[MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Don’t.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Should I?  Headed up that way...
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> On 10/27/23 9:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Wow! Heater boxes are intact. That’s really rare.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Should I?  Headed up that way...

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On 10/27/23 9:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Wow! Heater boxes are intact. That’s really rare.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Wow! Heater boxes are intact. That’s really rare.

-D

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[MBZ] I need to sell it for health reasons to help my old man, 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 Sedan 4D, $3, 500

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[MBZ] My camera is too small to get the whole car in the pics -- Mercedes, $4, 500

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[MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

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I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
If it's bricked it's worth scrap


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 300E - 168k miles - $7,000

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Its been so wet here we haven't haven't had much color, the leaves are mostly 
just shriveling up and falling, turning a kind of mossy green brown at most.

-Curt



On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 07:10:03 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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They are falling like snowflakes right now. Peak colors were probably last 
weekend, but yeah I'm sure there will still be a lot of them out and about.

I'm not interested in spending $7k on that sort of car. I need to cut back on 
cars anyway, not add to the fleet. But it does seem to be pretty nice. I don't 
know if the price is in line with the market.


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, at 17:35, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Ahh, but you would have to compete with the leaf peepers if the leaves 
> aren’t already off the trees…
>
> -D
>
>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably 20-30 minutes away, yes.
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, at 15:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>> 
>>> That’s even in your neck of the woods, sort of, isn’t it?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Looks pretty nice.  Is this one of the years with the biodegradable wiring 
 harness?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Haha Ok. Finally heard from Crispy. Will go look at the dead sam GL tomorrow 

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> On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Don’t.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Should I?  Headed up that way...
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 10/27/23 9:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Wow! Heater boxes are intact. That’s really rare.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via 
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 300E - 168k miles - $7,000

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Aspens turned a couple of weeks ago in Flagstaff. They’re done quaking, I 
guess. Leaf peepers are gone.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 10:17 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its been so wet here we haven't haven't had much color, the leaves are mostly 
> just shriveling up and falling, turning a kind of mossy green brown at most.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 07:10:03 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They are falling like snowflakes right now. Peak colors were probably last 
> weekend, but yeah I'm sure there will still be a lot of them out and about.
> 
> I'm not interested in spending $7k on that sort of car. I need to cut back on 
> cars anyway, not add to the fleet. But it does seem to be pretty nice. I 
> don't know if the price is in line with the market.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, at 17:35, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ahh, but you would have to compete with the leaf peepers if the leaves 
>> aren’t already off the trees…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably 20-30 minutes away, yes.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023, at 15:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Yes.
 
 That’s even in your neck of the woods, sort of, isn’t it?
 
 -D
 
> On Oct 26, 2023, at 4:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks pretty nice.  Is this one of the years with the biodegradable 
> wiring harness?
> 
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[MBZ] Pahts Cah?

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Re: [MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

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While I would never own a Mercedes hybrid short of someone gifting me one, the 
concept does work well in my opinion. I've driven several midsize Ford hybrids 
for several weeks at a time and found them to be very efficient. For a “Point A 
to Point B” sort of car, I could see it, just not a highly complex and minimal 
production one, that’s all.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:59 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> As I understand it, they store pretty well but ideally they are at about 
> 70-80% charge for storage, not full charge. And you can't let them freeze. I 
> think they will keep themselves warm if needed but that uses power. So if you 
> have winter, you need a garage, and maybe a heated one at that, or perhaps 
> you can plug it in or have start it every day or two and let it charge.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:55, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> There’s a guy in Orlando on FBM who sells a lot of parts, and he had a 
>> brand new, still-in-the-crate, OE batteries for one of these a while 
>> back. I think he wanted $3k-$4k for it, something like that.
>> 
>> If it was NOS, I wonder how well those things handle being stored.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it's a hybrid will it still (possibly) be able to run on the petrol 
>>> engine or do they require a working battery pack to run at all?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:32, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
 If it's bricked it's worth scrap
 
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[MBZ] It has given me obsoletely no issues - 1985 300D - 286k miles - $11, 000

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"The left rear window does not lower and the air conditioning is nonfunctional."

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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Close by? You should go get it. 

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Re: [MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

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As I understand it, they store pretty well but ideally they are at about 70-80% 
charge for storage, not full charge. And you can't let them freeze. I think 
they will keep themselves warm if needed but that uses power. So if you have 
winter, you need a garage, and maybe a heated one at that, or perhaps you can 
plug it in or have start it every day or two and let it charge.


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> There’s a guy in Orlando on FBM who sells a lot of parts, and he had a 
> brand new, still-in-the-crate, OE batteries for one of these a while 
> back. I think he wanted $3k-$4k for it, something like that.
>
> If it was NOS, I wonder how well those things handle being stored.
>
> -D
>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If it's a hybrid will it still (possibly) be able to run on the petrol 
>> engine or do they require a working battery pack to run at all?
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:32, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
>>> If it's bricked it's worth scrap
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1434036230492774
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Re: [MBZ] Pahts Cah?

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My concern would be the rust repair around the bottom of the back windows. If 
this isn’t done properly you’ll never get it sealed properly.

-D

On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

Some good looking parts - uncracked dash, interior panels.  Hard to decide 
whether it makes more sense to restore v. parting it out.

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Re: [MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

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There’s a guy in Orlando on FBM who sells a lot of parts, and he had a brand 
new, still-in-the-crate, OE batteries for one of these a while back. I think he 
wanted $3k-$4k for it, something like that.

If it was NOS, I wonder how well those things handle being stored.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> If it's a hybrid will it still (possibly) be able to run on the petrol engine 
> or do they require a working battery pack to run at all?
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:32, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
>> If it's bricked it's worth scrap
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1434036230492774
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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To opine on this a bit, I’ve done complete, chassis-off restorations on a few 
cars, and more “cosmetic” restorations than I care to recall. I am not retired 
- yet.

If you’re serious about a major restoration, do your due diligence upfront if 
possible. It will save you some major headaches. Make sure stuff is still 
available, or there’s a good supply in the used market, or rebuilders. Anything 
you can’t do yourself will be your major money consumer. Sure, the results are 
far better, but it costs a lot more, so be sure you understand what you can and 
can’t DIY. Set your expectations at the start. Have an understanding of the 
condition and functionality that you expect to have with the car when you’re 
done. Going full-on “Martha” versus “daily driver” has a significant impact on 
the costs.

I’ve found, and my experiences are hardly unique, that the “cosmetic” 
restorations, as I call them, yield the best return if you’re looking to flip 
or sell short term, especially if the work that’s needed is all within your 
abilities. The last car I did, the 1965 220SEb, was like that. The only thing I 
had to farm out was the headliner. Amazingly, they were in stock in Germany and 
only cost $170. Unfortunately, having a professional install it was around 
$1,000. The dash pad was NLA, and getting the original “restored” wasn’t 
realistic because of the huge backlog all the restoration places had, so I 
ended up getting a reproduction dash pad from a place in Turkey that does 
reproduction parts for vintage MBs. The Turkey dash pad was actually a 
money-saver, as the restoration places wanted about $1800 to restore the 
original pad and the reproduction was only $1k to my door. I bought a lot of 
parts from German suppliers, which was very reasonable, especially if I grouped 
my orders to get as much in each one.

All-in I had around $9k and change in parts, the cost of the car, and related 
expenses like shipping. I had projected $10k, so that worked out well. I sold 
it for almost $15k, so I made (on paper) about $6k. I didn’t track my time, but 
I would estimate at least 100 hours, if not more, were involved from start to 
finish.

It can be different if you’re attached to it and plan on keeping it, but the 
basic idea still applies.

-D




> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Yeah old cars are money pits to put right, but I'd be sorely tempted if that 
> were close. It's a weakness. When I retire and am done sending my money to 
> colleges I hope to be able to restore one or two but the project backlog is 
> already large so we'll wait and see.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> $10k minimum DIY to make it whole. That doesn’t include paint and body, 
>> just mechanicals and interior. And many hundreds of hours of time.
>> 
>> Not the ideal Floyd car unless he’s looking for a lawn ornament.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Close by? You should go get it. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:38, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540917476652763
 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I would be more in it to make an old car nice as a driver, and correct-looking 
but not necessarily original. Not interested in concours-level perfection or 
the costs of that, or doing restoratations at a profit (Leno says if you're 
making money restoring cars, you are doing it wrong). Just making it look and 
feel nice within the scope of what I can do in my garage. And I'd like to learn 
to do metal shaping and welding well enough to at least patch up minor damage 
and rust.


On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 12:33, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> To opine on this a bit, I’ve done complete, chassis-off restorations on 
> a few cars, and more “cosmetic” restorations than I care to recall. I 
> am not retired - yet.
>
> If you’re serious about a major restoration, do your due diligence 
> upfront if possible. It will save you some major headaches. Make sure 
> stuff is still available, or there’s a good supply in the used market, 
> or rebuilders. Anything you can’t do yourself will be your major money 
> consumer. Sure, the results are far better, but it costs a lot more, so 
> be sure you understand what you can and can’t DIY. Set your 
> expectations at the start. Have an understanding of the condition and 
> functionality that you expect to have with the car when you’re done. 
> Going full-on “Martha” versus “daily driver” has a significant impact 
> on the costs.
>
> I’ve found, and my experiences are hardly unique, that the “cosmetic” 
> restorations, as I call them, yield the best return if you’re looking 
> to flip or sell short term, especially if the work that’s needed is all 
> within your abilities. The last car I did, the 1965 220SEb, was like 
> that. The only thing I had to farm out was the headliner. Amazingly, 
> they were in stock in Germany and only cost $170. Unfortunately, having 
> a professional install it was around $1,000. The dash pad was NLA, and 
> getting the original “restored” wasn’t realistic because of the huge 
> backlog all the restoration places had, so I ended up getting a 
> reproduction dash pad from a place in Turkey that does reproduction 
> parts for vintage MBs. The Turkey dash pad was actually a money-saver, 
> as the restoration places wanted about $1800 to restore the original 
> pad and the reproduction was only $1k to my door. I bought a lot of 
> parts from German suppliers, which was very reasonable, especially if I 
> grouped my orders to get as much in each one.
>
> All-in I had around $9k and change in parts, the cost of the car, and 
> related expenses like shipping. I had projected $10k, so that worked 
> out well. I sold it for almost $15k, so I made (on paper) about $6k. I 
> didn’t track my time, but I would estimate at least 100 hours, if not 
> more, were involved from start to finish.
>
> It can be different if you’re attached to it and plan on keeping it, 
> but the basic idea still applies.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah old cars are money pits to put right, but I'd be sorely tempted if that 
>> were close. It's a weakness. When I retire and am done sending my money to 
>> colleges I hope to be able to restore one or two but the project backlog is 
>> already large so we'll wait and see.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> $10k minimum DIY to make it whole. That doesn’t include paint and body, 
>>> just mechanicals and interior. And many hundreds of hours of time.
>>> 
>>> Not the ideal Floyd car unless he’s looking for a lawn ornament.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Close by? You should go get it. 
 
 On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:38, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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Yeah old cars are money pits to put right, but I'd be sorely tempted if that 
were close. It's a weakness. When I retire and am done sending my money to 
colleges I hope to be able to restore one or two but the project backlog is 
already large so we'll wait and see.


On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> $10k minimum DIY to make it whole. That doesn’t include paint and body, 
> just mechanicals and interior. And many hundreds of hours of time.
>
> Not the ideal Floyd car unless he’s looking for a lawn ornament.
>
> -D
>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Close by? You should go get it. 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:38, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540917476652763
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

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For what it's worth, the latest Hagerty Owner’s Club magazine is themed as the 
“patina” edition. It’s 2-3 page articles on owners who have old cars that they 
drive regularly but have not been restored. It’s actually pretty cool, there 
are some really interesting cars and many of them look like they’ve been 
sitting out in the AZ desert for decades, but they’re still drivable.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 2:53 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> I would be more in it to make an old car nice as a driver, and 
> correct-looking but not necessarily original. Not interested in 
> concours-level perfection or the costs of that, or doing restoratations at a 
> profit (Leno says if you're making money restoring cars, you are doing it 
> wrong). Just making it look and feel nice within the scope of what I can do 
> in my garage. And I'd like to learn to do metal shaping and welding well 
> enough to at least patch up minor damage and rust.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 12:33, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> To opine on this a bit, I’ve done complete, chassis-off restorations on 
>> a few cars, and more “cosmetic” restorations than I care to recall. I 
>> am not retired - yet.
>> 
>> If you’re serious about a major restoration, do your due diligence 
>> upfront if possible. It will save you some major headaches. Make sure 
>> stuff is still available, or there’s a good supply in the used market, 
>> or rebuilders. Anything you can’t do yourself will be your major money 
>> consumer. Sure, the results are far better, but it costs a lot more, so 
>> be sure you understand what you can and can’t DIY. Set your 
>> expectations at the start. Have an understanding of the condition and 
>> functionality that you expect to have with the car when you’re done. 
>> Going full-on “Martha” versus “daily driver” has a significant impact 
>> on the costs.
>> 
>> I’ve found, and my experiences are hardly unique, that the “cosmetic” 
>> restorations, as I call them, yield the best return if you’re looking 
>> to flip or sell short term, especially if the work that’s needed is all 
>> within your abilities. The last car I did, the 1965 220SEb, was like 
>> that. The only thing I had to farm out was the headliner. Amazingly, 
>> they were in stock in Germany and only cost $170. Unfortunately, having 
>> a professional install it was around $1,000. The dash pad was NLA, and 
>> getting the original “restored” wasn’t realistic because of the huge 
>> backlog all the restoration places had, so I ended up getting a 
>> reproduction dash pad from a place in Turkey that does reproduction 
>> parts for vintage MBs. The Turkey dash pad was actually a money-saver, 
>> as the restoration places wanted about $1800 to restore the original 
>> pad and the reproduction was only $1k to my door. I bought a lot of 
>> parts from German suppliers, which was very reasonable, especially if I 
>> grouped my orders to get as much in each one.
>> 
>> All-in I had around $9k and change in parts, the cost of the car, and 
>> related expenses like shipping. I had projected $10k, so that worked 
>> out well. I sold it for almost $15k, so I made (on paper) about $6k. I 
>> didn’t track my time, but I would estimate at least 100 hours, if not 
>> more, were involved from start to finish.
>> 
>> It can be different if you’re attached to it and plan on keeping it, 
>> but the basic idea still applies.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah old cars are money pits to put right, but I'd be sorely tempted if 
>>> that were close. It's a weakness. When I retire and am done sending my 
>>> money to colleges I hope to be able to restore one or two but the project 
>>> backlog is already large so we'll wait and see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:56, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 $10k minimum DIY to make it whole. That doesn’t include paint and body, 
 just mechanicals and interior. And many hundreds of hours of time.
 
 Not the ideal Floyd car unless he’s looking for a lawn ornament.
 
 -D
 
> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Close by? You should go get it. 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:38, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540917476652763
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It has given me obsoletely no issues - 1985 300D - 286k miles - $11, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Those aren't issues.  Those are character traits.

Will require a lifetime Rx for anti-boredom drugs.

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> "The left rear window does not lower and the air conditioning is
> nonfunctional."
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

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If it's a hybrid will it still (possibly) be able to run on the petrol engine 
or do they require a working battery pack to run at all?

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> I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
> If it's bricked it's worth scrap
>
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Re: [MBZ] Pahts Cah?

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Some good looking parts - uncracked dash, interior panels.  Hard to decide
whether it makes more sense to restore v. parting it out.

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> <
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/cto/d/port-charlotte-1985-mercedes-300td-wagon/7681248745.html
> >
> [00V0V_b8xShw1ayw1_0t20CI_600x450.jpg]
> 1985 Mercedes 300td diesel for sale by owner - Port Charlotte, FL -
> craigslist<
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/cto/d/port-charlotte-1985-mercedes-300td-wagon/7681248745.html
> >
> fortmyers.craigslist.org<
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Re: [MBZ] Looks solid and complete -- project 1957 Mercedes 190, $1, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

$10k minimum DIY to make it whole. That doesn’t include paint and body, just 
mechanicals and interior. And many hundreds of hours of time.

Not the ideal Floyd car unless he’s looking for a lawn ornament.

-D

> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Close by? You should go get it. 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:38, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1540917476652763
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Re: [MBZ] will not start, 47 k miles only, 0% battery charge on dash, hasn’t been started for more than a year, 2011 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 400 Hybrid Sedan 4D,$5,700

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Oh  -- re-reading what you wrote, you were talking about storing the batteries 
themselves.

Yeah they need to be charged to 70-80% and kept from freezing. For long term 
storage they might need some kind of battery-minder attached?


On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:59, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> As I understand it, they store pretty well but ideally they are at 
> about 70-80% charge for storage, not full charge. And you can't let 
> them freeze. I think they will keep themselves warm if needed but that 
> uses power. So if you have winter, you need a garage, and maybe a 
> heated one at that, or perhaps you can plug it in or have start it 
> every day or two and let it charge.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 11:55, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> There’s a guy in Orlando on FBM who sells a lot of parts, and he had a 
>> brand new, still-in-the-crate, OE batteries for one of these a while 
>> back. I think he wanted $3k-$4k for it, something like that.
>>
>> If it was NOS, I wonder how well those things handle being stored.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it's a hybrid will it still (possibly) be able to run on the petrol 
>>> engine or do they require a working battery pack to run at all?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, at 08:32, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 I recall seeing somewhere that the batteries for these things are $40k.  
 If it's bricked it's worth scrap
 
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[MBZ] 1997 E320 - 167k miles - $3,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Bargain it down for the non-working AC and other issues; looks nice enough to 
have some life left as a driver.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/nashville-97-mercedes-e320/7681279005.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2004 E55 AMG - 142k miles - $15,000

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That’s maybe a $9k car on a good day

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> Sunroof inoperable and a few other small issues but looks overall nice. 
> That's quite a price, is it not? How rare are the supercharged AMG models?
> 
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[MBZ] I fit! (Sorta)

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Dropped in n my buddy Todd’s shop to leave off the swap E350 that refuses to 
start. Was cranking but not firing, now not cranking after some fooling around 

He has a couple Lambos in the shop, one getting an upgrade to 1650hp with huge 
turbos, etc. it will be a monster. 





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Re: [MBZ] I bought a newer updated alignment machine

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 18:15:59 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> Hard to get a good pic of it but it’s basically like a spring loaded
> shower curtain rod with points on the end. It can be adjusted to
> whatever length and one end is spring loaded supposed pushing the
> wheels out simulating driving 

Thank you!


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[MBZ] 2004 E55 AMG - 142k miles - $15,000

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Sunroof inoperable and a few other small issues but looks overall nice. That's 
quite a price, is it not? How rare are the supercharged AMG models?

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Re: [MBZ] I bought a newer updated alignment machine

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 17:56:29 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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> Next up I will throw the 210 on it and see how it compare to the
> printout the local tire place gave me with and without the spreader
> bar, and see about getting the camber adjusted. 

What do you use for a spreader bar? Picture?

Thanks,


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[MBZ] A new estate for OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] 2004 E55 AMG - 142k miles - $15,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Very.  You can get a 10 year newer Bluetec E250 sedan for about the same
price.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:28 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sunroof inoperable and a few other small issues but looks overall nice.
> That's quite a price, is it not? How rare are the supercharged AMG models?
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> https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/westerville-2004-mercedes-e55-amg/7681224913.html
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