unsubscribing

[erik hansen]

i have decided to move to RunRev. they have some
MIDI action over there and MC is really a little
over my head... so far!

thanks for the assistance. when i get handy with
cgi socket array url concerns, i can always
return. right now i am trying to get a startup
handler going... all the best.

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visuals

[erik hansen]

on gv
  go stack Visuals
end gv

Visuals is a small stack with 4 radio buttons.
each button has this mouseUp handler: 

on mouseUp
  fixLnF
end mouseUp

on fixLnF
  put appearance manager,windows \   
   95,motif,macintosh into theLooks
  set the lookAndFeel to \
 (the short name of the target)
  repeat with i = 1 to 4
put control  quote  \
(item i of theLooks)  quote into obj
set the height of obj to 30
set the width of obj to 122
set the left of obj to 750
set the top of obj to -20 + (i * 35)
  end repeat
end fixLnF

the buttons squiggle around and need to be
realigned. the lookAndFeel property can be
observed on the other open stacks.

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Re: sound

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best laptop for MetaCard

[erik hansen]

is there a best laptop for MetaCard?

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Re: best laptop for MetaCard

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--- erik hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 is there a best laptop for MetaCard?
 
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Re: newGraphic problem

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  I want it to work only on the graphic, not
 on the rect of the graphic.

how about using several little rectangles?

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Re: Unhilite all tabs in a tabbed button

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

/H
PS: Does anyone know how to stop an html
duplication of this email when posted from AOL???

please!!!

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Re: MetaCard 2.4.3 release

[erik hansen]

--- Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MetaCard 2.4.3 has been
 released!
 
 You can now download the latest release of
 MetaCard from our WWW site
 http://www.metacard.com/get.html.  If you
 already have MetaCard
 installed, get just the new bits in the
 directory:
 ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.4.3/

MacOSX.sit   
  3637 KbSun Jul 28 02:41:00 2002 Macintosh
StuffIt Archive
  README.2.4.3   
 138 KbTue Jul 16 03:51:00 2002 
  Win32.zip  
1424 KbSun Jul 28 02:42:00 2002
application/zip

what if you have mac OS 9.2.2?

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Re: Naming Conventions

[erik hansen]

 - do something else I haven't thought of

* use labels. use the same label (say Enter)
for btns in different stacks but use names for
the controls that differ in each stack. 

use ids.

--- Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you have handlers that reference same-named
 controls residing in different stacks, you can
 either:
 
 - use fully qualified control names (which can
 get wordy)
 set the hilite of btn yes of current card
 of stack firstStack \
 to the hilite of btn yes of current
 card of stack secondStack
 
 - use the defaultStack to shorten the
 references (which adds lines)
 set the defaultStack to firstStack
 get the hilite of btn yes
 set the defaultStack to secondStack
 set the hilite of btn yes to it

  I have a  multi-stack project with a number
 of information stacks 
  that are very similar in structure, for
 example, a title field, text 
  body field, and card navigation buttons.  Is
 it a problem if these 
  controls have the same names in the different
 stacks?


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Re: Midi xcmds

[erik hansen]

--- Kurt Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The routines allow you to produce MIDI files by
 step-entry on an 
 on-screen keyboard, but at this point not by
 recording live performance 
 on an external keyboard.  You can then open
 those MIDI files in a 
 sequencer, but the routines don't send the data
 to a specific port.
 The idea is that others will be able to modify
 the routines to suit their needs as well.

the sequencing software is on a hard disk rather
than in a box, right? output via MIDI cables is
the most stable from the standpoint of a box ,
but that would all come from the sequencing
software.

i would be happy to buy this kind of a product
and focus on MC scripting. will this be available
fairly soon?

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Re: adding objects to groups

[erik hansen]

Simply use the following to get an object that is
not in a group, into a group.

copy graphic oval to group groupNameHere then
you need to delete the original control that is
not in the group.  -Mark Talluto
--
Another way is to create the object in the group
to begin with: create graphic oval in group
groupNameHere
 Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
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--

what if you need to ungroup some controls and
graphics so the user can move them around, then
regroup them to the original group name?

copying would do, and re-storing all the ids to
their globals isn't too hard, but is there an
easy way to just ADD a control to a group by
scripting?


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Re: Editing an object script

[erik hansen]

is there a list of keyboard shortcuts somewhere?

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Re: MetaCard 2.4.3 alpha 2

[erik hansen]

Are there mail archives for the above?
 
   Regards,
   Sadhu

how about putting the archive address at the
bottom of the page?

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hcAddressing

[erik hansen]

is there a way to set the hcAddressing to false
permanently? with multiple groups, this seems
like the way to go.

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Re: Launch a URL

[erik hansen]

 
 Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hmm, doesn't work on my computer (running XP) unless I set the shellCommand to "cmd.exe." (I saw the note in the documentation about this.) So now I'm curious: Does it work on your XP system *without* this modification? If it is required for XP (and NT?), is it also backward compatible to Win98 and 95, or do you have to check the OS version and alter the script accordingly?Worked in my cases without it specifically setting the shellCommand (infact, using MC2.4.2 the shellCommand shows it is already set to cmd.exe),but it's pretty straightforward to get the systemVersion and set theshellCommand accordingly.Regards,Scott RossiCreative DirectorTactile Media, Multimedia  DesignEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: www.tactilemedia.com___metacard mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikhansen.orgDo You Yahoo!?
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Re: script limits

[erik hansen]

combining all the handlers for a stack into one
script avoids many problems, but opening a 70k
script is slooower.

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Re: script limits

[erik hansen]

--- Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm using, in a 24/7 production context, on the
 linux platform, mc-based
 web applications that include some fat scripts
 (up to 795000 chars each°
 without any troubbles.

merci bien, i will assume that mac OS 9.2.2 can
handle a lot more than 30,000. of course, this
changes everything.


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Re: MetaCard forum for Portuguese speakers (was Re: Beginner's question)

[erik hansen]

oi, try this:

HyperTalk 2.2: The Book
by Dan Winkler, Scot Kamins,  Jeanne DeVoto

http://www.jaedworks.com/hypercard/HT2-2TB/index.html

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Re: Midi xcmds

[erik hansen]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I wrote an entire suite of midi xcmds for
 Hypercard several years ago called 
 MidiToolz

(http://www.rcsprogramming.com/MidiToolz/MidiToolz.html)...but
 they 
 require Apple's Midi Manager. If there is
 already a way to access each OS's 
 respective 'midi manager' from MetaCard, let me
 know...I would love to update 
 all of that work to something more compatible.
 
 John Rule
 www.rcsprogramming.com

if MC does not use xcmds then how do you plan to
update this? it does seem to be needed.

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Re: Midi xcmds

[erik hansen]

do these xcmds create files that can be
transfered to a sequencer?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wrote an entire suite of midi xcmds for
 Hypercard several years ago called 
 MidiToolz

(http://www.rcsprogramming.com/MidiToolz/MidiToolz.html)...but
 they 
 require Apple's Midi Manager. If there is
 already a way to access each OS's 
 respective 'midi manager' from MetaCard, let me
 know...I would love to update 
 all of that work to something more compatible.
  
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 www.rcsprogramming.com


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color threeD standard button?

[erik hansen]

is there a way to color the (threeD is true)
standard button? foreground works fine, but the
other choices do not register color in the
button.

thanks, erik

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start/play

[erik hansen]

is there a way to program individual  musical
notes in MC?

3 rows of 16 fields. each either empty or X

on polyRhythm
  put bg fld Tempo into theTempo
  repeat with i = 1 to 16
if NOT (cd fld i is empty) then play 
  /
   flute  tempo theTempo 60s
if NOT (cd fld (i+16) is empty) then play   /

harpsichord tempo theTempo 64s
if NOT (cd fld (i+32) is empty) then play   /
   beep tempo theTempo 67s
  end repeat
end polyRhythm

this produces neither a sound nor a sound nor an
error message.

play  is for backward compatability, replaced
by start.  they are to start audio or video
clips. 
does anyone have a way to start or play a series
of  musical notes in the play flute tempo 2000
60h?

thanks, erik

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Re: start/play

[erik hansen]

--- Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your line-breaking slashes (/) should be
 'backslashes' (\). See if that fixes it.

that was just for the email.

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Re: start/play

[erik hansen]

--- J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 You must have missed the discussion with Scott
 about this on the 
 HyperCard list -- the short answer is, no.
 The long answer is: it 
 could be done if someone were willing to learn
 the MIDI file format and 
 write the script-to-binary translations. Also,
 the main requirement is 
 that the person who tackles this project must
 be intrepid. :)

from the HC list:

I would think something like HyperMIDI would be
useful to have so that you could produce some
simple files and then decompose them to see what
parts are needed (this can be done easily using
OS X command-line tools like hexdump -C
yourmidifile). But even without that, MIDI
looks to be a pretty simple tagged-chunk format,
and producing something like this from within
MetaCard would be very straightforward using
either numToChar or the more advanced
binaryEncode() function.

Now just to find an intrepid person to have a go
at producing something like the HC play notes
command...
 Regards,
 Scott

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Re: Comparing big lists

[erik hansen]

how about a short example?
thanks, erik

--- Dave Cragg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It think you'll find adding stuff at the end of
 a variable extremely 
 fast using put x after y. However, the line
 thisLine of bigList 
 part will get progressively slower as the value
 of thisLine 
 increases.  This is why the general  advice is
 to use repeat for 
 each where possible and avoid using
 incremented chunk expressions 
 which have to count through the data each time.
 However, going back 
 to the original example, if you don't expect to
 find many matches, 
 that part may not be so costly. On the other
 hand, lineOffset will 
 get called for each line, making it fairly
 expensive.
 
 So, if possible, in large loops:
 
 -- use repeat for each (or split as Scott
 suggested)
 -- use put x after y
 -- avoid using line n of y
 -- avoid using lineOffset


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Re: Dragging Lines in a Field

[erik hansen]

this is very useful. if your tutotials were on a
shareware basis, it would let you put more time
into filling the need for more documentation. of
course the MetaCard users in this list seem
pretty advanced...  it might be a niche market.
  
--- J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Tariel Gogoberidze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   If I would use MouseMove I still need to put
 condition if the mouse is
   Down and we are back to square one.
 
 I am writing a web page that explains how to
 avoid that, and how to use 
 the moveMove message instead of a repeat loop.
 It isn't linked into my 
 site yet and I am still working on it, but you
 can read what I have so 
 far if you like:
 
 http://www.hyperactivesw.com/polling.html


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Re: MetaCard 2.4.2 gamma-test

[erik hansen]

hello, i am the one whose properties stack goes
blank if i try to type anything in (button input
is ok).

i now have half of my controls not showing when
editbkgnd = false. they all show up when
editbkgnd = true. they are all present in the
Control Browser and listed as visible in bg and
cd mode. there are no graphics or images.

this is in gamma.

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Re: MetaCard 2.4.2 gamma-test

[erik hansen]

--- Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My guess: Layers.

yes. i have been playing with layers to create a
ghost graphic showing only a name to be placed
under a button so that arcs can be added
indicating the travel path from the button's
previous loc to its present position.

 1) The group that contains some of them might
 be sitting on top of the ones you can't find.
 (Use the Properties dialog to change the layer
 of the group to 1 and nothing can be hidden
 under it.) 

there is only 1 group and it is layer 1.
all controls are all marked visible in the
Control Browser in the cd layer where they can't
be seen.
they are all in their correct spots and and
visible in the bg layer.


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Re: MetaCard or Revolution?

[erik hansen]

--- J.J.Bayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 there's nothing in Revolution 
 you can't buid with M.C.

c'est vrai?

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Paint paste off

[erik hansen]

Delete, Copy, and Cut all use the same TLRB, but
Paste drops the graphic about 40 pixels up and
100 pixels to the right.

on cd_bgType CorB,what,T,L,R,B
  put the tool into savedTool 
  put the editbkgnd into savedBg
  set the editbkgnd to (CorB is bg)
  choose select tool
  drag from T,L to B,R
  if what is D then type numtochar(8) # delete
  else if what is X then type X with CmdKey
  else if what is C then type C with CmdKey
  else if what is V then type V with CmdKey
  set the editbkgnd to savedBg
  choose savedTool tool
end cd_bgType

also, is there a better way to script these
actions? delete the selection did not work.

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Re: MetaCard 2.4.2 gamma-test

[erik hansen]

is Metacard 2.4.2B4 PPC good for Mac 9.2.2? 

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Re: OT -- Animation Programs

[erik hansen]

--- Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As you may know, there are some MIDI access
 capabilities available through MC's MCI
 (Media Control Interface - Win32 only)
 commands. You can explore the MCI stuff by
 getting the mci.mc.gz stack from
 ftp.metacard.com and going to its Commands
 tab. The dropdown list has a MIDI Sequencer
 Commands item that'll take you there.

i couldn't find the mci.mc.gz stack at
ftp.metacard.com. maybe it is being updated?

google Media Control Interface MIDI MetaCard
returned over a hundred entries.

what about an external MIDI box? does that
involve too much plumbing for MC to deal with?
direct MIDI cable ports seem to have been phased
out, but the serial cable is said to be more
problematic from the sequencers point of view.
is anyone using MC and MIDI for performance or rehearsal?

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Re: icon id 3001 where are you?

[erik hansen]

thanks/danke Sjoerd,

those icons turned up as images in a bkgnd
called HCIcons which i finally located in the
Edit window with cmd-L. the image ids are
3001,3002 etc. and everything works well so far.
what a thrill to see my little guys moving around
in living color.

--- Sjoerd Op 't Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote/ schreef:
 
  the custom icons created in HC and opened in
 MC
  cannot be found. in HC they are referenced to
 the
  stack and appear in the icon window with the
 id
  the creator chooses. guys 4001 etc., dolls
 3001
  etc. where they can be edited. after going
  through tutorials, concepts, and references,
 re:
  icons  images, the dancers remain elusive.
 My
  Icons shows no trace, Icon Chooser-
 nothing.
  
  are custom icons supposed to show up
 somewhere to
  be edited? or could my Properties dialog
 bug be
  the culprit...
 Some things about icons here... (came from HC
 myself so...)
 
 In MC, icons are nothing more than ordinary
 image objects. If you want to
 make your icons, you need to import the desired
 image (as gif or jpeg),
 remember its ID, place it offscreen or hide it.
 Then take a button object,
 and set it's icon to the ID, remember?
 
 In HC, icons are stored as ICN# resources, and
 wont be used when a HC stack
 is imported into MC.
 
 The solution? Try to extract the resources from
 your HC stack, and import
 them in your MC stack. (Maybe this can be done
 with GraphicConverter).
 
 Regards, / Groeten,
 Sjoerd
 
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Re: Temporary picts

[erik hansen]

--- Shari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ...which ones I can port to MC without losing
any
 of the goodies, and without 
 spending a lot of time with the transition. 
 MC cannot easily handle some of 
 the things HC does with graphics and sounds...

i thought (hoped) MC was a super script of HC
that did everything faster  better  in color...
once you got it coded.
 
 When I get a chance, I will upload the
 code in case anyone knows of a better way.

good idea. MC marketing can handle the idea that
you have to do some extra coding, but if sound 
graphics are lacking some people will go for
something like Director or Max first.

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Re: bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc.

[erik hansen]

--- Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc. is
 what comes up alot esp. when
ExplicitVariables()
 is true.
 
  these are close to taken words in MC, but
 not exactly the same.
 
  is this just something you have to deal with
 by naming your variables in German?
 
 not if you are really using german names for
 the variables ;-)
 Best from germanski

i was being ironisch. i meant the made in
Germany as a solution.

it seems that choosing ExplicitVariables() =
false (so you can apply and exit) then turning
off MC, then turning MC back on helps, sometimes.

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Re: Temporary picts

[erik hansen]

if you are importing custom icons from HC,
they will wind up in their own Stack BackGround.

Go to Edit BackGrounds and click on HC Icons in
the Stack Backgrounds window right below the Card
Groups window.
  
--- Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 04:43  AM, Shari
 wrote:
 
  If I wanted to show a temporary graphic in
 Hypercard, I'd use addColor 
  colorPict.
 
  I could use this to create 50 duplicate
 images of a graphic, moving 
  across the screen randomly, leaving a trail
 of graphics behind. Without 
  needing 50 objects to link the graphics to.
 
  Is there a way to do this in Metacard?  Show
 a graphic temporarily, not 
  linked to an object (not requiring that I
 have 50 or 100 image 
  objects), then be able to wipe the images
 away with a visual effect?
 
 One way is buttons.  You won't need 50 image
 objects, but you will need 
 50 button objects, of which you set the icon to
 the ID of whatever 
 source image you have.
 
 set the icon of btn movingBtn1 to the id of img
 sourceImg
 repeat with x = 2 to 50
clone btn movingBtn1
set the name of last btn to (movingBtn 
 x)
 end repeat
 
 You should wind up with 50 buttons all
 referencing the same source image 
 (make sure you disable all the properties of
 the original button so it 
 doesn't look or respond like a button object).
 
 Regards,
 
 Scott Rossi
 Creative Director, Tactile Media
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Re: bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc.

[erik hansen]

(thetarg is in the propertynames) = false

local theTarg
put the target into theTarg

local: name shadows another variable or constant
line:27  column:3 bad token: theTarg
Handler: error in command
Handler: error in handler

this occured AFTER i had worked my way down half
of the script localizing all local variables.
all of a sudden in the middle of the page it
jumped back to theTarg at the top. capricious.
Reference has 3 lines on the explicitVariables
property, but less info than in your
communication. declaring all local variables does
clarify things, and a few glitches did turn up.



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Re: bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc.

[erik hansen]

The jumping script editor scroll sounds like
the Shorty George, the Texas Tommy, or the Big
Apple...

by jump back i mean that apply goes to line
27 where it was going to line 192, and it keeps
going back there even after i set explicitVars to
false and put all the local theTargand all
other local variables above the handlers in the
script and deleted every following instance of a
local theTarg in following script. (they do not
like you to declare a local variable twice). set
explicitVars to true and i still get bad token:
theTarg in line 27.

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:
 
  (thetarg is in the propertynames) = false
  
  local theTarg
  put the target into theTarg
  
  local: name shadows another variable or
 constant
  line:27  column:3 bad token: theTarg
  Handler: error in command
  Handler: error in handler
  
  this occured AFTER i had worked my way down
 half
  of the script localizing all local
 variables.
  all of a sudden in the middle of the page it
  jumped back to theTarg at the top.
 capricious.
  Reference has 3 lines on the
 explicitVariables
  property, but less info than in your
  communication. declaring all local variables
 does
  clarify things, and a few glitches did turn
 up.
 
 The jumping script editor scroll is a known
 bug, addressed in 2.4.2.
 
 Is it jumping to line 27 -- is that line 2 that
 you've copied above?
 -- 
  Richard Gaskin 
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Custom Software and Web Development for All
 Major Platforms
  Developer of WebMerge 1.9: Publish any
 Database on Any Site

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bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc.

[erik hansen]

bad token: theID, iconNum, theVis, etc. is what
comes up alot esp. when ExplicitVariables() is
true.

these are close to taken words in MC, but not
exactly the same.

is this just something you have to deal with by
naming your variables in German?

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Re: Jeanne's book

[erik hansen]

--- Shari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 You did such an awesome job on HyperTalk 2.2,
 and I sure would love a 
 book of that quality for Metacard.

i'll buy one too.

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Re: if/then with and/or

[erik hansen]

--- Shari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ?

parentheses?

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properties stack freezing up

[erik hansen]

when attempting to write something in an object's
properties stack, like a name or icon number, the
little stack goes blank when i press a letter
key.

i thought it might be something i was not setting
up, and re-took the tutorials, but i can't figure
out why this happens. my older objects seem to be
ok. sometimes i get this:


go to card (word 1 of ctype  properties)
if the lookAndFeel is Macintosh or the
lookAndFeel is Appearance Manager
then set the textsize of button 1 to 10 # HERE
else set the textsize of button 1 to empty
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properties stack freezing

[erik hansen]

when attempting to write something in an object's
properties stack, like a name or icon number, the
little stack goes blank when i press a letter
key.

i thought it might be something i was not setting
up, and re-took the tutorials, but i can't figure
out why this happens. sometimes i get this:


go to card (word 1 of ctype  properties)
if the lookAndFeel is Macintosh or the
lookAndFeel is Appearance Manager
then set the textsize of button 1 to 10 # HERE
else set the textsize of button 1 to empty
send getprops to this card




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Re: properties stack freezing up

[erik hansen]

 It looks like you might be getting a bug from
 one of MetaCard's scripts. I 
 get those too occasionally, usually from the
 control browser.

if i create an image object, (for example) then
bring up the properties dialog, then try to
type a char into the Image Name field- the
whole dialog goes blank. 

this occurs after clicking on the object as well
as when using the Control Browser.

 reproduce it with a short example, send the
 report in to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks for the tip, i will.

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Re: properties stack freezing up

[erik hansen]

mac OS 9.2
MC 2.4.1
MetaCardPPC

  if i create an image object, (for example)
 then
  bring up the properties dialog, then try to
  type a char into the Image Name field- the
  whole dialog goes blank.
 
 What version of the OS and what version of
 MetaCard? I had the same thing 
 happen, only I was trying to take a snapshot of
 a window in Classic while 
 running the OS X version of MC. I also had it
 happen while using the color 
 picker inside MC. What you describe sounds
 similar, but I've never seen it 
 in the properties stack.


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Re: properties stack freezing up

[erik hansen]

put the properties of stack MexCho,
or bg btn id 1234, or whatever puts empty into
the msg. yet, i can set the name using a line
command in the msg. i remember noticing this
while going through the Presentation tutorial.

--- Jacqueline Landman Gay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I ran 2.4.1 under OS 9.1 for ages and never saw
 anything like that. Sounds 
 like a bug though.
 
 On Wednesday, March 13, 2002, at 09:57 PM, erik
 hansen wrote:
 
  mac OS 9.2
  MC 2.4.1
  MetaCardPPC
 
  if i create an image object, (for example)
  then
  bring up the properties dialog, then try
 to
  type a char into the Image Name field-
 the
  whole dialog goes blank.


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Re: properties stack freezing up

[erik hansen]

--- Jacqueline Landman Gay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Wednesday, March 13, 2002, at 10:16 PM, erik
 hansen wrote:
 
  put the properties of stack MexCho,
  or bg btn id 1234, or whatever puts empty
 into
  the msg. yet, i can set the name using a line
  command in the msg.
 
 What you want is customkeys.

same result. i will just deal with MC now.
thanks for the help.

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icon id 3001 where are you?

[erik hansen]

the custom icons created in HC and opened in MC
cannot be found. in HC they are referenced to the
stack and appear in the icon window with the id
the creator chooses. guys 4001 etc., dolls 3001
etc. where they can be edited. after going
through tutorials, concepts, and references, re:
icons  images, the dancers remain elusive. My
Icons shows no trace, Icon Chooser- nothing.

are custom icons supposed to show up somewhere to
be edited? or could my Properties dialog bug be
the culprit...

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Re: Script: missing '' after literal

[erik hansen]

--- Jacqueline Landman Gay
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Script: missing '' after literal
  this comes up each time i close a script.

 Find the missing quotation mark and add it.
 A literal somewhere is missing half its quotes 
 or there's a typo and some word has 
 a quote mark at the beginning.

line: 0   column 0   bad token: blank

was the rest of the news. when converting from
HC, the Script Editor had an exact location for
everything it didn't like- including unquoted
literals or put theInfo() into theInfo instead
of put theInfo() into theInfo_.

why would the Script Editor return 0,0?
could this be a bug?


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properties closing too soon

[erik hansen]

when attempting to write something in an objects
properties stack, like a name or icon number, the
little stack goes blank when i press a letter
key.

i thought it might be something i was not setting
up, and re-took the tutorials, but i can't figure
out why this happens.

also the icons i imported (with numbers in the
3000  4000 range) do not appear with the icons
MC provides. how do i edit them?

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Script: missing '' after literal

[erik hansen]

Script: missing '' after literal
this comes up each time i close a script.
is there a work around? thanks.

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RE: OT -- Animation Programs

[erik hansen]

is anyone doing anything with MIDI?

--- MisterX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Flash, director... Freehand... great kit,
 director's scripting language
 lingo is like HyperTalk...
 There's a bunch of others for PC but I can
 think of none that stand out as much...
 
 GraphicConverter is, IMOHO, well worth the
 purchase for Mac artists BTW...
 Photoshop helps getting back to reality on PC's
 - too bad for the Adobe GUI
 aberations!
 

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search script

[erik hansen]

continuing good results from your search script
utility.

i did offer to figure out how to run
automatically through a myStacks() list of
stacks, but first is that already a feature?

one small thing to add would be a put empty
into the object field as soon a new stack name
appears but before the search button is
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moving icon graphics from HC to MC

[erik hansen]

i have several dozen 32x32 icons in HC that i use
for Mexican folklorico dancers. they can be
copied from the icon editor and pasted to a HC
card, and a shot of the card can be exported. the
programs that will open the document file do
not let you save as a jpeg or gif file.
photoshop does not register the files existence.

i checked the faq, readme, and index with no
result. there is a lot in the archives which is a
step or two beyond me. any ideas for a simple
icon transfer from HC  MC?


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Re: pc ontrolKey/mac commandkey

[erik hansen]

--- Jacqueline Landman Gay
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 Use a commandKey handler on either plaform when

 you want to trap Command on Mac 
 and Control on PC.

 A controlKey handler does a similar
 translation, mapping to the Alt key on 
 Windows. On a Mac it will be sent when the user
 types a control-x key 
 combination; the same controlkey message will
 be sent on a PC when the 
 user types Alt-x.

MC reference has 
altKey() = OptionKey()
controlKey() = commandKey()

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Re: pc ontrolKey/mac commandkey

[erik hansen]

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

the functions commandKey()   controlKey() 
return up or down.

the messages  commandKeyDown A and
controlKeyDown  A, on the other hand, can
have handlers. 

here is the ambiguity:
MC's controlKeyDown  A is equivilant to HC's
controlKey  A,  
HC just left off the Down.

my question (because i do not have a PC here) is:
should people on macs just write commandKeyDown
theKey  handlers which will translate to
controlKeyDown theKey handlers for PC? 

and use controlKeyDown theKey in mac only for
personal utilities?




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colorize the script windows?

[erik hansen]

is there any way to colorize the background of
the Script Editor and Script debugger? Colorize
Script is good, but the overall battleship grey
is gloomy. a pastel background would give the
spirit a lift.

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pc ontrolKey/mac commandkey

[erik hansen]

a yes/no query.

is it good to plan that all mac command-
shortcuts will be equivilant to pc control-
shortcuts?

on mac, i currently use control- just for my own
work needs. 

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Re: pc ontrolKey/mac commandkey

[erik hansen]

the mac controlKey has its own non-ascii
numbering system as opposed to commandKeyDown
whixh uaes ascii chars:

on controlKey theKey
  if theKey is 1 then # a
 choose hand tool
  else if theKey is 2 then
 choose rect tool # b
  end if
end controlKey

on commandKeyDown theKey
  if theKey is a then
 choose hand tool
  else if theKey is b then
 choose rect tool
  end if
end commandKey

any general guidelines for compatability?


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Re: pc ontrolKey/mac commandkey

[erik hansen]

so... the mac commandkey equals the pc controlKey
and the controlKey is just not used in mac?

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closing Home stack

[erik hansen]

i am having problems with the script editor not
closing.

for editing  debugging, does it make any
difference whether the home stack is open? 

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re-group

[erik hansen]

after opening a HC stack, which is a database for
songs, i tried to convert the objects to separate
bg groups (blue btns, yellow flds, green flds
etc,) sometimes this works except that the group
is not applied to all of the cards.

i have been going through the Help menu. the
tutorial creates objects. any ideas on dividing a
flock of objects?

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msg as input

[erik hansen]

the archives show some discussion about using
functions in the msg and how the stack level
*may* affect this.

a bg btn or enterkey sends findwords to a
handler in the bg. this works perfectly in HC.

in a database for songs, using msg as input is
yielding bizarre results. once with moon the
visible text in the msg, a previous now
non-visible test entry of 10*10 was evaluated
and the search results yielded every card with a
100 in it! usually i just get nothing from the
msg.

on findWords
  breakPoint
  lockup
  put msg into theMsg # nothing in theMsg
  ...
end findwords

the question is, can the msg work as an input
device or is it better to create something else?



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type into msg while not visible?

[erik hansen]

is there a way to type into the msg while it is
not visible?

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Re: xy

[erik hansen]

that's the one!

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:
 
  any MC analogues for the xy handler?
 
 Do you mean this one?
 
 on xy
   repeat until the mouseClick
 put the mouseLoc
   end repeat
 end xy
 
 
 
 Works on both HC and MC (and SC and OMO...)


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Re: xy

[erik hansen]

thanks.

--- Tereza Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 To avoid bottling up the engine servicing your
 loop:
 
 on mouseMove mX, mY
  put format( horz: %d  vert: %d, mX, mY )
 end mouseMove 
 
 Scott Raney has told us in the past that
 repeat until the mouseClick is
 not a good idea because it bolixes up the event
 handling in the engine. I've
 found that mouseMove works wonderfully in
 situations where you'd be tempted
 to use repeat until the mouse is up or
 similar loops.

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Re: xy

[erik hansen]

hm.

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Tereza Snyder wrote:
 
  new and improved... no flashy text...
  
  on xy
  repeat until the mouseClick
  get the mouseLoc  horz:the mouseH 
 vert:the mouseV
  if it is not lastxy then
  put it
  put it into lastxy
  end if
  end repeat
  end xy
  
  To avoid bottling up the engine servicing
 your loop:
  
  on mouseMove mX, mY
  put format( horz: %d  vert: %d, mX, mY )
  end mouseMove 
  
  Scott Raney has told us in the past that
 repeat until the mouseClick is
  not a good idea because it bolixes up the
 event handling in the engine. I've
  found that mouseMove works wonderfully in
 situations where you'd be tempted
  to use repeat until the mouse is up or
 similar loops.
 
 Very true, but in this case it turns a very
 simple handler into a project.
 :)
 
 The example you posted has a different effect
 than the goal being met by the
 others:  HC's traditional xy handler is invoked
 only until the mouse is
 clicked, and then stops.  Using a mousemove
 handler is an always-on
 proposition, requiring a second handler to
 invoke it by setting a flag, and
 a modification to the mousemove to check that
 flag.
 
 Since xy is the only thing running when it's
 used, the performance
 degredation is less of an issue.


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Re: xy

[erik hansen]

thanks, i'll try that.

--- Nelson Zink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Erik,
 
  any MC analogues for the xy handler?
 
 on xy
   set cursor to cross
   set the numberformat to 0.##
   --set the height of msg for three lines
   put the mouseloc into temp
   repeat until the mouseclick
 put Loc: the mouseloc  Horz: the
 mouseH  Vert: the mouseV
 into temp2
 put the mouseH-item 1 of temp into XD
 put the mouseV-item 2 of temp into YD
 put Xdist: XD   YDist: YD   Angle:
 90-(round(atan2(abs(XD),abs(YD))*180/pi))
 into line 2 of temp2
 put (XD^2 + YD^2)^.5 into temp3
 put XYDist: temp3  pixels, (temp3
 /72)  inches into line 3 of
 temp2
 put temp2
   end repeat
 end xy
 
 Here's one that does a little more. I don't
 know how to set the message box
 height so it will automatically display the
 three lines. If you do, stick
 that line in.


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Re: xy

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--- andu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:
  
  hm.
  
 
 This used to be a content rich list, no need to
 pollute it.
 

i am pretty slow on picking up the ways of a new
list. after 4 thank you's on the xy thread a
variation slipped out. since i don't see any
other responses to responses, i will lay off the
thank yous and their variations. makes sense.
saves time. 

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Apply

[erik hansen]

despite an extensive search of stacks, scripts,
and help resources, the meaning of the Apply
button inside a script remains a mystery.

it appears self evident, yet there is also a
Done button. the Done button closes the
window, the Apply button does not.

thanks, erik

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Fwd: Apply Button in the Script Editor

[erik hansen]

oops, that is OK not DONE

 despite an extensive search of stacks, scripts,
 and help resources, the meaning of the Apply
 button inside a script remains a mystery.
 
 it appears self evident, yet there is also an
 OK button. the OK button closes the
 window, the Apply button does not.
 
 thanks, erik


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Apply button

[erik hansen]

 wonder if there is any way to generate
 some visual feedback when the script changes
 are applied...

there is a visual shimmy IF the script has been
altered. if not, no shimmy.

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Re: brackets

[erik hansen]

parentheses are listed as operators. operator
number 1 in fact. seems you can't go wrong with
number 1 operators.

--- Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 It seems that parenthesis in MC are required
 more often than in HC. 
 Particularly in more complex expressions where
 functions are used 
 among 's -- MC sometimes concates too much
 before evaluating the 
 function. Admitedly, in all cases, the syntax
 is  somewhat ambigous. 
 It seems that HC scopes such expressions a bit
 differently than MC. 
 The parenthesis seem also usually required in
 more complex 
 expressions, like inlining a function as a
 parameter of another 
 function. My rules of thumb became to use
 parenthesis anywhere I use 
 an expression instead of a constant or
 variable.


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Re: Saving stacks as

[erik hansen]

hi Shari,

welcome. always good to see another familiar name
on this list. 

this is cold, but i feel that people who passed
on the $199 deal have noone to blame but
themselves if their needs are not being met with
HyperCard as it now is and evermore will be.

learning MetCard is exciting and Jacquie's
HyperActive tutorial at:

http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/lastCds.html

makes the first step easy.

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brackets

[erik hansen]

i have to rescind my promise not to ask questions
until completing all tutorials. the MC
application tutorial is completed, the first
HyperActive tutorial in progress.

i like to use lots of brackets:
put (the number of items in it) into tot
a few stabs in the msg yielded unexpected
results.
is there a topic heading in MC help that
addresses this?

thanks, erik

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Re: brackets

[erik hansen]

parentheses! curly brackets!
this was once a topic.

for me, clarity is the issue, esp. with a long
line. logical evaluations too: 
if (a=b) and (cd) then...

i just wondered if MetaCard had some quirks...

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Not that I'm aware of, but prudent use of
 parentheses can help make code
 more readable, and sometimes help
 interpretation by the engine.
 
 Start with the discussion of operators and
 their order of precedence.  It's
 in such cases that it'll be more critical.
 
 Beyond that, think of parens as a way of
 removing ambiguity.  For example,
 if you write:
 
put 12 * 4 + 1 into tMyVar
 
 Do you mean:
 
put (12 * 4) + 1 into tMyVar
 
 or do you mean:
 
put 12 * (4 + 1) into tMyVar
 
 In some cases parens have an effect on string
 concatenation as well, so I
 try to put them around expressions I want
 evaluated prior to concatenation:
 
put the number of this cd + 1
 
 is less clear than:
 
put (the number of this cd) + 1
 
 In this particular cases, I don't think the
 interpreter would get confused,
 but it sure makes it easier to skim the code.


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keyboard shortcuts

[erik hansen]

the index has a keyboard shortcuts listing for
paint tools. is there anything on keyboard
shortcuts in browsw mode?

thanks erik

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Re: adding objects to groups

[erik hansen]

--- Rick Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do you add objects to a group?
 I have an image which is 4 times larger in
 area than the screen window.
 The image contains various cells. I want to
 draw an oval around various cells
 and then group the ovals and image so when the
 image is moved the ovals move
 as well and remain around the cell I drew it
 around. Now here's the problem. I
 can draw the ovals and group then with the
 image but then I have to move the
 image so a different area is in the window I
 run into a problem. I can draw
 ovals around the cells in the new area but how
 do I group these new ovals with
 the previous group?
 Hope this description makes sense.

it would make more sense if we could display
graphics. is there a way for the list to allow
graphics as some kind of attachment to help the
coding problems be more... graphic?

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Re: power tools

[erik hansen]

--- Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 At 6:12 PM -0800 1/14/02, erik hansen wrote:
 in the tutorial i got all my objects grouped,
 but
 none of them appeared on my next card.
 
 set the backgroundBehavior of the group to true

this checkbox in the Properties Palette did it.

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Re: THE number of...

[erik hansen]

let me try this again. i was joking around.
the recursion occured because:

this was funny: while substituting
tot(l, for (the number of lines in 
i pasted INSIDE function tot.
HyperCard crashed. the mac crashed.

can anyone identify the too much recursion
culprit?

function tot what,it
  if what is t then
put the itemdelimiter into saved
set the itemdelimiter to ,
return (the number of items in it)
set the itemdelimiter to saved
  else if what is l then 
return tot(l,it) -- THE JOKE'S ON ME --
  else if what is w then
return (the number of words in it)
  else
debug checkpoint
  end if
end tot


i started up usinf command-period immmediately to
stop my startup from executing then looked in the
likely scripts.

well, I thought it was funny.


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Re: power tools

[erik hansen]

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:

  Power Tools. the Super Grouper is something i
  used to move things around a lot with my
 dance
  stack. 
  
  has anyone run into any tricky spots using
  anything akin to Super Grouper in MetaCard?
 
 Not needed.  MetaCard supports true groups, so
 you don't need any of the
 clever workaround devised for HyperCard. Just
 select the objects you want to
 be grouped, then choose Group from the Edit
 menu.

just like my Geocities website...

this is like going from one film editing suite to
another. anticipating problems that do not exist.

in the tutorial i got all my objects grouped, but
none of them appeared on my next card. i'll just
have to do it again a couple of times and it sold
be clear.


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Re: power tools

[erik hansen]

--- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:
 
  
  --- Richard Gaskin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  erik hansen wrote:
  
  Power Tools. the Super Grouper is something
 i
  used to move things around a lot with my
  dance
  stack. 
  
  has anyone run into any tricky spots using
  anything akin to Super Grouper in MetaCard?
  
  Not needed.  MetaCard supports true groups,
 so
  you don't need any of the
  clever workaround devised for HyperCard.
 Just
  select the objects you want to
  be grouped, then choose Group from the
 Edit
  menu.
  
  just like my Geocities website...
  
  this is like going from one film editing
 suite to
  another. anticipating problems that do not
 exist.
  
  in the tutorial i got all my objects grouped,
 but
  none of them appeared on my next card. i'll
 just
  have to do it again a couple of times and it
 sold
  be clear.
 
 Groups can be shared across cards or not, as
 you like.  To place a group on
 a card, navigate to that card and choose
 Backgrounds... from the Edit
 menu.  This will bring up the Backgrounds
 window, which has a list of
 available groups in the stack that you can
 place on the current card.

a.

thanks!

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Re: power tools

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--- Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 At 6:12 PM -0800 1/14/02, erik hansen wrote:
 in the tutorial i got all my objects grouped,
 but
 none of them appeared on my next card. i'll
 just
 have to do it again a couple of times and it
 sold
 be clear.
 
 set the backgroundBehavior of the group to true
 and then this will work the way you expect.
 Note that you can have more than one background
 in a stack, or on a particular card. Many, in
 fact.

thank you.

the mind reels.

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Re: power tools

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--- Phil Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: erik hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: power tools
 
 
  
  --- Richard Gaskin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   erik hansen wrote:
  
Power Tools. the Super Grouper is
 something i
used to move things around a lot with my
   dance
stack. 

has anyone run into any tricky spots
 using
anything akin to Super Grouper in
 MetaCard?
   
   Not needed.  MetaCard supports true groups,
 so
   you don't need any of the
   clever workaround devised for HyperCard.
 Just
   select the objects you want to
   be grouped, then choose Group from the
 Edit
   menu.
  
  just like my Geocities website...
  
  this is like going from one film editing
 suite to
  another. anticipating problems that do not
 exist.
  
  in the tutorial i got all my objects grouped,
 but
  none of them appeared on my next card. i'll
 just
  have to do it again a couple of times and it
 sold
  be clear.
 
 If you group some objects that exist on a card,
 and want that same group of things to also show
 up on another card:
 - give the group a recognizable name (optional)
 - set the group's backgroundBehavior property
 to true
 - go to the destination card
 - select Backgrounds... from the Edit menu
 - place the group on the card
 
 Note that the sharedText property of fields
 and sharedHilite prop of btns can make
 important differences in the way those objects
 behave in this situation.

thanks for the timesaving info.

this will get fun when button animation is introduced...

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Re: power tools

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--- Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 At 7:14 PM -0800 1/14/02, erik hansen wrote:
 this will get fun when button animation is
 introduced...
 
 Button animation? You should be able to do
 something like this already -- create an image
 and reference an animated gif.
 
 gc

i saw that demo. amazing. maybe i shouldn't wait.

the thing is, i have 16 dancers with their names
showing. you move them to 16 differnt locs, then
divide the x  y axis coordinates by whatever,
say 8, then you store all of this, set a wait
period (say 30 ticks), and when you press go
you get movement that appears non-linear. there
are eight icons for 8 directions for guys 
dolls, another story.

if i can script sprites to do this, then it will
be by by buttons.

maybe a good idea to put time into learning
sprites rather than translating buttons and
backgrounds?

erik

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Re: THE number of...

[erik hansen]

--- J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 erik hansen wrote:
 
  put tot(it,l) into tot
  shorter
  put (the number of lines in it) into tot
  clearer
  
  only thing is, nobody else does this.
  maybe clearer is better than shorter?
 
 Depends. In this case, the clearer method takes
 less time to execute
 too, so it's probably better. MC has to get the
 number of lines (or
 items, or whatever) no matter which method you
 use, but it takes extra
 time to load up the custom function's
 parameters, send it, and get the
 results back. So by moving a single native MC
 statement to a custom
 function, execution time is increased. Leaving
 the function inside the
 handler is marginally faster. (MC is so fast in
 general though that the
 difference in this case would be miniscule.)
 
 In other cases, calling out to a function might
 be better, especially if
 the function is long or complex, or if it does
 something that several
 different handlers need to use. A custom
 function call makes scripts
 easier to read in that case. There's always a
 balancing act between
 readability and functionality though, and
 everyone has their own preferences.
 
 There is a difference between MC and HC when
 calling native functions.
 In HC, functions written with the are sent
 directly to HyperCard,
 while functions that use parentheses traverse
 the message hierarchy.
 That means it matters which way you write them;
 if you write them with
 parentheses, they take longer but they can be
 trapped later on in a
 handler farther up the hierarchy (not a great
 scripting technique, but
 it can be done.) On the other hand, MC sends
 all its native commands and
 functions directly to the engine; that's why
 you can't intercept and
 trap any MC keywords. So in MetaCard, it
 doesn't matter whether you
 write the length of thisWord or
 length(thisWord), they are equivalent.

a! i just did all thes. maybe if a goal
is using handlers to teach programming, or at
least how to FOLLOW programming, then the more
english-like the better.

this was funny: while substituting
tot(l, for (the number of lines in 
i pasted INSIDE function tot.
HyperCard crashed. the mac crashed.

can anyone identify the too much recursion
culprit?

function tot what,it
  if what is t then
put the itemdelimiter into saved
set the itemdelimiter to ,
return (the number of items in it)
set the itemdelimiter to saved
  else if what is l then 
return tot(l,it)
  else if what is w then
return (the number of words in it)
  else
debug checkpoint
  end if
end tot


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MetaCard Fanzine

[erik hansen]

just added a MetaCard Fanzine to my website
(see WAY below). so far there is one section,
Tools featuring sites from the list. 3 so far!

next up is a Handlers section for homemade ss
vw mw and you name it handlers. i know there are
a lot of great collections on the HyperCard list,
but i did not find anything along these lines
designed for especially for MetaCard.

i will only use links posted in the list and
ASSUME that the author is amenable. maybe for
commercial sites i should get confirmation, even
for a link. or are addresses considered public
domain?

there are undoubtedly scores of very handy
utility handlers in the archives. it may be a
while before i read them all closely, right now
it is tutorial time for me. please repost on the
list anything of general utility that should have
a wider audience.

Alain Farmers freeGUI etc are an inspiration as
are many other excellent xTalk sites. Jacqui's
HyperCard/MetaCard tutorial is the most
immediately useful for these purposes.

this is all tentative and subject to change
according to people's responses and advice.


--- Ernst M. Reicher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 J. Landman Gay wrote on
   I can't find anything like the HC ss
  (searchScript):
 but I suspect a lot of us
 have made our own
 
 Switching from Macs and HyperCard to windo(w)s
 and metaCard...
 I missed something like ss and some other
 things like vw and mw.
 I deplore that such things aren´t in MC
 sorry to say that but Revolution is to me still
 more a fancy-work than a
 real working area...
 
 People using MC should find a place where they
 put their development environment 
enhancements/improvements
 as something like opensource...
 
 We don´t need to reinvent something like gimp
 or linux - - but a more
 comfortable development-environment with our
 beloved metaCard should be
 reason?!?!?!?
 
 Regards,
   Ernst


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RE: why metacard?

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--- Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Rev is getting a lot of attention right
 now, especially in the Mac universe. 

Mac is getting out from under the rat-fink rap
for abandoning HyperCard. 

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RE: why metacard?

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--- Karl Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, and as far as why MetaCard is the stuff...
 It uses the exact same 
 syntax as HyperCard (which I learned on) , but
 it extends it in so 
 many great and easy-to-program ways I can't
 help but not use it. 
 Other languages often frustrate me with their
 strange syntax and ways 
 of dealing with data... I can find nothing
 better than writing, put 
 char 1 of theWord since doing the same thing
 would be plenty harder 
 in any other programming language.

just fooling around with the msg, it seems you
can leave off  thes (the topLeft of bg btn
og) and it works, although the literature
suggests using the thes. 

since all of my HC stacks were carefully pruned
of thes except where absolutely needed to
execute, i wonder whether others went back and
did the restoration work before porting scripts
to MetaCard?

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Re: why metacard?

[erik hansen]

--- J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 HyperCard scripts execute faster if the thes
 are left in, so I always
 used them and never had to deal with it during
 a MetaCard port. I think
 if I were you, I'd add them back into HyperCard
 and leave them there.

her i thought i was being mature.

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RE: Integrated Development Environment

[erik hansen]

--- Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Eric,
 
 You can try our site at: 

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/default.htm
 
 There's some helpful tools there as well. Most
 work on both MC and RR.

Last Modified: 1/8/02 

that's encouraging!

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Re: ss (searchScript)

[erik hansen]

--- andu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What do you want to know about keyboard focus?

what is it?

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Re: ss (searchScript)

[erik hansen]

--- J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 it sounds like
 you just want to find text in the reference.
 Use the Find command (Cmd-F
 or under the Tools menu) which will bring up
 a dialog. You can use that
 to search for text in stacks.
 
 MC doesn't provide a searchscript utility, but
 I suspect a lot of us
 have made our own. I have one I can send you
 privately if you want it.

thanks, i sure would!

it seems like a MetaCard Fanzine with links would
complement the MC Home page, so i will make one
soon. 


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Re: why MetaCard?

[erik hansen]

thanks for all the responses.

STABILITY (no crashes) seems to be the main
motif.
SCOTT was the constant refrain.

guess the meaning of IDE will become clear soon
enough.

hate GUIs must mean you like to craft your own?

--- David Bovill
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 No *real* answer to that one. Choose between:
 
 1) Scott
 
 2) You hate GUI's
 
 3) You want ot author your own IDE
 
 4) Scott


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Integrated Development Environment

[erik hansen]

 Integrated Development Environment
  
  hate GUIs must mean you like to craft your
 own?
 
 Sometimes.  There's always a question of return
 on investment with such
 things.  I've been working with MC since before
 Rev was announced, so I've
 amassed a fair collection of tools to augment
 MC's somewhat spartan IDE.
 Rev has a lot of the same stuff -- and a whole
 lot more -- already built
 into their IDE.  
 
 -- 
  Richard Gaskin 
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Custom Software and Web Development for All
 Major Platforms
  Developer of WebMerge 1.9: Publish your
 database on the Web

are any of these extras circulating as shareware
and is it couth to discuss the subject on this
list? there are around a dozen pro developers
whose names are familiar from the HC list, and i
do intend to peruse them all to the last page,
it's just that right now my brain is borderline
overloaded, partly with ecstasy over all the
things MetaCard makes available... like COLOR!

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Re: why MetaCard?

[erik hansen]

--- andu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Terry Judd wrote:

  Mature?
 
 Well yes, Metacard is a simple, efficient,
 stable development environment...

sounds like the kind of loyalty and enthusiasm
for a product that HyperCard is famous for.

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Re: why MetaCard?

[erik hansen]

des Français encore!

--- Pierre Sahores [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Perhaps, because Metacard contains the best of
 Hypercard and Supercard +
 the best of the most usefull XCMDs collections
 + the best of Quickeys
 and so on, that all runnable on allmost of the
 best (and baddest)
 operating systems availables today. Why ?
 Simply because Scott (Best
 Wishes to you) did it.
 
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Re: why MetaCard?

[erik hansen]

one of the key questions for me was the
restrictions RunRev puts on Rapid Application
Development (whatever that is (and as i hear 2nd
hand)). this issue does NOT seem to have struck a
nerve .

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Re: why MetaCard?

[erik hansen]

--- Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 At 5:13 PM -0800 1/7/02, erik hansen wrote:
 one of the key questions for me was the
 restrictions RunRev puts on Rapid Application
 Development (whatever that is (and as i hear
 2nd
 hand)). this issue does NOT seem to have
 struck a
 nerve .
 
 The restrictions are much the same, but not
 quite. Rapid Application Development is what
 MetaCard and Revolution are. What Revolution is
 saying, basically, is don't compete with us.
 
 There was a(n) (in)famous case in the SuperCard
 world where someone used SuperCard to produce a
 SuperCard-alike. This is possible because the
 SuperCard development environment is built in
 SuperCard. The same is true of MetaCard --
 that's why Revolution is possible. The Rev crew
 licensed the engine from the MetaCard crew. The
 license simply means that you won't do the same
 thing the Revolution crew did _without_
 bothering to get a license.
 
 The end result is very similar between the two
 environments, although I once called Scott to
 ask about an idea I had for a tool that I
 thought pushed the limits of this, and he
 simply told me that if it didn't violate the
 script limits (allowing the end user to write a
 script more than 10 lines long) then it was
 fine. I think the answer from the Rev crew
 would be about the same.

this finally explains it. i bought MetaCard
without even trying RunRev for a pretty specious
reason! no regrets, though. the bugs will get
sorted out in RR eventually, but i can't afford
to wait. the cool RR widgets, i will just have to
learn to build or borrow.

the consensus seems to be that both are excellent
products with a few trade-offs but basically the
same capabilities.

anyway, what is offered here is so overwhelming
that i feel like a 10 year old i a theme park.

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