Re: Thank you to Metacard and RunRev...
Thank you to you too, Shari to remind us how lucky we are with those great xtalk's and i follow you in thinking all our so kind and intelligent peoples who fighted so hard over the years to give us the opportunity to switch from Hypercard to Supercard, fom Metacard to Revolution. From the Xerox Park Lab's guys to the RunRev Team, this all is just a dream human and technical success story !!!In beetwin many others, thanks to Bill Atkinson, Kevin Calhoun,..., Frederic Rinadi the XCmd man, Dr Scott Raney the sailor, Jeanne and Jacqueline, to all our so sweet RunRev Teamers, to our great dev lists helpfull coallegues and friends =-)A nice day to all of us,Kind Regards,PierreLe 5 nov. 05 à 17:19, Shari a écrit :No questions, no answers, just a happy thought that I love Metacard!I want to take a moment to say Thank You to Scott, for creating Metacard, and to RunRev, who has allowed Metacard to grow forth and flourish, and keep on being.I truly love this language and the doors that it opens. It allows me to pursue a dream that I so enjoy.As a person who came into the computer world one generation too early, before computers became a mainstay, where manual typewriters still existed in the classroom and electric typewriters were all the rage... I say THANK YOU!As a person who did not experience computers in any capacity until my late-thirties was it? Dunno, just a guess...As a person who, thanks to Hypercard, discovered the world of programming, never having studied an official programming language... never having even used a computer but almost immediately upon purchasing my first Macintosh, discovered Hypercard and created a program with it... albeit a simple program but one that opened the doors of creativity...That Metacard allows me to create that which I can imagine... I say THANK YOU!Shari-- Mac and Windows shareware gameshttp://www.gypsyware.com___metacard mailing listmetacard@lists.runrev.comhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores100, rue de ParisF - 77140 Nemours[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33http://www.sahores-conseil.com/WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP"Mutualiser les deltas de productivité" ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MOV and AVI embedded files in Linux standalones
Hello Mathewson,The XAnim linux stuff and some others QT to linux stuffs are all using a windows.dll based QT enabler. I tested all those stuff before and the emulation process make just them to poor to be serioulsly usables under Linux in a real world production mode...Sorry not to be able to be more helpfull,Best Regards,Le 20 sept. 05 à 10:07, Mathewson a écrit :UM . . . I had a go with xanim, and, as you say, thequality of the video is very poor.I have 3 problems here:1. Isn't it possible to use Quicktime for Linux somehow?2. With Mac and Win packages it is quite easy to includea Quicktime detection routine, and, for instance, include aQT installer with a package. Now that LINUX is becomingmore mainline, maybe there should be a way to deliver clipson the Linux platform as easily as the 2 commercial ones.3. I am now working in Bulgaria (not a country oozing withready cash) and trying to set up a pile of Pentium 1 and 2s(!!!) with Linux. Now I own Dreamcard 2.6 and havedownloaded the player for Linux. I have now run into awfulproblems because of the way video is implemented in Ubuntu(favouring Edubuntu) means that software developed usingRR/MC doesn't run: it runs perfectly well with some otherforms of Linux.I realise that RR's priorities do not lie, in the firstinstance, with Linux (hence the lag in version numbers) butxanim is 5 years old: and Linux now is not what Linux wasin 1999.sincerely, Richmond Mathewson__See Mathewson's software at:http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html___---The Think Different Storehttp://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/For All Your Mac Gear---___metacard mailing listmetacard@lists.runrev.comhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores100, rue de ParisF - 77140 Nemoursskype : psahores[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33http://www.sahores-conseil.com/WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP"Mutualiser les deltas de productivité" ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] StackRunner 1.0
Very usefull utility, Ken ! Thanks for doing it available to us.Under Tiger, the "main.rev" option run perfectly there. The "config.srn" worked once only.Best Regards,Le 6 sept. 05 à 20:13, Ken Ray a écrit :Just a quick note to let you all know that I have uploaded a standaloneapplication called "StackRunner" which is similar to the DreamCard Player inthat it will "play" your MetaCard or Revolution stacks, but it is muchsimpler and doesn't present any user-interface elements so it runs"cleaner".When it is launched, it will check to see if there is a stack called"main.rev" in the same directory; if there is, it will open itautomatically. Otherwise it will check for a file called "config.srn" in thesame directory as the standalone and check inside there for information onwhat stack to run. Finally, if neither of these can be found, a simple'answer file' dialog box will be displayed with a generic prompt.StackRunner includes all Rev icons, cursors and libraries, so it should beable to run just about anything. OS 9, OS X and Windows versions areavailable.You can check it out (along with a full description) at:http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htmEnjoy!Ken RaySons of Thunder SoftwareWeb site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]___metacard mailing listmetacard@lists.runrev.comhttp://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores100, rue de ParisF - 77140 Nemoursskype : psahores[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33http://www.sahores-conseil.com/WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP"Mutualiser les deltas de productivité" ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
scrolling text fields with embedded images
Notwithstanding this - it would be really super to have scrolling text fields with embedded images: at least from an educational point of view. Nativelly available in Rev and before in MC since i used it. Richmond __ See Mathewson's software at: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/default.html ___ --- The Think Different Store http://www.thinkdifferentstore.com/ For All Your Mac Gear --- ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: A Philosophical Point (Mathewson)
1.- As a long-time user of GPL and BSD licensed software, i just want to add that Linux is'nt a free OS as soon as we need to use it to run professional-grade solutions alike, DMZ solutions, Internet, Extranet or Intranet portals. In about security and ease of deployment of said free stuff, i always had to pay for licensed professional-grade linux distributions and updates (the Suse-Linux Pro one, in my case). Getting serious solutions running on top of full Free Software is'nt available at all today, even in the universities laboratories. 2.- The Rev Team need to be free to organise its time to think and design the Revolution product line. Without this freedom, Revolution would be a many more low-level core coding development framework, just because when we don't have enought time to think what we are building, we are going to lowest quality software sevelopment. 3.- If i compare what i'm paying each year to stay a registred Revolution user and the good luck i have to be able to use Revolution instead of any low-level core coding development framework, i just know that the licensied fees are still very reasonable, not to say low. 4.- The ones who don't want to help the Rev Team to continue to do its job are, in my mind, free to go to others developments paradigms... There is lots availables, including scripting tools, java or C/C++ frameworks and so on. It's never very good to say to others : what is yours must become mine. In the real world, things are going otherwise and, i thing, it's good so. Just my two cents... Okay. And how exactly is the Rev company going to survive without revenue? Are you wishfully confusing HyperCard as an Apple computer freebie that is no longer supported, with Revolution as a commercial reality? Frankly, both these questions are rhetorical and do not warrant an expose'd rationale, wishful or otherwise. /H >What Runtime Revolution has done has ensured that their >product will only be used by commercial developers (i.e. >those who can pay), and stifled a whole section of the >programming community who would otherwise have contributed >to the growth of the product.___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/> WEB/VoD/ACID-DB services over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: libUrl documentation and download
Le 26 oct. 04, à 23:13, Scott Rossi a écrit : Recently, Mark Talluto wrote: Thank you very much for all of your work. Many of the projects I work on take advantage of this wonderful library. Seconded, thirded, fourthed, and fifthed. Thanks very much Dave. As always, your help and contributions are very much appreciated. Rev/MC could'nt be the n-tier apps development platform of choice they are without embedding LibURL !!! So thanks again and again, Andu. So many thanks for going head with that all, Dave. Best Regards, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 http://www.sahores-conseil.com/ WEB/EAI services ACID DB over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Using php
Hello David, In the way i use my PHP sockets listener and ports translator, we are only speaking from 20 lines of code (no need to know more about PHP). All the application logic is build and run by the MC or Rev application server. To have an eye about the detail, you can get this example app i spoked about previously and pick inside the design logic ;) Yes, it's a server side app directly speaking trought html forms on the client side and binded to a rock solid SQL databases server on the back-end. It works as a remplacement solution (and paradigm !) to the less stuitable Java-based stuffs built to run on top of Tomcat or JBoss servers. To have an eye on what it does (whithout writting anything in this real production state app, please !), you can test it on line in both filling datas mode (login : 0931213N ; password: sais0093) and reporting mode (login : synt0734 ; password: collecte) by visiting http://acacia93.dyndns.org/classpac.xml>. Best, Pierre Le 21 sept. 04, à 13:18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 septembre 2004 12:39:19 GMT+02:00 À: Discussions on Metacard [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Objet: Rép : Using php Pierre Sahores wrote: Le mer 18/02/2004 à 16:28, Brian Yennie a écrit : FWIW, I've also used a method similar to Pierre's for PHP script -> MetaCard daemon work. I have easily supported 50+ users hitting the system hard (with many database queries and a lot of HTML generation) on a modest server. Have yet to see where the maximum is. I never experimented a maximum limit for yet... The most i can say is that +800 connections / seconds are OK under a four year old Linux/Athlon 800/1 Go RAM. My php is not so good - but need to start interfacing with a whole bunch of php code on a web server - so finally going to have a go at adopting Pierre's method - especially now that I can see that using a root protected port should deal with the main security prob? I'm working with TikiWiki which has a very nice templating system (http://smarty.php.net/). So what I need to be able to do is set variables in the php scripts that call the smarty templates - and I want to code these in Rev. Finally it would be great to call the huge library of small php functions (but this can be done ok using REST or shell scripts). NB - if anyone is interested in robust templating systems and MC - have a look at ClearSilver (http://www.clearsilver.net/). Best I've found - light, fast, open source, used by big sites, and multi-language bindings. It's written in C - so all we need is to write some tiny little bit of C glue - and Rev has a world class templating system. I would absolutely love someone to help with that as my C is non-existent :( As far as I can see this php script is a generic way for a url posted to Apache / php to pass this data on to a Rev daemon running on the server - which can then do whatever it likes. Which is cool. But am I right that this is a one way process? What would be great is if I knew enough php to write a function which would communicate over the same socket listener to Rev, and then return this back to php to set a variable or whatever - IAC in other words? Now this can be done with RESTful type interfaces (http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/8155), but it would be even better and more light weight to use a two way socket listening set up on root protected ports - or am I only getting half the picture here? david ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 WEB/EAI services ACID DB over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Using php
Le 21 sept. 04, à 21:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Pierre Sahores wrote:
Yes, it's a server side app directly speaking trought html forms on
the client side and binded to a rock solid SQL databases server on
the back-end. It works as a remplacement solution (and paradigm !) to
the less stuitable Java-based stuffs built to run on top of Tomcat or
JBoss servers.
Got the picture :)
To have an eye on what it does (whithout writting anything in this
real production state app, please !), you can test it on line in both
filling datas mode (login : 0931213N ; password: sais0093) and
reporting mode (login : synt0734 ; password: collecte) by visiting
http://acacia93.dyndns.org/classpac.xml.
Thanks Pierre had a good butchers (look) as they say over here. The
basic thing I want to be clear on is what would a function in php look
like that i can call from a php scrip to set a variable? Let's take an
example. Below is a php script for getting data from a mysql database
and setting some variables for use in a smarty template, the key bit
is not really the database stuff which is what we would replace by
calling Rev to act as middle ware, but the php function that could be
written to talk to the socket listening Rev app and get the results
back so as to set a variable in php (ie the
$smarty-assign(url,$url); bit). I am thinking that we could have
one generic php function that takes the name of a Rev based object to
call and maybe some params, passes the usual post day suitable
packaged, and then returns data (maybe as an array)?
Did you have a look to the PHP sockets listener/translator script I
provide along the example app you can get below ? It's possibly this
kind of stuff you are watching for. See the wmc.xml file (not xml at
all but a simple php script witch don't say its name to the
sad-side-of-the-force hackers...)
To get it, just type
http://acacia93.dyndns.org/rev_web_app.zip from
within your prefered Web browser.
Let me know if that helps.
Best, Pierre :-)
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/* PHP script, sends mysql result to a Smarty template
*/
require_once(Smarty.class.php);
$smarty = new Smarty;
// connect db
mysql_connect('localhost', 'test', 'test');
mysql_select_db('test');
$query = select link, descr, DATE_FORMAT(date_added, '%e %M %Y') as
date, name from intranet_links;
// search for $s
if ($s)
$query .= where (descr like '%$s%' or link like '%$s%');
$result = mysql_query($query);
while ($data = mysql_fetch_array ($result)) {
$url[] .= $data[link];
$descr[] .= $data[descr];
$name[] .= $data[name];
$date[] .= $data[date];
}
$smarty-assign(url,$url);
$smarty-assign(descr,$descr);
$smarty-assign(name,$name);
$smarty-assign(date,$date);
$smarty-display(mysql.tpl);
// close db
mysql_close();
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Re: MC paths
Hello Rick, Did you try in using ? put the filename of the long name of this stack into tPath Best, Pierre Le 9 sept. 04, à 22:39, Rick Rice a écrit : I'm using MC 2.4.3 on Mac OSX I'm using the following to determine the correct path. I have these functions in a standalone which then directs the user to a number of MC stacks. Works great until I burn then to CD. Please, can anyone help? Thanks Rick function AppPath put the filename of this stack into tPath set the itemdel to / If (IsOSX()) then get offset(.app/Contents/MacOS/, tPath) if it 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later delete char it to len(tPath) of tPath end if end if delete last item of tPath return tPath / end AppPath function IsOSX if the platform is not MacOS then return false get the systemversion set the itemdel to . if item 1 of it = 10 then return true return false end IsOSX Plan! I'd rather be surprised. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 WEB/EAI services ACID DB over IP Mutualiser les deltas de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: active plugins
Bonsoir All, If needed, transcript is, as is, full featured to let us start any new stack's add-ons at any time, without having to restart the main Rev running process. I use such features trough http POST commands, each time i need to update a net accessible app. So, the best is probably to add my vote to the No range. Best, Pierre Le 18 juil. 04, à 22:19, J. Landman Gay a écrit : On 7/18/04 11:06 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Do we need an active mode for plugins in addition to the engine-supported open and library options? I've never needed it. Just removing a library stack when I'm done with it seems to do the trick. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: sending mail from MC
'Evening Rick, Yes. In between other ways, Sao Sean's libSMTP 2 great stack is the perfect tool to handle such kind of services. Name: libSMTP #Version : 1.5.0 #Build : 2003.06.24.1 #Authour : Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] #Website : http://shaosean.tk/ Best, Pierre Le 8 mai 04, à 00:26, Rick Rice a écrit : Is it possible to mail directly from a MC stack? My users will complete several activities and a final grade will be given. This grade, users name, ID and several other bits of information are put into a variable. How do I have this variable mailed to me? Does anyone have the script to do this? Will they share it? Thanks Rick Rice Health Sciences University College of the Cariboo ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Post command
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Re: Problem unlocking MC with MC_IDE
Hi Jacque, Alejandro, Jacque is true, Alejandro : The Rev and MC registrations are n't running in the same way : you have no chance to get your registred authentification key filled successfully in the MC IDE if only one letter is not in the right case. The MC registration code take care about the first, the second and the third lines of your registration invoice (a name, an organisation, a keycode number). Hope this helps, Best, Pierre Le 11 avr. 04, à 19:44, M. en T.E. Alejandro Diaz Infante a écrit : On Sunday 11 April 2004 12:27 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: When it happened to me, I found that I wasn't entering my name exactly as it was registered. I have to use Jacqueline Gay without my maiden name. Try some variations on your name and organization, maybe. Nope. No luck here. Tried every possible variation of my name along with my two last names, as well as I played with the name of my school without results... :(?? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Using php
{
$connection = fsockopen(localhost, 4567, $error_number,
$error_description, 30);
if ($connection) {
set_socket_blocking($connection, true);
fputs($connection,);
fputs($connection,$exAE.\r\n);
fpassthru($connection);
}
else{
$connection = fsockopen(localhost, 567, $error_number,
$error_description, 30);
if ($connection) {
set_socket_blocking($connection, true);
fputs($connection,);
fputs($connection,$exAE.\r\n);
fpassthru($connection);
}
else print(erreur numéro $error_number
($error_description)BR\n);
}
}
}
else {
// $f = $_POST['f'];
$f=$HTTP_GET_VARS['f'];
if (substr($f,0,6)=='/tmp/p') {
#Contrôle du fichier (à ne pas oublier !)
if (substr($f,5,4)!='p093' or strpos($f,'.php') or strpos($f,'/') or
strpos($f,'\\'))
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not
Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not
Found/H1P.
H3Nom de fichier incorrect./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
if (!file_exists($f))
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not
Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not
Found/H1P.
H3Le document attendu résulte d'une publication qui n'est
plus
disponible. Renouvelez la requête initiale pour le
recharger./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
if($HTTP_ENV_VARS['USER_AGENT']=='contype')
{
print (HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not
Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not
Found/H1P.
H3Pour pouvoir consulter ce document, une mise-à-jour de
votre navigateur IE est nécessaire./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
exit;
}
#Envoi du PDF
header('Content-type: application/pdf');
// header('Content-disposition: inline; filename=($f)');
readfile($f);
#Suppression du fichier
unlink($f);
exit;
}
else print(HTMLHEADTITLEERROR: File Not Found/TITLE/HEAD.
BODY background='/gif/fond-maison.gif'H1File Not Found/H1P.
H3The file you have requested does not exist on this server./H3.
/BODY/HTMLBR\n);
}
?
In this way, you will be able to build rocking MC/Rev applications servers, able to
run faster than the best J2EE
solution available today (JBoss) applications servers does, instead of, just, slow and
a little capricious MC/Rev CGIs.
Hope this help ;-)
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Re: Storing cgi data in stacks
Hi All, Even if MC/Rev is really able to perform good results in accessing datas in write mode concurrent accesses with flat-files accesses and locking procs on stacks, a best practice is to bind it to an ACID compliant RDBMS (PostgreSQL and Sybase ASE best suitable than Oracle, today) for such kind of jobs. I use this way all the time and it rocks, even in about hundreds of concurrent requests peer second (i never had any server crash over the years). Le mar 18/02/2003 à 15:31, Brian Yennie a écrit : I can't speak for MetaCard's behavior here, although my hope would be that it gives you an error message when you try to perform the second write. snip HTH, Brian And, more importantly, what steps could be taken in a cgi script to make this approach work, if any? Like, if a stack was currently being written to, would darwin mc know that? Is there some message returned like stack is in use or something that you could trap for? And maybe make your own timeout? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Storing cgi data in stacks
Le mer 18/02/2004 à 15:07, Richard MacLemale a écrit : --snip-- I'm starting to look at more online calendar stuff and I'm wondering if I can get away with using metacard stacks instead of learning MySQL. Stacks are, well, so much more fun to work with. I'll learn and use MySQL if I have to, but it looks like a pain in the ass compared to just making a stack. The stuff I'm looking at is for small group use - not something that's going to be hit a kabillion times from the web. Richard, Please, don't never spend time in binding MC/Rev to MySQL 3.23. MySQL is not a real DB server (don't contain any transactions management engine) and all it can perform (without crashing) will always be better done inside MC/Rev (even, if needed in connecting the stacks to flat-files). Else, you will get very good results too, in conecting MC/Rev to rock-solid real ORDBMS (PostgreSQL, Sybase ASE, Oracle or, even, OpenBase...). Thoughts? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Using php
Le mer 18/02/2004 à 16:28, Brian Yennie a écrit : FWIW, I've also used a method similar to Pierre's for PHP script - MetaCard daemon work. I have easily supported 50+ users hitting the system hard (with many database queries and a lot of HTML generation) on a modest server. Have yet to see where the maximum is. The same experience there. I never had to serve more than 200 write-mode connections peer second for yet (with, at least, an idle rate always over 90% !)... Good to have lots of RAM (1Go is my choice). I'm not far from sure that PHP/MC-Rev/PG can handle thousands under XServe even if my apps are still running under olds Linux/Athlon 800... - Brian And if the speed is as good as you keep telling us, then that's even more proof of MC/RR as an excellent platform for developing distributed business applications. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[Fwd: Re: Storing cgi data in stacks]
-- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ---BeginMessage--- Alex, Brian and All, You are true : MySQL 4.0.12 and above are clearly good choices too and MySQL 5 will be a grat (SAPDB) issue. What i had in mind in speaking about MySQL (in general) is that the newbies don't, firstly, care about the issue of the MySQL server they are connecting to and, for yet, most of the MySQL servers, installed by default, by the Linux distribs or the providers are still the 3.23 issue, without the innoDB or MySQL-Max add-ons... Else, i full agree : MySQL 4/5 are/will be good choices too, even if i prefer, for my own, the rock-solid options exclusivelly availables in PostgreSQL 7.xx ;-) Le mer 18/02/2004 à 16:20, Alex Rice a écrit : On Feb 18, 2004, at 7:48 AM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Please, don't never spend time in binding MC/Rev to MySQL 3.23. MySQL is not a real DB server HA! I guess you haven't used MySQL recently, Pierre. Current MySQL versions are ACID as you call it, and they also have another product MaxDB: MaxDB is the result of a strategic alliance between MySQL and SAP to jointly develop and market an enterprise-class Open Source database capable of running high-end business-critical applications including SAP/R3. I would recommend PostgreSQL also though. For the ones interested, just have an eye on the exclusive replication's new features or the pg_dump ones (on-line db backups, without having to stop, first, the connection accesses availability of the server). -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ---End Message--- ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Using php
Hello Jan, At l'Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes (Sorbonne Univ - Paris), where i'm back, this year, to learn algorithmic complexity, we are working, in between other cool projects, about comparing JBoss and MC/Rev performances... just for the fun to show that MC/Rev is always, at least, as solid and as fast running as the JBoss/EJB2 solution can... Secondary, i'm searching time to port the EJB2 design patterns architectur to MC/Rev to help us to get a way to use MC/Rev in team development projects. Bests, Pierre Le mer 18/02/2004 à 16:24, Jan Schenkel a écrit : --snip-- Bonjour Pierre, I would really like to thank you for sharing this information ; I had been experimenting with the CGI-engine, as well as an adapted version of the good old mchttpd.mc stack as webserver. But in both cases, I was concerned with the speed : if the cgi has to be loaded completely and connect to a database etc. every single time that's an enormous overhead ; and using MC/RR as a webserver without multithreading sounds like a suicide mission. The above scenario lets every app do what it does best, with the least overhead : Apache can serve files, PHP can do its hypertext processing, and the MC/RR app can be launched at starup, connect to the database and react to queries without having to serve up static content. And if the speed is as good as you keep telling us, then that's even more proof of MC/RR as an excellent platform for developing distributed business applications. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. PS: the thing I never really got about this setup was how PHP connected to MC/RR sockets ; with the sample code you posted, it's all become crystal clear :-) Scott, Kevin, Tuviah and all are doing the core work for us ! We just have to think how to get the power ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Announcement : IBook Ice 2.2 Apple's video-chipster extention of garantie to 3 years
Le mar 17/02/2004 à 07:49, Chipp Walters a écrit : Thanks both Pierre and Alain! best, Chipp ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard You welcome, Chipp :-) In between : All the owners of Ibook Ice 2.2 have to go back to the Computer store in about a video-chipster possible problem. Apple extends the garanty to three years about this. Mine are both back to Apple... and i just brought an (hopefull more suitable) PWB G4 to avoid more desagrements... -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Intelligent Agents......
Dear All, Thanks Alain, for sharing this,... Runs perfectly after opened it under both HC 2.4.1 and Rev 2.1.2... Electronics.rev.sit Description: Macintosh archive Le 16 févr. 04, à 08:33, Chipp Walters a écrit : I have a HyperCard-based example of a forward-chaining rule-based inference engine. It's very very simple to understand and to use; so much so that you may not see how ths is different from traditional scripting. Here is the URL just in case your interested : http://pan.uqam.ca/cgi-bin/usemod/wiki.pl?Electronics Alain, any chance your stack (and/or the accompanying stack on Neural Nets) be converted to RR? I'm mostly on PC and don't have HC. I don't know how much trouble it would be, but if it's easy... Are we having fun yet ? ;-)) -- I am. I'm too. Chipp ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Intelligent Agents......
Hi Alain, Many Thanks too, from Paris, for your previous post. I'm associating me to the Chipp's second question : how could we gohead with good practices to design and code to life a small team of intelligent agents in MC/Rev ? There is, among some other great books about Artificial Life, an usefull title, unfortunally only available in french, i'm refering all the time, in about this matter : Vie Artificielle by Jean-Philippe Rennard. Editions Vuibert Informatique. 2002, 408 pages. Le 15 févr. 04, à 09:40, Chipp Walters a écrit : Hi Alain, Thanks for the synopsis. How would you see a very basic agent as being able to accomplish all of what you said, in RunRev? Do you typically need self-modifying code? If so, aren't RR's script limits somewhat of a problem. Also, how do IA's differ with Neural Nets? Expert Systems? Genetic Algorithms? I'd be interested in seeing a very simple IA implemented to do something (find the best price online for a product) using RR. Do you know of such an example? Thanks, Chipp Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Intelligent Agents......
Alain, I would be greatly interested, too. Thanks, Bests, Pierre Le 13 févr. 04, à 05:20, Chipp Walters a écrit : Alain, w/out going too much into it, can you explain what an Intelligent Agent does in MC? Perhaps an example? I'm interested in learning more:-) -Chipp ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Socket Time Out Interval
Le ven 30/01/2004 à 17:01, Ray Horsley a écrit : Hi Pierre, That did the trick! Thanks again, Ray Horsley Developer, LinkIt! Software Good Evening Ray, Have fun and, please, believe me : even if the MC/Rev engine is mostly undocumentend in about its ability to be used to develop profesional-grade n-tier applications or server-side applications servers, it's really one of the two or three best tools availables, today (and since years - MC 2.32 and up), to share datas over TCP/IP. Since i use it in such kind of networked workflow apps, i never had to go back to others platforms such as Weblogic, WebSphere or WebObjects. The best from the java world (Eclipse, JBoss, Tomcat, the J2EE EJB's design patterns, Andromda or Hibernate,...) are great tools too but, the java engines, by them self, ar'nt... If you are searching about what ACID RDBMS to bind to your MC/Rev apps, try PostgreSQL (best suited under *NIXes, including MacOSX, than under Windows. It rooks in all the tasks we can have to manage. Last but no last, the MC/Rev engine is NOT SUITABLE in about critical cgi tasks. Choose PHP, Perl or Python instead, even to bind all kind of MC/Rev applications servers to Apache trough a simple sockets listener/ports translator. Hope this helps, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: URL Socket Time Out
Hi Ray, Try to set the sockettimeoutintervall to 10 and to prevent any unneeded pass message on the timeout global default setting by including a : on sockettimeout end sockettimeout in your main stack script. This works fine there under Linux and OSX. Le 29 janv. 04, à 18:06, Ray Horsley a écrit : Greetings, Did I see a note or two a while back about sockets timing out? When uploading a 2.6 meg stack on basic DSL (128k up) I'm consistently getting a socket error that it timed out. I've tired switching from passive to active libUrlSetFtpMode, but it doesn't help. Anybody know how to prevent the socket from timing out? Thanks, Ray Horsley Developer, LinkIt! Software ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivité ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Font symbol in MC 2.5/Linux
Le dim 16/11/2003 10:04, Christoph Wollek a crit : MC 2.5/Linux(intel) does not recognise the font Symbol I need that font badly (MC 2.3 did! - Linux 7.1). Problem with standalones of MC 2.5/Linux (intel): 1. the standalone appears not in the same folder, in which it was created (= MC is in) 2. the standalone on the CD opens not the stacks on the CD but those on the harddisc (the standalone and the stacks were originally on the harddisc). Any help and hints are highly appreciated!!! Thanks in advance! Christoph set the directory to /thepath/youneed/toget/active ;-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours [EMAIL PROTECTED] GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de productivit ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: spreadsheet ( was :10000 fields and crash)
Le jeu 09/10/2003 13:10, jbv a crit : Richard Gaskin : That post explained _what_ was acheived, but not _why_ it couldn't be done with fewer fields. Did I miss something obvious? I'm curious too: Why not just one field, or at most a different field for each column. As Richard suggest, why don't you try to use only one field set as a table object ? Bests, Pierre I tried that option (a different field per column) as a possibility to lower the number of flds, but actually dropped it as it made a few spreadsheet features more difficult to implement : - variable height of rows - multiple lines content of each cell - single cell selection As for the huge saving times I mentioned earlier, I made some progress on this issue : I discovered that it happens ONLY when all 3000 to 1 flds have the same rect (which happens when one creates 1 fld and then use clone fld 1 in a repeat loop). But once flds are arranged in rows cols (have different rect values), then saving is a snap. I don't why this happens like that : it seems that when too many controls have the same rect, MC gets lost, or has to crosscheck everything several times... Nevertheless, I choosed the option of creating flds on the fly, and it works like a charm... And therefore I was wondering whether enough list members would be interested in a spreadsheet made with MC (which could be of many uses, like GUI for a database...) ? If yes, I could put together a library of scripts allowing users to produce an Excel clone... Including bussiness graphics is also a possibility (and why not interactive 3D biz. graphics in openGL ?)... BTW, I have a question : as for the scripting language for cells, should I emulate the one implemented in Excel, or would it be better to use MetaTalk and the do command ? Thanks for any suggestion... JB ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC vs EXCEL
Le jeu 18/09/2003 23:02, jbv a crit : Hi again, Is there a specialist of Excel on this list ? In a project for 1 of my clients, I have a flat database on a server whose content is set via a sophisticated HTML form and a couple of MC cgi scripts. This flat database is a tab-return file with 100 rows and 100 cols. My client wants to visualize / modify all the content at once like in a spreadsheet on his PC, and save modifications on the server. Further data processing will need to be done on the PC (not saved on the server), like generating PDF files from sections of the database content, etc. Is there a way to do that with Excel (view / modify / save the database) or do I have to simulate a spreadsheet with MC ? Thanks, JB Hi JB This could probably work : Replace your flat-file database back-end by an SQL one (Access, FileMaker, Valentina, MySQL, PostGreSQL,...) you can access trough an ODBC driver in using the RevDB library on the Revolution CGI side and Excel on the client-side (the recent issues of MS Excel are able to read and write via ODBC). Hope this help. Bests, ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Message Box placement
Le ven 05/09/2003 06:48, Richard Gaskin a crit : Currently the Message Box is opened below and center to the topmost window. Personally, I prefer it to open at the bottom of the display (aboce the Dock/Task Bar). In the next rev of the IDE, would you folks prefer to have it centered to the topstack or at the bottom of the display? Hi Richard, For my own, i always set it to the top right of the main screen, beside the menubar stack. Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: SEX contributions anyone
Le jeu 04/09/2003 18:17, MisterX a crit : I know Frederic Rinaldi's StripDup but it's Mac Only... Maybe Fred will share his source... I would, for my own, will be really reconnaissant to get from Frederic a port of its HowMany cross-command to the native transcript language ;-) Bests, Pierre cheers Xavier ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: Compress/decompress
Le ven 29/08/2003 22:51, MisterX a crit : Shari, You can get the scripts back by opening your stack with a good editor such as ultraedit on win32 or BBEdit on MacOS. or Nedit 5.xx under Linux Search for your script, bingo! copy paste... voila... nothing lost that is in a script or field that is not compressed or encrypted naturally... cheers Xa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Shari Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 18:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Compress/decompress Compressing the data in a field and putting the compressed data into a customProperty works like a charm. Recalling the data is instantaneous. The stack is now less than 1 MB. * very happy Shari :-) * Now for the questions: I could not figure out how to compress an array. A multi-dimensional array. The array is stored as a customPropertySet. Is there a way to do it? Also, one of my stacks became corrupted with all the experimenting. Unfortunately, it was the stack that holds some key pieces of code. (The backups do not hold the successful pieces of code that I wrote today.) The code is in the script of several buttons. There is no ~stack. Any way to get at these buttons? Shari -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: New tool proposal for the MetaCard IDE
Le jeu 28/08/2003 22:48, Alejandro Tejada a crit : on Wed Aug 27 05:15:01 2003 Pierre Sahores wrote: Thanks Alejandro for doing this great stack available to the list. It works just fine there (Suse-Linux Pro 8.2 x86) and i expect to use it to build graphic charts (Excel alike things) in next apps. Kind Regards, Pierre I'm glad you liked it, Pierre. Every enhancement to this code is welcome. When i will work on this, i will be happy to send you the builted stacks. By the way, you use Linux. Could you check the stack Ink Effects, from my webpage too? It works too, even if the two top scrollbars objects are set before the images (probably nothing, except needing to rearrange the placement of some objects). I suspect that ink effects are switched in Mac or PC. srcOr becomes srcAnd and viceversa. Thanks in advance. Alejandro = Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Best Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: New tool proposal for the MetaCard IDE
Thanks Alejandro for doing this great stack available to the list. It works just fine there (Suse-Linux Pro 8.2 x86) and i expect to use it to build graphic charts (Excel alike things) in next apps. Kind Regards, Pierre Le mar 26/08/2003 19:03, Alejandro Tejada a crit : Hi Developers, Thanks to everyone that shows interest in the bezier drawing tool. Go to my webpage and download the file: Curved drawing pen.zip http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/CurvedDrawingPen_v01.zip This stacks shows 3 different tools to draw curved polygon graphics: two parabolic curves (like a tool from Macromedia Flash) and one that could draw Bezier curves. Notice, with this stack you could only draw, not modify the curves. Later, I'll post that stack too. In fact, modify is simply replacing all the points between two selected points of a polygon graphic. Help is needed to make these drawing tools work as frontscripts within the IDE and any other fixed is happily welcome. :)) Alejandro = Visit my site: http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/ Search the mail list: http://mindlube.com/cgi-bin/search-use-rev.cgi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Looking for mc2.4.1 (Mac)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone be kind and let me know where I can get an copy of 2.4.1 for Mac? Deeply obliged... /H MacOS 9 ? MacOS X ? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: An informal poll....
jbv wrote: BTW I think one should extend the poll to Rev list... I'm wondering if the responses would be similar... I am very sure that the results will be quite different. My feeling is that dynamic scripting is not something that beginners and hobbysts use much. MC was strongly geared to professional developers (whatever that means) whereas Rev went after masses. I share your opinion about different results for the poll on theRev list. But Shari's original question didn't mention dynamic scripting... I for one don't care too much about dynamic scripting : I understand it's a powerful feature, but also know by experience that it's not recommended bcause it's almost impossible to debug. Furthermore, as several earlier posts showed, in numerous situations there are workarounds and alternatives. Actually I was more concerned by the way features of the engine could be abandonned by the new RR team in a near future. And gathering data about how Rev users envision / approach / consider that tool, could give us insights on possible future strategies from the RR team... Unless a real poll proves me wrong, I guess we'd find hobbyists (some of them quite experienced) looking for a HyperCard or OMO reincarnation, or multimedia programers in search for a nice (and cheaper) replacement for Director... BTW, considering the number of bugs crashes in Rev 1.0, I'm surprised that licences brought enough money to buy MC... As for me, I see it mostly these days as a LINK (or a hub) between technologies. Which other tool allows you to quickly prototype (and finalize) prof. cross-platform apps that can, in a few lines of code, talk to other similar apps on a network, send CGI requests to a server, use XML / SQL / PHP, eventually access openGL on each client, etc etc etc ? Last week I had a meeting with a possible client, and I was explaining that MC was the missing link between Director and Code Warrior. Since I've been involved in prog. of externals in C for a few months, I see many similarities between MC and C development : using MC properties functions is very closed to including libraries and using APIs. And when the stuff is done, execution speed is pretty close. But development time is quite different ! And last but not least, cross-platform compatibility can become a real headache in C, while in MC it's a breeze... And I won't even mention compilation ! And last but not least, I have the strong feeling that the future of xTalk is not at all HC reincarnation, but rather to provide end users with the power of Code Warrior (or eventually Visual C) without the headaches... And that more palettes and a less basic GUI is no big deal... Perhaps does it mean more licenses right now, but things might change in a near future, because end users are getting more more educated experienced, projects more sophisticated, etc etc Just compare the apps you were doing with HC in 1991 or OMO in 1995 and what you are doing today... And imagine what you'll be doing (or asked to do by clients) in 2006... What will really help you : sophisticated palettes ? Or powerful features like dynamic scripting, scriptable antialiased vector graphics, scriptable interactive 3D, etc etc etc ? So let's find a way to make sure that the strategy of ppl at RR (as well as Rev list members if needed) isn't to tear up the existing engine (by removing dynamic scripting, abandoning CGI, asking for a license fee per platform, put your bigest fear here), but rather to improve what already exists. JB ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Thanks for this ! -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC/RR and Email launching - windows?
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Re: survey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Just wondering whether the efforts are justified...
How many of you would like me to finish:
a) the enhanced script editor (incl. variable browser) I've made?
b) complete Control Browser (with all properties available for editing
in any object)
c) both a and b
d) you prefer the editor in MC/RR
Survey 2
Assuming these tools work seemesly with (at least) MC
a) it should be freeware (no support guarantee, infrequent updates)
b) it should be shareware (some support for licensees, updates once in a
while)
c) it should be commercial (support + regular updates)
Thanks very much for your answers.
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Xavier,
The IDEs provided to us by the RR/MC team one side, by you second side,
are not, for me, the most important parts of what i expect from our,
even, greatfull, development tool of choice ;-/
In the way i'm using RR/MC to develop (80% of three-part networked apps,
20 of statistics reports engines), the power i need comes from what is
available inside Transcript/Metatalk, not how the IDE will help me to
code the handlers. In other words, when my coding is up, it's always, in
the standards RR/MC IDEs, enough power to let me build the end-users GUI
needed to control the apps and the ways they are running and/or
reporting calculations results.
Beside what ('1), i know you did a very great job to provide us the
Xavier's MC GUI and i'm respectfully of that but i hope you can
understand friendly my position.
Beside what ('2) and because i don't have time to build them myself, i'm
looking for two unavailable tools, to be build from ground in
Transcript/Metatalk... and i would pay lots (aka US $ 500, each) to have
them available for a professional-grade use. The first tool i need is an
app dedicated to build, from a RR/MC front-end app, great *NIX
Firewalls, including multiple boxes solutions (IPTables, DMZ and
such...). The second app i would pay for, if it could be done available
: a Nessus/Saint clone, able to let me scan and control all the
components of my networked processes, including over IP datas serving
and corporate LAN management. Because the *NIX security management is
still far from beeing a piece of cake, i believe it could be a
interesting market for such kind of RR/MC apps.
Hope this help.
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Re: mcnews.rev
Richard Gaskin wrote: Scott Rossi wrote: On my end, I continue to work in MC and save in Rev. The engines are identical, but contrary to what others have posted on the lists, I believe an MC stack must be saved from within Rev to make it Rev-compatible. I got the same bug under OSX 10.2.6 but not under Linux, where the direct saving of MC stacks to Rev's ones works fine. That would be a bug. If it affects the IDEs in that way it may affect your work. Another great benefit of having multiple IDEs: It keeps the engine well-tested and the environments clean. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Script limit - clarify please - BRAVO!
Ken Ray wrote: Kevin, That was one heck of a post... thanks for making it all very clear that it is and has always been RunRev's intent to do the best thing for its customers. Bravo! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ The same there, Kevin ! Thanks a lot. I'm, more and more, thinking that we have just to go head, all together and welcome to the next years... Bravo, again ! Best Regards to the RunRev's Rockers Team, you too, Scott :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: An informal poll....
How many, who have purchased licenses, use MC/Rev to build standalones, that will be distributed to others? I don't create much for my own use. 99% of everything I do, is for distribution, to produce income. The rest of you? The same, there. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Multiple LAN cards mc server apps
Alex Shaw wrote:
Hi,
I haven't tried this yet but I'm sure someone has:)
Using the metacard 'accept on port' command..
1. Will this cause the server app to listen on all available interfaces?
2. How do you restrict metacard listening to just one interface?
regards
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Hi Alex,
The answer is no.
Because each different MC app is only able to listen at one port (aka
one socket listener : a php or cgi script), at one time, you have just
to name the port you want have each app to listen to, just alike below :
on newconnect s # reading the request from a new socket
read from socket s for 1 line with message serverread
end newconnect
on serverread x,y # processing the request
global PostIn,Retour,Debut,Lepath,Ppa
put urldecode(y) into PostIn # données POST reçues de wmc.xml
put cr into char (length(PostIn))-1 to (length(PostIn)) of PostIn
put into Retour
set itemdelimiter to
doswitcher # the code the server app have to run goes here
write Retour to socket x
close socket x # x = adresse IP | n° d'ordre du socket fils reçu de wmc.xml
repeat
if the num of lines in (opensockets()) 1 then close socket line 2 of
(opensockets()) else exit repeat
end repeat
end serverread
on preOpenStack
...
set the socketTimeoutInterval to 10 # to set up to lots more on client-side MC
Jaguar-hosted apps
if the windows is WMCPE (if the server app is running in console-mode in the
background)
then accept connections on port 765 with message newconnect
else accept connections on port 7654 with message newconnect
...
end preOpenStack
It's in setting up the sockets listener script that you will choose the
active interface, one at each time you want to listen to. See the php
example below, witch is able to bind, Apache to the MC application
server, in both console (on root protected port 765) and graphical (on
port 7654) modes :
?
if ($REQUEST_METHOD == POST) {
$headers = $HTTP_POST_VARS;
while (list($header, $value) = each($headers)) $exAE .= $header=$value;
$exAE = urlencode($exAE);
$activapp = substr($exAE,0,5);
if ($activapp == ia832) {
$connection = fsockopen(localhost, 765, $error_number, $error_description, 30);
if ($connection) {
set_socket_blocking($connection, true);
fputs($connection,);
fputs($connection,$exAE.\r\n);
fpassthru($connection);
}
else {
$connection = fsockopen(localhost, 7654, $error_number, $error_description, 30);
if ($connection) {
set_socket_blocking($connection, true);
fputs($connection,);
fputs($connection,$exAE.\r\n);
fpassthru($connection);
}
else print(erreur numéro $error_number ($error_description)BR\n);
}
}
}
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Re: Multiple LAN cards mc server apps
Alex Shaw wrote:
Hi,
I haven't tried this yet but I'm sure someone has:)
Using the metacard 'accept on port' command..
1. Will this cause the server app to listen on all available interfaces?
2. How do you restrict metacard listening to just one interface?
regards
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Alex,
In the previous mail about the subject, please read (about the php
sockets listener) :
...
if ($REQUEST_METHOD == POST) { // PHP issue 4.10
$headers = $HTTP_POST_VARS;
// if (!empty($_POST)) {// PHP issue = 4.10
// $headers = $_POST;
...
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Re: environment question
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 11:13, MisterX wrote: Hi everyone, In view of the future, and with regards to what is running, how can you know if it is MetaCard or RR running your stack? one for the language trivia... Thanks Xavier ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard if the stacks contains .rev then ... else if the stacks contains .mc then ... end if -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Buggy post url cmd - socket stays open
Hi Alain, Try this witch works for me perfectly from MC 2.32 to 2.5: set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return post fld 1 to url myURL Hope this help. Best, On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 05:19, Alain Farmer wrote: Hello Scott and y'all, I have a persistant problem with the post url syntax of MetaCard 2.5, as I did with 2.4 as well. The client is a MetaCard 2.5 stack with the following handler in a button : on mouseUp put http://www.giguere.uqam.ca/; into myHost put myHost XA/MenusXApost.cgi into myURL if the openSockets is empty then post field 1 to url myURL if the result is not empty then answer the result else answer it else beep end if end mouseUp The CGI program on the server-side is a HyperCard-based CGI which performs marvelously. It returns the minimum set of HTTP headers required by MetaCard. The proof of this is that the first click on the above button indeed returns what it is supposed to. Btw, I am using Webstar 2.1 on MacOS 8.6 on the server-side. The problem arises after the first click of this button. On the second and subsequent clicks of this button, the handler beeps, e.g. the openSockets is not empty which, IOW, means that the socket remains open after the first click. In fact, it (the socket) *never* closes, and this inhibits it from doing its thing more than once. My diagnostic, therefore, is that there is a bug in MC's post command whereby the socket that is opened is never closed. Please fix this *bug* by making the socket close automatically ASAP after the reply is received by the MC client. Or give us the new syntax we need to *close* the open sockets ourselves. If you disbelieve my account, then feel free to download a copy of my client stack which exhibits this problem : http://ufp.uqam.ca/MC/test_url_stuff.mc.zip Thank you for your time and earnest work, :) Alain Farmer NB: This is relatively URGENT for me. Please respond as soon as you can [Scott]. It has nothing to do with the interface; this is clearly an engine issue. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Buggy post url cmd - socket stays open
On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 22:18, Alain Farmer wrote: Hello, Hi Alain, Try this witch works for me perfectly from MC 2.32 to 2.5: set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return post fld 1 to url myURL Hope this help. Thank you for the attempt, Pierre, but I tried it just now and my problem remains unchanged. My client stack is running on top of MacOS 8.6 ; do you have the same setup as me? Perhaps this socket bug only affects those using the classic MacOS, or perhaps just a bug in versions of MacOS less than 9.x ... Any further ideas? Distressed, Alain __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi Alain, I don't use MacOS 8+Webstar+HC since 1999 and the up-on config is only used on the linux and jaguar platforms (+Apache+PHP+MC+PostgreSQL). You will probably get a best luck in listening to the Dave's and Brians advices. -- Bests, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MySQL Support
On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 01:14, Simon lord wrote: Hi all, I need to write an app that will allow me to read/write data to MySQL. I'd like to tinker with this on the weekend and I've seen it mentioned here a few times but was not in the market to use such a combination. That said, can some kind sole provide me with the following: 1) Information about what I need in order read/write to MySQL 2) A sample stack (I can change the MySQL table calls) just so get a frame of reference This would be much appreciated, I look forward to playing with it. Sincerely, Simon ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi Simon, David Bowill was the first one to find the way about how to do that. See what he wrote about this in the list-archives and ask him directly about more. If it is not off-topics, i can, if needed, help you to connect a PostgreSQL server from within MC (Linux or Jaguar platforms only). Rgards, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Moving the MC IDE forward
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 20:04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 7/12/03 10:02 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: -- snip -- For those who prefer MC's simplicity, I don't see any harm in continuing to assure it is compatible with the most current Rev engine. People will still have to purchase Revolution to get full access to long scripts, so RR won't lose any money by allowing folks a choice of IDEs. They have already said they won't support alternate IDEs, so it won't cost them anything. And i wants to add that, because, some RR/MC apps needs to be build to run with no GUI at all (backgrounder or console-mode apps and demons), we needs to have a lightweight UI available to code, debug and maintain this kind of apps, for a best usage of the memory and the processor by the hosting servers. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
About MC/RR applications servers
, it supports more concurrent accesses on the same record (over 350 peer sec) than any other db server, Oracle included. About MySQL : Its 3.23 issue dont support more than 10/15 writing-mode concurrent accesses. The 4.0.12-Max issue is more sure (aka the same level of db like Sybase ASE 12.5 or MS SQL Server) but why use it when it's no more harder to install and run PostgreSQL. About Oracle 8/9i : i ran both issues of this server in binding them to one of my tests MC application server. What i found was not so far from comic : the java-installer needs on-line corrections, from within the shell to run up to the end of the installation. The footprint of the Oracle server is in 100's of Megs where the PostgreSQL one is in Megs. The only good news is probably that, by default, the Oracle SQL*Plus demon seems always able to handle the requests very fast (cache). III.- About a more detailled presentation : a.- Read, beside my post on the Metacard archive list, what many of us wrote on the subject (Sadhu, Andu, and many others of us..). b.- Ask again fore more specifics responses when needed. Hope this can help, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: About MC/RR applications servers
On Sat, 2003-07-12 at 23:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Pierre for stepping in. I had indeed misremembered what I had read a few months ago. This makes very interesting reading and is a great overview of what you have done. Let me see if I understand your process: 2.- The Apache demon (configured to accept up to 150 requests peer second) send the request to a .php sockets listener, witch open a socket on a root protected port to the MC/RR demon app running in the backg Do I take it from this that Apache thinks it is talking to a PHP engine? That your MC app is answering as though it is going to process .PHP files? Apache lets PHP do what he has to do and the .PHP sockets listener script just open a tcp/ip socket on port xxx without care about the app (MC/REV in our case) witch will respond to the socket embedded request. The .PHP sockets listener will just block until he get a contents reply to send back to the Apache demon. If the demand contains an SQL request, the MC/RR demon open a connection to the psql command-line client of the Postmaster demon of PostgreSQL trough a metatalk/transcript shell() request, waits for the response, makes if needed calculations on the SQL datas reply and, send it back to the opened .PHP socket If I understand so far, the MC demon app then processes the request, shelling out to the OS and invoking the command-line interface to the PostgreSQL SQL interpreter. Yes If I have understood it, then it is quite surprising that it should be so fast. Surely the invokation of the shell() to connect to PostgreSQL is precisely the kind of process forking that is advised against with CGI? Just do tests and you will see as me that this works perfectly, faster for example, than in using ASP's or PHP commands, because the linux bash optimisations, because the psql perfect design to work in command-line pipe mode. About using the shell() in place of ODBC or others middleware to bind the MC/RR demon to the SQL server : just lots more faster, This really does go against the prevailing wisdom. Yes, probably because this way is not as expensive as it could be in using, instead, best knowed commercial middlewares ;-) add to the MC/RR demon many special procedure to replace the ones that don't work as easy and fast in the other parts of the server (aka. build-in replacements of the SQL triggers, stoked procedure and vues). You mean by this, that triggers, SPs, views, etc all work via command line interaction, but because they are slow you have replaced the functions they perform with MC processing? I just remplace all of them by metatalk/transcript calculations on very simple SQL requests replies (all my tables have a dual column index key - chars+unique integer - and internal sequences are controlling the unicity of the records), available inside the MC/RR process as global vars. 1000 clients peer app Do I take it from this, that each of your servers is running just one of the MC demons, and that this demon is expected to be able to serve 1000 client requests? No and yes : Some servers are running up to five different MC/RR demons, each one listening for sockets requests on a different port. Two of my MC/RR demons are serving an ERP app to 1000 clients but those are never connected in writing mode at the same second (in practice, non more than 50 connections peer sec, aka 1/3 of what Apache is accepting before queuing the more requests he could receive). The others MC/RR demons are no serving more than 250 clients. The two first apps are each hosted on a different Suse 8 Pro x86 - Athlon 800 1 Go Ram - server. All the other apps are hosted on 3 st box, again Suse 8 Pro x86 - Athlon 800 1 Go Ram. I'm in discussion about the possibility to switch some apps on an XServe, but, for yet, because Jaguar is lots slower than Linux is, i prefer wait and see until having testing Panther ;-) What is the specification of your server in terms of RAM and CPU? How large is the database that the clients query? What is the proportion of reads to writes? 75% of writes on databases going from some megs (events statistics) up to 250 Megs of datas, with, as an average, no more than 10 Megs peer table (administrative forms). I'm sure you have only fuelled the interest in running server-side faceless Revolution apps :-) Thanks again, Bernard. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Multiple instances on Mac OS X
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 20:04, Richard Gaskin wrote: Is there a flag that can be set on OS X to have an app run in a separate instance each time it is opened as it does on all other OSes? Richard, This is probably available in using the darwin engine in console mode and, perhaps, from within the XDarwin XFree86 graphical interface. -- Bests, Pierre Sahores Serveurs d'applications bases ACID SQL Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
A speed difference between MC and Rev ?
Hello Any All there My name is Pierre Sahores and i'm testing Rev 2.0.1 to see if i can switch some of my MC 2.5 projects to Rev. 1.- After downloading the 30 days free trial issue of Revolution 2.0.1 (linux x86), 2.- I open the main stack of the mc 2.5 project i'm just working on, 3.- I open, one after each other, the 12 substacks of this project : it takes seconds to get each window displayed on screen where it takes some ticks to get the same result in running the same project under MC 2.5 ? Any idea about this speed bug ? Is that normal ? Do i have some thing to do to get the same speed results in using Revolution than in using MC ? Any help will be greatly apprecied. Thanks ! -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Saving scripts
Gregory Lypny a écrit: Hello Everyone, Is there a way to save scripts while you're working without having to close, and then reopen, the current script window in Mac OS X? Greg ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hello there, This feature is yet available in Metacard 2.5. Try command-l to see if it was an available but undocumented feature in the previous issues of MC. Bests, Pierre Sahores ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] libSMTP v1.5.0
Shao Sean a écrit: well, i finally got around to getting it finished and released, so here it is.. libSMTP v1.5.0 - plain text messages - html messages (with inline/embedded images) - file attachments - smtp authentication have fun -Sean http://shaosean.tk/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Thanks a lot Shoa to do this great stuff available to the list. I will test it as soon as possible. Bests, Pierre Sahores ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!
Ken Ray a écrit: Just went over to the RunRev site and saw this headline: Runtime Aquires MetaCard Technology You can read all about it here: http://www.runrev.com/metacardpr.html How does everyone feel about this? I can see good and not-so-good things (depending on how RunRev acts on this)... Your thoughts? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Friends, I just hope that this will do both Kevin and Scott stronger and able to build great new issues of our prefered XTalk. Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Saving scripts
Gregory Lypny a écrit: Hello Everyone, Is there a way to save scripts while you're working without having to close, and then reopen, the current script window in Mac OS X? Greg ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hello there, This feature is yet available in Metacard 2.5. Try command-l to see if it was an available but undocumented feature in the previous issues of MC. Bests, Pierre Sahores ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Customising the Metacard Environment
W. Sanke a écrit: On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 03:27:24 -0400, Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the best ways to customise (British 'S' in 'customise') Metacard (and vice versa) is to open its components using Runtime Revolution to edit. However (this will not make me popular) I personally find that Runtime Revolution wipes the floor with Metacard - and seems even more customisable. Richmond Mathewson One would have to go very much into details to compare and assess the advantages and deficiencies of Metacard and the Revolution GUI. It is also a matter of personal taste and what demands you have as to how organized and how fast an environment should be. Another difference would be the needs of beginners and power users - and even power users may prefer quick access to the most needed functions, while others are comfortable with walking through a maze. And above all, it may depend on what you learned first: Most people like what they already know.- Concerning the language problem: There are so few regional variations of written English that it is indeed worth mentioning if you find any. Otherwise the English language is very much like Chinese - with a common written basis and a great number of mutually incomprehensible spoken dialects; a speaker of Australian or Tamil English (the latter spoken around Madras) will probably never understand a man from Texas. As for the British Isles, George Bernard Shaw has competently described the situation of spoken English. Maybe we should start on the roadmap for international understanding with a spelling bee? Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi Friends, What is good for Runtime Revolution is good for the Metacard engine and what is good in the Metacard engine makes Runtime Revolution more powerfull. In a more subjective way, the ones who loves Revolution + the ones who loves Metacard + the ones who loves both makes the professional grade XTalk's market share bigger. Is't it not the best the developers, we all are, can expect for our prefered RAD tool ? Bests, Pierre Sahores ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!
Ken Ray a écrit: Just went over to the RunRev site and saw this headline: Runtime Aquires MetaCard Technology You can read all about it here: http://www.runrev.com/metacardpr.html How does everyone feel about this? I can see good and not-so-good things (depending on how RunRev acts on this)... Your thoughts? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Friends, I just hope that this will do both Kevin and Scott stronger and able to build great new issues of our prefered XTalk. Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: File Permissions
Gregory Lypny a écrit : Hello everyone, Is there any way to set a file's permissions (e.g., locked, read only) on Mac OS X from within MC? Regards, Greg ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Yes. Just try to get what you need in using the prompt shell and, than, paste the issued function in a shell() mt script. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!
both best marketed and more powerfull. It's good so and the some time i will spend to learn to adapt my methods and apps to the RunRev 2.xx IDE is just the contribution i need to do to let them be sure that there are developpers OK with the strategic choice they did this week in contracting the acquisition of MC by RR. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Scott's legacy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Regardless of whether you think MC's acquisition by Run Rev bodes good or bad, I think we can all agree that Scott has done a fantastic job with MC and his customer service is unsurpassed. I have been the fortunate recipient of a number of Scott's instant responses (even one at 1:30 AM CST) as, I am sure, practically eveyone on this list has at some time or other. I hope Run Rev recognizes the unequaled market value of this service and continues the tradition. Three cheers for Scott! Philip Chumbley ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard The same for me :-) -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBDR (Web/PGI) Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Re:METACARD ACQUIRED BY RUN REV!!!
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 20:31, Shari wrote: We've got MC 2.5 now, with a full license; but how does that apply to Rev 2.0? Merely downloding the latest version of Rev will still hold developers to the ten-line limit. Right? Do I hear a suggestion out there in the Rev world? Does this MC List get mereged into the Rev List? Will Scott's Wise Eye watch over us chickens when we start to PANIC? Ray G. Miller Gosh, think of those of us whose license ran out. At least you can *try* Rev for free, and make sure it really does run your projects just as MC does. I would have pay just to find out. Not a happy prospect. At least with MC, if I did a paid upgrade, I would know that I was getting what I have, only better. Now, a paid upgrade means, well getting something unproven and untried, for projects that are finally stable and productive. Scary. Shari, It was exactly my feeling the day i got my first Metacard license, six years ago... At this point, i was searching for an Hypercard 2.41 competitor and i discovered the best XTalk never seen over any platform... As Scott explained us in his last mail, the best XTalk available today needs the marketing power of the RunRev Team to grow more and more. He must be right and, between us, only great people are able to know in witch different spheres, they are at the top and in witch they are not spending their best time and work. What seems important, at this point, is that the Metacard core engine design and development will stay in the hands of Scott, alike the Linux kernel stays in the hands of Linus Torwalds, for the best of the MC/Rev next issues, alike, for the best of the future of the best Linux distributions... It's probably time for to go head in subscribing to the RunRev mailing list. There are probably interesting peoples to meet there too. I go, for my own, to (re)subscribe to it, right now. Bests, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Moving the MC IDE forward
On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 22:34, Mark Talluto wrote: On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 01:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Tereza Snyder wrote: on 07.09.03 1:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Things we need to decide: - Is Yahoo Groups acceptable as a groupware solution for this project? With its discussion list, file repository, calendar, and links it gets my vote, but there may be things I'm overlooking. - If so, is it simpler to alter the existing group or create a new one? It seems like a good solution, and a good group to use. It hasn't had much traffic since the action moved to the MetaCard list at RunRev. Thanks for the feedback. In the absence of any dissenting opinion I'll contact that list admin and run this past him I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hello Mark, In my developments (backgrounder client-server apps, web's and erp's front-ends, the xtalk coding + engine power makes 90% of my products. I think i will go to use both the MC IDE and the RunRev 2.xx in the future. Bests, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: CGI in Mac Classic (8.6)
Alain Farmer a écrit : Hello Robert and y'all, Alain, you may want to provide a few more details of your setup as the above is somewhat confusing. Server-side = MacPPC running WebStar. HyperCard-based CGI program with the script at the bottom of this post. Problem = When the HTTP request comes from a web browser (Netscape 4.7.2 in this case), then the CGI does exactly what it's supposed to. But, OTOH, when the request comes a MetaCard 2.4 stack. e.g. by using MC's built-in syntax for doing this (get url myURL), is does NOT work at all. When the request comes a MetaCard 2.5 stack, again using the same native MC syntax (get url myURL), then it works once. Subsequent requests from the MC 2.5 client result in this error msg Error previous request not completed and eventually followed up by this msg: socket timeout 132.208.44.158:8016925. The IP in this last error-msg is my server's IP (the one hosting my HC-based CGI). Where are the sockets coming in from? Not on the server I think. According to the error-msg it is the *server*. As I understand, your CGI talks to a web server program (are you using MacHTTP or sth else?)... WebStar (which in turn uses MacHTTP, I believe). using AppleEvents. That is how the CGI protocol is implemented in Mac OS Classic. It's AppleEvents or nothing in this case. The web server talks to a client using HTTP protocol. If the client uses an MC stack instead of a normal web browser, it still has to talk HTTP to the server. I totally agree with you, and this is indeed the case. So if there is a problem, it would seem to have nothing to do with your CGI per se but with the client stack. At first blush, it does indeed seem to be a problem with the CLIENT. The web-browser client handles it perfectly, but the MC clients don't. Hence the easy conclusion that it is the client who is a fault. But what about the 2nd error-message that points the finger at my SERVER? What if the server's CGI is not providing *all* the required HTTP-headers that are needed by the MC-2.5-client? Web browsers, you see, are rather tolerant when it comes to HTTP headers. Not long ago, and for several years, all of my CGI programs did NOT provide ANY HTTP-headers at all.. none.. nada .. and yet it worked liked a charm. It still does work without any HTTP headers at all when the client is a commonly-used web-browser. Or are you trying having the client stack bypass the server and talk directly to CGI? If so, your CGI must act as a server not as a CGI then. No. Not at this stage of the game. But I will be soon, when I complete my first MetaCard-based BLOG client, e.g. direct communication to server-side programs via XML-RPC. Btw RPC stands for Remote Procedure Call. Robert Thanks for trying, Robert, but I'm afraid my problem remains un-solved. Below are my client-side and server-side components needing to be debugged : = Server-side CGI = on appleEvent class,event,sender if class is WWW* and event is sdoc then put the short date into content put the number of chars of content into cLength get minHeadersHTTP(cLength) content reply it else pass appleEvent end if end appleEvent function minHeadersHTTP contentLength put the numToChar of 13 the numToChar of 10 into crlf put HTTP/1.0 200 OK crlf into headers put Server: MC/2.3 ID/ACGI crlf after headers put MIME-Version: 1.0 crlf after headers put Content-type: text/html crlf after headers put Content-Length: contentLength crlf crlf after headers return headers end minHeadersHTTP = Client-side MC stack = Download it (608 bytes) : http://ufp.uqam.ca/MC/clientStack.sit __ Hello Alain, Your problem as to do with the use of the first one of the two below : set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return post retour to url (fld csrecents of cd 2 of stack ccitalis) You must test and test again to find how the mc httpheaders command need to be set. The above code works under linux but must probably be tunned to work under MacOS 8 + WebSTAR. Be carefull, too, about the urlencode/urldecode commands on both the client and server side. As an example, they need to be set differently on the linux and the macosx client-side front-ends, even if the server-side is always the same (linux, in my case). After getting the right tunning, your code will become 100% sure and secure. MC is not in fault. Hope this helps :-) Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: CGI in Mac Classic (8.6)
Alain Farmer a écrit : Hello Robert and y'all, Alain, you may want to provide a few more details of your setup as the above is somewhat confusing. Server-side = MacPPC running WebStar. HyperCard-based CGI program with the script at the bottom of this post. Problem = When the HTTP request comes from a web browser (Netscape 4.7.2 in this case), then the CGI does exactly what it's supposed to. But, OTOH, when the request comes a MetaCard 2.4 stack. e.g. by using MC's built-in syntax for doing this (get url myURL), is does NOT work at all. When the request comes a MetaCard 2.5 stack, again using the same native MC syntax (get url myURL), then it works once. Subsequent requests from the MC 2.5 client result in this error msg Error previous request not completed and eventually followed up by this msg: socket timeout 132.208.44.158:8016925. The IP in this last error-msg is my server's IP (the one hosting my HC-based CGI). Where are the sockets coming in from? Not on the server I think. According to the error-msg it is the *server*. As I understand, your CGI talks to a web server program (are you using MacHTTP or sth else?)... WebStar (which in turn uses MacHTTP, I believe). using AppleEvents. That is how the CGI protocol is implemented in Mac OS Classic. It's AppleEvents or nothing in this case. The web server talks to a client using HTTP protocol. If the client uses an MC stack instead of a normal web browser, it still has to talk HTTP to the server. I totally agree with you, and this is indeed the case. So if there is a problem, it would seem to have nothing to do with your CGI per se but with the client stack. At first blush, it does indeed seem to be a problem with the CLIENT. The web-browser client handles it perfectly, but the MC clients don't. Hence the easy conclusion that it is the client who is a fault. But what about the 2nd error-message that points the finger at my SERVER? What if the server's CGI is not providing *all* the required HTTP-headers that are needed by the MC-2.5-client? Web browsers, you see, are rather tolerant when it comes to HTTP headers. Not long ago, and for several years, all of my CGI programs did NOT provide ANY HTTP-headers at all.. none.. nada .. and yet it worked liked a charm. It still does work without any HTTP headers at all when the client is a commonly-used web-browser. Or are you trying having the client stack bypass the server and talk directly to CGI? If so, your CGI must act as a server not as a CGI then. No. Not at this stage of the game. But I will be soon, when I complete my first MetaCard-based BLOG client, e.g. direct communication to server-side programs via XML-RPC. Btw RPC stands for Remote Procedure Call. Robert Thanks for trying, Robert, but I'm afraid my problem remains un-solved. Below are my client-side and server-side components needing to be debugged : = Server-side CGI = on appleEvent class,event,sender if class is WWW* and event is sdoc then put the short date into content put the number of chars of content into cLength get minHeadersHTTP(cLength) content reply it else pass appleEvent end if end appleEvent function minHeadersHTTP contentLength put the numToChar of 13 the numToChar of 10 into crlf put HTTP/1.0 200 OK crlf into headers put Server: MC/2.3 ID/ACGI crlf after headers put MIME-Version: 1.0 crlf after headers put Content-type: text/html crlf after headers put Content-Length: contentLength crlf crlf after headers return headers end minHeadersHTTP = Client-side MC stack = Download it (608 bytes) : http://ufp.uqam.ca/MC/clientStack.sit __ Hello Alain, Your problem as to do with the use of the first one of the two lines below : set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return post retour to url (fld csrecents of cd 2 of stack ccitalis) You must test and test again to find how the mc httpheaders command need to be set. The above code works under linux but must probably be tunned to work under MacOS 8 + WebSTAR. Be carefull, too, about the urlencode/urldecode commands on both the client and server side. As an example, they need to be set differently on the linux and the macosx client-side front-ends, even if the server-side is always the same (linux, in my case). After getting the right tunning, your code will become 100% sure and secure. MC is not in fault. Hope this helps :-) Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: resolution stats
Richard Gaskin wrote: Do any of you have a link to current stats of the marketshare for various default screen resolutions? My specific question today is: What percentage of computer users are running a resolution of 1024x768 or greater? Extra bonus points if we can turn up something that shows cross-tabs with demographic data. I'm wondering when it will become a good idea to start optimizing screen layouts for larger resolutions, when the majority will move past 800x600. Of course it would still be desirable to suport 800x600 for the next few years, just wondering if designing to optimize for that resolution is a mistake vs. focusing on making things look especially good at 1024x768 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Richard, Most of the professional ERP front-end apps (SAP, Peoplesoft,...) are still optimized to run in 800*600 -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Purchasing latest Metacard OSX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi every1, Sorry to bother the list with what can only be called administrivia...but I've finally saved up enough money to purchase a full-blown copy of Metacard and wonder if anybody can help me with where I may purchase it in Australia. I'm a secondary school teacher and have *almost* convinced the heirarchy here that I can write a better report-writing program than the god-awful FileMaker-based thing we paid A$2500 for a few years back! (and believe me it IS clunky and NON-INTUITIVE!!!) :)) 1.- Welcome to the Metacard friendly world ! You will, at least, be able to build best reporting apps in using Metacard than in using dedicated tools alike the Business Objects 5 i don't use anymore, even at the office. 2.- Ask your regular computers reseller to purchase the Metacard license for you (i did that before : Scott sended to my reseller the license to my own name). 3.- Else, ask directly to Scott (Raney), how to get your license. He will help you to find the right way to get it. I don't think the school has a policy of internet purchase so if any addresses may be forthcoming I'd much appreciate it! Cheers, Kevin Phyland Wycheproof P-12 College Wycheproof, Vic. Australia. Study Business at USQ's Australian Graduate School of Business. http://www.usq.edu.au/faculty/business/usqagsb/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: UNIX help?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Richard, Have you set the directory in Metacard to that which contains the file? In Terminal, you open in your home directory: in Metacard you'll start out in the application's directory. Try: set the directory to ~/ If that's the case. Or, whichever directory you compose the messages in. HTH. -- Brian Yennie Chief Technology Officer QLD Learning, LLC www.QLDLearning.com PH: (904)-997-0212 EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Else, check the permissions to be sure you have access to the email file in read mode from within your cgi script. -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: how to get the temp directory on *NIX
Shao Sean wrote: how to get the temp directory on *NIX platforms? under windows and mac i can use specialFolderPath(Temporary).. can i just use $TEMP ? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard On Suse-Linux, you will find it at /tmp/ -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Queuing woes
LK Hagen a écrit : I am running MC 2.4, and working on an app that sends off multiple url requests to search engine in succession. If I interrupt the process and start over, I inevitably get a queued message back from urlStatus(). the urlStatus() function currently resides inside the idle handler, so it's updated constantly. If I quit and relaunch, however, and then use load url tURL everything works just fine again. I have been careful to unload all urls. Ny way of fixing this without quitting MC? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi, Did you try to add an : if the shiftkey is down then get url (or something like that, to be tested) end if inside your on idle handler ? -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Fwd: altBrowser Question and MAC version of altBrowser...
Dan Shafer a écrit : --On Sunday, June 15, 2003 19:06:46 -0700 Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I would prefer a product I pay for and which is therefore supported to a free, Open Source solution for which I'd be on my own for support. This is a little off subject but you don't seem to have it very clear about open source software versus payed for, and support. I've been using both free operating system and software for more then I can remember and support was as good as metacard's which is the only not free one with still good support. All the tips we share on this list amount to free software. Most of the web that you use comes from free software: server, server side scripting, databases, browser, email, you name it. Doing some research before repeating Microsoft's mantra may prove beneficial to your mental health. This idea that you get what you pay for is so outdated that I'm surprised some people still remember it. And perhaps you'd benefit by doing a bit of research and careful reading before firing off such a silly comment. First, my observation didn't imply that Open Source software support is poor, only that I'd prefer to pay for software than to end up with a poorly supported Open Source product in this case. Second, you couldn't necessarily know this but I'm one of the beset-known Microsoft attack dogs on the planet. I am not spouting their mantra and I'm sure as hell not backing their strategy. Careful reading is preferable to flames. Regards, Andu Novac ___ Hi All, Beside MC, i use as my core development tool to build Web's and ERP's apps, all the components i need and use to do my job are free and very well supported pieces of software : Linux (Suse, YellowDog), Apache 1.3 to 2.0, PHP 3/4, PostgreSQL 7.xx, Netscape, Mozilla, HTMLDoc, Javascript, the Bash,... What my clients are waiting for are not only licensied products but mostly development, integration and support and, i'm sure it's the right way a respected client have to pay for : only a small amont of the payments are always about the end-user licensing of my products, just to let all remember that, i hold, to the end, the copyrights on the stuffs i'm designing and developing... -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis Serveurs d'applications et SGBD Web et PGI Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: How do you join lines in a container (CGUPE)
Sadhunathan Nadesan a écrit : --snip-- What this is, is a utility program, a filter that takes a stream of input data from a front end data collection program, then looks up something in the data base which the data collection program is unable to do (without extensive re-engineering), inserts that value into the data stream, and passes it on to something else (a back end formatting program). So it is a pipe line like collect data | metacard filter | report formatter aka : 1.- Use the SQL database back-end at his best level : parse SQL insert, update, delete and select statements (the Xtalk-aware part of SQL), 2.1.- Avoid to use any other part of the SQL syntax, each time, metatalk can do better and faster (SQL stocked procs, views or built-in functions, etc...), 2.2.- Let Metatalk handle all the AI-style manipulations on the datas before sending them back to the ERP's or Web's client-side front-end, trough a TCP/IP stream. Comment : There are lots of expensive products, on the market, that are dedicated to handle the 2.x part. Most of these tools are mistaking, about how to do the job, in choosing to clone the bad part of the SQL methods instead of using an original great syntax (XTalk as my first choice and PHP as an emergency wheel...) to get the expected power in manipulating the SQL output streams Bests, Pierre And writing this filter was a lot easier than re-engineering the collect data part. Sadhu ps, I'm sure the code could be improved further, for example, using a function call rather than globals, but it's good enough. #!/usr/local/bin/mc ### # #-= Payroll II =- # Copyright (c) Cast Crew Entertainment Services, Inc. 2003 # # Program name: sony_filter #File name: sony_filter.mt # Author: Sadhunathan Nadesan # Date started: 06/11/2003 # # Description: # Get Walker Numbers from Data Base and replace tselect field # ### global sqlData, keywords on startup global sqlData, keywords -- Grab the tselect output in preparation for translation read from stdin until empty put it into inputData -- Now get the translation table from the data base sqlFetch -- Put the real product number into the data stream repeat for each line thisLine in inputData put thisLine into dataArray split dataArray by | -- The set code is in the 5th field, space padded put dataArray[5] into setCode replace space with empty in setCode -- Input data has constant 'walker number' instead of product code replace WALKER_NUMBER with sqlData[setCode] in thisLine -- Send the data on to RPT put thisLine end repeat end startup -- on sqlFetch -- get the list of set codes and product numbers from the data base global sqlData, keywords -- build sql query put lines 0 cr into sqlQuery put select sub_code, string_value from proptl cr after sqlQuery put where option_code = 'SONYACCT' / cr after sqlQuery put sqlQuery into url file:/tmp/sonylist.sql -- run sql query and capture results put SQL /tmp/sonylist.sql into command_string set shellCommand to /bin/sh put shell(command_string) into sqlData -- prepare data to be placed in an associative array replace space with empty in sqlData split sqlData by linefeed and | put keys(sqlData) into keywords -- cleanup put rm -f /tmp/sonylist.sql into command_string put shell(command_string) end sqlFetch -- ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Optimiser les processus de concrétisation des résultats, sinon rien... ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: How do you join lines in a container
andu a écrit : --On Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:14:53 -0700 Sadhunathan Nadesan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Allo Sadhu, | | set itemdel to | | tune your metatalk code What I have in the container is a bunch of lines. I want to join them into one long line. It doesn't matter if the items in each line are separated by | or not, or if there is only one item on each line. I just want to join the lines, or in other words, get rid of the end of line characters. How do I do that? You do this: replace cr with empty in container or if you want to: 'replace cr with | in container' Merci!! Sadhu ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: How do you join lines in a container so it becomes one line, so you can use split?
Sadhunathan Nadesan a écrit : How do you join lines in a container? Question: I have a container which contains an sql cursor, ie, a number of lines of data (in this case 2 fields separated by the pipe symbol). I want to place this in an indexed array so I can use it in a replacement algorithm. Whenever the index field (field 1) is found in some data, replace it with the indexed field (field 2). So, I want to use the split command to create this array, but trying to split on return, or newline, or cr, or numToChar(10) ... this is a Unix system .. does not work. Therefore I tried to replace the end of line character with something else in the container so I could do this split. The = symbol. That did not work either. So I came up with the hokey method below .. putting the data out into an external file and basically running a tr on it to replace the newlines with =, then reading it back in to do the split. Seems pretty hokey to me, why can't I just do it in place? Read in the sql data directly and split it? No external files. But that does not seem to work. Oh well, thanks in advance for any help. Sadhu ps, code snippet below illustrating hokey solution. on sqlFetch put select audio_date, audio_url from audio; into sqlQuery put sqlQuery into url file:/tmp/titlelist.sql put psql cybertalks -qt -f /tmp/titlelist.sql /tmp/titlelist.dat into command_string set shellCommand to /bin/sh put shell(command_string) replace numToChar(10) with = in url file:/tmp/titlelist.dat put url file:/tmp/titlelist.dat into sqlData split sqlData by = and | put keys(sqlData) into keywords repeat for each line x in keywords put x :---: sqlData[x] cr end repeat end sqlFetch ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Sadhu, set itemdel to | tune your metatalk code -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Last MC minux-ppc available issue, please !
Hello List, Friends, I'm searching for two things that could realy help me : The 2.4 issue of the mchome.mc, mctools.mc and mchelp.mc stacks, The last complete issue of MC for the linux-ppc platform (2.4.1, if i right remember). Could anyone, here, be kind enough to send theses files as email ? Thanks a lot for the help, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Last MC linux-ppc available issue, please !
Hello List, Friends, I'm searching for two things that could really help me : The 2.4 issue of the mchome.mc, mctools.mc and mchelp.mc stacks, The last complete issue of MC for the linux-ppc platform (2.4.1, if i right remember). Could anyone, here, be kind enough to send theses files as email ? Thanks a lot for the help, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Last MC linux-ppc available issue, please !
On Fri, 2003-06-06 at 20:56, Richard Gaskin wrote: Pierre Sahores wrote: I'm searching for two things that could really help me : The 2.4 issue of the mchome.mc, mctools.mc and mchelp.mc stacks, The last complete issue of MC for the linux-ppc platform (2.4.1, if i right remember). Could anyone, here, be kind enough to send theses files as email ? I don't have the version you're looking for, but since such requests come up from time to time it begs the question: Could metacard.com archive old versions, at least a few versions back? You right, Richard ! Is'nt it, Mister Raney ? Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
The last MC linux-ppc available issue : it's over. Thanks to all !
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 00:18, Ken Ray wrote: Pierre, Mark Talutto has an MC mirror at: www.canelasoftware.com/mcmirror.html You can DL the entire 2.4 build from there (he has 2.3.2, 2.4.1, 2.4.2, 2.4.3 and 2.5). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pierre Sahores Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Last MC linux-ppc available issue, please ! Hello List, Friends, I'm searching for two things that could really help me : The 2.4 issue of the mchome.mc, mctools.mc and mchelp.mc stacks, The last complete issue of MC for the linux-ppc platform (2.4.1, if i right remember). Could anyone, here, be kind enough to send theses files as email ? Thanks a lot for the help, Pierre -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores Applications WEB et ERP personnalisés Penser et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metac ard Thanks Andu, Ken, Mark, Richard ! The thread is over ;-) A nice week-end, Friends. Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: php
On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 08:45, andu wrote: --On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 08:19:07 +0200 Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 18:56, andu wrote: Pierre, are you fluent in php? I just started to get serious about learning it, do you think you could help me out with newbie questions once in a while? Thanks. Regards, Andu Novac -- snip -- Merci Pierre for the script, something to study. The thing is (and this is what I meant on the Xtalk mailing list) when I look for work and people hear about something called metacard they turn their back to me and go to someone who says php or asp. -- snip -- Regards, Andu Novac Andu, I had the same problems before with some clients who don't care about the reality : they are not aware about what web services are but just speaking about them and because they are paying them self with empty words, they thinks to become experts in what they are singing about... They are just stupid guys out of the scope of the web apps reality ! Scott makes all his best as a genial xtalk designer. We, the developers, needs to go head, against the ones (aka Apple, Oracle and others) that killed the xtalk maket share for years because they understood that RAD alike Hypercard or Oracle Media Objects went lots too power full to be lets in the clients in-house developers hands... Do you know that Microsoft Visual Interdev was first designed under MacOS in using Supercard. Do you know that Reneault Cars Inc. is still using an Hypercard solution as a pieces stocks documentation database. Do you know that the first AI tool developed at the TOTAL/ELF petroleum compagny was grounded on Hypercard + C libraries... For me, it's no doubt that, to the end, the XTalks are going to come back in front of the scene. The only question in suspend is to know when : next year, in five, in teen years ? PHP is a great tool each time we need to build a web-aware end-user interface dedicated to connect over TCP/IP SQL databases servers. In others words, PHP is one of the bests tools available today to embed in web pages SQL queries... no least, no more... PHP is a small unusable toy if we need to run complexes calculations (AI, statistics, conditional and recursive calculations, complexes authentifications unavailable in using LDAP methods, etc...), if we wants get the best speed in serving our replies to the web or if we needs a power full enough RAD to build professional grade ERP solutions. Here, the available applications servers development suite are almost very expensive, difficult to use, very slow running in production mode (WebSphere, Weblogic, WebObjects, Oracle WAS,.. - J2EE based - mainframes computers power needed) and not as power full as a great xtalk can be. For my own, lots of peoples i know don't like what i'm doing in a way they can't understand... On the other hand, an happy few of clients and bosses are asking me for products they could'nt never have or pay in using others development ways. Theses peoples are always impressed to get the results they asked me for some weeks before and, because that, they are always asking me for more and more : i'm happy too and gets enough money to go head... Because, behind Java, Metacard is the only one development tool able to build for any platform, the intelligent people are able to understand that the Metacard developers are not always only comic guys ;-) Apache+PHP+Metacard+PostgreSQL lets us do the top available apps any client can expect to use. If, in about marketing tasks, i just say that i'm using Apache+PHP+PostgreSQL to get the projects out, the clients can feel they are controlling the development cycle and i know that they will need me to update the apps, in fact, grounded on a metacard client-server daemon. Is'nt the developers life a complex and interesting thing ? Best, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Type 2 error additional info
On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 19:29, Mark Talluto wrote: On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 08:19 AM, Shari wrote: I forgot to add that this error only occurs when the stack is a stack. When I turn it into a standalone, the error seems to go away. Hence the conclusion that there is a conflict between a script of mine and a script of Metacard, where the Metacard script does not exist in the standalone. I'm guessing that it could lie in Metacard's frontscript/backscript, as called from the Metacard Menu Bar, but this is just a guess. Shari C -- Have you tried: 1. A fresh install of MC 2. Running with extensions turned off 3. Testing it in another OS and/or another computer 4. Running Macbus and getting a stdlog file Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi Shari, Under Linux, all the mc-engine executions errors are directly provided to the stdout console output and you can watch at them in opening the system logs or a virtual console-mode terminal. It's probably a way to get the sames infos under Jaguar but i did'nt test this for yet. Bests, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: indexing slow-down (i.e., speeding up programs)
John Vokey a écrit : Here's my task: I've got two LARGE text files, one a spelling dictionary (from Excalibur) and the other a dictionary of lexical frequencies (i.w., item and frequency); there over 113,000 unique words (as lines) in the first, and about a million different entries (as separate lines) in the second, many not regular words (e.g., dates, numbers, etc.); furthermore, in the second, the same word is listed multiple times depending on use (e.g., ``rose'' as a noun and ``rose'' as a verb). I want to extract the lexical frequency (ignoring use type) of each of the words in the first from the second, including assigning a frequency of zero for those from the first not found in the second. Fortunately, both are already alphabetised, so as I move sequentially through the first, I can simply start searching from where I last left off in the second, summing over multiple use listings of the same word. So far so good. I use the ``repeat for each ... in ... '' construct for the first dictionary, and a variable pointer for the second that I advance as I find each word from the first (I call a simple function that skips over non-words and advances the pointer, returning the line of the next word in the lexical dictionary). Both text files are read into memory at the start of the routine (which takes less than a second using the'' url file://...'' command (way to go, metacard!). Here's my problem: initially, the routine takes much less than 1 second per hundred words (which, when multiplied by the number of words remaining to index, results in an estimate of some small fraction of an hour to do the whole task). However, it rapidly (as an exponential function) slows down, so that by the time it reaches the middle of the alphabet (M), it takes many minutes per 100 words, and an ever-increasing time estimate for the remaining items (now over 60 hours!). Clearly, either the ``repeat for each'' command for the first dictionary or the ``get line pointer...'' for the second (or both) get(s) slower and slower as I progress through the dictionaries, presumably because to do one or the other (or both), metacard counts carriage returns from the beginning of the dictionary. I've tried: deleting the items from the front of the lexical dictionary as I've searched them, so that each new search starts at line 1 of the edited list [i.e., put line pointer to (the number of lines of dict2) of dict2 into dict2)], but that slows it down even more (presumably because metacard needs to count crs to find the number of the last line each time). I've tried various machinations of offset(,,skip) using the skip variable as an absolute pointer, but it also appeared to make things slower presumably because it counts chars from the start of the dictionary. I guess I could divide dict2 (or dict1) into many small segments, moving to each successive segment as the previous one was exhausted, but I was hoping for something more elegant. What I need are *absolute* pointers (preferably a memory address, or a pointer or a handle to such), rather than the relative (to the beginning of the list) pointers given by the line (and possibly ``for each'') construct. Arrays presumably would work (but doesn't metacard then have to search the indices to resolve the array reference?), and reading the million length file into the array just sets the problem back one step. Any suggestions would be appreciated. As I receive the list in digest form, if you have a scathingly brilliant idea, please send a copy of it directly to my email address. TIA -- John R. Vokey, Ph.D. |\ _,,,---,,_ Professor /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ Department of Psychology and Neuroscience |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' University of Lethbridge '---''(_/--' `-'\_) ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi, To get good speed results in parsing such kind of datas, you will need to split each dictionaries in two series of small vars (beetwin 50 to 100 Ko each could be a good choice) and build arrays-based indexes to access the two collections of splited vars (B-Trees nodes/keys and transposition tables algorithms needed for best results). The best is to do this once, at boot in a on openstack handler. I used this technique, years ago under Hypercard 2.41/G3 266, and got very good speed results in parsing multiple dictonaries up to 6 Mo each. -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Poor man's encrypted data
Richard Gaskin a écrit : Dave Cragg wrote: At 9:46 am -0800 5/4/03, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dave Cragg wrote: At 8:21 am -0800 5/4/03, Richard Gaskin wrote: For sending data across the net in a semi-secure format, can you think of any downsides to simply storing the data in custom props in a password-protected stack? One possible downside is that, although the contents of the custom props will be encrypted, if someone is able to get the entire stack data, then with a copy of Rev/Metacard (the starter kit will do) you can still get the custom props. (Password-protecting only denies access to the scripts.) It was my successful test that prompted my post: with the MC 2.4.3 engine it seems custom props are also encrypted. The custom props are encrypted when you view the file data, but if you open the stack with Rev or Metacard, you can still get a custom property without setting the passkey. It should be easy for Scott to lock that custom prop access along with script editing. In the meantime, I just wrote these two simple handlers to tuck sizable data into a script by just making sure it only occupies one line: on SuckUp answer file Select a file: if it is empty then exit to top put url (binfile:it) into s put compress(s) into s -- Convert to ASCII: put base64encode(s) into s -- Remove returns: replace cr with RETURN_PLACEHOLDER in s set the script of fld 1 to s end SuckUp on SpitOut ask file Name new file: if it is empty then exit to top put the script of fld 1 into s replace RETURN_PLACEHOLDER with cr in s put base64decode(s) into s put decompress(s) into s set the filetype to MSIEWAFF put s into url (binfile:it) end SpitOut The filetype is only a convenience for my testing -- I used an MSIE page archive as it has a nice mix of ASCII and binary data, and I have several lying around that are a few hundred k. Interestingly, MC's limit of 64k per line only seems to affect fields, but not the script property itself. I just ran this on a 142k file and it worked great. The base64 adds some overhead to the file size, but at least withu any control chars its very save for transport. Conceivably, one could use this to store up to 10 files per script with the scriptlimits at play. So with that out of the way, we're back to the original question: for what uses would a hard-to-break but not military-grade encryption be acceptable? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Thanks Richard for this share. Stored for future uses. -- Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Network versions of applications
Mark Talluto a écrit : --snip-- Thanks Pierre for the help. My situation was to run an MC app that was installed on a server of a LAN. Turns out that all you have to do is install the software on the server and have shortcuts run it from the clients. I was not using any database or middleware to get this to go. My app handles all data. Running an app over the net as you explained using database connectivity looks a bit more complicated but quite interesting. While I do not have a need for that right now, you never know what is waiting for you down the road. Just ask about the setups, if needed, along the road :-) Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Best Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MetaCard 2.5 beta 6 now available
Scott Raney wrote: MetaCard 2.5 beta 6 is now available in the directory: ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.5/ This is the last scheduled beta test release of 2.5, so if you haven't tried running your application(s) with one of the earlier betas, now would be a really good time to do a quick check to make sure that 2.5 will work for you. Regards, Scott Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard MC 2.5-b6 seems to work ok under linux x86. -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Network versions of applications
Mark Talluto a écrit : Hello fellow list members. I have been asked to make one of my application network ready. What they want is for my app to sit on the server and allow clients to run the app from their workstations without installation on the workstations. I was wondering if any one had any suggestions about how they have implemented this. Hello Mark, This should be pretty simple. It's not what i would say... Metacard/Revolution can let you build very elegant web/vpn-enabled client-server solutions : MC is one of the most usefull development tools, and, perhaps the best, you can find to build all kind of net apps you can think and design. On the other hand, it no ways to become a web apps developper than works and works again. Because, in the internet apps, there is only two states availables for the end-users (aka the client who give us money to get a new production app installed on his server) : the server is up or down, there is lots of knoweage to learn before beeing able to build great productions apps for the web and vpn real world. If real web applications servers (aka IBM Websphere, Macromedia ColdFusion or Apple WebObjects) and ACID RDBMS (aka Oracle, DB2, SAPDB or PostgreSQL) are in your previously knoweage, you will be incredible surprised by the simplicity and elegance you can do all what you need in building from scratch and using Metacard-based web/vpn applications servers, including the RDBMS management and drive trought direct connections and SQL requests in using the mc build-in shell commands to bind (instead of ODBC or others middlewares) the databases command-line databases front-end clients (works fine in production for me in using PostgreSQL and newly Oracle 8i backends). In this case, you will see that Metacard lets you build in hours all what needs weeks and months to get the same result in using Java, PHP or cgi scripting tools alike perl or python (including ZOPE) based solutions. If you can see, alike some of us, on this list, how powerfull mc can be in this dev speciality, you wil for sure gohead with MC over the internet :-) The best to do is to find and learn all what has previously shared on the metacard archive list by all the friends working hard on thoses questions, alike Andu, Sadhu, Discoteck and others. After that (binding all the needed knoweage to your own projects), you will just have to ask us about the details... I know that the servers will be Windows NT or 2000 servers. All the clients will be Win 95 - 2000. The data files created will need to be saved on the server as well. This should be pretty simple. It's, perhaps, not the best choice to run those kind of apps under Win32, but it can be done (i did it, previously, by installing apps, first developped under and for linux, on the WinNT4 SP5 platform). If you have to choose a Win32 enabled RDBMS to act as your backend database, prefer MSSQL or, best, the ACID complient PostgreSQL (newly available under windows) than MySQL, witch is only a realy unserious toy in concurrent writes mode. Thanks for any input. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Have fun and good luck in discovering all of that. Kind Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Network versions of applications
Mark Talluto a écrit : Hello fellow list members. I have been asked to make one of my application network ready. What they want is for my app to sit on the server and allow clients to run the app from their workstations without installation on the workstations. I was wondering if any one had any suggestions about how they have implemented this. Hello Mark, This should be pretty simple. It's not what i would say... Metacard/Revolution can let you build very elegant web/vpn-enabled client-server solutions : MC is one of the most usefull development tools, and, perhaps the best, you can find to build all kind of net apps you can think and design. On the other hand, it no ways to become a web apps developper than works and works again. Because, in the internet apps, there is only two states availables for the end-users (aka the client who give us money to get a new production app installed on his server) : the server is up or down, there is lots of knoweage to learn before beeing able to build great productions apps for the web and vpn real world. If real web applications servers (aka IBM Websphere, Macromedia ColdFusion or Apple WebObjects) and ACID RDBMS (aka Oracle, DB2, SAPDB or PostgreSQL) are in your previously knoweage, you will be incredible surprised by the simplicity and elegance you can do all what you need in building from scratch and using Metacard-based web/vpn applications servers, including the RDBMS management and drive trought direct connections and SQL requests in using the mc build-in shell commands to bind (instead of ODBC or others middlewares) the databases command-line databases front-end clients (works fine in production for me in using PostgreSQL and newly Oracle 8i backends). In this case, you will see that Metacard lets you build in hours all what needs weeks and months to get the same result in using Java, PHP or cgi scripting tools alike perl or python (including ZOPE) based solutions. If you can see, alike some of us, on this list, how powerfull mc can be in this dev speciality, you wil for sure gohead with MC over the internet :-) The best to do is to find and learn all what has previously shared on the metacard archive list by all the friends working hard on thoses questions, alike Andu, Sadhu, Discoteck, Chipp and others. After that (binding all the needed knoweage to your own projects), you will just have to ask us about the details... I know that the servers will be Windows NT or 2000 servers. All the clients will be Win 95 - 2000. The data files created will need to be saved on the server as well. This should be pretty simple. It's, perhaps, not the best choice to run those kind of apps under Win32, but it can be done (i did it, previously, by installing apps, first developped under and for linux, on the WinNT4 SP5 platform). If you have to choose a Win32 enabled RDBMS to act as your backend database, prefer MSSQL or, best, the ACID complient PostgreSQL (newly available under windows) than MySQL, witch is only a realy unserious toy in concurrent writes mode. Thanks for any input. Best regards, Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Have fun and good luck in discovering all of that. Kind Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Radical slowdown on one system
Richard Gaskin wrote: Of the many folks using my MC-base WebMerge product over the last two years, I've never had a support case like this one, and am hoping some of you may be able to offer some insight: When I run the WebMerge tutorial here on the slowest machine I have (Win 95, 300MHz), it generates the tutoprial pages in 3.9 seconds. I have a customer running Win98 on a 1.7GHz maxchine and the same files take 4 minutes to process.(!) Most of what WebMerge does is parsing and concatenating text, and of course creating files. Not particularly atom-splitting stuff, and I've never seen a performance disparity even close to this. I've verified that we're using the same fles, have the same version of WebMerge (using the MC 2.4.2 engine), and in all other respects his system is far superior to the one I've been testing on. Any clues? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hi Richard, Did you ask him about testing others comparable stacks on both your and his computer, other softs and so on ? In others words, are realy sure that metacard and webmerge are realy in fault. For my own, i did'nt have any speed troubbles in using webmerge. Other questions ? Is the 1.7 GHz connected to a LAN ? Is this box including in a Netware network ? Is the box running a desktop or a lan anti-virus, etc... Best Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: OSX console mode
andu wrote: --On Thursday, March 20, 2003 19:14:21 +0100 Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andu a écrit : Does anyone know how to start OSX 10.2.x in console mode, that is, without the finder and all that UI. Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Andu, I'm not sure about that because i did'nt try this for yet on my new IBook2.2 but the best is probably to install Darwin+XFREE86+the Fink ressource (Debian packages port available for both Darwin and MacOSX). Actually I found a how-to on that in the meantime. Also found out how to make all files and directories visible in OSX. My only need for the mac is Photoshop+scanning+printing and my upgrade to OSX is only for better memory management so that I can do all 3 of the above at the same time. The price, improved patience;-). Realy great ! I will ask you again about that when i will be back to the IBook. in beetwin : i'm searching for a good tutorial (aka a complete guide) in how to install both linux (simple) and XFree86 (difficult) on my just brought IBook 2.2. I was'nt for yet able to run XFREE because the ATI-Raedon 7500 not supported by the regular Debian, YellowDog or Suse distribs. After trying to compile the BenH 2.4.20-ben8 kernel (with hangs up at the pcmcia-module install) and trying to install the unstable issue of Debian (hanging again), i just got a Sony x86 Laptop for the store and removed the IBook for my prefered Linux toys ;-( Any idea ? YellowDog 3 supposedly is out and I heard a mention about the iBook. I use Debian on my cube and it's perfect. Try the vesa driver. Check out a utility read-edid for getting the correct card/monitor settings. With X one never knows. Thanks. I will check the yellowdog site for the YLD 3 and try the vesa driver in betwin. Kind Regards, Pierre Best Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: OSX console mode
andu a écrit : Does anyone know how to start OSX 10.2.x in console mode, that is, without the finder and all that UI. Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Andu, I'm not sure about that because i did'nt try this for yet on my new IBook2.2 but the best is probably to install Darwin+XFREE86+the Fink ressource (Debian packages port available for both Darwin and MacOSX). in beetwin : i'm searching for a good tutorial (aka a complete guide) in how to install both linux (simple) and XFree86 (difficult) on my just brought IBook 2.2. I was'nt for yet able to run XFREE because the ATI-Raedon 7500 not supported by the regular Debian, YellowDog or Suse distribs. After trying to compile the BenH 2.4.20-ben8 kernel (with hangs up at the pcmcia-module install) and trying to install the unstable issue of Debian (hanging again), i just got a Sony x86 Laptop for the store and removed the IBook for my prefered Linux toys ;-( Any idea ? Best Regards, Pierre ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Linux, anyone?
Herve Proudhon a écrit : My nutrition shareware Diondine has been avaible for Linux, Windows and Mac for more than 3 years. My sales results : Mac : 15% Windows : 85% Linux : 1 sale with a stolen Credit Card (results : a Kagi chargeback and a free registration code available on the Internet !) From a Linux forum : - Is there a nutrition program available for Linux ? - Diondine but 1 It's not Open source 2 It costs money So, the last version of my program is not avaible for linux ! Herve Proudhon -- Frenchdiet, a nutrition shareware : http://www.diondine.com Les calanques de Marseille : http://www.calanquesmarseille.com -- Are any of you selling commercial Rev- or MC-based apps to the Linux market? I'd be interested in learning about your experiences there. With MC's speed on Linux, it should be able to compete favorably with most ported wares in terms of performance. The OS itself seems to be moving quickly into a suitable desktop alternative in terms of both capabilities and ease of use (Business Week reports that 10% of desktop machines in India are Linux). Since building for Linux takes only a few seconds in Rev or MC, I wonder to what degree our choice of tools is handing us a good opportunity -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc Richard, Linux provide both his Mister Jeckhill and Doctor Hyde faces... First : a fast growing professional market with lots of money to do. Second : an integrist community of players/speakers around (mostly, students) unable to understand that real developpers are not able to work for free. If i expect we are sharing the same interest for the first one of thoses faces, it's not always easy to find the good clients we can works with : because Linux is mostly unknowed from the big companies IT Managers (as an example, there is, today, only seven(7) SAP/R3 ERP Linux-hosted solutions installed all over the world), because the propetary platforms solutions vendors are hard fighting to stay alive (marketing dumping, lobbing, etc...), we have to be very carefull about the people we can, for yet, expect to get good contracts by proposing Linux hosted solutions. I'm, for my own, only working with two kind of clients : (1) public administrations (because the french governement is not against the use of linux in replacement of propetary platforms solutions), (2) profesional internet providers (because they are good and right knowing what linux is and what they can expect from it to set-up powerfull web appliances). -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: CGI Security, reminder to myself
Allo Sadhunathan, Greetings, A few weeks ago I posted some 'how to' notes on this list for developing a web enabled, postgres based application, based on earlier work from Pierre. It was a series of mails. I've made it into a presentable single html doc so I can eventually post it maybe like Scott did with graphical top on Linux Journal. Or somewhere. (Actually Scott's top is also on metacard.com under white papers and just like he said, it runs right out of the box using only the free trial version of MC). In any case, did anyone notice any gaping security holes in that cgi application I posted? There was one. Curious? For sure ! Could you explain us what this security hole was ? For the how-to ftp update, you know how to do ;-) This is a reminder to myself to write to y'all about that, and also update my how-to faq. Aloha, Sadhu Thanks. Kind regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Konfabulator
J. Landman Gay a écrit : Wired magazine talks about custom personal software as though this one company had invented it. Hm. http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57620,00.html Somebody ought to tell them we've been doing this for years now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard It's just one more poor marketing toy without any conceptual contents in it... -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: XFCN's in MetaCard
Newendorp Bruce C a écrit : Can anyone provide the process to make XFCN's available as external functions in MetaCard? I am trying to use some old HyperCard XFCN's in MetaCard (running on Mac OS9). I have tried using ResEdit to put the XFCN's into the MetaCard stack but the functions do not show up as external commands. These functions are not available within MetaCard. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Hello, Are you sure that those functions are'nt availables directly from within Metatalk ? I just remember about two cross-commands without any equivalent in Metacard : the Rinaldi's HowMany XFCN and the Maxum's PopToFront XCMD. -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: that pesky post command - version problem
Allo Sadhu, | | You don't need, Sadhu, to rebuild all the app if you stick the commun | part of it in a first stack and the issue-specific part of it in a | second stack. You can even set each one as the substack of the other and | get them working together in using the start using command or a simple | send message to an object set in the second or substack ;) | Hi Pierre, Good idea. I did eliminate the version dependencies in the code, the only one really was the 'split' command. Seems I have MC 2.3 on my wife's Linux box, and 2.4.3 on my PC, and in this case the path of least resistance was to just rebuild the application. As previously mentioned RH 6.2 does not support MC 2.4.3. I had this code in at first split this_line by | put this_line[1] into field title put this_line[2] into field contents I changed it to this so as to work with both versions put offset(|, this_line) into pipeOff put char 1 to pipeOff of this_line into field title put char pipeOff + 1 to length(this_line) of this_line into field contents So the majority of the common part is the main stack script file and that indeed is identical. But what I found is that even removing all the resources, putting a 2.4.3 stack file from Windows onto the Linux box and trying to run it under 2.3 or even 2.4 it would not run, and the problem was somewhere in the interpreter code. In other words, trying to run it under the IDE the exception handler I think it's called came up and showed me where the problem was, and it was not in my code, it was in the interpreter. So trying to figure out what was causing that could have been .. ah .. 'trying' .. wherease, just building up the one card UI was a snap, drag and drop a few fields, didn't take long! Anyway, the good news is the application works on both Linux and Windows now, no more problem with the post command. Pretty much any changes I make in the future will be in the main stack script and again, that is portable, so I can just copy it over to the Linux machine and save it under the IDE there. No problem. BTW, I have some documentation and sample stack to send you. I'd post to the list but I think mailman won't accept attachments. Sadhu ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard That's a great piece of stuff and docs you did, Friend ! Thank's a lot :-) I just read the how-to.html file posted to the ftp://crdp.intereduc.net ftp site and it's realy the joker piece we needed. Thank's again for that. After reading your how-to, it will become realy easy to switch to the MCtoPG solution... I will switch my next apps to mc 2.43 linux in just some more weeks (a new server is coming...) and i will no more use MC 2.32, even on the actual installed production servers. I will probably have to run some other new apps on the xserve platform (one of my clients use four xserve boxes) and i will let you know how this works on this jaguar server platform (probably fine...). IBTW : Is Pierre Shores my real life name and, Pierre Sahores my pseudo ? I don't remember anymore ;))) Thanks again, Sadhu. We are at the begining of something realy great for the mc community, yet... For sure ! -- Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
How to convert .dbf formated files to .txt formated files in using mc ?
Allo List, Does anyone, there, use an mc stack to convert .dbf formated files to .txt formated files ? If yes, it would realy help me to know how this kind of converter works. Thanks for any help. -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No return from post on Linux? A bug?
Allo Sadhu, Scott, List, Scott, Regarding this post, I have determined, it is not a bug. Sorry to have bothered you. It is a portability issue (my problem). I find the stack files are not portable between the slightly different versions of MC on the development, versus the deployment machines. I certainly could have expected that. Hey, well .. it mostly worked! It ran. It just could not retrieve any data. But almost doesn't count. My solution is to redevelop the application under the version of MC running on the target machine. You don't need, Sadhu, to rebuild all the app if you stick the commun part of it in a first stack and the issue-specific part of it in a second stack. You can even set each one as the substack of the other and get them working together in using the start using command or a simple send message to an object set in the second or substack ;) Since it is a small and simple application, rebuilding the UI from scratch is not that hard - much easier than trying to upgrade the version of Linux on the target machine. (That would be required to bring the MC versions into synch.) The main stack script file where most all the work is done still functions as is except, no split command on this earlier version of MC so I have to recode that part. No biggie. The application now retreives the data from a PostgreSQL db and all is well. Call this one a wrap. Sadhu ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No return from post on Linux? A bug?
Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote: Greetings Scott, Not sure actually if this is a bug report, or I am doing something wrong, a library mismatch, or maybe, just a request for a 'how to do it the right way'?? In any case I would appreciate any advice. Context: I have a stack that does a post command to a cgi script on a remote server. The cgi runs some sql queries to standard out (it has of course first set the correct html content type so that apache likes the output). Problem: On Windows, the sql output is returned as it right after the post command in the calling stack. On Linux, this does not happen. Nothing is returned. More Details: I can confirm that the cgi is being called, that the sql is being invoked, and I can save the output in a temporary file from this cgi (which is an MC script) or even read this file back in to a buffer, but then when I do a 'put' of this buffer, it does not return to the calling stack on the remote client. Again, only if it is a Linux client. It does return just fine to a Windows client. The stack itself was created using MC 2.4.3 and the MC interpreter on the webhost is 2.4 if that could be the problem, but it seems like the post would not work at all to invoke the cgi if it were. Anyway, any thoughts? I can provide more details as needed. Code samples below. Gracias, Sadhu - code sample, the calling stack on AzzList AzzClear set the listBehavior of field contents to true put action=list into azzdata set httpheaders to Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded return # the real name of the host has been replaced to protect the innocent post urlEncode(azzdata) to url (http://localhost.com/cgi-bin/azz.cgi;) put it into sqldata if (the number of characters in sqldata is zero) then answer Sorry, your data base is empty cr else put In the contents field below is a list of all the card titles into field title put sqldata into field contents end if end AzzList - code sample, the cgi stack #!/usr/local/bin/mc on startup # #put Content-Type: text/plain cr cr ## unneeded #put emtpy into formdata ## syntax error # put empty into formdata ## correction if ($REQUEST_METHOD = POST) then put empty into buffer repeat until (length(buffer) = $CONTENT_LENGTH) read from stdin until empty put it after buffer end repeat else read from stdin until empty put it into buffer end if put urlDecode(buffer) into formdata split formdata by and = put keys(formdata) into keywords switch formdata[action] case list put select title from azz order by title; into the_query put the_query into url file:/tmp/azzlist.sql put psql azz -qt -f /tmp/azzlist.sql into command_string break end switch set shellCommand to /bin/sh put shell(command_string) end startup ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Sadhu, I don't know if that's will be ok now but i didn't have the problem for my own (mc 2.32 linuxppc). -- Best Regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No return from post on Linux? A bug?
--snip-- Sadhu, I don't know if that's will be ok now but i didn't have the problem for my own (mc 2.32 linux and linuxppc). -- Best Regards, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: sample db stack coming
Sadhunathan Nadesan a écrit : | Perhaps if Pierre agrees I will post the actual stack on his ftp server, | similar to what he has put there. Pierre agreed. Merci! BTW, another thing I plan to do is make available a publically accessible postgres db for this stack, so you can actually try it, if you are unable to set up your own data base. I have a new server that just arrived at work recently still being which i'm sure you understand! ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Great and cool ! For sure that i will try it when it will be up ;-) -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC front end to PostgreSQL
andu wrote: --On Thursday, January 23, 2003 18:12:32 -0800 Sadhunathan Nadesan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: create table abook ( name text primary key, company_ text, street__ text, city text, state___ text, zipcode_ text, telepho1 text, telepho2 text, mail text, web_ text, recordid serial not null ); I didn't have time to play with Pierre's thing yet but I kept wondering what's the benefit of padding each name with ___ to keep a fixed number of chars in the column names? Regards, Andu Novac ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard Allo Andu, To let Metacard help us to do what tools alike Sybase PowerDesigner or Embarcadero ER/Studio are not able to do, i'm working on a next issue of the MC to SQL solution, witch could become able to build automatically the back-end database structure by converting, on demand, the Metacard front-end objects structure (cards, fields, buttons) in back-end tables and columns, all done, on the fly, in piping metatalk code to the pg server, of course ;) Else, if the tables are build in using the prompt or pgAccess, it's no needs to use 8 chars length objects names. -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC front end to PostgreSQL
Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote: | Subject: Re: MC front end to PostgreSQL | Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | Allo List, | | | | A build 3 issue of the MCSQL Address Book example app is available for | | download at : In an earlier post today I said I thought I should have posted to this list a few gotchas which I had sent to Pierre, so here they are: 1) Don't forget to chmod a+x abook.html in your cgi-directory, even though it is an html file it is being executed as a cgi script. (Perhaps Pierre will explain that little twist to us). Simple : each time i watch to the logs of the production servers, i can see that stupid and negative peoples are trying to hack them, day after day and without success but they are trying... - It seems me a good idea to do them confused in using firewalls, poxying apps and soo on but, not only... In beetwin : most of the attacks are inited from win32 boxes and dedicated to hack win32 files-systems... That one got me. Changing it to have extension .cgi (because I thought I might have to register html as a valid cgi extension with Apache if I didn't do this) caused it to fail. ??? Well, anyway, it works the way Pierre designed it, so don't change the file name would be my humble advice. 2) The instructions say to change the http://localhost etc to be your real cgi-bin directory. I changed it and it didn't work. Hmmm.. Ok, then I went back and realized this pattern occurs 4 or 5 times in the stack main script and I only hit the first one. Gotta change them all. 3) I got the db connection working when I ran the ap under the IDE but not stand alone. Ah, gotta use the resource mover to put the url library in the stack. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard -- Cordialement, Pierre Sahores Inspection académique de Seine-Saint-Denis. Applications et bases de données WEB et VPN Qualifier et produire l'avantage compétitif ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
