Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. True, but defense in depth i.e. multiple layers is never a bad thing, unless you have two layers that are conflicting with each other (e.g. two different software firewalls active on the same machine). I have a router and I also have Windows firewall enabled. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Allan, What you have is probably the best configuration. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 07:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. True, but defense in depth i.e. multiple layers is never a bad thing, unless you have two layers that are conflicting with each other (e.g. two different software firewalls active on the same machine). I have a router and I also have Windows firewall enabled. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Already tried that, with no luck. Did an uninstall and then a full reinstall of Outlook - nothing changed. I use a wireless router, but the one time I really got hit was over that. I was experimenting with my hand held while it was connected to my computer and the virus got in that way. I now have Semantic 10 antivirus [supplied by my wife's employer], but she didn't know we needed it when the virus struck. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable Sorry, I do not believe this. Microsoft had a good time throwing in all kinds of features without ever giving a thought to what that might mean to the security of a box, and the general public has been paying for that for years. I only hope that Apple has not compromised the relatively better security of its Unix base. Of course, they could have. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Oddly enough windows music copy protection is attacked just as much as itunes copy protection even tho 95% of the bought music on the internet is itunes based. So does that mean itunes copy protection is really good, or windows music copy protection really bad? So why don't we see 100X more successful attacks on itunes music protection then? Surely the same argument above would hold? Then again perhaps these statements are from the same folks who think a ford is just like a mercedes. Funny thing is my work mate got hosed for the day as his Ford SHO coolant hose was scored open by a pulley. A *clip* broke that hold the hose away from the pulley. Funny hoses in my mercedes for the most part doesn't need clips to hold hoses away from rotating things, and funny I haven't had a clip just break. Then he asks the Ford dealer for a hose (it's an 97) and told nope go away we don't make those hoses anymore, I'm sure my benz dealer will for a price sell me a hose for the 83, and finally to add insult the auto-zone guys sell him 3 gallons of DexCool (better known as DeathCool, I understand). He is on my advice look for someone to swap it out with Zerex G-05, but in his reading it implies he must flush the block 8 times to remove all the deathcool, of couse most $39.95 flush folks won't do that much work. John 1983 300TDt 371k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 188k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
I have friends who are Oracle developers, friends who are Lynux / MySQL / PHP developers friends who are Windows developers (myself included). And everyone believes his is the best the others are the scum of the earth. This battle of OS's will never be won by any of us. The market will tell us who's systems will win in the long run the market shows Microsoft the long term winner for the past 20 years or so. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable Sorry, I do not believe this. Microsoft had a good time throwing in all kinds of features without ever giving a thought to what that might mean to the security of a box, and the general public has been paying for that for years. I only hope that Apple has not compromised the relatively better security of its Unix base. Of course, they could have. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom wrote:a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy Hi Tom, I need a little more explanation please - I have a ethernet router feeding my desktop and laptop. The Belkin router was configured by Comcast - aalthough we used it straight out of the box for the most part - What more should have been done to be a a properly configured router ? Since I shouldn't need a firewall, do I need an Anti-virus? Can a virus get thru? Eliminating those 2 programs would speed up my systems quite a bit IMO. I kinda understand what you're saying about a router - but if the broadband gets thru why not a hacker? Thanks - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user. I have not heard of the programs you mention. Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big corporate MS Office user? Thanks guys - BillR 1981 300 SD 286k miles, and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed. It will take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to date. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlookreplacement Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am I missing something? I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the middle of having to switch
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user. I have not heard of the programs you mention. Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big corporate MS Office user? Thanks guys - BillR 1981 300 SD 286k miles, and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed. It will take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to date. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Don - I am still somewhat full from the clam basket at Singleton's. Took my sister [from New Hampshire] on Monday and we ate on the porch, prior to visiting the model room and her [not this FL boy] swimming at Jacksonville Beach. God place to know about. I have been wanting to try Linux [I have a years old Linux Red Hat disk somewhere], but really don't have any problems with the XP OS, just the mail send/receive in Outlook when there is mail. Does not seem likely that the OS has much to do with that, be it XP or Linux, and since I have no other problems with the OS I am a bit reluctant to get so deeply into it and end up with the same problem in an OS that I truly know nothing about. I'll try to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what seems to me a drastic change. My fear is that I will end up with a problem I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it fixed. I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the USAF trains folks on Windows. He does seem pretty adept at computers. I am at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair... if you do, come on down. We have the room, and Singleton's is still open. BillR - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
You might try http://wiki.djlizard.net/Dial-a-fix This little utility cured a sound card driver that kept disappearing in my XP laptop. It sounds like it might work in your case also. I'll try to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what seems to me a drastic change. My fear is that I will end up with a problem I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it fixed. I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the USAF trains folks on Windows. He does seem pretty adept at computers. I am at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair... if you do, come on down. We have the room, and Singleton's is still open. BillR -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Vista, Hmm? Can't see it myself. (Sorry) Fred Moir Etc. ad Dieselium - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 16 23:05:58 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HSLUj-0001fQ-UT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:05:58 + Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so718868wra for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr935584wae.1174086347303; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.52.11 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:05:47 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:05:58 - so then i could play online poker through linux? i really can't on os x. On 3/16/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email
