Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 06/11/2015 6:43 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

get the plug in random orbital.  Air tools are junk.  The HF tool looks like 
the one Griots sells.  The pad does most of the job, so find the product you 
want and mate it with good pads

clay




Nothing wrong with air tools but for something like this, you need a lot 
of air and thus a large air compressor.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing, oh my!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sorry for the tardy response.  The spouse had a “discectomy” (back surgery) on 
Tuesday so I’m running really thin between caring for her, working, and running 
the house.  Oy.  Remind me to never, ever let a surgeon touch my back or spine!


I have the following HF tools:

http://www.harborfreight.com/7-in-10-amp-variable-speed-polisher-60626.html

http://www.harborfreight.com/6-in-57-amp-heavy-duty-dual-action-variable-speed-polisher-69924.html

The first one, which is really a rotary buffer, not a polisher, is what you 
would use for removing a lot of material or aggressive work to level a finish, 
say, after wet sanding or to remove orange peel.  These things can do a lot of 
damage, and fast.  I rarely use mine, as the existing finishes on my cars are 
all in pretty good shape.  If any of you recall the toasted finish the S500 
coupe had and how I recovered that, it was a candidate for the rotary buffer 
because I had to remove a really think layer of oxidized paint.

If you have a clear coat I would not use this on it.  The potential for burning 
through the clear coat is really high with this tool, unless the clear is new 
and think  That being said, it would also need to have some serious damage to 
it before I got near it with this.

One exception:  3M has a final surface polish that is used with a rotary buffer 
and their proprietary foam pad.  This is a polish, and is not at all aggressive.

Just remember that this is a direct drive machine and very powerful. Stay in 
one spot too long or tip the pad and run the edge against something and you 
risk doing damage.


The second one is my go-to machine for most work.  It’s a random orbital 
polisher, and it works at lower speeds than the rotary buffer does, using foam 
pads (the rotary buffer typically uses sheepskin pads.)  Since these machines 
oscillate, they won’t cause swirls or holograms like a rotary buffer.  This 
also allows them to be used for polishing, buffing, and applying waxes.

Some things to be aware of when using an RO machine:

Choose the pad for the material.  While foam pads may appear to be alike, their 
composition is very important relative to the material (compound or wax) being 
used.

If you’re compounding or polishing, place a number of dime-sized spots of 
material on the pad and work it in with your fingers before beginning so that 
the pad is saturated with the material evenly.  If you don’t, the first 
material you apply will be soaked up by the pad and not applied to the paint 
surface. 

When using an RO for polishing, keep a spray bottle of distilled water on hand. 
 As the material dries and begins to flash off, spritz the pad with a light 
film of water and begin polishing again util it dries and flashes off again.

Don’t use the same pad for everything.  Pads can be washed, but it’s difficult 
to get al the material out of them.  Get some ZipLoc bags, label them, and keep 
your pads stored in them separate from each other.


Never, ever run your buffer or polisher out of contact with the surface!

If you’re flinging material off the pad, you’re using too much.

As with either a buffer or polisher, always work your material from coarse to 
fine.

That’s all I can think of for now.  I’ve had my HF polisher and buffer for 
about 6-8 years, and while I do’t use them that often, they’ve served me well.  
The detailing community gets all moist about the Porter Cable RO polisher, 
which is a nice tool, but for the price you could buy a bunch of the HF ones 
which effectively do the same job….

Dan/Martha





> On Nov 6, 2015, at 8:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I bought one in 2006.  The plastic gear box started flying apart half way
> through the first panel.
> 
> I bought a makita and never looked back.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone have a suggestion on a cheap but reasonably durable buffer from
>> HF?  I need to get the oxidation off and wax on the 240D.   I've always
>> buffed it by hand, but i think i am ready for a Martha on this one.
>> 
>> Do they have more than one model?  What else do I need to order to go with
>> it?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing, oh my!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan, hope your wife's surgery gives a good result.  Whenever I suffer a little 
back pain, I know it is quite miserable for me, as I have to hold back a bit to 
give healing an opportunity, and getting good sleep can be challenging.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Jaime, did you try to get a refund?  I've never had to do that yet, but I've 
heard that getting a replacement is usually easy within the first thirty days 
or so, but I'm not sure if they offer refunds or in store credit.

I bought the same saws-all that Rich has, used it to cut apart 124 front lower 
inner bushings, nasty job but with the right blades I managed to do that 
without mangling any toes or fingers.

I managed to rip off my left thumb nail while using a saws-all, years ago.  
Very painful.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 6, 2015 8:11:57 PM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I bought one in 2006.  The plastic gear box started flying apart half
>way
>through the first panel.
>
>I bought a makita and never looked back.
>
>Jaime
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[clay via Mercedes]

get the plug in random orbital.  Air tools are junk.  The HF tool looks like 
the one Griots sells.  The pad does most of the job, so find the product you 
want and mate it with good pads

clay



On Nov 5, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> Anyone have a suggestion on a cheap but reasonably durable buffer from HF?  I 
> need to get the oxidation off and wax on the 240D.   I've always buffed it by 
> hand, but i think i am ready for a Martha on this one.
> 
> Do they have more than one model?  What else do I need to order to go with it?
> 
> Viel Danke
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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I bought one in 2006.  The plastic gear box started flying apart half way
through the first panel.

I bought a makita and never looked back.

Jaime


On Thursday, November 5, 2015, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone have a suggestion on a cheap but reasonably durable buffer from
> HF?  I need to get the oxidation off and wax on the 240D.   I've always
> buffed it by hand, but i think i am ready for a Martha on this one.
>
> Do they have more than one model?  What else do I need to order to go with
> it?
>
> Viel Danke
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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can point out both a buffer and an RO polisher on HF when I get home today.

If you're going to do aggressive stuff, you've got to have both, as some jobs 
and materials require a buffer, others an RO polisher.

I think the two I bought at HF were collectively around $50.

Dan

> On Nov 5, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got one from there that works fine. They have a few different models I 
> think they are all about the same
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have a suggestion on a cheap but reasonably durable buffer from HF?  
>> I need to get the oxidation off and wax on the 240D.   I've always buffed it 
>> by hand, but i think i am ready for a Martha on this one.
>> 
>> Do they have more than one model?  What else do I need to order to go with 
>> it?
>> 
>> Viel Danke
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Re: [MBZ] wax and buffing

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I got one from there that works fine. They have a few different models I think 
they are all about the same

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> On Nov 5, 2015, at 9:05 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion on a cheap but reasonably durable buffer from HF?  I 
> need to get the oxidation off and wax on the 240D.   I've always buffed it by 
> hand, but i think i am ready for a Martha on this one.
> 
> Do they have more than one model?  What else do I need to order to go with it?
> 
> Viel Danke
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