125 degree
> >> sun
> >>> heat.
> >>> "Zero rust, air blows cold, or not at all"
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:03 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:56 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > [image: 00U0U_gMiIkb5vqp1z_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> >
> > 1984 Mercedes - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
> > <
> 
> >>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >
> > phoenix.craigslist.org
> > <
> 
> >>
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> >
> >
> > <
> 
> >>
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> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
That makes sense. I hadn’t ever thought about it in that way. So the clear coat 
literally cooks itself. Yes, another good reason for single stage paint.

-D

> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:59 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've had numerous discussions with paint supply folks about the base coat /
> clear coat systems currently being used vs the single stage paint that was
> used on Mercedes for decades and the explanation given was this.
> "The clear coat acts as a lens that allows sunlight in, which is reflected
> by the base coat back through the clear coat, which is reflective on the
> back side of its surface, like a mirror. The sunlight energy then bounces
> back and forth between the undersurface of the clear coat and the upper
> surface of the base coat trapping the radiant sun energy between the two
> materials and superheating the clear coat, which causes it to self-destruct.
> Which makes sense to me, when I see just how clear coat paint fails rather
> quickly in Arizona.
> It is a crap system that is impossible to repair without a complete strip
> and repaint [in my case, I would only repaint with single stage paint.]
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 3:45 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 10 years? Seems like it takes less than that to get the “patina” from the
>> cars I’ve seen in northern AZ, but that may be for newer ones with more
>> modern paint that doesn’t seem to hold up as well.
>> 
>> You would think that with the progress in materials science there would be
>> some developments in a clear coat that had UV resistance???
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is a great example of the "Special Arizona Desert Paint Patina" that
>>> only comes from living parked outside for about 10 years in 125 degree
>> sun
>>> heat.
>>> "Zero rust, air blows cold, or not at all"
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:03 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.
 
 On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:56 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> [image: 00U0U_gMiIkb5vqp1z_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 
> 1984 Mercedes - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
> <
 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> 
> phoenix.craigslist.org
> <
 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> 
> 
> <
 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
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> Looks like it’s been sandblasted
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
I've had numerous discussions with paint supply folks about the base coat /
clear coat systems currently being used vs the single stage paint that was
used on Mercedes for decades and the explanation given was this.
"The clear coat acts as a lens that allows sunlight in, which is reflected
by the base coat back through the clear coat, which is reflective on the
back side of its surface, like a mirror. The sunlight energy then bounces
back and forth between the undersurface of the clear coat and the upper
surface of the base coat trapping the radiant sun energy between the two
materials and superheating the clear coat, which causes it to self-destruct.
Which makes sense to me, when I see just how clear coat paint fails rather
quickly in Arizona.
It is a crap system that is impossible to repair without a complete strip
and repaint [in my case, I would only repaint with single stage paint.]

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 3:45 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 10 years? Seems like it takes less than that to get the “patina” from the
> cars I’ve seen in northern AZ, but that may be for newer ones with more
> modern paint that doesn’t seem to hold up as well.
>
> You would think that with the progress in materials science there would be
> some developments in a clear coat that had UV resistance???
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > That is a great example of the "Special Arizona Desert Paint Patina" that
> > only comes from living parked outside for about 10 years in 125 degree
> sun
> > heat.
> > "Zero rust, air blows cold, or not at all"
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:03 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:56 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> [image: 00U0U_gMiIkb5vqp1z_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> >>>
> >>> 1984 Mercedes - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
> >>> <
> >>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >>>
> >>> phoenix.craigslist.org
> >>> <
> >>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <
> >>
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
10 years? Seems like it takes less than that to get the “patina” from the cars 
I’ve seen in northern AZ, but that may be for newer ones with more modern paint 
that doesn’t seem to hold up as well.

You would think that with the progress in materials science there would be some 
developments in a clear coat that had UV resistance???

-D 

> On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That is a great example of the "Special Arizona Desert Paint Patina" that
> only comes from living parked outside for about 10 years in 125 degree sun
> heat.
> "Zero rust, air blows cold, or not at all"
> 
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:03 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:56 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> [image: 00U0U_gMiIkb5vqp1z_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>>> 
>>> 1984 Mercedes - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
>>> <
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
>>> 
>>> phoenix.craigslist.org
>>> <
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Looks like it’s been sandblasted
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
That is a great example of the "Special Arizona Desert Paint Patina" that
only comes from living parked outside for about 10 years in 125 degree sun
heat.
"Zero rust, air blows cold, or not at all"

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 11:03 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:56 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > [image: 00U0U_gMiIkb5vqp1z_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> >
> > 1984 Mercedes - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
> > <
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >
> > phoenix.craigslist.org
> > <
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/phoenix-1984-mercedes/7585874366.html
> >
> >
> > <
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

2023-02-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
280SE?  380SE?  Never seen brown velour before.  Kinda like it.

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