Re: [MBZ] Snow Tires was Re: So I end up buying a 2005 Dodge Magnum
The problem I had in that regard was finding a set that was both decent off road AND was not load range C. Lots of 1/2 ton sport utilities use that tire size. My 05 dodge has load range E BFG All terrain KOs in that size, but even though they have the snowflake rating, they're a bit hard for a place that sees a lot of snow and ice. When I looked (a year and a half ago, I think), there were exactly six load range E tires that size, and the BFG was the only one that was both all terrain and not complete garbage. Hopefully you'll have better luck. On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 02:48:43PM -0800, Kevin Kraly wrote: If the snow was stuck in them, they were not decent M + S tires. That's what's going on with the '07 Dodge Ram. Anyone have any recommendations for a good 265/70R17 MS truck tire? The snow fills up the tire treads, and even with 4wd, it becomes practically useless. It has the same exact Michelins that were on my '03 and '06 2wd models, so they're just a basic highway tire. Even my mom's HHR will outhandle it as long as there's not too much snow to the point where ground clearance becomes a concern as it bottoms out and the floorboards plow through the snow. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
Ok Don wrote: Since we're in line to get the ice/snow storm (only 30% chance though), I went to put the snow tires that came with the car from Donald Snook on this afternoon. When I let the first tire down, a LOT of 1 to 2 cracks appeared on the sidewall. Crap - dry rotted tire. Off it came, and on went the standard tire. Seriously? Dry rot? I bought those new the winter before you bought the car. I wonder why they would get dry rot that quickly. I need 2 more of the 8 hole wheels so I can get four snow tires, mount them on the original 15 hole wheels, and have all the (8) standard tires on 8 hole wheels. To echo Kaleb's re-tirement lament, the van needs new tires as well. I think tire rack had those aftermarket 8 hole wheels and they were relatively cheap (at least the last time I checked a couple of years ago). Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires (was: Cerberus wants money back)
Nokian Hakkapeliitta or Bridgestone Blizzak's are the best out there that I know of. Next would be the Cooper Weathermaster or Kelly Wintermark. If price isn't the issue go with the Nokian's...they are awesome snow tires. Mike -Original Message- Date: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:04:14 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Snow tires (was: Cerberus wants money back) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I live in New England and for the last 5 years I've driven NOTHING but Mercedes diesels, first my 240D, then the 190D, and now my 240D again. I've NEVER had any real issues except when I wasn't running real snow tires. You've got me thinking about actually putting some real snow tires on the 300D this winter. What do you recommend? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
Sheesh, thats like an oil thread question. I've got some nice Coopers on my 240D (courtesy Dwight). My 190D has some cheapies from Tire Warehouse. Both are far better in the snow than any all seasons I've had. I've heard really good things about Blizzaks but can't give any substantive data. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:04:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Snow tires (was: Cerberus wants money back) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I live in New England and for the last 5 years I've driven NOTHING but Mercedes diesels, first my 240D, then the 190D, and now my 240D again. I've NEVER had any real issues except when I wasn't running real snow tires. You've got me thinking about actually putting some real snow tires on the 300D this winter. What do you recommend? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
We put Goodyear Eagle ice radials on the Accord. Seem to be good so far. Much better than all season tires at any rate and on steel wheels so the nice aluminum ones will avoid the salt. Did not have a whole lot of choice this fall as the tire stores were doing a big business and were quickly sold out of a lot of the options. The Goodyears were expensive compared to some and that may be why they were in stock and ready to go. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snow tires Sheesh, thats like an oil thread question. I've got some nice Coopers on my 240D (courtesy Dwight). My 190D has some cheapies from Tire Warehouse. Both are far better in the snow than any all seasons I've had. I've heard really good things about Blizzaks but can't give any substantive data. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:04:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Snow tires (was: Cerberus wants money back) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I live in New England and for the last 5 years I've driven NOTHING but Mercedes diesels, first my 240D, then the 190D, and now my 240D again. I've NEVER had any real issues except when I wasn't running real snow tires. You've got me thinking about actually putting some real snow tires on the 300D this winter. What do you recommend? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
Of course the tire places tell you to buy 4 snow tires -- I recall my Dad always just put them on the drive (rear) wheels. I can see that putting them on the fronts could help with stopping/steering, but not really with getting under way or climbing hills. Allan Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Sheesh, thats like an oil thread question. I've got some nice Coopers on my 240D (courtesy Dwight). My 190D has some cheapies from Tire Warehouse. Both are far better in the snow than any all seasons I've had. I've heard really good things about Blizzaks but can't give any substantive data. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:04:14 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Snow tires (was: Cerberus wants money back) To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I live in New England and for the last 5 years I've driven NOTHING but Mercedes diesels, first my 240D, then the 190D, and now my 240D again. I've NEVER had any real issues except when I wasn't running real snow tires. You've got me thinking about actually putting some real snow tires on the 300D this winter. What do you recommend? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
Allan Streib wrote: Of course the tire places tell you to buy 4 snow tires -- I recall my Dad always just put them on the drive (rear) wheels. I can see that putting them on the fronts could help with stopping/steering, but not really with getting under way or climbing hills. You stop and steer better with four on a RWD car, and in conditions where summer tires grip better, the back end will break loose first if you have snows on the back. With a FWD, it should be all or nothing. I spun the Horizon a couple of times the winter that I had front snow tires on it, then I bought two more the next year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
that sad part is that i look back with nostalgia at the mid 80s chryslers On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Of course the tire places tell you to buy 4 snow tires -- I recall my Dad always just put them on the drive (rear) wheels. I can see that putting them on the fronts could help with stopping/steering, but not really with getting under way or climbing hills. You stop and steer better with four on a RWD car, and in conditions where summer tires grip better, the back end will break loose first if you have snows on the back. With a FWD, it should be all or nothing. I spun the Horizon a couple of times the winter that I had front snow tires on it, then I bought two more the next year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
What is so bad with the new ones? I sort of like the look of the 300 and the PT Cruiser. I'd drive either one of them. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 4:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snow tires that sad part is that i look back with nostalgia at the mid 80s chryslers On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Of course the tire places tell you to buy 4 snow tires -- I recall my Dad always just put them on the drive (rear) wheels. I can see that putting them on the fronts could help with stopping/steering, but not really with getting under way or climbing hills. You stop and steer better with four on a RWD car, and in conditions where summer tires grip better, the back end will break loose first if you have snows on the back. With a FWD, it should be all or nothing. I spun the Horizon a couple of times the winter that I had front snow tires on it, then I bought two more the next year. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
In a message dated 11/29/2006 5:26:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Four Blizzaks on my 83 300D are super on ice or snow. I used to put 200 lbs of roofing shingles in my trunk for the winter, but with the Blizzaks and no extra weight it is much, much better. I CAN GO WHERE NO MB COULD GO BEFORE! Mike N
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:24:31 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/2006 5:26:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Four Blizzaks on my 83 300D are super on ice or snow. I used to put 200 lbs of roofing shingles in my trunk for the winter, but with the Blizzaks and no extra weight it is much, much better. I CAN GO WHERE NO MB COULD GO BEFORE! I was going to get Nokian Hakkapeliitas, but the only tire shop in New Mexico (in Taos, 66.1 miles away from Los Alamos) didn't have any in 195/70-14, so I got Nokian WRs. Also labelled with a mountain/snow flake symbol, but touted as 4 season so the treadlife is longer. Craig
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- I sure wish I had put those snow tires on last night or this morning -- freezing rain is pouring down right now -- and I just got home. I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Find a new mechanic. Donald Snook wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
that means its headed this way. Its not freezing raining yet, but its raining pretty good. Im headed to St Louis this weekend. Hope all the crap has passed on by there by then. OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- I sure wish I had put those snow tires on last night or this morning -- freezing rain is pouring down right now -- and I just got home. I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
Blizzaks are nearly the best there is.Second only maybe to Nokian Hakkapelitta's. They make a world of difference over all seasons. Mike - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of the rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at a tire shop in the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little Blizzacks. I put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter since. My SDL is pretty close to a snowplow with those on. I did end up with an extra set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks on. Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look decent now. Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO Loren 86 300SDL et al At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Holy cowThat guy is a moron. Mike - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- I sure wish I had put those snow tires on last night or this morning -- freezing rain is pouring down right now -- and I just got home. I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're supposed to be at home Sunday afternoon to sell me a set of wheels - On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im headed to St Louis this weekend. Hope all the crap has passed on by there by then. OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Thats this Sunday? Crap. Im gone this sunday. You should have come last sunday, or next sunday. OK Don wrote: You're supposed to be at home Sunday afternoon to sell me a set of wheels - On 11/29/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im headed to St Louis this weekend. Hope all the crap has passed on by there by then. OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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NOOO, I've already tried to buy rims from Kaleb and he's out of stock. Grrr, only need 1 for a spare in my SDL. Luthers From: James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:21:07 -0500 Reply-to: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires buy a set of 4 used factory rims off kaleb and a new set of bridgestone blizzaks from tire rack - you'll be fine. that car wil go like a tank in the snow jim - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] snow tires We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case? '83 300SD (241 kmi) '82 300CD (162 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work '85 300D (280,176) parts car
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OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it.
Re: [MBZ] snow tires
More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts would know better than that line of bull. Snow tires are better on ANY car in the snow than all seasons would be. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Are Blizzaks expensive? They sound like they must be imported from the planet Zarkon. On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts would know better than that line of bull. Snow tires are better on ANY car in the snow than all seasons would be. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snow Tires and Bad mechanics
If this is the same guy that maintained the 300D 2.5, I think it goes beyond snow tires. I found way too many short-cuts and worn parts that needed replacing to consider it as having received good maintenance. LUTHER - here's a set of 126 wheels for you - On 11/30/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the advice about the snow tires. You confirmed my belief that this guy was a moron (at least as it related to the use of snow tires). I will be getting mine soon - not soon enough to deal with the 6-12 inches we are supposed to get today. If Kaleb is out of wheels, you should all encourage him to buy mine. I would be glad to sell my wheels, so I can get new wheels from Tire Rack for my car. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Check ebay, a single wheel will show up fairly often. Luther wrote: NOOO, I've already tried to buy rims from Kaleb and he's out of stock. Grrr, only need 1 for a spare in my SDL. Luthers -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Snow Tires and Bad mechanics
let me know how much you want for them Donald Snook wrote: Thanks for all the advice about the snow tires. You confirmed my belief that this guy was a moron (at least as it related to the use of snow tires). I will be getting mine soon - not soon enough to deal with the 6-12 inches we are supposed to get today. If Kaleb is out of wheels, you should all encourage him to buy mine. I would be glad to sell my wheels, so I can get new wheels from Tire Rack for my car. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Not terribly. Seems like they were in the $50 each vicinity from tirerack for my 83' 300D... Generally the Hakka's are harder to find than Blizzaks. Though this time of year would be the wrong time to go to your local tire store and try and find some... For that matter sometimes Tire rack runs out of a certain size around now as well... Levi On 11/30/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are Blizzaks expensive? They sound like they must be imported from the planet Zarkon. On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts would know better than that line of bull. Snow tires are better on ANY car in the snow than all seasons would be. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew asked:Are Blizzaks expensive? - There are several types of Blizzaks - check TireRack for your desired type - for my 91 300D in 195/65R15 the Revo1 Studless Ice Snow are $79 each. They rec'd very high marks from people who bought them, BTW. So they;re not outrageous IMO - ~$320 for a set then add mounting, balancing - and road warranty if desired. HTH;s Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires Are Blizzaks expensive? They sound like they must be imported from the planet Zarkon. On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts would know better than that line of bull. Snow tires are better on ANY car in the snow than all seasons would be. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.19/556 - Release Date: 11/28/2006
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Yes they are pretty expensive but worth the money..They are made by Bridgestone so whatever planet thier factory is on. Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires Are Blizzaks expensive? They sound like they must be imported from the planet Zarkon. On 11/30/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More of a fool for passing it on.Any mechanic worth thier shorts would know better than that line of bull. Snow tires are better on ANY car in the snow than all seasons would be. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires OK Don wrote: As I've told you before - you need to find another indie -- Well, maybe a customer with an SDL complained to him that snow tires didn't prevent him from driving into the ditch. Indy's still a fool for believing it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can actually buy Blizzaks from a dealer just about anyplace i go. Cell phone tires, I'd have to drive at least 1500 miles to get them, or mail order them and that gets expensive. Pay more for a tire, pay $$$ for shipping, and then pay extra for mounting and balancing. Easily adds $25 to $50 a tire. Several years ago I bought some firestone radial snow tires for the 240D. after 6-7 winters, they are still good enough to use this winter. I have been quite pleased with them. A LOT less money than cell phone tires. At 08:18 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: Blizzaks are nearly the best there is.Second only maybe to Nokian Hakkapelitta's. They make a world of difference over all seasons. Mike - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of the rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at a tire shop in the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little Blizzacks. I put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter since. My SDL is pretty close to a snowplow with those on. I did end up with an extra set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks on. Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look decent now. Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO Loren 86 300SDL et al At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
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I have yet to find any place nearby that is cheaper to buy them locally and have them installed than it is to buy from Tirerack and have them shipped then installed. If you have such a place, good for you! Blizzaks may not last 6-7 winters (though my wife's and my parents have lasted that long). It depends on how warm and dry and how many miles you put on. They're also only the good tread for the first 55%, but if your tires are worn down that much then they're not going to be near as good in the snow anyway... Levi On 11/30/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can actually buy Blizzaks from a dealer just about anyplace i go. Cell phone tires, I'd have to drive at least 1500 miles to get them, or mail order them and that gets expensive. Pay more for a tire, pay $$$ for shipping, and then pay extra for mounting and balancing. Easily adds $25 to $50 a tire. Several years ago I bought some firestone radial snow tires for the 240D. after 6-7 winters, they are still good enough to use this winter. I have been quite pleased with them. A LOT less money than cell phone tires. At 08:18 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: Blizzaks are nearly the best there is.Second only maybe to Nokian Hakkapelitta's. They make a world of difference over all seasons. Mike - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] snow tires A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of the rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at a tire shop in the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little Blizzacks. I put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter since. My SDL is pretty close to a snowplow with those on. I did end up with an extra set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks on. Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look decent now. Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO Loren 86 300SDL et al At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nokians seem to be more expensive than Blizzaks. In recent prices I've seen, before shipping, mounting balancing ect, Nokians cost ~ $100 to $120. Blizzaks seem to be in the $70 to $85 range. I'll share the following information, with the careat that it is what I learned 8 years ago and the current line of Blizzaks may now be different. Blizzaks were snow tires for half their tread life, and summer tires for the latter half of tread life. I suspected that summer half of the tread life was probably not a fun, performance tire. So, at that time I bought Nokian NRW's and used the same set for 6 winters (Dec - Mar). In that sixth winter, we had a deep snow fall just before Christmas. My 124, with its old Nokians, was often the only vehicle plowing its way down unopened roads and streets. So, in my experience, Nokians are effective snow tires right through 50k+ mi. of tread wear. Many people like Blizzaks. I have no first hand experience with Blizzaks, and don't know thier current philosophy about winter effective tread life. Ned Kleinhenz
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The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for 1-2 and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you plan on selling th car sooner) Jeff Zedic Toronto
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Bear in mind that us Okie's can barely spell snow, much less know how to use the tires appropriate for driving in it. Do I take it that you Northerners put the snow tires on in the late fall, and leave them on till the flowers come up in the spring? On 11/30/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for 1-2 and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you plan on selling th car sooner) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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Yeah, here in NY, I've heard Thanksgiving to Easter as a basic reference point. That said we have yet to see any real snow so far this year. They're talking about maybe this weekend though... Levi On 11/30/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bear in mind that us Okie's can barely spell snow, much less know how to use the tires appropriate for driving in it. Do I take it that you Northerners put the snow tires on in the late fall, and leave them on till the flowers come up in the spring? On 11/30/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nokians will last 4-5 years hereas the Blizzaks will be great for 1-2 and then decline. I sold them for 10 years. Get the Hakkas! (unless you plan on selling th car sooner) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Keep in mind that we're lucky here in Toronto. They get MUCH worse snow to the south of us in uptate NYMUCH WORSE! They get lake effect snowfall and we get the warmth from the lakes instead!! hahaha...suckers! I see a few cars with snows on, but mostly people wait until the first snowfallit's still 6 above hre so no worries for a while. It was 14 yesterday. (Sorry, Celsius!) We won't see snow for a while yet! Jeff Zedic Toronto
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Throw 100 kg of kitty litter in the trunk and some snows and you'll be golden! Jeff Zedic Basking in the mild November weather in Toronto Not seen any ice yet! (or snow)
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buy a set of 4 used factory rims off kaleb and a new set of bridgestone blizzaks from tire rack - you'll be fine. that car wil go like a tank in the snow jim - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] snow tires We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Any of the highly rated snow tires (on all four wheels PLEASE) will help your car handle well in snow. Anyone that says they won't is misinformed or worse. Adding about 100 lbs of sand or other ballast will balance the front and rear axle weight distribution to a perfect 50:50 and that does improve traction, steering and braking. Maybe not as much as with 124/201 sedans, but it still makes a difference. The Nokian Hakkapeliittas are almost surely the very best (ask anyone that has actually used them - not what others think). I am very fond of Bridgestone Blizzaks (others are not) and have used Vredsteins and several Dunlop tires, but the Blizzaks are ideal for MY use. http://www.nokiantyres.com/wintertyres_en http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterPackageMain.jsp?autoMake=Mercedes-BenzautoModel=420SELautoYear=1990autoModClar= Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A few years ago I was caught in a snowstorm, and after getting tired of the rear end sliding around on Remington tires, I stopped at a tire shop in the town I was in and they had a set of 4 used very little Blizzacks. I put them on the 300SDL, and have been using them each winter since. My SDL is pretty close to a snowplow with those on. I did end up with an extra set of factory wheels in need of paint, and those have the Blizzacks on. Last fall I painted them with a rattle can (NAPA) and they look decent now. Blizzacks work nicely on LWB126 cars IMHO Loren 86 300SDL et al At 04:13 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote: We are having our first snow/ice/freezing rain of the season here in America's Heartland (Kansas) and I am planning to get snow tires. On my most recent prior Mercedes, the snow tires came with the car mounted on a second set of wheels (2 tires not four). Well, I sold that car to OK Don and I am without snow tires. So, while I was picking up my car at my indy (because of the %^#^ hose repair), I asked him if he had any snow tires. He told me they would not help on my car. He said that they would not work on a LWB 126 as well as they did on my 124. This sounds like malarkey to me. Has anyone tried out snow tires on a 126 (esp. LWB 126). Do they help? Am I destined to slip and slide all over the place? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
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I wanted them twelve months ago, Walt, but the cost of shipping is a significant percentage of buying them locally. -- Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish.
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Walt, are those bundts? I am headed up Thursday and may need some tires for Gump On Tuesday, December 13, 2005, at 07:02 PM, W. Lasher wrote: Snow Tires for Sale: I have 2 studded snow tires for sale Cooper Weather master S/T P197/70 R 14 M/S, These were used on my W126. Tires have 96% original tread almost new ..$20 each Also have extra wheel (15 hole) in New Condition$60 All located in Everett, Washington..30 miles North of Seattle Walt Lasher W140 S350 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1748 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/ 20051213/9710cc62/winmail.bin ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Very interested in the snow tires. Wonder how much that would take to ship to Iowa? Do you have an approximate weight? On 11/3/05, W. Lasher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snow Tires for Sale: I have 2 studded snow tires for sale Cooper Weather master S/T P197/70 R 14 M/S, These were used on my W126. Tires have 96% original tread almost new ..$20 each Also have extra wheel (15 hole) in New Condition$60 All located in Everett, Washington..30 miles North of Seattle Contact me Direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Walt Lasher W140 S350 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1780 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20051103/850abb54/winmail.bin ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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D'oh, I was just up in Everett yesterday! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: '87 300TD intercooler (210k) '84 300D (205k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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That sounds like good information to me. Generally you're looking for narrower tires to cut through the snow, not ride on top. Taller helps to give you a little more ground clearance, but it throws off the speedo and generally is limited by fender clearance over bumps. As for tread patterns, there's a lot of different thoughts. I've had a lot of experience with the Blizzaks that are absolutely awesome. In my experience they've made about the same amount of difference as there is between FWD and AWD. Last tests I heard were that they were starting to surpass studded tires for ice capability. Anyway, there's a few slightly different versions of them, but I've yet to see one with big lugs and big gaps between them, so I would say that agrees with your theory of trying not to collect all the snow in your tires. I have also heard great things about the Hakka's, but I've had great results with tirerack.com and they don't carry them, and any local tire stores seem to have ridiculous prices so I've stuck with the Blizzaks. I see they just did some comparisons with other tires, and the Graspics and (I think the Artic X's were the other ones) were quite close, but not quite as good. Then again, I'm looking for absolute snow/ice performance. There are a number of performance snow tires out there now, that are supposed to give you good snow use, but also allow you to drive at 120mph(presumably once the snow has melted). But you're sacrificing some snow ability to get those speed abilities. I am VERY curious to see how the Blizzaks handle my 83' 300D here in upstate NY. I've been used to my AWD 97' Subaru Impreza that is perfect in any condition. I imagine this is going to be a bit of adjustment... Levi (: On Friday 14 October 2005 8:35 am, BillR wrote: As I will only be in the snow for a couple of weeks for my NH trip this Winter, I'll probably stick to my normal radials. IIRC when I was in the frozen wastelands [Indiana] for several years folks who had to drive in every snow situation [the ambulance drivers I worked with as a ambulance tech] favored an odd looking narrow tire with an 's' pattern running around the tire. Their reasoning was that the wide, hard angled, fierce looking, tread tires held the snow = a slick donut of a wheel that pushed snow into a wall in front of the tire, which then could get no traction. With the narrower 's' groove tire the snow wouldn't stick in the tread = a narrow footprint they could most always dig through snow with and drive with. Don't know as I'd want to drive on the highway with those, but they did seem to work on the rural roads we had to get around on. Ambulance didn't use them, but we always had a snow plow to front for us when we were loaded so not a problem. Thanks to other listers I have been educated a bit as to changes in tires since I was up there. Is any of this still good information? BillR Jacksonville FL 300SD EM 265K /200K engine - which should be ready for pickup tonight!
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Levi, I'm moving from an Audi quattro to a '93 300 turbodiesel, so I've got a similar adjustment to make :) I'm sticking with the Nokians...they've been wonderful tires, and I see no reason to change. The Blizzaks, btw, will change characteristics as they wear...the first layer of tread will give very good traction...the next layer will act as a typical all season tire. I'm running the Nokian Rsi, and you're right, narrower is better... You can find these online from a number of sources. They're not cheap tires, but the difference is far less than my $500 deductible. Lee Levi writes: That sounds like good information to me. Generally you're looking for narrower tires to cut through the snow, not ride on top. Taller helps to give you a little more ground clearance, but it throws off the speedo and generally is limited by fender clearance over bumps. As for tread patterns, there's a lot of different thoughts. I've had a lot of experience with the Blizzaks that are absolutely awesome. In my experience they've made about the same amount of difference as there is between FWD and AWD. Last tests I heard were that they were starting to surpass studded tires for ice capability. Anyway, there's a few slightly different versions of them, but I've yet to see one with big lugs and big gaps between them, so I would say that agrees with your theory of trying not to collect all the snow in your tires. I have also heard great things about the Hakka's, but I've had great results with tirerack.com and they don't carry them, and any local tire stores seem to have ridiculous prices so I've stuck with the Blizzaks. I see they just did some comparisons with other tires, and the Graspics and (I think the Artic X's were the other ones) were quite close, but not quite as good. Then again, I'm looking for absolute snow/ice performance. There are a number of performance snow tires out there now, that are supposed to give you good snow use, but also allow you to drive at 120mph(presumably once the snow has melted). But you're sacrificing some snow ability to get those speed abilities. I am VERY curious to see how the Blizzaks handle my 83' 300D here in upstate NY. I've been used to my AWD 97' Subaru Impreza that is perfect in any condition. I imagine this is going to be a bit of adjustment... Levi (: On Friday 14 October 2005 8:35 am, BillR wrote: As I will only be in the snow for a couple of weeks for my NH trip this Winter, I'll probably stick to my normal radials. IIRC when I was in the frozen wastelands [Indiana] for several years folks who had to drive in every snow situation [the ambulance drivers I worked with as a ambulance tech] favored an odd looking narrow tire with an 's' pattern running around the tire. Their reasoning was that the wide, hard angled, fierce looking, tread tires held the snow = a slick donut of a wheel that pushed snow into a wall in front of the tire, which then could get no traction. With the narrower 's' groove tire the snow wouldn't stick in the tread = a narrow footprint they could most always dig through snow with and drive with. Don't know as I'd want to drive on the highway with those, but they did seem to work on the rural roads we had to get around on. Ambulance didn't use them, but we always had a snow plow to front for us when we were loaded so not a problem. Thanks to other listers I have been educated a bit as to changes in tires since I was up there. Is any of this still good information? BillR Jacksonville FL 300SD EM 265K /200K engine - which should be ready for pickup tonight! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I know what you mean about the tread on the Blizzaks. That's kind-of a trade-off. You only get the top 55% of the tread with the good snow compound. (though the new ones have standard snow tire tread for the bottom 45%, instead of all-season like the old ones) However, the other factor is that once they're down to less than half, there's not really much tread there to be very good in the snow anyway. So once you hit that point you just use them in the summer as all-seasons... Out of curiousity, how DO the Nokians compare price-wise? I got some 185/75-14 Blizzak WS-50's for $64 each on a special at the Tirerack. Levi On Friday 14 October 2005 10:12 am, Lee Levitt wrote: Levi, I'm moving from an Audi quattro to a '93 300 turbodiesel, so I've got a similar adjustment to make :) I'm sticking with the Nokians...they've been wonderful tires, and I see no reason to change. The Blizzaks, btw, will change characteristics as they wear...the first layer of tread will give very good traction...the next layer will act as a typical all season tire. I'm running the Nokian Rsi, and you're right, narrower is better... You can find these online from a number of sources. They're not cheap tires, but the difference is far less than my $500 deductible. Lee
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Sure, Bill, the standard recommendation for a passenger car is to go with a minus-zero tire for snow, one that's a size narrower and a size higher in aspect ratio, such as 185-75-14 for a W123. I didn't check the size comparison charts, but I think that size would be appropriate.Taller, narrower tires are better. As for tread pattern, the main thing to look for these days is sipes. Most modern snows are designed on what I'd describe as a scrub-brush theory -- their tread blocks flex while in contact with the road, and in doing so shift on a slippery surface until they find something to bite into. The rubber compounds in use are generally on the soft side to remain flexible in the cold. Bridgestone Blizzaks are about the softest, and have a pretty short tread life, but they're excellent on ice. Other tires use a silica rubber compound with (I assume) some abrasive characteristics, like the Michelin. X-Ice. There are also some innovative locking sipes out there (such as on the X-Ice and Nokian) that firm the tire up for more stability on the dry road. One of the common complaints about Blizzaks is that they feel mushy or squirmy in the dry. A new innovation from Nokian is the introduction of plant oil (!) in the rubber compound of their Hakkapelliita RSI. It supposedly sheds moisture -- but I recall one user post somewhere that they were a little slippery right out of the box. That said, I would agree that all-seasons should be all you need for a couple weeks in New Hampshire. The highway crews that far north are undoubtedly quite adept at keeping the roads clear. I remember back in 2000 when we had our massive December snow dump of 54 inches, everybody I worked with was freaked except for a guy from Syracuse. Serial 12-inch snow storms were nothing new for him, and apparently were quickly dealt with in his hometown. One point about all-season tires in the winter -- the ones that are least siped and have the highest wear rating are the least effective in snow. The hard rubber can't flex and the solid tread blocks can't scrub. So a touring all-season is generally better than a performance all season. Of course, if you're tooling around on Hoosiers, all bets are off! Russ BillR wrote: As I will only be in the snow for a couple of weeks for my NH trip this Winter, I'll probably stick to my normal radials. IIRC when I was in the frozen wastelands [Indiana] for several years folks who had to drive in every snow situation [the ambulance drivers I worked with as a ambulance tech] favored an odd looking narrow tire with an 's' pattern running around the tire. Their reasoning was that the wide, hard angled, fierce looking, tread tires held the snow = a slick donut of a wheel that pushed snow into a wall in front of the tire, which then could get no traction. With the narrower 's' groove tire the snow wouldn't stick in the tread = a narrow footprint they could most always dig through snow with and drive with. Don't know as I'd want to drive on the highway with those, but they did seem to work on the rural roads we had to get around on. Ambulance didn't use them, but we always had a snow plow to front for us when we were loaded so not a problem. Thanks to other listers I have been educated a bit as to changes in tires since I was up there. Is any of this still good information? BillR Jacksonville FL 300SD EM 265K /200K engine - which should be ready for pickup tonight! ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm
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I can't tell you much about pricing on the Nokians. Years ago, Hakkas used to be cheap. Today, they're not...I think I paid about $150 or $160 per tire for a 215/55 16 last year. I do buy from the expensive local shop because they provide lifetime balancing/mounting/etc, so it ends up being less expensive over the life of the tire (even with dedicated snow wheels). Lee Levi wrote: I know what you mean about the tread on the Blizzaks. That's kind-of a trade-off. You only get the top 55% of the tread with the good snow compound. (though the new ones have standard snow tire tread for the bottom 45%, instead of all-season like the old ones) However, the other factor is that once they're down to less than half, there's not really much tread there to be very good in the snow anyway. So once you hit that point you just use them in the summer as all-seasons... Out of curiousity, how DO the Nokians compare price-wise? I got some 185/75-14 Blizzak WS-50's for $64 each on a special at the Tirerack. Levi On Friday 14 October 2005 10:12 am, Lee Levitt wrote: Levi, I'm moving from an Audi quattro to a '93 300 turbodiesel, so I've got a similar adjustment to make :) I'm sticking with the Nokians...they've been wonderful tires, and I see no reason to change. The Blizzaks, btw, will change characteristics as they wear...the first layer of tread will give very good traction...the next layer will act as a typical all season tire. I'm running the Nokian Rsi, and you're right, narrower is better... You can find these online from a number of sources. They're not cheap tires, but the difference is far less than my $500 deductible. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Snow tires
Russ writes: A new innovation from Nokian is the introduction of plant oil (!) in the rubber compound of their Hakkapelliita RSI. It supposedly sheds moisture -- but I recall one user post somewhere that they were a little slippery right out of the box. I didn't notice any squirminess with the Rsi out of the box. The Hakka Q, on the other hand, reminded me a lot of the BF Goodrich TracEdges on my old Range Rover - all over the place. They took about 6 weeks to firm up. Lee
Re: [MBZ] SNOW TIRES
BillR wrote: Gee .I've not had any problems with them in the past 20 years. Never slid around any of the three [partial] days I had to use the heater in the house. How are they in hurricanes?
