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How many people here have problems loosing their subscription every week? What OS and client email are you using? this is really nagging Xavier Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
font size
Is this a known bug or an expected behavior in MC 2.3.2? I have a substack which has the font size set to 9 point, so all buttons have smaller text. This works as expected. However, when I clone this substack, the font size resets to default and the text becomes too big. According to the documentation, clone should make the copy identical to original but it does not seem to. Or do I miss something? Robert Brenstein Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: New language syntax (Was: New Image Features)
Well, the point I was trying to make was: should a tool be as easy to use as possible, by as many people as possible, or should it require specialized training and obscure knowledge? Actually the point you made in your first message on the issue was that some terminology was foreign to you and you decided to enforce your demand to Scott to change it by playing the average user and us card. As a new MC user, I agree with Jacqueline. If the explanation offered on the list was part of the documentation, may be the issue with blendLevel would not have arised. It is ideal if the MetaTalk keywords are self-explanatory. This is not always possible. Keeping things obscure, thus usable by pros only, is doubtfully the purpose of MC. I could not help but notice that we have synonyms for quite a few terms, allowing people with different backgrounds to use the term that is the most meaningful to them. Scott obviously did it for a reason. Andu, please ease up. The aggressive tone of some of your posts helps nobody. MetaCard is a commercial product and we all paid a chunk of money for the right to use it. We thus expect the developer to listen to our vows and try to make it a better tool for each of us. We can send all of all these directly to Scott, but we should also be able to post them to the list for the scrutiny of others without worry of personal attacks or snearing from MC pros. If we do not voice our issues on the list, Scott may loose some valuable input. Robert Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
load and go of gzipped stacks?
I'm experimenting with using load url and go url to download and run stacks from web servers. Is there a way to download gzipped stacks, decompress() them and run them using these commands? I imagine one could get the gzipped stack, put it into a variable, decompress() it, write it to a disk file, then open the stack from there. But is there a way to do it with load and go? Thanks Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC 2.4 Strange behaviors
H. Chaudet wrote: A short test of old MC stacks with MC 2.4 B1 showed the following curiosities: - About the select command: with a simple locked field, select line (word 2 of the clickLine) of the target hilite just the clicked line, but select the clickLine includes the carriage return in the selection (after verification, this behaviour has changed between 2.2 and 2.3). - It seems to be impossible to change http headers with the httpheaders properties. This needs some explanations which were partially covered by the README: up to 2.3.x all http stuff was handled by the engine which provided a minimal header, therefore the need for httpheaders. Since 2.4 we have a library (which is a substack of the Metacard Menu Bar) which handles http, ftp and it is called libURL. The headers are custom properties of this stack and by default they are more complex then before. They (like anything else in the libURL stack) can be changed obviously by editing the stack. - Time response to http fetching shows important fluctuations: Just build a simple browser that just set the htmltext of a fld with the content of an url given in another fld and then make a call to answer OK. Then try to display the content of the two urls http://wilson.ai.mit.edu/cl-http/cl-http.html; and http://wilson.ai.mit.edu/cl-http/headers.html; With MC 2.3 the response is (quasi) immediate. With MC 2.4, in the second case, the script is hung for some seconds. I just tested the urls with the most recent libURL. The first url loads fine as you say but the second one shows a problem more with the server then the stack. It is what they call a dynamically-produced content which means that the page header doesn't provide the total length of the message but the message is divided into chunks and you get the next chunk size as you go along the last one being of course 0. I would say that the library handles this correctly since I tested with as many urls I could find and it is the server which either doesn't count the chunk length properly or it forgets to add a crlf after each chunk as it is supposed to. Note that the server (common Lisp-http) is not a standard one and it may be not sufficiently tested. I will look into this some more though. Herve Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Answer dialog: Undocumented feature or risky hack?
Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded regarding the answer dialog creating the same mnemonic for different options as follows: Guess this is a case we hadn't considered. I'll bug report it. Since MetaCard doesn't resolve the conflict when two options start with the same letter, I suppose I need to change my terminology, say replace Complete with Total. I can think of two other ways to deal with this situation, both of which involve enhancing the scripts in the answer dialog (and, yes, you can do this yourself). The first would be to have it accept embedded mnmonic tags like menus do (i.e., the character after a is the mnemonic, and the gets stripped out). The advantage is that the developer has precise control over the mnemmonic. The disadvantage is loss of backward compatibility and maybe a bit of surprise for the new developer who tries to put an in one of the choices (you'd have to put in where you want a single to appear). The other option is to add a little AI where the script would detect conflicts like this and do a search for appropriate alternatives. No loss of backward compatibility, but the choices the script makes might not be the same ones the developer would make. Any preferences? And if anyone decides to do this, by all means send us the script. It's unlikely we'll get to this one before 2.4 is released. Regards, Scott I have a system extension on my Mac that takes the second approach in creating command-key-plus-letter-key keyboard equivalents for Mac OS dialog boxes. It inserts a red underline under one of the letters of the descriptor on each button to indicate what letter is to be used. It does this not only for the standard dialogs such as Print and Save but also for the highly specialized ones such as those unique to PageMaker. It seems to work well, usually taking the first letter. One AI feature is that it appears to always set up Cancel as Command-A even if there would be no conflict with using C. This second approach would be slick, but would be more work for Scott's crew to develop and assure that it doesn't create more problems than it solves. The first (ampersand) approach would be easier to implement, would create fewer if any new problems, and would give MetaCard application developers the ultimate control. Also, there is the question in my mind of how important this matter really is. Do people use keystroke mnemonics enough to warrant the effort to finetune this feature? (I know that even though I have beaucoup keystroke options on my Mac with my system extension, I rarely use them.) In case it is of interest to anyone, the system extension is called QuickTools Dialog Power!, copyrighted by Advanced Software, Inc. in 1992. In spite of its age, it still works with my vintage 1997 version 8.0 Mac OS. (Do you get the idea that I wait until others have worked out the bugs before moving on to the next version of the software I use. :-) ) John Kiltinen Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: load and go of gzipped stacks?
Richard Herz wrote: I'm experimenting with using load url and go url to download and run stacks from web servers. Is there a way to download gzipped stacks, decompress() them and run them using these commands? I imagine one could get the gzipped stack, put it into a variable, decompress() it, write it to a disk file, then open the stack from there. But is there a way to do it with load and go? After you load url you do 'put decompress(url the-url) into url file:new-location' and then you 'go url file:new-location' or something like that. You can do it without writing to file, just in variables, in which case after you decompress the data you would go variable-name. Thanks Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: load and go of gzipped stacks?
Richard Herz wrote: I'm experimenting with using load url and go url to download and run stacks from web servers. Is there a way to download gzipped stacks, decompress() them and run them using these commands? I imagine one could get the gzipped stack, put it into a variable, decompress() it, write it to a disk file, then open the stack from there. But is there a way to do it with load and go? After you load url you do 'put decompress(url the-url) into url file:new-location' and then you 'go url file:new-location' or something like that. You can do it without writing to file, just in variables, in which case after you decompress the data you would go variable-name. Thanks Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: load and go of gzipped stacks?
Recently, Richard Herz wrote: I'm experimenting with using load url and go url to download and run stacks from web servers. Is there a way to download gzipped stacks, decompress() them and run them using these commands? I imagine one could get the gzipped stack, put it into a variable, decompress() it, write it to a disk file, then open the stack from there. But is there a way to do it with load and go? I'm doing the former option with some stacks, and am also using base64 decoding. Works great. This isn't explicitly handled by load or go, but if you want to see the scripts, lemme know. Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: load and go of gzipped stacks?
- Original Message - From: Richard Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: load and go of gzipped stacks? I'm experimenting with using load url and go url to download and run stacks from web servers. Is there a way to download gzipped stacks, decompress() them and run them using these commands? I imagine one could get the gzipped stack, put it into a variable, decompress() it, write it to a disk file, then open the stack from there. But is there a way to do it with load and go? This works: 1) Make a one-card stack that has a button and a field. 2) Put this handler in the button script: on mouseUp load url http://members.home.net/phildavis/mc/test/joneslib2.mc.gz; \ with message expandDownload end mouseUp 3) Put this handler in the card script: on expandDownload pURL,pStatus put the params into fld 1 go decompress(url pURL) unload url pURL end expandDownload 4) Click the button! Regards, Phil Davis Thanks Rich Herz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: query
I think it may have more to do with the speed, config or commands used by your mailserver, when it interacts with the listserver. I quit using my @home.com e-mail address for the list because I was getting bumped regularly. Now, using another address, I'm a happy camper - no bumps! Phil Davis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: query How many people here have problems loosing their subscription every week? What OS and client email are you using? this is really nagging Xavier Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. END OF DISCLAIMER Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: New language syntax (Was: New Image Features)
Robert Brenstein wrote: Well, the point I was trying to make was: should a tool be as easy to use as possible, by as many people as possible, or should it require specialized training and obscure knowledge? Actually the point you made in your first message on the issue was that some terminology was foreign to you and you decided to enforce your demand to Scott to change it by playing the average user and us card. As a new MC user, I agree with Jacqueline. If the explanation offered on the list was part of the documentation, may be the issue with blendLevel would not have arised. It is ideal if the MetaTalk keywords are self-explanatory. This is not always possible. Keeping things obscure, thus usable by pros only, is doubtfully the purpose of MC. I could not help but notice that we have synonyms for quite a few terms, allowing people with different backgrounds to use the term that is the most meaningful to them. Scott obviously did it for a reason. Andu, please ease up. The aggressive tone of some of your posts helps nobody. I apologize for loosing my temper. In the process I also managed to switch the focus from the more important points of my posts. MetaCard is a commercial product and we all paid a chunk of money for the right to use it. We thus expect the developer to listen to our vows and try to make it a better tool for each of us. We can send all of all these directly to Scott, but we should also be able to post them to the list for the scrutiny of others without worry of personal attacks or snearing from MC pros. If we do not voice our issues on the list, Scott may loose some valuable input. Robert Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
No Subject
Does MC work on Linux based PADDs (or PDAs) ? [ its been 6 years and i dont know which apreviation/acronym to use, Paramount's or Apple's.] I havent bought a PADD/PDA since my Apple Newton Message Pad 100. The load-it-once attitude is clearly the right aproach for embeded/wearable/pocket computers. I have noticed that on monochrome macOS boxen the colours come out all but unreadable. BW seems impossible with recent versions. Perhaps its high time to reevaluate systems requirements. Obviously winCE is a great concern to a great many people. if MC can get to WinCE and Linux PDAs FIRST there is an rapidly emerging (or growing?) market to corner. RE As a Windows CE user (I have a Cassiopeia E125 Pocket PC), and it supports Visual Basic applications that are developed for the Pocket PC platfom. It basically runs like VB, or SC or MetaCard... you have an interpreter that is loaded once, and a number of projects that run with the interpreter. In the case of EVB (Embedded Visual Basic - the name for the development environment for Pocket PCs), you have a pvbscript.dll which is the main interpreter (and weighs in at about 600K), and individual projects can be anything from 5K on up. If MetaCard were to do the same thing; that is, create a version of MC which could be downloaded to a PDA and then only stacks would get downloaded and run off the interpreter, it would be quite reasonable. Just my $0.02, Ken Ray Manager of Systems Technology Thinking Publications, Inc. http://www.thinkingpublications.com/ Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: font size
Hi Robert Could it be that the font is set to 9pt in the substack's mainstack and when you clone this substack is now a mainstack of it's own accord and hence there is no inheritance of font? Is this a known bug or an expected behavior in MC 2.3.2? I have a substack which has the font size set to 9 point, so all buttons have smaller text. This works as expected. However, when I clone this substack, the font size resets to default and the text becomes too big. According to the documentation, clone should make the copy identical to original but it does not seem to. Or do I miss something? Robert Brenstein Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
2.4 Embedded Images Syntax/Get URL?
Can someone post an example of the new embedded image option? The info in the read me is still cryptic beyond my ability to make a test work. 2.4 read me says: = Fields now support embedded images and hidden text. To embed an image, set the imageSource property to the name, id, or URL of an image. It always applies to a single character in the field, hiding that character. The linkText property can be used to attach an arbitrary string to a section of text. Both the imageSource and linkText properties are supported via the field's htmlText property. Also a simple script like: on mouseUp start using libURL put url http://www.gurudeva.org/; into fld 1 end mouseUp still doesn't always work as far as getting the html text for the page...it was working in the alpha version, but this same script now does not work in the beta version?? Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com, www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
