Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
L. Mark Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Microsoft Vista Sales Slip in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller list. In even stronger terms, on March 19 he notes that ThinkEquity has proclaimed Vista to be a Disaster. http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/03/19/microsoft-vista-is-a-disaster-thinkequity-says/ Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
i'd get a mac On 3/16/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I went. Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP. I couldn't use the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way to tell which one I pushed. Back that one went. I then purchased a Toshiba that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM! I ended up buying another Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition. This one required the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade! I figured this was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out. Wifey was having similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the exact same one I have. Her magnification software works with either XP or Vista, so we're OK for a while. The guys at both comp stores we went to said, and I quote, Vista SUCKS Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
Hi Kevin, Just between you me, I think MS needed to sell some more software so they created Vista where a need had not been shown to exist - at least not anything I need. I like MS because I believe their suite of programs that communicated with others at a time when that wasn't a given - *sure*, it was self-serving - because they're in business to make money. But I don't want to be a test dummy for a new OS. Back to Vista - I am reasonably happy with XP. It does just about everything needed even though I'm sure Vista has many enhancements, I doubt they're worth (to me) the cost of buying a new OS and agonizing thru the period of de-bugging. People buying new puters are stuck unless they want to do things the old fashioned way and are willing to install XP in a new puter. Not a bad idea IMHO. Since I still have my XP CD I may go that route if I upgrade. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I went. Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP. I couldn't use the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way to tell which one I pushed. Back that one went. I then purchased a Toshiba that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM! I ended up buying another Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition. This one required the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade! I figured this was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out. Wifey was having similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the exact same one I have. Her magnification software works with either XP or Vista, so we're OK for a while. The guys at both comp stores we went to said, and I quote, Vista SUCKS Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
You can still buy Windows XP here: http://www.softwaremedia.com/category/461.html They are a quality vendor - I've done business with them for years. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 06:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi Kevin, Just between you me, I think MS needed to sell some more software so they created Vista where a need had not been shown to exist - at least not anything I need. I like MS because I believe their suite of programs that communicated with others at a time when that wasn't a given - *sure*, it was self-serving - because they're in business to make money. But I don't want to be a test dummy for a new OS. Back to Vista - I am reasonably happy with XP. It does just about everything needed even though I'm sure Vista has many enhancements, I doubt they're worth (to me) the cost of buying a new OS and agonizing thru the period of de-bugging. People buying new puters are stuck unless they want to do things the old fashioned way and are willing to install XP in a new puter. Not a bad idea IMHO. Since I still have my XP CD I may go that route if I upgrade. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I went. Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP. I couldn't use the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way to tell which one I pushed. Back that one went. I then purchased a Toshiba that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM! I ended up buying another Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition. This one required the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade! I figured this was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out. Wifey was having similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the exact same one I have. Her magnification software works with either XP or Vista, so we're OK for a while. The guys at both comp stores we went to said, and I quote, Vista SUCKS Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. True, but defense in depth i.e. multiple layers is never a bad thing, unless you have two layers that are conflicting with each other (e.g. two different software firewalls active on the same machine). I have a router and I also have Windows firewall enabled. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
Where SWMBA works, there is a 36 month cycle for upgrading. If it comes with the new OS, that is kept sealed and the prevalent OS is installed/cloned on. When enough hardware has accumulated and IS is happy, there is a big change over to the new OS. Took them until y2k to finally move to win98SE. Still running Win2k, and no expectation of Vista going on any machines until 2012. On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:48 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: not much of a surprise: Lets see: $130 for a full version of OSX, or $300-400 for a poor imitation? This article is from Jan 4, 2007 Information Week: 1. Editor's Note: Vista Lagging, XP Unflagging Cost of upgrading to business versions of Vista: $199, $299, or $399, depending on which edition you choose. Cost of staying with Windows XP? Apparently priceless. That's one logical conclusion based on the stories that InformationWeek readers are clicking on fast and furiously these days. Take two of our most popular stories this week (both by Fred Langa): http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0Ebl50EPXP's No-Reformat, Nondestructive Total-Rebuild Option, in which Langa shows you how to completely rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation without losing data or having to reinstall user software, reformat, or otherwise destructively alter the setup; and http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAF0EMXP On Your Thumb Drive, in which he offers a step-by-step guide on how to boot XP from an ordinary USB drive. These stories about an old operating system are no spring chickens themselves: The first was published seven months ago, and the latter a full year ago. Perennial news about what appears might be a perennial operating system. The XP lovefest doesn't stop there. This week we also published Bill O'Brien's very helpful hands-on piece http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAG0ENMake Mine Media: How To Upgrade To Windows Media Center Edition, in which he berates Microsoft for only releasing Windows XP MCE to OEMsand shows you how to turn your XP PC into a full-fledged media center. XP MCE! You can just hear the crowds chanting. And the seemly inexhaustible delight that pollsters take in asking CIOs about their Vista upgrade plans continued this week with Deutsche Bank Equity Research surveying IT chiefs about their 2007 plans. The majority (63.6%) say they have absolutely no intention of upgrading to either Vista or Office 2007 in 2007. Only 10% definitely say they will upgrade to Vista this year. Sounds like it's XP for dinner again tonight. What do you think? If you're not thoroughly exhausted from being asked about your Vista plans, give us your opinion by responding to http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/ n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAH0EOmy entry in the InformationWeek Weblog. Alice LaPlante mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -2007[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.informationweek.com AND, Information Week has had a LOT of articles about how Windows users are going to Mac. I myself have moved to an ibook with a windows remote desktop client on it. Does everything I need on the road, for a small price and a very small and light unit. And as a bonus, the 4-5 year old iboook still lasts twice as long on a battery charge as any windows laptop I have ever seen or used. THe Macbook is awesome SWMBO has a Macbook with both OSX and XP Pro. It is flat out the best value in a windows laptop! At 08:13 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Allan, What you have is probably the best configuration. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 07:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. True, but defense in depth i.e. multiple layers is never a bad thing, unless you have two layers that are conflicting with each other (e.g. two different software firewalls active on the same machine). I have a router and I also have Windows firewall enabled. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Already tried that, with no luck. Did an uninstall and then a full reinstall of Outlook - nothing changed. I use a wireless router, but the one time I really got hit was over that. I was experimenting with my hand held while it was connected to my computer and the virus got in that way. I now have Semantic 10 antivirus [supplied by my wife's employer], but she didn't know we needed it when the virus struck. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable Sorry, I do not believe this. Microsoft had a good time throwing in all kinds of features without ever giving a thought to what that might mean to the security of a box, and the general public has been paying for that for years. I only hope that Apple has not compromised the relatively better security of its Unix base. Of course, they could have. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
So how come every 20 minutes I have to download some patch or fix or whatever for XtraPoo? Guess Gates and Co missed the bus and misjudged what the people want from a OS, less bling and more reliability is what is needed. One day I'll change over to... - Original Message - From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers I think the hype outpaced reality. I bought XP after it was out for a year or more so the bugs were resolved.
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Oddly enough windows music copy protection is attacked just as much as itunes copy protection even tho 95% of the bought music on the internet is itunes based. So does that mean itunes copy protection is really good, or windows music copy protection really bad? So why don't we see 100X more successful attacks on itunes music protection then? Surely the same argument above would hold? Then again perhaps these statements are from the same folks who think a ford is just like a mercedes. Funny thing is my work mate got hosed for the day as his Ford SHO coolant hose was scored open by a pulley. A *clip* broke that hold the hose away from the pulley. Funny hoses in my mercedes for the most part doesn't need clips to hold hoses away from rotating things, and funny I haven't had a clip just break. Then he asks the Ford dealer for a hose (it's an 97) and told nope go away we don't make those hoses anymore, I'm sure my benz dealer will for a price sell me a hose for the 83, and finally to add insult the auto-zone guys sell him 3 gallons of DexCool (better known as DeathCool, I understand). He is on my advice look for someone to swap it out with Zerex G-05, but in his reading it implies he must flush the block 8 times to remove all the deathcool, of couse most $39.95 flush folks won't do that much work. John 1983 300TDt 371k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 188k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
I have friends who are Oracle developers, friends who are Lynux / MySQL / PHP developers friends who are Windows developers (myself included). And everyone believes his is the best the others are the scum of the earth. This battle of OS's will never be won by any of us. The market will tell us who's systems will win in the long run the market shows Microsoft the long term winner for the past 20 years or so. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable Sorry, I do not believe this. Microsoft had a good time throwing in all kinds of features without ever giving a thought to what that might mean to the security of a box, and the general public has been paying for that for years. I only hope that Apple has not compromised the relatively better security of its Unix base. Of course, they could have. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom wrote:a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy Hi Tom, I need a little more explanation please - I have a ethernet router feeding my desktop and laptop. The Belkin router was configured by Comcast - aalthough we used it straight out of the box for the most part - What more should have been done to be a a properly configured router ? Since I shouldn't need a firewall, do I need an Anti-virus? Can a virus get thru? Eliminating those 2 programs would speed up my systems quite a bit IMO. I kinda understand what you're saying about a router - but if the broadband gets thru why not a hacker? Thanks - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers-hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, I recommend uninstalling the application. If uninstalliing resolves the issue then I'd push for a full refund or a solution. One real issue with Windows is the continued poor quality of some software vendors. Another real issue with Windows is computer owners installing multiple anti-virus firewall programs. Neither of these issues are Mocrosoft or Windows fault. By the way, if you have a router installed then you don't need a firewall, not even Windows firewall because a properly configured hardware router is the best firewall you can buy. Why? Because the bad guys can't reach through the box to your machine. Plus, the firewall is away from your machine. With a software firewall, the bad guys are already inside your machine and you are depending on the firewall to keep them from going further. But Symantec the other software jockeys won't tell you this because they would sell less worthless software. Anti-virus software is a different story. By the way, Windows is attacked so frequently because it's 80% of the install base. Apple is just as vulnerable and Lynux is more vulnerable but the virus writers don't bother. They are much happier attacking the 80% install base. If the roles were reversed and Lunux or Apple were on top then everyone would be bashing that OS for its vulnerabilities. Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com Original Message From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/16/07 01:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every
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You can buy a brand new Compaq with AMD 2 gig processor running Vista at Staples for $600. It's actually a very nice PC. I bought oneTook it back after a few days as I am so used to my IBM laptop that the Compaq was a pain to learn and not fast enough to make it worth it to me to keep the upgrade. IBM has this little mouse thing in the middle of the keyboard that makes it so nice.Almost no movement at all to mouse and it is very compact. Mike - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle. Looks like just weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent in as recycling at RE-PC. The south store has a PC running vista for the low price of $700. Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out for a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it. I wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being junked since the OS is such junk -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 3/15/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can buy a brand new Compaq with AMD 2 gig processor running Vista at Staples for $600. It's actually a very nice PC. I bought oneTook it back after a few days as I am so used to my IBM laptop that the Compaq was a pain to learn and not fast enough to make it worth it to me to keep the upgrade. IBM has this little mouse thing in the middle of the keyboard that makes it so nice.Almost no movement at all to mouse and it is very compact. Mike The mouse stick, I used to have one of the old IBM tank keyboards that you could do pretty much anything to and they would still work that had that mouse stick in the center of it. *sobs* I loved that keyboard. But 400 tons of junk on top of anything in a move will destroy it. -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
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Microsoft Vista Sales Slip in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes: The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for the entire PC supply chain. “Tech bulls expected Microsoft’s new operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,” Hickey writes in his newsletter. “The PC industry built up inventory in anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that Vista’s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers, was far chiller than almost anyone imagined…Instead of a Vista pickup, it looks we’ve entered a Vista stall.” We've made the same point several times over the past few months, twice last month alone. And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers -- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31). What really must burn Ballmer Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.) considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of Microsoft's. . . . Source: Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com Eric Savitz Barron's blog February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/ windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/ On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Redghost wrote: Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle. Looks like just weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent in as recycling at RE-PC. The south store has a PC running vista for the low price of $700. Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out for a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it. I wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being junked since the OS is such junk
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:29:04 -0400 Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *sobs* I loved that keyboard. But 400 tons of junk on top of anything in a move will destroy it. So that's how you personify your last name? :-) Craig
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I'm not surprised, actually. The hype MS blows about their OS has always been quite out of proportion to the usefulness of the product, and their prices are, well, extreme. If they sold it for $50 and got rid of the stupid you have to be on line and let us check your computer every week) I MIGHT be interested -- I got off the Microsoft wagon about Windows 95. Switched back to Apple, and will use Linux if I have to use a PC box. I only use their office software because I'm forced to, it's not all that great (I've been a registered WP user since 1986). At long last, I think people are actually thinking about what they are doing, and Vista is just a pretty face upgrade -- the kernel is, just like OS X, the Mach 10 from BSD. $399 for a pretty screen? Not bloody likely. Funny that we are all using an OS first written in 1965. Peter
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http://www.openoffice.org does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:54:44 -0600, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not surprised, actually. The hype MS blows about their OS has always been quite out of proportion to the usefulness of the product, and their prices are, well, extreme. If they sold it for $50 and got rid of the stupid you have to be on line and let us check your computer every week) I MIGHT be interested -- I got off the Microsoft wagon about Windows 95. Switched back to Apple, and will use Linux if I have to use a PC box. I only use their office software because I'm forced to, it's not all that great (I've been a registered WP user since 1986). At long last, I think people are actually thinking about what they are doing, and Vista is just a pretty face upgrade -- the kernel is, just like OS X, the Mach 10 from BSD. $399 for a pretty screen? Not bloody likely. Funny that we are all using an OS first written in 1965. Peter -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) head case? '83 300SD (242 kmi) for sale '82 300CD (163 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine '85 300D (280,176) parts car
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not much of a surprise: Lets see: $130 for a full version of OSX, or $300-400 for a poor imitation? This article is from Jan 4, 2007 Information Week: 1. Editor's Note: Vista Lagging, XP Unflagging Cost of upgrading to business versions of Vista: $199, $299, or $399, depending on which edition you choose. Cost of staying with Windows XP? Apparently priceless. That's one logical conclusion based on the stories that InformationWeek readers are clicking on fast and furiously these days. Take two of our most popular stories this week (both by Fred Langa): http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0Ebl50EPXP's No-Reformat, Nondestructive Total-Rebuild Option, in which Langa shows you how to completely rebuild, repair, or refresh an existing XP installation without losing data or having to reinstall user software, reformat, or otherwise destructively alter the setup; and http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAF0EMXP On Your Thumb Drive, in which he offers a step-by-step guide on how to boot XP from an ordinary USB drive. These stories about an old operating system are no spring chickens themselves: The first was published seven months ago, and the latter a full year ago. Perennial news about what appears might be a perennial operating system. The XP lovefest doesn't stop there. This week we also published Bill O'Brien's very helpful hands-on piece http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAG0ENMake Mine Media: How To Upgrade To Windows Media Center Edition, in which he berates Microsoft for only releasing Windows XP MCE to OEMsand shows you how to turn your XP PC into a full-fledged media center. XP MCE! You can just hear the crowds chanting. And the seemly inexhaustible delight that pollsters take in asking CIOs about their Vista upgrade plans continued this week with Deutsche Bank Equity Research surveying IT chiefs about their 2007 plans. The majority (63.6%) say they have absolutely no intention of upgrading to either Vista or Office 2007 in 2007. Only 10% definitely say they will upgrade to Vista this year. Sounds like it's XP for dinner again tonight. What do you think? If you're not thoroughly exhausted from being asked about your Vista plans, give us your opinion by responding to http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/DM/y/n3EQ0GMfjL0G4n0EyAH0EOmy entry in the InformationWeek Weblog. Alice LaPlante mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.informationweek.com AND, Information Week has had a LOT of articles about how Windows users are going to Mac. I myself have moved to an ibook with a windows remote desktop client on it. Does everything I need on the road, for a small price and a very small and light unit. And as a bonus, the 4-5 year old iboook still lasts twice as long on a battery charge as any windows laptop I have ever seen or used. THe Macbook is awesome SWMBO has a Macbook with both OSX and XP Pro. It is flat out the best value in a windows laptop! At 08:13 PM 3/15/2007, you wrote: Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle. Loren Faeth From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 16 04:14:43 2007 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HS3pz-0006Qb-5W for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:14:43 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id s.c14.12d7783e (58550) for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:14:36 EDT To: mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 308 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OSX X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:14:44 - 10.4.9. Tuesday. RLE ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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I think the hype outpaced reality. I bought XP after it was out for a year or more so the bugs were resolved. I still use Office Pro (includes Access) 97 which MS no longer supports. I also have Open Office loaded on my machines but I have gotten so accustomered to some of the tweaks MS built into Office '97 that I haven't fully embraced Open. Office. There's a few things I have come to depend upon which I really use - but they don't exist in OO I doubt there's anything in Vista I cannot live without - also, MS gets more more intrusive with each new issue. It's like the gov't - created to serve *us* but has been bastardized to the point where *we* serve it. I used to dislike Messenger until I learned how to disable it. But, IMHO, things like that should be offered to the user and the default should be havng it turned off with instructions for how to turn it on if we decide it's something we want to try --- It's hard enough to keep these darn things running at s reasonable speed without having the OS add things that run in the background. Have a nice weekend -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: L. Mark Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers Microsoft Vista Sales Slip in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes: The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for the entire PC supply chain. “Tech bulls expected Microsoft’s new operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,” Hickey writes in his newsletter. “The PC industry built up inventory in anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that Vista’s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers, was far chiller than almost anyone imagined…Instead of a Vista pickup, it looks we’ve entered a Vista stall.” We've made the same point several times over the past few months, twice last month alone. And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers -- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31). What really must burn Ballmer Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.) considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of Microsoft's. . . . Source: Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com Eric Savitz Barron's blog February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/ windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/ On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:13 PM, Redghost wrote: Seems that folks are not happy with Vista in Seattle. Looks like just weeks after launch, M$'s new OS is being offered on hardware sent in as recycling at RE-PC. The south store has a PC running vista for the low price of $700. Dude must have gotten it home and tore his hair out for a week, then took it to the shop, paid his $10 to get rid of it. I wonder how long before there are a stack of unhappy computers being junked since the OS is such junk ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Proving that tech bulls are idiots. Every real computer tech in the WORLD knew how this was going to play out. In my office for instance we just finished rolling out XP to every desktop machine (I've had it for years of course). There is no way we're going to turn around and start rolling in Vista just because it exists... ESPECIALLY since Vista Enterprise STILL includes that horrifying Windows Genuine Advantage horsecrap. At least with our corporate copy of XP you don't have to activate... -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:22:59 -0400 From: L. Mark Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Microsoft Vista Sales Slip in Digital Media | Tech | Web/Tech Barron's Eric Savitz (Tech Trader Daily) notes that Windows' Vista isn't exactly lighting it up over at Amazon's Software best seller list. Quoting Fred Hickey, Savitz observes: The real point here is that the slow uptake for Vista has ripples for the entire PC supply chain. ?Tech bulls expected Microsoft?s new operating system, Vista, to be a big demand driver in 2007,? Hickey writes in his newsletter. ?The PC industry built up inventory in anticipation of a major upgrade cycle. However, we now know that Vista?s intial reception, from both business and consumer customers, was far chiller than almost anyone imagined?Instead of a Vista pickup, it looks we?ve entered a Vista stall.? We've made the same point several times over the past few months, twice last month alone. And Vista? At the moment, its #37 on the Amazon Software Best Sellers -- behind such huge sellers such as Dragon Naturally Speaking Speech Recognition (14), Microsoft Streets and Trips 2007 (22), and Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing Deluxe (31). What really must burn Ballmer Co. is that Vista at #37 is one place behind #36 -- Apple's latest OS upgrade (Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.6.) considering that Apple's installed base is less than 4% of Microsoft's. . . . Source: Windows Vista: Not Exactly Selling Like Hotcakes At Amazon.com Eric Savitz Barron's blog February 27, 2007, 4:28 pm http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2007/02/27/ windows-vista-not-exactly-selling-like-hotcakes-at-amazoncom/ - 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 16 12:23:42 2007 Received: from firewall.adsmr.co.za ([196.7.33.146] helo=adsmail.adsmr.co.za) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HSBTC-0006yU-2M for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:42 + Received: from Adsmail.adsmr.co.za by adsmail.adsmr.co.za via smtpd (for [69.50.193.222] [69.50.193.222]) with ESMTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:15:49 +0200 Received: from simmail.Adsintranet.Corp ([172.21.9.3]) by ADSMAIL.Adsintranet.Corp with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:22:34 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:22:30 +0200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Parts Database Thread-Index: AcdnwdXZqL7SAMhNRziELVmbhNF2lwAA5HdA From: Peter Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 12:22:35.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[C741E070:01C767C5] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Parts Database X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:42 - Has anyone got a parts database running for their merc parts? I maintain mine on Excel but its becoming a bit overwhelming with some 600parts listed I have purchased with Price history and inventory levels. I'd be keen to hear from someone who has bought /de signed a suitable database. PEter
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlook replacement
Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am I missing something? I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my computer time is emails. It is helpful to be able to share calendars with my wife [at her office] and my MiL in her attached apartment. Any suggestions? BillR - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers http://www.openoffice.org does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlook replacement
BillR wrote: Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. Lee Email is protected by DesertGate Spam Filter http://www.desertgate.com
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The company I contract with has just gotten moved up to XP from 2000 on our new computers -- seems a lot of the corporation wide software didn't run on XP, and believe me, getting custom written software onto a new platform ain't fast or easy! No one cares, actually, what system they are running -- the days when a new OS actually had real run time or operability improvements are long gone. Usually, you cannot run the new OS on your old hardware because the video is too slow or doesn't have enough memory, and the bloatware now requires vast amounts of RAM. We are putting safety data, recording process data, and generating reports, all of which is totally independent of what the screen looks like. The tech people weren't excited at XP at all, having taken several years to get NT working properly for everyone and everything. Peter
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Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The company I contract with has just gotten moved up to XP from 2000 on our new computers -- seems a lot of the corporation wide software didn't run on XP, and believe me, getting custom written software onto a new platform ain't fast or easy! Several tech support people I know all think that Windows 2000 was the zenith of the NT-based OS line. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
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Myself included. 2000 is stable, relatively simple, more intuitive than any other windows os and without all the bloated kiddie candy of xp and vista. First thing I do with XP or vista is make it look like 2000. The only useful thing Xp added is remote desktop and remote assistance, although the latter was already available with third party freeware. Right now updated and patched 2000 takes 6 gigs updated and patched XP Pro takes 6 gigs a clean install of vista takes 6 gigs BTW, vista WILL install on a 10 gig drive. Interesting. How much space does a full install of OSX take? NT 4 and prior was junk 95 and 98 are junk Win 3.1.1 and prior were ridiculous compared to even the Apple II GS I have xp and vista available through MS Partner subs, but I personally run 2000 and now OSX JMHO At 10:12 AM 3/16/2007, you wrote: Several tech support people I know all think that Windows 2000 was the zenith of the NT-based OS line. Loren Faeth
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Less than 8, probably around 3 GB since it must install in the first 8 GB of a drive on some older machines like mine (ROM limit on IDE drives -- when my BW was new, it came with a 4 GB drive), Boots a lot faster in 10.3.x, too. Don't know about universal code on the new Intel macs, but I'd bet 6-8 GB. Intel code is clonky. Peter
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user. I have not heard of the programs you mention. Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big corporate MS Office user? Thanks guys - BillR 1981 300 SD 286k miles, and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed. It will take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to date. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlookreplacement Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am I missing something? I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the middle of having to switch to Word from WP, but most of my computer time is emails. It is helpful to be able to share calendars with my wife [at her office] and my MiL in her attached apartment. Any suggestions? BillR - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers http://www.openoffice.org does all you need, and is compatible with Micro$#IT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user. I have not heard of the programs you mention. Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big corporate MS Office user? Thanks guys - BillR 1981 300 SD 286k miles, and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed. It will take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to date. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office/Outlookreplacement Luther, and other computer savvy folks, I have a 2 - 3 year old Compaq Presario, which I am reasonably happy with [still miss my company owned laptop, though], running Windows XP. I would be happy to find a good replacement for MS Office Professional 2003 - especially Outlook. From a quick look it does not seem that OpenOffice deals with schedules and email, though I am sure contacts are included.. Am I missing something? I do a fair amount of word processing, and am in the middle of having to switch
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have reinstalled Office twice and done 'detect and repair' about 5 times. Next attempt will be to install on the other hard drive just to see if that will help. XP Repair Pro 2007 folks say they don't understand it either and are working on the problem, but no luck yet. I have had to go to an old version of Outlook Express to get email, and it does not integrate the calendar sharing function that I used a lot. Quite frustrating. Lee - I appreciate your suggestions For e-mail, contacts and scheduling, take a look at Kontact, should be installed by default on KDE-based distros like Mepis and Kubuntu. I should have mentioned I am a frequent but casual user. I have not heard of the programs you mention. Will Kontact let me share a calendar with a big corporate MS Office user? Thanks guys - BillR 1981 300 SD 286k miles, and I got 28 mpg - half city, half open road driving - on the first tank after my new glow plugs were installed. It will take awhile to pay for itself with the better MPG, but I like it. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill, You are 100% correct. For the casual user, Open Office is great but for the power user there is nothing like MS Office. And 2003 is the best version to date. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:51 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked to MS Office
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers
The time had come for me to purchase a new laptop, so off to the store I went. Everything was set up with Vista, so I bought an HP. I couldn't use the lighted multimedia buttons at the top of the keyboard since I couldn't do it by touch alone since touching them set them off and there was no way to tell which one I pushed. Back that one went. I then purchased a Toshiba that was also set up with Vista only to find out that my Jaws For Windows synthesizer wouldn't work with Vista, DARM! I ended up buying another Toshiba, the last one with Xp, the Media Center Edition. This one required the professional version of the voice synth, a $340 upgrade! I figured this was worth not going with Vista, and it's working out. Wifey was having similar problems and ended up going with an XP equipped Toshiba laptop, the exact same one I have. Her magnification software works with either XP or Vista, so we're OK for a while. The guys at both comp stores we went to said, and I quote, Vista SUCKS Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Don - I am still somewhat full from the clam basket at Singleton's. Took my sister [from New Hampshire] on Monday and we ate on the porch, prior to visiting the model room and her [not this FL boy] swimming at Jacksonville Beach. God place to know about. I have been wanting to try Linux [I have a years old Linux Red Hat disk somewhere], but really don't have any problems with the XP OS, just the mail send/receive in Outlook when there is mail. Does not seem likely that the OS has much to do with that, be it XP or Linux, and since I have no other problems with the OS I am a bit reluctant to get so deeply into it and end up with the same problem in an OS that I truly know nothing about. I'll try to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what seems to me a drastic change. My fear is that I will end up with a problem I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it fixed. I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the USAF trains folks on Windows. He does seem pretty adept at computers. I am at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair... if you do, come on down. We have the room, and Singleton's is still open. BillR - Original Message - From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email is fine to both send and receive, the calendar and contacts works great, but I just can't send or receive regular emails. I do download a 'shell' that includes an extra several dozen lines of stuff, then puts the 'email' at the wrong end of the queue, and crashes Outlook. Every time. If there are no emails going out or coming in everything is fine with a 'send / receive' and it does not crash. I did a backup prior to running the program, but restore doesn't help. I have
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
You might try http://wiki.djlizard.net/Dial-a-fix This little utility cured a sound card driver that kept disappearing in my XP laptop. It sounds like it might work in your case also. I'll try to reinstall MS Office 2003 Pro on the other disk first prior to doing what seems to me a drastic change. My fear is that I will end up with a problem I don't understand and no way to email folks such as yourself to get it fixed. I am also hoping my newly computer trained son will be down in a few weeks and can help me figure this one out, though I tend to doubt that the USAF trains folks on Windows. He does seem pretty adept at computers. I am at the point of preferring a devil I know and can work around rather than facing the unknown - unless you or one of the others on the list wants a hosted FL vacation [in the 80's yesterday] with a side of computer repair... if you do, come on down. We have the room, and Singleton's is still open. BillR -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers -hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement
Vista, Hmm? Can't see it myself. (Sorry) Fred Moir Etc. ad Dieselium - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Mar 16 23:05:58 2007 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.233]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HSLUj-0001fQ-UT for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:05:58 + Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so718868wra for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr935584wae.1174086347303; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.52.11 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:05:47 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:05:58 - so then i could play online poker through linux? i really can't on os x. On 3/16/07, LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill: My recommendation would be to run Linux for its stability and then access the programs you need (Office, Outlook, etc.) via WINE. There is a very nice WINE interface available for $49, after a month to try it out, that lets most standard Windows software run smoothly and seamlessly. In fact, you can most likely do everything you'd want Windows to do from within Linux, using the standard Linux/KDE applications. On 3/16/07, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - I don't believe it is a hardware or memory problem as everything worked perfectly for the 2 years prior to installing XP Repair Pro 2007. I have little doubt that program is the problem. The continuing problem is that neither I nor the tech folks at XP Repair Pro 2007 can figure out how to get Outlook to download and send email. I check for spyware regularly, though I don't expect that is the problem. It remains a mystery, but one that is merely annoying, not a show stopper. BillR - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'BillR' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijackedtoMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective), I work on a lot of Windows boxes. And over 90 percent of the issues I resolve can be attributed to one of three causes. 1. Hardware not up the task, usually not enough memory. 2. Poorly written or incorrectly configured aftermarket application. For example, aftermarket firewall and Windows firewall turned on. 3. A rogue application (spyware, etc) running, usually downloaded from a porn or gambling site. Of the systems I manage, I have zero issues with Windows. And the systems run a mix of 98, 2000 and XP. 2000 was my favorite OS but XP SR2 is rock solid. I'm doing trial Vista installs now and I don't have an opinion of the OS yet. Office 2000 is excellent, Office XP is terrible and Office 2003 is even better than 2000. Most who experience Office issues either don't have adequate hardware or are experiencing issues with aftermarket software. Neither of these are Microsoft's fault. Tom -Original Message- From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 3/16/07 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vista hits the recyclers - hijacked toMSOffice/Outlookreplacement Thanks Tom - I have been getting that feeling. The only real issue I have at the moment is that a recently installed system cleaner [XP Repair Pro 2007] has caused Outlook to crash every time there is mail to download or send. The test settings works great and that test settings email
