Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites in limestone

[Rob and Colleen]

Great, now I've gotta keep my gaze fixed permanently downward. Way cool finds
for this guy, who knew?
--
Rob Wesel
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Graham Christensen wrote:

> Hey people,
> This was posted on a meteorite list that I am on. It is very interesting.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,638054,00.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Rounding Up a Posse"

[Mark Miconi]

Dave,
I live in Phoenix on the border of Glendale and I think I am a pretty avid
reader of the local newspaper and try to watch at least 30 minutes of local
news and this is the first I have heard of it.

Now let me qualify that statement by saying I do not think that our local
newspaper is very good, compared to other cities I have lived in and our
local television news can best be compared to garbage.

Mark M.
- Original Message -
From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Rounding Up a Posse"


> Dear Robert and list;
> So is this anyone that we know...posse or the hunted?
> Best Tucson wishes, Oh, gasp, isn't it about time to update the Tucson
> list again?
> Dave F.
>
> Robert Verish wrote:
>
> >FROM: LA Times - January 24, 2002 - High Tech Section
> >
> >"Rounding Up a Posse" - A bad EBay auction experience
> >spurs an ad hoc Internet manhunt by ordinary folk,
> >who, like frontier vigilantes, find themselves
> >skirting the law in their quest for justice.
> >
> >By CHRISTINE FREY, TIMES STAFF WRITER
> >
> >The posse dogging an online auction seller seized
> >control of his e-mail account, grilled his mother and
> >even assumed his identity in a nationwide hunt for a
> >man they believe swindled as much as $125,000 from
> >buyers through fraudulent Internet auctions.
> >
> >The members of this squad are not federal agents,
> >police detectives or even private investigators. They
> >are salespeople and investment advisors and registered
> >nurses who say they were bilked online by the
> >35-year-old Arizona man and used the Internet to track
> >him down.
> >
> >Like a modern vigilance committee, the 50 or so people
> >from Florida to Alaska seized the community-building
> >power of the World Wide Web both to prompt and to
> >preempt investigation by legitimate law enforcement
> >agencies. Although most have never met, members of the
> >group swapped information daily on a Web site and
> >divided up investigative duties--most of which also
> >were carried out online.
> >
> >Such a rapid, wide-ranging response by ordinary people
> >would have been virtually impossible just a decade
> >ago, before the Internet gave anyone with a cheap
> >dial-up account instant access to e-mail and massive
> >public databases.
> >
> >They are growing increasingly common, particularly in
> >the realm of online gaming, where players gang up to
> >mete out punishment to miscreants.
> >
> >But like vigilante gangs of the American frontier, ad
> >hoc communities seeking justice on the electronic
> >frontier sometimes trample the very laws they seek to
> >enforce, as their quest for justice warps into a plot
> >for revenge.
> >
> >[For the complete article, go to
]
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Rounding Up a Posse"

[David Freeman]

Dear Robert and list;
So is this anyone that we know...posse or the hunted?
Best Tucson wishes, Oh, gasp, isn't it about time to update the Tucson 
list again?
Dave F.

Robert Verish wrote:

>FROM: LA Times - January 24, 2002 - High Tech Section
>
>"Rounding Up a Posse" - A bad EBay auction experience
>spurs an ad hoc Internet manhunt by ordinary folk,
>who, like frontier vigilantes, find themselves
>skirting the law in their quest for justice.
>
>By CHRISTINE FREY, TIMES STAFF WRITER
>
>The posse dogging an online auction seller seized
>control of his e-mail account, grilled his mother and
>even assumed his identity in a nationwide hunt for a
>man they believe swindled as much as $125,000 from
>buyers through fraudulent Internet auctions.
>
>The members of this squad are not federal agents,
>police detectives or even private investigators. They
>are salespeople and investment advisors and registered
>nurses who say they were bilked online by the
>35-year-old Arizona man and used the Internet to track
>him down.
>
>Like a modern vigilance committee, the 50 or so people
>from Florida to Alaska seized the community-building
>power of the World Wide Web both to prompt and to
>preempt investigation by legitimate law enforcement
>agencies. Although most have never met, members of the
>group swapped information daily on a Web site and
>divided up investigative duties--most of which also
>were carried out online.
>
>Such a rapid, wide-ranging response by ordinary people
>would have been virtually impossible just a decade
>ago, before the Internet gave anyone with a cheap
>dial-up account instant access to e-mail and massive
>public databases.
>
>They are growing increasingly common, particularly in
>the realm of online gaming, where players gang up to
>mete out punishment to miscreants.
>
>But like vigilante gangs of the American frontier, ad
>hoc communities seeking justice on the electronic
>frontier sometimes trample the very laws they seek to
>enforce, as their quest for justice warps into a plot
>for revenge.
>
>[For the complete article, go to 
>]
>
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>http://auctions.yahoo.com
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[meteorite-list] Estherville with Olivine

[Roman Jirasek]

After selling over 22 specimens of Estherville on ebay, I now have one
very nice example with shocked olivine crystals that are translucent
under a light source, ending on ebay Sunday. See pics below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1067600964

Estherville is full of surprises! Not just olivine, another slice I have
looks
like it has a Diogenite inclusion in the centre of a 1" circle of a
Carbonaceous inclusion! I will post pics when I get a chance.

Best regards,
Roman Jirasek
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[meteorite-list] "Rounding Up a Posse"

[Robert Verish]

FROM: LA Times - January 24, 2002 - High Tech Section

"Rounding Up a Posse" - A bad EBay auction experience
spurs an ad hoc Internet manhunt by ordinary folk,
who, like frontier vigilantes, find themselves
skirting the law in their quest for justice.

By CHRISTINE FREY, TIMES STAFF WRITER

The posse dogging an online auction seller seized
control of his e-mail account, grilled his mother and
even assumed his identity in a nationwide hunt for a
man they believe swindled as much as $125,000 from
buyers through fraudulent Internet auctions.

The members of this squad are not federal agents,
police detectives or even private investigators. They
are salespeople and investment advisors and registered
nurses who say they were bilked online by the
35-year-old Arizona man and used the Internet to track
him down.

Like a modern vigilance committee, the 50 or so people
from Florida to Alaska seized the community-building
power of the World Wide Web both to prompt and to
preempt investigation by legitimate law enforcement
agencies. Although most have never met, members of the
group swapped information daily on a Web site and
divided up investigative duties--most of which also
were carried out online.

Such a rapid, wide-ranging response by ordinary people
would have been virtually impossible just a decade
ago, before the Internet gave anyone with a cheap
dial-up account instant access to e-mail and massive
public databases.

They are growing increasingly common, particularly in
the realm of online gaming, where players gang up to
mete out punishment to miscreants.

But like vigilante gangs of the American frontier, ad
hoc communities seeking justice on the electronic
frontier sometimes trample the very laws they seek to
enforce, as their quest for justice warps into a plot
for revenge.

[For the complete article, go to 
]

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[meteorite-list] Change of e-mail address

[mjmasse]

Hi all ... With the bankrupcy of Exite my service
provider requires a new address...for those
who maintain me in your address books the
change is as follows :
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites in limestone

[Graham Christensen]

Ooops! sorry guys. I sent the message to the wrong list. I ment to send it 
to the astro list, another E-mail list I am on


Graham Christensen
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>From: "Graham Christensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites in limestone
>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:07:40 -0700
>
>Hey people,
>This was posted on a meteorite list that I am on. It is very interesting.
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,638054,00.html
>
>
>Graham Christensen
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RE: [meteorite-list] My Profuse Apology to Rick Nowak and List

[Rhett Bourland]

Of course I can't speak for Rick here but I think it safe to say for myself
and quite a few others here when I say don't sweat it.  You made a mistake
and not only apologized for it but made an attempt to mend fences here.
Personally, I think quite a few people could learn from you Steve.  We all
make our mistakes and for once its nice to see someone not only admitting it
but apologizing and trying to make ammends.
Best wishes and actually with more respect,
Rhett Bourland
www.asteroidmodels.com
www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
www.meteoritecollectors.org

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An open letter to Rick Nowak and list,

It has come to my attention that I was in total error with the previous post
I had made regarding sending Rick information. I looked further into my
records and coorespondence and indeed I had never sent information regarding
the Plymouth Meteorite. I am ashamed of myself and ask for the forgiveness
of
the list but most of all you, Rick. You certainly did not have that coming
and for that I am truly sorry. Going off half-cocked without checking the
facts was hurtful, sloppy research, and unconscionable. If I had any
credibility with this list, I am certain it no longer applies.
There was certainly an enormous humbling lesson learned.

 I can only hope that you find that elusive meteorite!

Further, Rick, if there is any information that you need regarding the
Plymouth Meteorite, please contact me off list. It is the very least I can
do
having caused all of this mess. I will certainly understand if you decline
the offer. Again...all I can say is that I'm truly sorry for the post, and
wish you the absolute best in your meteorite hunting endeavors.

Steve Sachs


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Re: [meteorite-list] My Profuse Apology to Rick Nowak and List

[SSachs9056]

An open letter to Rick Nowak and list,

It has come to my attention that I was in total error with the previous post 
I had made regarding sending Rick information. I looked further into my 
records and coorespondence and indeed I had never sent information regarding 
the Plymouth Meteorite. I am ashamed of myself and ask for the forgiveness of 
the list but most of all you, Rick. You certainly did not have that coming 
and for that I am truly sorry. Going off half-cocked without checking the 
facts was hurtful, sloppy research, and unconscionable. If I had any 
credibility with this list, I am certain it no longer applies.
There was certainly an enormous humbling lesson learned.

 I can only hope that you find that elusive meteorite! 

Further, Rick, if there is any information that you need regarding the 
Plymouth Meteorite, please contact me off list. It is the very least I can do 
having caused all of this mess. I will certainly understand if you decline 
the offer. Again...all I can say is that I'm truly sorry for the post, and 
wish you the absolute best in your meteorite hunting endeavors.

Steve Sachs


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[meteorite-list] STARDUST Update - January 24, 2002

[Ron Baalke]

MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov

Stardust Mission Status
  January 24, 2002

 NASA's comet-bound spacecraft, Stardust, successfully 
completed a critical deep space maneuver, positioning itself 
on a course to encounter comet Wild 2 in January 2004 and 
collect dust from the comet.

At 21:56 Universal Time (1:56 p.m. Pacific Time), January 
18, Stardust fired its thrusters for nearly 111 seconds, 
increasing the speed of the spacecraft by 2.65 meters per 
second (about 6 miles per hour).

 "This is the maneuver that sets us up for the bigger 
maneuver. It's a combination of increasing the speed of the 
spacecraft and at the same time putting it on the path to 
reach Wild 2," said Robert Ryan, Stardust's mission manager at 
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.  "It's like 
the setup pass in a basketball game.  Now we're ready to shoot 
the basket."

 The spacecraft responded exactly as planned, said Ryan, 
although communication was tricky. Stardust is currently the 
farthest solar-powered object from the Sun, over 395 million 
kilometers (245 million miles) away.  The spacecraft's signal 
confirming it had completed the maneuver took almost 30 
minutes to reach Earth.

 In January 2004, Stardust will fly through the halo of 
dust that surrounds the nucleus of comet Wild 2. The 
spacecraft will return to Earth in January 2006 to make a soft 
landing at the U.S. Air Force Utah Test and Training Range. 
Its sample return capsule, holding microscopic particles of 
comet and interstellar dust, will be taken to the planetary 
material curatorial facility at NASA's Johnson Space Center, 
Houston, Texas, where the samples will be carefully stored and 
examined.   

 Stardust's cometary and interstellar dust samples will 
help provide answers to fundamental questions about the 
origins of the solar system. More information on the Stardust 
mission is available at http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov .

 Stardust, a part of NASA's Discovery Program of low-cost, 
highly focused science missions, was built by Lockheed Martin 
Astronautics and Operations, Denver, Colo., and is managed by 
the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for NASA's 
Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. JPL is a division of 
the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. The 
principal investigator is astronomy professor Donald E. 
Brownlee of the University of Washington in Seattle.

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[meteorite-list] meteorites in limestone

[Graham Christensen]

Hey people,
This was posted on a meteorite list that I am on. It is very interesting.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,638054,00.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper

[meteorite1.net]

Since Murchison is an "upper" what do you use to relax them? Powdered Chinga
as a "downer" & iron supplement?

Sincerely,
Jim

James Hartman
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- Original Message -
From: "Michael Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper


> Rhett, "Because why?"!!!
>
>   OK! I'll tell you why! First I'll have to apologize to Michael
Cottingham
> because he introduced me to eating Murchison several years ago and
> I promised I wouldn't tell. Sorry Mike. I feed my turtles a diet of .1%
> Murchison Meteorite every day and a double dose on Friday. They run,
> jump and play lots more than your average turtle! They follow instructions
> better
> and I found them to run at least 3.7 times faster than your average
turtle!
> They've been winning race after race! Now do you see the pertinence
> Rhett??
>
>
>   xoxoxox, MC
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
>
>
> > Because why?
> >
> > Rhett Bourland
> > www.asteroidmodels.com
> > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
> > www.meteoritecollectors.org
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:44 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
> >
> >
> > Because.
> >
> >   xox, MC
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
> >
> >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the METEORITEcentral list?  Why
> are
> > > you telling us about turtles?
> > >
> > > Rhett Bourland
> > > www.asteroidmodels.com
> > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
> > > www.meteoritecollectors.org
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael
> > > Casper
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:46 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
> > >
> > >
> > > For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
> > > by I. M. Good
> > > Ithaca, NY
> > > 23 Jan 2002
> > >
> > > "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"
> > >
> > > Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper
> > > will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in
> > > "Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new
material,
> > > another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and
> > > a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so
> > > drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild.
Michael's
> > > newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion
> > > bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" the fastest turtle the
> world
> > > has
> > > ever known! Good luck Mike!
> > >
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[meteorite-list] Meteorites and Space Art

[Dean Langadas]

Last call for 
this list:  I have a number of nice meteorites remaining, aswell as 
some very well known paintings of other worlds.  Check it all out(and 
more on other pages) here:http://www.qualityphd.com/meteorite.htm  meteoriteshttp://www.qualityphd.com/artwork.htm  paintingsThanks to all who have 
already given some of my pieces good homes.Good luck to everybody in 
Tucson, see you there.  Dean

Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper

[Michael Casper]

Rhett, "Because why?"!!!

  OK! I'll tell you why! First I'll have to apologize to Michael Cottingham
because he introduced me to eating Murchison several years ago and
I promised I wouldn't tell. Sorry Mike. I feed my turtles a diet of .1%
Murchison Meteorite every day and a double dose on Friday. They run,
jump and play lots more than your average turtle! They follow instructions
better
and I found them to run at least 3.7 times faster than your average turtle!
They've been winning race after race! Now do you see the pertinence
Rhett??


  xoxoxox, MC


- Original Message -
From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper


> Because why?
>
> Rhett Bourland
> www.asteroidmodels.com
> www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
> www.meteoritecollectors.org
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
>
>
> Because.
>
>   xox, MC
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
>
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the METEORITEcentral list?  Why
are
> > you telling us about turtles?
> >
> > Rhett Bourland
> > www.asteroidmodels.com
> > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal
> > www.meteoritecollectors.org
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Casper
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:46 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
> >
> >
> > For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
> > by I. M. Good
> > Ithaca, NY
> > 23 Jan 2002
> >
> > "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"
> >
> > Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper
> > will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in
> > "Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new material,
> > another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and
> > a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so
> > drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild. Michael's
> > newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion
> > bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" the fastest turtle the
world
> > has
> > ever known! Good luck Mike!
> >
> >
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[meteorite-list] Evidence of sedimentary activity in SNCs

[La Mémoire de la Terre]

Dear Bernd,

what a great answer !
But how can you do such great things
in such a small time period ?

you're the "encyclopedia meteoritis" of the list

hope to meet you one day,


Bruno & Carine


-Message d'origine-
De : Bernd Pauli HD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : jeudi 24 janvier 2002 21:15
À : La Mémoire de la Terre
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Objet : Evidence of sedimentary activity in SNCs


Bruno et Carine ont écrit:

> A paper will be published next week in EPSL on NWA 817 aqueous alteration
.
> That Nakhlite contains an homogenous clay called smectite ... This
alteration
> did occur on planet Mars, ...

See also:

GILLET PH. et al. (2001) Aqueous alteration in the NWA 817
Martian meteorite (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A066):

"... we suggest that the alteration products observed in the NWA 817
nakhlite, the apparent absence of carbonates and the negative deltaD
values can be explained by the percolation through the rock of a fluid
originating from the martian mantle".


Best regards,

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[meteorite-list] Evidence of sedimentary activity in SNCs

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Bruno et Carine ont écrit:

> A paper will be published next week in EPSL on NWA 817 aqueous alteration .
> That Nakhlite contains an homogenous clay called smectite ... This alteration
> did occur on planet Mars, ...

See also:

GILLET PH. et al. (2001) Aqueous alteration in the NWA 817
Martian meteorite (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A066):

"... we suggest that the alteration products observed in the NWA 817
nakhlite, the apparent absence of carbonates and the negative deltaD
values can be explained by the percolation through the rock of a fluid
originating from the martian mantle".


Best regards,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Evidence of sedimentary activity in SNCs - Part 2 of 2

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Hi again!


McSWEEN H.Y., Jr. (1994) What we have learned about Mars
from SNC meteorites (Invited Review in Meteoritics 29-6, 1994
November, pp. 757-779, excerpt):

Hydrology (p. 772):

The upper 10 km of the martian crust could potentially store as much as
1000 m of globally distributed water, and the existence of a
subpermafrost groundwater system of global extent has been postulated
(Clifford, 1993). Such a system would constitute only part of a larger
hydrologic cycle that includes an atmospheric leg between the equator
and poles, which would allow for long-term chemical interactions between
the atmosphere and groundwater. Circulation in more localized
hydrothermal systems could be powered by magma emplacement or meteor
impacts (Newsom, 1980; Gulick, 1991).
Zoned Mg- and Fe-rich carbonate spherules in the ALH 84001
orthpyroxenite are thought to have formed at elevated temperatures
(Mittlefehldt, 1994), possibly by precipitation from hydrothermal fluids
in the crust. The measured d13C of +41‰ for these carbonates (Grady et
al., 1994a; Romanek et al., 1994) is the most extreme value in SNC
meteorites. This isotopically heavy composition implies that martian
groundwater may be in isotopic communication with the atmosphere, in
concert with global hydrologic models.

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[meteorite-list] Re: Any evidence of sedimentary activity in SNC's?

[La Mémoire de la Terre]

Hi all,

Nakhla and Lafayette contain a mix of clays from
surface aqueous alteration.
A paper will be published next week in EPSL on
NWA 817 aqueous alteration . That Nakhlite contains an homogenous clay
called smectite. Unless Nakhla and Lafayette this
phase is pure and is deuterium poor. The scientists (6 labs did work on it)
explain that fact by an alteration of the minerals by
primitive water from the mantle under 500 °C.
This alteration did occur on planet Mars, no other
rocks from hot deserts have ever shows such an alteration
in their olivines, even the worst altered DaG shergottite's
olivine are deuterium rich.
This is not an evidence of sedimentary activity in SNC
but a first step to understand the geology of mars.

sincerely,

Bruno & Carine
www.meteorite.fr



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Hi all -

While there are clays in some of them, (and certainly
some of you could easily tell me in how many of them,
and how much clay there is), is there any sign at all
of any sustained hydrological action?  Any banding at
all?  Any other sign?

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[meteorite-list] Evidence of sedimentary activity in SNCs - Part 1 of 2

[Bernd Pauli HD]

"E.P. Grondine" wrote:

> is there any sign at all of any sustained hydrological
> action? Any banding at all? Any other sign?

Hello EP and List,

Here is something that may pique your interest:

Best regs,

Bernd

Meteoritics 33-4, 1998, A023-A024:

Traces Of Martian Sediment In Nakhla And Other SNC Meteorites

J.C. Bridges and M.M. Grady, Department of Mineralogy, Natural History
Museum, London SW7 5BD, UK

Introduction:

We report some results of a search in Nakhla, Lafayette, and EETA 79001
for mineralogical and trace-element evidence of trapped martian
sediment. The origin of these meteorites' parent rocks on or near the
martian surface means it is likely that traces of sediments were
incorporated into them. Salt pan deposits formed by evaporative
concentration of ground or standing water are thought to exist on Mars
[1]. Such evaporates would contain halite, anhydrite, and carbonate.
These could be incorporated with igneous rocks by three mechanisms:

(1) melting and incomplete mixing with crystallizing lava [2];

(2) hydrothermal remobilization [3]; and

(3) entrainment during shock melting [4].

The addition of sedimentary components, which had been in exchange with
the martian atmosphere, can help explain isotopic signatures such as the
high d13C values in carbonate from SNCs [5]. The first mechanism is seen
in Nakhla, the second is most clearly displayed in nakhlites [3], and
the third is seen in EETA 79001 [4].

Nakhla:

A halite-siderite-anhydrite assemblage has textures which suggest it
crystallized at 800°-1000°C from an ionic melt [2]. It is associated
with interstitial silicate rather than being spread throughout the rock
in cracks or voids. In some areas, halite has crystallized around grains
of plagioclase and silica [2], whereas in others, the salt melt has
forced open cracks leading from interstitial silicate into the margins
of surrounding olivine and augite grains. Neither texture is consistent
with deposition from low-temperature hydrous fluids such as those
associated with the clay veins. Siderite can be stabilized at high
temperatures by Na and Cl. The trapped salt melt component contains 97%
halite, 2% siderite, 1% anhydrite, and traces of chlorapatite.
Contrasting trace-element abundances between siderite in Nakhla and
terrestrial hydrothermal siderite (Fig. 1) provide further evidence that
the former crystallized at high temperature. Variation in REE abundances
between Nakhla siderite grains is due to extraction of REE-free halite
from ionic-melt fractions.

Clay in Nakhla and Lafayette:

EDS analyses of smectite/illite veins show they contain ? 3.7 wt% Cl in
Nakhla and ? 0.2 wt% in Lafayette. No halite has been found associated
with Nakhla clay in this or other studies [3]. A late generation of
sulphate and calcite is associated with it [3].
Halite has not yet been found in Lafayette. This, together with
relatively low Cl abundances in the clay, suggests that the Lafayette
parent rock originated in a less halite-rich area of the martian surface
than Nakhla.

Elephant Moraine 79001:

Some sulfates and Ca carbonate were derived by assimiliation into the
parent during shock-induced melting at ? 1100°C [4]. We are studying new
sections in an attempt to provide information on the relationship
between martian sediments and this assemblage.

References:

[1] Forsythe R.D., Zimbelman J.R. (1995) JGR 100, pp. 5553-5563.
[2] Bridges J.C. and Grady M.M. (1998) LPS XXIX pp. 1399-1400.
[3] Gooding J.L. et al. (1991) Meteoritics 26, pp. 135-144.
[4] Gooding J.L. et al. (1997) GCA 52, pp. 909-916.
[5] Wright I.P. et al. (1992) GCA 56, pp. 817-826.

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[meteorite-list] eBay and Tucson auctions!!

[Mark Bostick]

Hello All,
 
Just a note that I have my last round of 
auctions on eBay before the Tuscon shows going now.  I have many meteorites 
listed, including Governador Valadares, Karoonda, a 500+ gram Gibeon slice I 
started at $.01, a nice 400+ gram Odessa for only $99.99, meteorite books and 
more.   To take a peek follow this uhl...
 
http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&[EMAIL PROTECTED]&sort=3&page=7&rows=25&since=1
I also have many items in Blood's meteorite auction in Tucson.  One of 
the thing I believe has been unseen in the meteorite world is a 
1925 Nininger College yearbook. Nininger has one photo featured twice in 
the book. Once in the Administration section (Page nineteen) where it 
notes"HARVERY HARLOW NININGER, A.M. A.B., 1914 (McPherson College): A.M., 1916 
(Pomona College): Graduate student University of California, summer 1918. 
Professor of Biology and Curator or the Museum."
Then on "Page one hundred three", The Academy of Science page, Where the 
photo of Nininger is features again with "PROF. NININGER State President" Write 
up talks about Kansas Academy of Science meeting. The Kansas Academy of Science 
it explains is "an organization of the prominent scientists of the state and 
holds annual meetings at various places in the state which are decided at each 
session"
From the book "Nininger presented four masterpieces to the convention. His 
address as president of the organization was on the sudject of "Observations On 
Meteories with Special Reference to Kansas."
I recently went to McPherson college and tried without success to find any 
more yearbooks around the Nininger era.  The museum, once curated by 
Nininger has a couple meteorites in its collection but not much.  It was a 
little sad I guess.
Also the first time offered for sale everwill be the Main Mass of 
NWA001.  Like them or love them, you have to agree this meteorite is 
"historic".  
Anyway...I look foward to seeing you in Tuscon. A little over a week for 
me!  Its getting exciting...
Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"

RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper

[Rhett Bourland]

Because why?

Rhett Bourland
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Because.

  xox, MC


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> For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
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> 23 Jan 2002
>
> "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"
>
> Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper
> will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in
> "Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new material,
> another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and
> a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so
> drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild. Michael's
> newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion
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[Michael Casper]

Because.

  xox, MC


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>
> "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"
>
> Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper
> will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in
> "Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new material,
> another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and
> a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so
> drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild. Michael's
> newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion
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[meteorite-list] Any evidence of sedimentary activity in SNC's?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

While there are clays in some of them, (and certainly
some of you could easily tell me in how many of them,
and how much clay there is), is there any sign at all
of any sustained hydrological action?  Any banding at
all?  Any other sign?

EP



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[Rhett Bourland]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the METEORITEcentral list?  Why are
you telling us about turtles?

Rhett Bourland
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For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
by I. M. Good
Ithaca, NY
23 Jan 2002

"Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"

Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper
will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in
"Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new material,
another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and
a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so
drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild. Michael's
newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion
bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" the fastest turtle the world
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[meteorite-list] Mathew Bento

[Rhett Bourland]

Has anyone ever heard of a Mathew Bento in Boulder Creek, CA or have any
dealings with him?
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RE: [meteorite-list] Mystery Trench In Wales Caused By Meteorite Fall?

[Matt Morgan]

Ginat block of ice?

matt

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http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regionalnews/page.cfm?objectid=1156
3093&method=full

Experts called to investigate Snowdonia's space riddle
By Gareth Hughes
Daily Post (United Kingdom)
January 24, 2002

A 20 METRE-LONG trench has mysteriously appeared on a remote North Wales
mountainside - arousing the interest of some of Britain's leading
astronomers.

The gash, about 2,500ft high, between Moel Eilio and Snowdon, starts amid a
cluster of smashed rocks, ending in boggy ground close to a fence.

Astronomers were last night investigating the possibility the gouge mark
could have been caused by a meteor smashing into the earth.

Another less likely theory is that it may have been caused by a lightning
strike.

One expert told the Daily Post yesterday: "It is all fascinating stuff, and
if it is eventually found to have been caused by a meteor it will be
virtually unique in Wales."

Local walkers and fell-runners first noticed some disturbance, but it was
not until Caernarfon builder, Mike Blake, a member of the Eryri Harriers
club, examined it in more detail that the interest of leading authorities
was aroused.

Mike, a keen amateur photographer, visited the site and took photographs. He
has sent them to the Natural History Museum and Jodrell Bank Observatory in
Cheshire.

"It's clear that some natural occurrence has taken place, but what exactly
it was, I just don't know," he said.

" It appears that a rocky outcrop was hit and shattered, as there are
fragments over a wide area. Leading away from it is a large gouge mark about
20 metres long, which ends in the boggy ground."

Mike tried to clear a drainage ditch to see what lay at the bottom of the
trench, but it merely filled up again.

"I am desperately anxious to know what caused it, but one thing is clear,
and that is that it was not caused by any vehicle," he said.

He and others are adamant the damage had not occurred in October when the
British Mountain Relays were held in the area.

This week Mike has been in touch with the Armagh Observatory in Northern
Ireland, whose director, Professor Mark Bailey, said he was intrigued by
Mike's detailed description.

"There does appear to have been a violent impact with the mountainside," he
said.

One puzzling feature, he said, was the long trench, as that would indicate
an object having hit the ground at a shallow angle, while a
meteorite would be expected to approach earth much more directly.

"It would be wonderful if it were a meteorite because we don't get many of
them in this part of the world, but something about this does not ring true.
If it were a meteorite, it would almost certainly have been clearly
visible," said Professor Bailey.

"It is, nonetheless, fascinating, and I shall be trying to follow this up."

His concerns about the angle of trajectory and the trench were shared by Jay
Tait, director of the Knighton Observatory in Powys.

"It is well worth further investigation, and I shall be following this with
great interest. If it were a meteorite, it would be virtually unique in
Wales, the last one in England having been in the 1960s," he said.

Tom Muxlow, an astronomer at Jodrell Bank Observatory, added: "It could
conceivably be a meteorite but one would expect some debris, and that
requires further investigation and geological analysis."

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[meteorite-list] Mystery Trench In Wales Caused By Meteorite Fall?

[Ron Baalke]

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regionalnews/page.cfm?objectid=11563093&method=full

Experts called to investigate Snowdonia's space riddle
By Gareth Hughes
Daily Post (United Kingdom)
January 24, 2002

A 20 METRE-LONG trench has mysteriously appeared on a remote North Wales
mountainside - arousing the interest of some of Britain's leading
astronomers.

The gash, about 2,500ft high, between Moel Eilio and Snowdon, starts amid a
cluster of smashed rocks, ending in boggy ground close to a fence.

Astronomers were last night investigating the possibility the gouge mark
could have been caused by a meteor smashing into the earth.

Another less likely theory is that it may have been caused by a lightning
strike.

One expert told the Daily Post yesterday: "It is all fascinating stuff, and
if it is eventually found to have been caused by a meteor it will be
virtually unique in Wales."

Local walkers and fell-runners first noticed some disturbance, but it was
not until Caernarfon builder, Mike Blake, a member of the Eryri Harriers
club, examined it in more detail that the interest of leading authorities
was aroused.

Mike, a keen amateur photographer, visited the site and took photographs. He
has sent them to the Natural History Museum and Jodrell Bank Observatory in
Cheshire.

"It's clear that some natural occurrence has taken place, but what exactly
it was, I just don't know," he said.

" It appears that a rocky outcrop was hit and shattered, as there are
fragments over a wide area. Leading away from it is a large gouge mark about
20 metres long, which ends in the boggy ground."

Mike tried to clear a drainage ditch to see what lay at the bottom of the
trench, but it merely filled up again.

"I am desperately anxious to know what caused it, but one thing is clear,
and that is that it was not caused by any vehicle," he said.

He and others are adamant the damage had not occurred in October when the
British Mountain Relays were held in the area.

This week Mike has been in touch with the Armagh Observatory in Northern
Ireland, whose director, Professor Mark Bailey, said he was intrigued by
Mike's detailed description.

"There does appear to have been a violent impact with the mountainside," he
said.

One puzzling feature, he said, was the long trench, as that would indicate
an object having hit the ground at a shallow angle, while a
meteorite would be expected to approach earth much more directly.

"It would be wonderful if it were a meteorite because we don't get many of
them in this part of the world, but something about this does not ring true.
If it were a meteorite, it would almost certainly have been clearly
visible," said Professor Bailey.

"It is, nonetheless, fascinating, and I shall be trying to follow this up."

His concerns about the angle of trajectory and the trench were shared by Jay
Tait, director of the Knighton Observatory in Powys.

"It is well worth further investigation, and I shall be following this with
great interest. If it were a meteorite, it would be virtually unique in
Wales, the last one in England having been in the 1960s," he said.

Tom Muxlow, an astronomer at Jodrell Bank Observatory, added: "It could
conceivably be a meteorite but one would expect some debris, and that
requires further investigation and geological analysis."

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[meteorite-list] Fersman Mineralogical Museum Russian Achedemy of Sciences:Meteorites

[EL Jones]

Dear Listees,

Here is a hitherto unknown link I just recieved .  It to the Meteorite
collection of the Fersman Mineralogical Museum of the Russian Academy of
Sciences now located in Moscow.

On this meteorite page are photos of the Pallas Iron ( architype of all
pallsites) and the largest recoverd piece of Silkote-Alin. Many more photos.



Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper

[Michael Cottingham]

Give me some turtle soup and make it 
SNAPPY!!!
 
Michael

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  Mike,
  How big do these champion turtles get? They sound 
  delicious!
   
  Dreaming of turtle soup
   
  Mark M.
  
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For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
by I. M. Good
Ithaca, NY
23 Jan 2002
 
"Meteorite Dealer goes to the 
races"
 
Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) 
Michael Casper
will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem 
and Mineral Show in 
"Spirit". It appears that there is an 
"over-abundance" of new material,
another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 
100 -200 newbies) and 
a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in 
meteorite material so 
drastically that they make the fall in tech 
stocks seem mild. Michael's 
newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a 
breeder of a champion
bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" 
the fastest turtle the world has 
ever known! Good luck 
Mike!

Re: [meteorite-list] NEWS RELEASE

[FRANK B CRESSY]

Hello Rick,

Am I correct that you're looking for a 300 lb. piece of the Springwater
pallasite? Recovering it out of the lost well might be the easy part. How do
you get it out of Canada?
Just curious,
Frank

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NEWS RELEASE  SENT OUT TO MAJOR CANADIAN NEWSPAPERS
UNKNOWN TO GENERAL PUBLIC

IMS International Meteorite Society Chippewa Lake
Ohio-

Famous meteorite hunter Harvey Nininger during the
summer of 1931 wrote a meteorite news story for the
Canadian Saskatoon Star. He stated farmers could have
easily hauled meteorites to their rock piles. He
explained how to recognize meteorites, stressed the
importance of recovery, and how he was offering a cash
reward. Later a farmer by the name of Ward contacted
Mr. Nininger and sent him about 200 pounds of
meteorites in return receiving a check. In the 1931
correspondence with Mr. Ward he told Mr. Nininger of
"the big one that got away." Before he learned the
true value of the dark rocks he had thrown away the
largest one he ever found. "We were filling up a well
about seventy or eighty feet deep" he related. "I was
hauling rocks to fill it up. And this particular rock
was so heavy we used a team to pull it up onto the
stone-boat, and then when I got to the well it was all
I could do to dump it. I tore my hands rolling it into
the well."  Later Nininger used a magnetometer in 1950
to find the old well and recover the meteorite. He was
meant by failure due to the technology at the time and
granite with magnetite. I was alerted to this
meteorite after reading Find A falling Star by Harvey
Nininger. Later IMS contacted the village of
Springwater and had them do a tax search for a Mr.
Ward. The current property owners where located and
the amount of $100,000 was offered upon recovery which
is pending further cash offers are in the works. IMS
contacted Martin Beech at Campion College University
of Regina (306) 359-1216. To be a part of the recovery
of this Springwater Meteorite. One dealer  sells
Springwater at $50.00 dollars a gram

http://fernlea.tripod.com/sale4.html

Listed under Springwater

 IMS has access to a Ground Penetration Rader which
cost $50,000.00 IMS will be able to locate the well
rather easily in a plowed over field then proceed with
recovery. IMS suspects meteorite at 300 lb.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper

[Mark Miconi]

Mike,
How big do these champion turtles get? They sound 
delicious!
 
Dreaming of turtle soup
 
Mark M.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Casper 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 6:46 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael 
  Casper
  
  
  For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE
  by I. M. Good
  Ithaca, NY
  23 Jan 2002
   
  "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races"
   
  Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) 
  Michael Casper
  will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and 
  Mineral Show in 
  "Spirit". It appears that there is an 
  "over-abundance" of new material,
  another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 
  100 -200 newbies) and 
  a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in 
  meteorite material so 
  drastically that they make the fall in tech 
  stocks seem mild. Michael's 
  newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a 
  breeder of a champion
  bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" the 
  fastest turtle the world has 
  ever known! Good luck 
  Mike!

Re: [meteorite-list] THE TRUTH ON PLYMOUTH

[Sharkkb8]

 
  Colin?   

;-)

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<< Steve Sachs You must have me mixed up with some other
 guy. 
 
 As for Plymouth I used Bill Peck's search engine
 entered  the word lost and came up with Plymouth.Yale
 was holding the research.
 
 Then I emailed my girlfriend at Yale which got me the
 info for free. In return I own her a date:)
 
 Notice it was  a few days before X Mass said its time
 for a presant.
 
 Contacted the newspapers. Showed them a overpriced
 meteorite price guide. Created one heck of a media hit
 in Indiana and back here in Ohio.
 
 Just think you have to have $50,000 to buy just one
 full sheet of the newspaper. They are giving it away
 like it's going out of style
 
 My phone and email is off the wall. I have so many
 leads So I have kept off the list for now
 
 Very soon I'am going public on the 300lb Springwater
 Meteorite and their are 3 more meteorites going public
 on. Hold on Dorthy Kansas is going bye
 bye..
 
  >>

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[meteorite-list] The Hunt For Meteorites Is Focusing On Railway Stations

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,638054,00.html

Hidden treasures 

The hunt for meteorites is focusing on railway stations, writes
Matthew Genge 
The Guardian  (United Kingdom)
January 24, 2002

If you were in Paddington station on a particular night, you would have seen
something very unusual. A man in his late thirties, smart but casually dressed,
was behaving quite strangely, seeming more than a little interested in the
station's polished floor. Walking slowly across the atrium, he stared at the
ground with a look of intense concentration, occasionally apologising to yet
another commuter into whose path he had strayed. 

Watch some more and occasionally he would crouch, with his nose inches from
the stone. Then he would shake his head, stand up and pace around some more.
You'd probably conclude he was just another of the poor deluded souls that
amble about the streets of London living in their own world. 

However, you'd be wrong. You had witnessed history in the making. The man
was Dr Birger Schmitz, from the Earth Science Centre in Gothenburg, and he
was looking for pieces of rock from space. That evening was the first meteorite
hunting expedition in London. 

Among all the places in the world you are likely to find meteorites, Paddington
station would seem the least likely. Dr Schmitz, however, was not looking for
meteorites lying on the floor but meteorites in the floor. 

Paddington station is paved with polished blocks of limestone and in one
limestone quarry in Sweden, Schmitz and colleages have found 40 meteorites
completely encased in the rocks. It is an occupational hazard to take more than a
passing interest in limestone floors whether they are in stations, airports or
hotels. But you never know when you might get lucky. Dr Schmitz has already
found a number in buildings and one that has spent the past 40 years in a
limestone slab paving a Swedish driveway. 

Meteorites are difficult to find and, except where they have been seen to fall,
cannot be collected in temperate regions such as the UK. The majority of the
21,000 known meteorites are in the Antarctic or in hot deserts because here
they survive for long periods of time and can accumulate. The meteorites with
the oldest terrestrial residence ages are from the Antarctic and fell on Earth as
much as 2.5m years ago. 

In terms of geology and the 4.5bn-year history of the Earth, this is very recent.
What makes the meteorites that Schmitz and colleagues have found in Sweden
unusual is that they are "fossil meteorites" contained in limestones 480m years
old. These are meteorites that fell during a period of time known as the
Ordovician, when the Earth's land surface was still a barren wasteland devoid of
even plant life. 

These Ordovician fossil meteorites reveal events that happened in space
hundreds of millions of kilometres from Earth 480m years ago. The fossil
meteorites have been found in a 1.75 metre-thick layer of limestone deposited
on the bottom of a shallow sea. Mixed in with and surrounding the meteorites
are fossils of straight nautoloids, which are the shells of strange squid-like
creatures. One meteorite reputably sits directly on top of a trilobite fossil and
could represent the smallest meteoritic extinction event in history. 

What is particularly puzzling is that so many meteorites are found in the 6000
square metres of the quarry. The limestone was deposited very slowly, at around
one millimetre per thousand years, so it represents 1.75m years of history. But
even so, there are a hundred times as many meteorites embedded in the
limestone than would be expected from the rate they fall on Earth today. It
appears that meteorites may have fallen much more frequently in the Ordovician
than now. 

The fossil meteorites are a type of meteorite known as L ordinary chondrites and
are still the most common to fall. Trapped argon gas within these meteorites,
produced by the decay of radioactive potassium, provides a clue as to why so
many meteorites fell in the Ordovician. Argon in L chondrites was lost 480m
years ago because of a giant collision that probably broke the L chondrite
asteroid to pieces. Could the debris from this collision have showered the Earth
with meteorites? Dr Schmitz suggests it did and points out that more craters
formed on Earth at this time due to the impact of larger pieces of the asteroid. 

These giant asteroid collisions have occurred many times in the history of the
solar system. There are numerous families of asteroids in the main asteroid belt
between Mars and Jupiter, formed by the break-up of a larger parent asteroid,
and these could have showered the Earth with meteorites and larger
crater-forming objects. Fossil meteorites are, however, difficult to find in rocks.
Only where thin slabs are cut for building are they likely to be recovered. Cosmic
dust may provide a more reliable way of identifying these events since enormous
amounts are produced in asteroid collisions and these can 

[meteorite-list] Rock hunters bag five Mars meteorites

[Matt Morgan]

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Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
PO Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
FAX: 303-763-6917

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[meteorite-list] Early Explanation Of Meteors; A Story Of Big Fall In Yemen

[DiamondMeteor]

This is an extract from Ibn Arabi's famous book: "AlFutuhat AlMakkiyya (The
Mekkian Revelations)" written around 1240 A.D. The book is a very important
reference in sufism and it is considered to be one of the 100 greatest books
in history. It is a vey big book, like an encyclopedia, and there are lots
of references and talenting explanations to many subjects in cosmology.
The book is in Arabic and I did this quick (literal) translation:

"... and those substances (the meteors) existed before the (seven) skies
(the solar system) and they are related to air. Air is hot and humid. The
humidity of the air when it gets in contact with this object causes fire in
the wet parts of the air and this causes those planets that have tails
(meteors) to appear and that is because of the high speed of their motion
that is why we see the tails..
And I have seen once its tail remained for one hour and more than one hour
while I was in Tawaf (circling around Ka'aba) me and a group of people.
People were astonished of that. We have never seen any night with so many
meteors all the night till the morning because there were many of them and
they were interfering like fire sparks and they prevented us from seeing
other planets and stars. So we said it must be some accident.
After a while news came from Yemen that there were a big disaster at that
time and the wind came there with much dust that is like Zink until it
accumulated on the ground till the knees and there were fear between people
and the day was dark that they had to walk with candles during the day and
they were not able to see the Sun because of the huge clouds, and they heard
strange sounds in the sea All this happened in the year 600 or 599
(Hijri) I am not sure because I did not write it down at that time and place
until now in 627 (Hijri) (in Damascus), but it is well known to all people
of Hijaz and Yemen..
And those meteors that have tails do not actually occur in ether but in the
air; they burn it, so they are in reality a burning air and not ignited air
(without torch). ... And in reality the first sky is extremly cold but Allah
made a barrier between us and this cold sky with this fire between the air
and the sky and that is why life is possible on Earth for animals and plants
and metals which would otherwise be very cold. Allah heated the earth, the
water and the air (elements) with the rays from other planets (including the
Sun) that is continously coming down onto the Earth throgh this ether.."
[AlFutuhat AlMakkiyya, part II, page 450 ]


Best Regards
Mohamed Yousef
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