Re: [meteorite-list] California
Yep we did it is 33 as I type Jim - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] California > The weather is unusual right now. The average temperature here in Ky. > should be in the 30's. It's about 65 right now. I think we must have swapped > weather. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites > > - Original Message - > From: "meteorite1.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] California > > > > Hello List, > > > > You know the one about a snowballs chance in hell, well I am in > > Perris,California near March AFB & it is snowing. > > > > Jim > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] California
The weather is unusual right now. The average temperature here in Ky. should be in the 30's. It's about 65 right now. I think we must have swapped weather. Brad Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites - Original Message - From: "meteorite1.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] California > Hello List, > > You know the one about a snowballs chance in hell, well I am in > Perris,California near March AFB & it is snowing. > > Jim > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello List, You know the one about a snowballs chance in hell, well I am in Perris,California near March AFB & it is snowing. Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] actions
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I'll be with him Farmer. I'll give Bessey a whole law firm. You'll need a lawyer Farmer! Now you lookie here! You mess with my Canadian friend Dean and your messing wit me knuklehead! Go suck on a taco Farmer. xoxox, MC - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dean bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > See you in Tucson, Ill shove them up your ass in a day or two. > I gave you a chance, you just spout more shit. > See you here. Get a lawyer. > - Original Message - > From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > I notice that you never showed us copies of your export permits with that > > posting. Where are they farmer? > > DEAN > > > > > > > >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:56 -0600 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [207.155.198.79] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBE20DAEB0051400431DCCF9BC64FF7900; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 > 22:17:16 -0800 > > >Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net > > >[207.155.198.83])by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] > id > > >g0U6HED11316 ;Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:14 -0500 (EST) > > >Received: from computer (ts006d26.tuc-az.concentric.net > [208.177.52.38])by > > >mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a)id BAA28001; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 > 01:17:10 -0500 > > >(EST) > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:19:09 -0800 > > >Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Message-ID: <000e01c1a94e$76195740$2634b1d0@computer> > > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > > > >Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now > > >getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I > > >can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less > > >about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know > > >that > > >you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I > > >assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then > > >that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very > > >easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL > get > > >VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never > spoke > > >to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are > > >saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I > suggest, > > >because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and > getting > > >really to the point of dafamation of character. . > > >You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT > tell > > >people outright lies. > > >Dean, again, I want an apology right now. > > >Mike Farmer > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM > > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > > > > > > > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so > >did > > >my > > > > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > > > > >Mike Farmer > > > > > > > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > > > > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about > you? > > >You > > > > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the > > >police > > > > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing > > >me". > > >I > > > > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you > > >never > > > > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do > you > > > > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here > > >that > > > > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over > I > > >can > > > > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although > I > > > > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get > > >that > > > > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". > > >From > > > > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a > > >lot". > > > > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over > > >for > > > > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > > > > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all > > >copies > > > > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > > > > I would also like to respond to your casper po
[meteorite-list] List failure
Well everyone. It has been nice knowing you, but I am now unsubscribing from the meteorite central list. It has been a great 7 years, but now it is time to cut loose of this medium. It seems to have degenerated into a freakshow house of idle gossip. Rarely does anything meteorite related come up any more. I am tired of the gossip. People allow this sort of lies without question. I will continue my work with meteorites as usual, just not here. Ron, please add me to your mailing list, I will truly miss you great imput. I wish to leave now before I get driven over the edge. I stand up for myself Dean and because of that I need to be off this list, where submission seems to be the order of the day. How dare you call me a crybaby. Ill see you here. Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
See you in Tucson, Ill shove them up your ass in a day or two. I gave you a chance, you just spout more shit. See you here. Get a lawyer. - Original Message - From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > I notice that you never showed us copies of your export permits with that > posting. Where are they farmer? > DEAN > > > > >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:56 -0600 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [207.155.198.79] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBE20DAEB0051400431DCCF9BC64FF7900; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:17:16 -0800 > >Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net > >[207.155.198.83])by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id > >g0U6HED11316 ;Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:14 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from computer (ts006d26.tuc-az.concentric.net [208.177.52.38])by > >mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a)id BAA28001; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:10 -0500 > >(EST) > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:19:09 -0800 > >Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Message-ID: <000e01c1a94e$76195740$2634b1d0@computer> > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > >Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now > >getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I > >can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less > >about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know > >that > >you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I > >assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then > >that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very > >easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL get > >VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never spoke > >to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are > >saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I suggest, > >because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and getting > >really to the point of dafamation of character. . > >You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT tell > >people outright lies. > >Dean, again, I want an apology right now. > >Mike Farmer > >- Original Message - > >From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > > > > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did > >my > > > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > > > >Mike Farmer > > > > > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > > > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? > >You > > > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the > >police > > > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing > >me". > >I > > > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you > >never > > > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you > > > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here > >that > > > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I > >can > > > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I > > > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get > >that > > > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". > >From > > > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a > >lot". > > > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over > >for > > > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > > > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all > >copies > > > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > > > I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not > > > being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you > > > reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more > >than > > > other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported > > > meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are > >not > > > reflective of the meteorite dealing community. You are an outright > >fraud. > > > What about your Tagish lake trip? Are you going to tell us all that if > >you > > > actually got some that you would not have illegally brought tham back to > >the > > > United States with you when you returned? > > > I kno
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
That is none of your business. Why dont you call Whitehorse Geologicel Survey, where I spent many of my days and donated about $1000 in meteorites, I worked with them to come to any type of aggreement on that meteorite. We failed to reach one, I went home empty handed. That story is now 2 years old. So Dean, why dont you stop trying to imagine what i would or would not do and say only things that have been done. - Original Message - From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > And never told us what you were planning to do with any Tagish Lake if you > had found any on that trip. > DEAN > > > > >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:56 -0600 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [207.155.198.79] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBE20DAEB0051400431DCCF9BC64FF7900; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:17:16 -0800 > >Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net > >[207.155.198.83])by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id > >g0U6HED11316 ;Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:14 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from computer (ts006d26.tuc-az.concentric.net [208.177.52.38])by > >mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a)id BAA28001; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:10 -0500 > >(EST) > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:19:09 -0800 > >Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Message-ID: <000e01c1a94e$76195740$2634b1d0@computer> > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > > >Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now > >getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I > >can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less > >about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know > >that > >you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I > >assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then > >that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very > >easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL get > >VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never spoke > >to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are > >saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I suggest, > >because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and getting > >really to the point of dafamation of character. . > >You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT tell > >people outright lies. > >Dean, again, I want an apology right now. > >Mike Farmer > >- Original Message - > >From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > > > > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did > >my > > > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > > > >Mike Farmer > > > > > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > > > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? > >You > > > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the > >police > > > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing > >me". > >I > > > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you > >never > > > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you > > > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here > >that > > > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I > >can > > > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I > > > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get > >that > > > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". > >From > > > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a > >lot". > > > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over > >for > > > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > > > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all > >copies > > > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > > > I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not > > > being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you > > > reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more > >than > > > other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported > > > meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are > >not > > > reflective of the meteorite deal
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I notice that you never showed us copies of your export permits with that posting. Where are they farmer? DEAN > >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:56 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.155.198.79] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE20DAEB0051400431DCCF9BC64FF7900; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:17:16 -0800 >Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net >[207.155.198.83])by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id >g0U6HED11316 ;Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:14 -0500 (EST) >Received: from computer (ts006d26.tuc-az.concentric.net [208.177.52.38])by >mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a)id BAA28001; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:10 -0500 >(EST) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:19:09 -0800 >Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-ID: <000e01c1a94e$76195740$2634b1d0@computer> >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now >getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I >can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less >about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know >that >you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I >assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then >that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very >easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL get >VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never spoke >to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are >saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I suggest, >because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and getting >really to the point of dafamation of character. . >You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT tell >people outright lies. >Dean, again, I want an apology right now. >Mike Farmer >- Original Message - >From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did >my > > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > > >Mike Farmer > > > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? >You > > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the >police > > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing >me". >I > > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you >never > > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you > > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here >that > > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I >can > > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I > > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get >that > > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". >From > > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a >lot". > > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over >for > > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all >copies > > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > > I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not > > being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you > > reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more >than > > other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported > > meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are >not > > reflective of the meteorite dealing community. You are an outright >fraud. > > What about your Tagish lake trip? Are you going to tell us all that if >you > > actually got some that you would not have illegally brought tham back to >the > > United States with you when you returned? > > I know that you are going to say that yes you would have gave them to >the > > Canadian Government and went through the practically impossible to get > > export permit process but I am sure that list members can think for > > themselves about what you would have done with any Tagish Lake that you > > would have gotten your hands on. > > So where are they farmer? Show us your Moroccan export permits. >Everybody > > who has a NWA meteorite from you has an illegal meteorite and you know >it. > >
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
And never told us what you were planning to do with any Tagish Lake if you had found any on that trip. DEAN > >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions >Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:24:56 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [207.155.198.79] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBE20DAEB0051400431DCCF9BC64FF7900; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:17:16 -0800 >Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net >[207.155.198.83])by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id >g0U6HED11316 ;Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:14 -0500 (EST) >Received: from computer (ts006d26.tuc-az.concentric.net [208.177.52.38])by >mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a)id BAA28001; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:17:10 -0500 >(EST) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:19:09 -0800 >Errors-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-ID: <000e01c1a94e$76195740$2634b1d0@computer> >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > >Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now >getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I >can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less >about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know >that >you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I >assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then >that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very >easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL get >VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never spoke >to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are >saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I suggest, >because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and getting >really to the point of dafamation of character. . >You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT tell >people outright lies. >Dean, again, I want an apology right now. >Mike Farmer >- Original Message - >From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > > > > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did >my > > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > > >Mike Farmer > > > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? >You > > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the >police > > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing >me". >I > > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you >never > > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you > > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here >that > > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I >can > > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I > > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get >that > > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". >From > > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a >lot". > > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over >for > > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all >copies > > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > > I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not > > being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you > > reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more >than > > other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported > > meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are >not > > reflective of the meteorite dealing community. You are an outright >fraud. > > What about your Tagish lake trip? Are you going to tell us all that if >you > > actually got some that you would not have illegally brought tham back to >the > > United States with you when you returned? > > I know that you are going to say that yes you would have gave them to >the > > Canadian Government and went through the practically impossible to get > > export permit process but I am sure that list members can think for > > themselves about what you would have done with any Tagish Lake that you > > would have gotten your hands on. > > So where are they farmer? Show us your Moroccan export permits. >Everybody > > who has a NWA meteorite from you has an illegal meteorite and you know >it. > > DE
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
Dean, give us ALL the name of the policeman. This is BULLSHIT, I am now getting pissed off, your comments are not true and if you continue then I can actually take legal actions against you. Normally I could care less about rumors, but this one is absolutely bogus and VERY SERIOUS. I know that you truly believe that you know everyone and everything in Africa, but I assure you that you do not. If you have been given poor information then that is not your fault, but spreading lies publicly can get you sued very easy here. I am telling you now to apologize to me right now, OR I WILL get VERY UGLY in Tucson when you get here. I am no longer amused. I never spoke to any policeman in Morocco, never had any problem there, so what you are saying is BULLSHIT. Get you goddammed information in a new place I suggest, because what you think you know is not true, and is defamatory and getting really to the point of dafamation of character. . You may say what you like or think about me or my business, but DO NOT tell people outright lies. Dean, again, I want an apology right now. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions > >Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did my > >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? > >Mike Farmer > > > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a > comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? You > are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the police > when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing me". I > guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you never > actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you > want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here that > somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I can > give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I > wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get that > information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". From > your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a lot". > Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over for > the cry baby "Drinks a lot". > As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all copies > of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. > I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not > being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you > reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more than > other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported > meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are not > reflective of the meteorite dealing community. You are an outright fraud. > What about your Tagish lake trip? Are you going to tell us all that if you > actually got some that you would not have illegally brought tham back to the > United States with you when you returned? > I know that you are going to say that yes you would have gave them to the > Canadian Government and went through the practically impossible to get > export permit process but I am sure that list members can think for > themselves about what you would have done with any Tagish Lake that you > would have gotten your hands on. > So where are they farmer? Show us your Moroccan export permits. Everybody > who has a NWA meteorite from you has an illegal meteorite and you know it. > DEAN > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
>Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so >did my >wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? >Mike Farmer > I am confused. Is this a comment that you are making about casper or a comment that you are quoting from a nomad about how he feels about you? You are even using the same word in your email. When amouri went to the police when you were recently were in morocco his comment was "He's screwing me". I guess that you talked your way out of it with the police because you never actually broke any law. Just a slimy businessmen. What more proof do you want? I gave specific names. I am not making idle vague comments here that somebody cannot independently verify. And if somebody wants to go over I can give him names of police officers in morocco who spoke to you although I wont post that publicly. But I am sure that anybody could easily get that information from Amouri. And your only response was "He drinks a lot". From your postings it would appear that all of your competation "drinks a lot". Is that the best that you can come up with? Anybody who dont roll over for the cry baby "Drinks a lot". As far as your illegal meteorite exports go why dont you post us all copies of your export permits? You know that you dont have them. I would also like to respond to your casper posting accusing him of not being reflective of the meteorite community. What about you? Are you reflective? True Casper might get enjoyment out of harrassing you more than other dealers sometimes but he would never sell illegally exported meteorites. Most dealers would avoid known illegal meteorites. You are not reflective of the meteorite dealing community. You are an outright fraud. What about your Tagish lake trip? Are you going to tell us all that if you actually got some that you would not have illegally brought tham back to the United States with you when you returned? I know that you are going to say that yes you would have gave them to the Canadian Government and went through the practically impossible to get export permit process but I am sure that list members can think for themselves about what you would have done with any Tagish Lake that you would have gotten your hands on. So where are they farmer? Show us your Moroccan export permits. Everybody who has a NWA meteorite from you has an illegal meteorite and you know it. DEAN _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gilbert Ray Campground in Tucson
Hi to Bob and List, Gilbert Ray Campground phone number 520 883 4200 Regards, Larry and Twink At 12:00 PM 1/29/02 -0600, Bob King wrote: Hello all, Unfortunately I will have to experience Tucson from afar this year. But I want to pass along a place I stayed at last year that was a wonderful bargain and a nice way to experience the fantastic desert environment. My first night was spent in the Rodeway Inn for a mere $99 ;-). As I lay in bed listening to traffic I vowed it would be my last night for that price. In the morning I contacted the kind folks at Gilbert Ray Campgrounds in Tucson Mountain Park (about 20 minutes from downtown Tucson just off Gates Pass Road). For $7 a night I got a quiet campsite near some very pretty hiking trails. My time at Gilbert Ray was at least as memorable as the show itself. The sky was dark, the stars spectacular. The only catch is that you cannot reserve a camp site on the phone. You have to be there in the morning when they open (they open about 8 or 9 a.m. as I recall) and ask for a spot in person. The good news is that you can have that spot for a number of days without needing to renew. When I went it was no problem -- there were a bunch of openings. The modest campground is run by a couple of the friendliest people I met. And the people in camp -- some tent campers like myself, others with RVs -- were quiet at night. I wish I could give you the phone number but I can't find it in all the stuff I brought back. Just call the Tucson Chamber of Commerce or directory assistance. Happy lodgings! Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] MUD SLINGING
I agree! I need to give my poor "delete" finger a rest. It's starting to cramp! : ) Jeannie - Original Message - From: meteorites To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MUD SLINGING Please guys, why do you have to stirr YOUR shit openly on this list???It leaves a bad smell on you, and a lot of us are probably re-assessing their opinions on each of you.Perhaps not because what the others said about you, more what you 've said about your opponents.If you have disagreements, PLEASE, don't bother us with your rudeness.From DOWN-UNDER,Norbert F. KammelIMCA#3420
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
Farmer, Please tell everyone how you came to me not so long ago for help in becomming a meteorite dealer. MC - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] actions I just want to say this, before my father died he told me that if someone says something about you that isn't true, you had better call them on it and stand up for yourself. I firmly believe that. I have been accused of some bad things by Mr. Bessy yesterday, he did it publicly, so my response should thus be public. For those of you who are not in this, I understand your lack of enthusiasm for the emails, but when your name is put into question, Ill bet my last dollar that most of you would jump right in there and do as I have done. I asked for proof of these accusations from both Casper and Bessy and none has been provided. When someone wants to accuse me of anything, and you do it publicly, I assure you that I will respond accordingly. Thanks Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] actions
Indeed I did, I wanted meteorites and worked for you in Tucson, so did my wife, we got screwed over. Any questions? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] actions Farmer, Please tell everyone how you came to me not so long ago for help in becomming a meteorite dealer. MC - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] actions I just want to say this, before my father died he told me that if someone says something about you that isn't true, you had better call them on it and stand up for yourself. I firmly believe that. I have been accused of some bad things by Mr. Bessy yesterday, he did it publicly, so my response should thus be public. For those of you who are not in this, I understand your lack of enthusiasm for the emails, but when your name is put into question, Ill bet my last dollar that most of you would jump right in there and do as I have done. I asked for proof of these accusations from both Casper and Bessy and none has been provided. When someone wants to accuse me of anything, and you do it publicly, I assure you that I will respond accordingly. Thanks Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] EUVE satellite reentry
Hi All, I've done a quick and dirty analysis of the upcoming EUVE decay to assess probabilities for the reentry impacting particular locations. For the sake of this analysis, I've assumed a reentry date/time of 1/31 06:00 UTC +/- 12 hours. Here are the probabilities I came up with for a number of locations (some general, some specific): Africa: 11.5% Australia:3.8% Brazil: 3.4% Saudi Arabia: 1.9% India:1.8% Mexico: 1.1% Peru: 0.9% Argentina:0.8% Chile:0.6% Texas:0.5% Venezuela:0.5% Nicaragua:0.3% Cuba: 0.3% Bahamas: 0.1% Hawaii: 0.1% Belize: 0.1% One large country I forgot to compute was southern China, which has a probability in the same ballpark as Saudi Arabia. Pakistan, Iran, southernmost Afghanistan, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines all have non-zero probabilities of impact. However, there is a better than 60% chance that reentry will occur over the Pacific, Atlantic or Indian Ocean. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] actions
I just want to say this, before my father died he told me that if someone says something about you that isn't true, you had better call them on it and stand up for yourself. I firmly believe that. I have been accused of some bad things by Mr. Bessy yesterday, he did it publicly, so my response should thus be public. For those of you who are not in this, I understand your lack of enthusiasm for the emails, but when your name is put into question, Ill bet my last dollar that most of you would jump right in there and do as I have done. I asked for proof of these accusations from both Casper and Bessy and none has been provided. When someone wants to accuse me of anything, and you do it publicly, I assure you that I will respond accordingly. Thanks Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] free speech
Dear Listees I used to agree with what Norbert requested (i.e., leave mud slinging out of the list), but I find that some of what is said is worthwhile (and besides, it adds a bit of humor to a stressful job) and much more importantly, I have a pretty fast delete key. If the keeper of the list finds it objectionable, that person can delete either the messages or the people who write them. But I don't think we need to exercise (exorcise?) a behavior code. If the folks in question wish to be rude let them; if the readers of the list are offended, don't read it. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MUD SLINGING
Please guys, why do you have to stirr YOUR shit openly on this list??? It leaves a bad smell on you, and a lot of us are probably re-assessing their opinions on each of you. Perhaps not because what the others said about you, more what you 've said about your opponents. If you have disagreements, PLEASE, don't bother us with your rudeness. >From DOWN-UNDER, Norbert F. Kammel IMCA#3420
Re: [meteorite-list] ME08...
Vincent, All, What a coincidence, after carefully studying the pict. for 19 days, I was just going to write and say," I think it IS A METEORITE!" http://users.skynet.be/meteorite.be/keskeME08.html ( I was, too) K. Newton vincent jacques wrote: Hello, I'm posted 3 weeks ago some photos with a black stone found in south of Sahara during a travel. I'm received more than 70 responses. I thank you for your ideas!! For 70 % of people (numerous dealers and collectors), this black stone isn't meteorite. What's? Ventifact was the major idea. Also Jade and Dorite was very interesting ideas. Thank you for your numerous photos of meteorite-wrong. One dealer wish purchase it... "just for the nice aspect of this meteorite wrong"...mc Ok, 20% of people don't say what's it. I'm observed that the majority of desert hunters don't say that's or that's not meteorite: just interesting stone. And 10% people ( mainly collectors) think that's a meteorite. >From very old chondrite to... lunar... It's crazy... 100% of collectors and dealers of meteorites are in doubt. (also me during 2 months). I'm received today a preliminary study based on the oxygen: ME08 IS A METEORITE I'm my own idea about the possible class. Sorry Bernd, it's not a lunar :-) , it's not a chondrite, not martian, and it's not ureilite. It's other known type. I don't say more information, and prefer wait next results Best regards, Vincent Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ME08 IS A METEORITE !
vincent jacques a écrit: vincent jacques wrote: > I'm received today a preliminary study based > on the oxygen: ME08 IS A METEORITE Mes meilleures félicitations! Sincere congratulations! > Sorry Bernd, it's not a lunar :-) But it IS a meteorite and that counts! Mais c'est une météorite et c'est ce qui importe! > it's not a chondrite, not martian, > and it's not ureilite. Whatever it is, it is a beautiful messenger from space! Quoi que ce soit, il s'agit d'un messager extraordinaire de l'espace! Météoritiquement, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ME08...
Oxygen isotopes aint' good enough my friend...trust me. Matt - Original Message - From: vincent jacques To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] ME08... Hello, I'm posted 3 weeks ago some photos with a black stone found in south of Sahara during a travel. I'm received more than 70 responses. I thank you for your ideas!! For 70 % of people (numerous dealers and collectors), this black stone isn't meteorite. What's? Ventifact was the major idea. Also Jade and Dorite was very interesting ideas. Thank you for your numerous photos of meteorite-wrong. One dealer wish purchase it... "just for the nice aspect of this meteorite wrong"...mc Ok, 20% of people don't say what's it. I'm observed that the majority of desert hunters don't say that's or that's not meteorite: just interesting stone. And 10% people ( mainly collectors) think that's a meteorite. From very old chondrite to... lunar...It's crazy... 100% of collectors and dealers of meteorites are in doubt. (also me during 2 months). I'm received today a preliminary study based on the oxygen: ME08 IS A METEORITE I'm my own idea about the possible class. Sorry Bernd, it's not a lunar :-) , it's not a chondrite, not martian, and it's not ureilite. It's other known type. I don't say more information, and prefer wait next results Best regards, Vincent Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp.__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ME08...
Hello, I'm posted 3 weeks ago some photos with a black stone found in south of Sahara during a travel. I'm received more than 70 responses. I thank you for your ideas!! For 70 % of people (numerous dealers and collectors), this black stone isn't meteorite. What's? Ventifact was the major idea. Also Jade and Dorite was very interesting ideas. Thank you for your numerous photos of meteorite-wrong. One dealer wish purchase it... "just for the nice aspect of this meteorite wrong"...mc Ok, 20% of people don't say what's it. I'm observed that the majority of desert hunters don't say that's or that's not meteorite: just interesting stone. And 10% people ( mainly collectors) think that's a meteorite. From very old chondrite to... lunar...It's crazy... 100% of collectors and dealers of meteorites are in doubt. (also me during 2 months). I'm received today a preliminary study based on the oxygen: ME08 IS A METEORITE I'm my own idea about the possible class. Sorry Bernd, it's not a lunar :-) , it's not a chondrite, not martian, and it's not ureilite. It's other known type. I don't say more information, and prefer wait next results Best regards, Vincent Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement à l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Better Day for Everyone
List members may recall that last week I publicly renounced Ron Baalke. I am not a subtle person by nature and it was a harsh act of finality. Ron took the time to write me a note explaining his intent. I am satisfied with his explanation. I am again reminded of the wisdom of waiting 24 hours before venting. The true victims of my angst are the good people of this list who are not entertained by anger but are here, like me, only to seek information about meteorites. My apologies to them. Meanwhile, Ron and I are again working together behind the scenes to find perfect words for the very important NASA website he administers to describe the realities surrounding the story of the "Nakhla dog". Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CONTOUR Spacecraft Shipped to Goddard for Prelaunch Testing
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory Office of Communications and Public Affairs Laurel, Maryland Images to accompany this release are posted on the APL Web site: http://www.jhuapl.edu/public/pr/020129.htm For Immediate Release January 29, 2001 Media Contact: Michael Buckley (240) 228-7536 or (443) 778-7536 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONTOUR Spacecraft Shipped to Goddard for Prelaunch Testing; Comet-Study Mission Reaches Milestone on Way to July 2002 Launch The spacecraft set to provide the closest look ever at a comet nucleus was shipped today from The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland - where it was designed and built - to NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, for its next round of prelaunch testing. Scheduled to launch July 1 from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida, the Comet Nucleus Tour (CONTOUR) spacecraft spent the past 10 days in an APL vibration test lab, where engineers checked the structural integrity of the eight-sided, 6-by-6 foot craft aboard a large shake table. "The vibration tests at APL went very well," says CONTOUR Project Manager Mary C. Chiu of the Applied Physics Lab. "The spacecraft is in great shape and we're ready to move on to the next stage." At Goddard the spacecraft will undergo spin tests; acoustic tests, designed to simulate the noise-induced vibrations of launch; and thermal vacuum tests, which replicate the harsh conditions of deep space. In late April, CONTOUR will be transported to Kennedy Space Center/Cape Canaveral and prepared for launch aboard a three-stage, Boeing Delta II launch vehicle. "By the time CONTOUR launches it will have been thoroughly tested," says Michael J. Colby, CONTOUR lead integration and test engineer at APL. "You have to be extremely confident that the spacecraft will be OK when it's mounted on that Delta." After launch, the solar-powered CONTOUR will visit at least two comets as they travel through the inner solar system. From as close as 60 miles (100 kilometers), the spacecraft will take the most detailed pictures ever of a comet's nucleus; map the types of rock and ice on the nucleus; and analyze the composition of the surrounding gas and dust. CONTOUR's targets include comet Encke in November 2003 and Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 in June 2006, though the spacecraft can also be sent toward an as-yet-undiscovered comet. The data will provide clues into the similarities and differences between comets. CONTOUR is the next launch in NASA's Discovery Program of low-cost, scientifically focused missions. The Applied Physics Laboratory manages the mission for NASA and will operate the spacecraft. Dr. Joseph I. Veverka of Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, is CONTOUR's principal investigator and heads a science team of experts from institutions around the globe. APL, Goddard Space Flight Center and von Hoerner & Sulger, Schwetzingen, Germany, built CONTOUR's scientific instruments; NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California, will provide navigation support. For more information on CONTOUR, visit http://www.contour2002.org. For more information on NASA's Discovery Program, visit http://discovery.nasa.gov. The Applied Physics Laboratory, a division of The Johns Hopkins University, meets critical national challenges through the innovative application of science and technology. For more information, visit http://www.jhuapl.edu . ### __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moonbeam Meteorites
Does anyone know if Moonbeam Meteorites (aka Martin & Judy Holt) will be at the show this year? Jeanne
[meteorite-list] Farmer/Bessey/Casper
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[meteorite-list] Five Martian Meteorites Identified
http://www.astronomy.com/Content/Dynamic/Articles/000/000/000/738mgdfw.asp
Five Martian Meteorites Identified
Some rocks found in Earth's hot and cold regions originally came from Mars.
by Vanessa Thomas
astronomy.com
January 29, 2002
Meteorite hunters have discovered five more Mars rocks on Earth, bringing
the total number of known martian meteorites to 24.
Several teams of Japanese, Chinese, and French researchers will discuss the
finds at the March 2002 Lunar and Planetary Science Conference near Houston,
Texas. Research team members and other meteorite hunters spotted the pieces
of Mars in the frigid ice of the Antarctic and in the hot sands of Africa's
Sahara desert.
The teams actually discovered many new rocks, but some were located near
each other and are so similar that the scientists believe they are pieces of
the same meteorites. One of two matching pieces is the second-largest
martian meteorite found so far. (The largest is the Zagami meteorite which
landed about 10 feet away from a Nigerian farmer who was chasing crows from
his corn field on an October afternoon in 1962.) Called Y000593, Japanese
researchers found the 13.7-kilogram (30.2-pound) space rock in a bare ice
field near Antarctica's Yamato Mountains in late November 2000. A few days
later, they found a second 1.3-kg (2.8-lb) meteorite - Y000749 - nearby.
Both have a greenish interior and an outer ("fusion") crust blackened while
falling through Earth's atmosphere.
Two other meteorites were found in Antarctica. A second Japanese team
reports that the 55-gram (1.9-ounce) meteorite they call YA1075 is nearly
completely stony with a dark green interior and a shiny, black fusion crust.
A Chinese expedition discovered GRV9927 near Grove Hill and describe the
9.97-g (0.4-oz) rock as being partially covered with a black fusion crust
and having a rounded triangular cone shape with thin, clear sections and
brown crystals.
In the Saharan sands of Morocco, French meteorite hunters recovered several
pieces of rock totaling 654 g (about 1.4 lbs) which scientists believe are
all part of one meteorite. Called NWA 1068 (or sometimes "Louise Michel"),
the meteorite is greenish-brown with no fusion crust, containing fine
grains and large crystals with volcanic inclusions.
The fifth meteorite, called Dhofar 378, was uncovered in Oman. A third
Japanese team reports that the 15-g (0.5-oz) rock contains a type of glass
that was likely formed by the shock of a large impact.
After examining the content of the rocks, the various research teams
realized that all the samples belong to a category called SNC meteorites, a
group of space rocks believed to have been blasted from Mars. The
shergottites, nakhlites, and chassignites are named after the first martian
meteorites discovered: Shergotty, Nakhla, and Chassigny found in 1865, 1911,
and 1815, respectively.
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: AGING NASA SPACECRAFT TO REENTER EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE
A classic meteor-wrong. Kevin Kichinka --- Begin Message --- Dolores Beasley Headquarters, WashingtonJan. 29, 2002 (Phone: 202/358-1753) Nancy Neal Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. (Phone: 301/286-0039) RELEASE: 02-16 AGING NASA SPACECRAFT TO REENTER EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE Engineers at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., predict a 7,000-pound spacecraft could re- enter the Earth's atmosphere as early as 10 p.m. EST on Jan. 30 or as late as 7 a.m. EST on Jan. 31. NASA's Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer (EUVE) is currently 200 kilometers (124 miles) above the Earth with a descent rate of 25 kilometers (15.5 miles) a day. The estimated debris field is expected to be 800 to 1,000 kilometers (500-625 miles). "The probability of the few EUVE surviving pieces falling into a populated area and hurting someone is very small. It is more likely that the small pieces will fall into the ocean or fall harmlessly to the ground," said Ronald E. Mahmot, Project Manager for Space Science Mission Operations at Goddard. Unlike the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, which was safely de-orbited June 4, 2000, EUVE does not have an on-board propulsion system to allow engineers to control its re-entry. Much of EUVE will burn up in the atmosphere before ever reaching the ground. However, estimates show that up to nine objects ranging from approximately four to 100 pounds may survive re-entry. Much of this debris is made of titanium and stainless steel. EUVE will start to break up when it falls to within 80 kilometers (50 miles) of the Earth. At this point, EUVE will have only four or five 90-minute orbits left before re- entering the Earth's atmosphere. Engineers will not know the re-entry point until approximately 12 hours prior to impact. EUVE is in a 28.5-degree orbit and could re-enter in any location within this orbit range. This ranges includes areas as far north as Orlando, Fla., and as far south as Brisbane, Australia. EUVE was launched on June 7, 1992. Science operations ended for the spacecraft in December 2001. During its early years, EUVE was operated from Goddard. In 1997, control of EUVE was transitioned from Goddard to the University of California, Berkeley and remained there until the program's termination in 2001. Slated for only three years, EUVE was operational for eight. NASA twice extended its scientific mission. During its eight years in orbit, EUVE successfully opened a new window on the cosmos and helped to bridge the gap in our understanding of the extreme ultraviolet spectrum. Rather than seeing about 24 nearby objects as many predicted, EUVE observed more than 1,000 nearby sources, including more than three dozen objects outside our galaxy. Additional background information about EUVE is available on the Internet at: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/euve/euve.html -end- * * * NASA press releases and other information are available automatically by sending an Internet electronic mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message (not the subject line) users should type the words "subscribe press-release" (no quotes). The system will reply with a confirmation via E-mail of each subscription. A second automatic message will include additional information on the service. NASA releases also are available via CompuServe using the command GO NASA. To unsubscribe from this mailing list, address an E-mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], leave the subject blank, and type only "unsubscribe press-release" (no quotes) in the body of the message. --- End Message ---
[meteorite-list] EUVE Spacecraft To Reenter Earth's Atmosphere
In case there are any fireball sightings on Jan 30 or 31, keep this article in mind. Also, note the large size of the expected debris field: 800 to 1000 kilometers. Ron Baalke - Dolores Beasley Headquarters, WashingtonJan. 29, 2002 (Phone: 202/358-1753) Nancy Neal Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. (Phone: 301/286-0039) RELEASE: 02-16 AGING NASA SPACECRAFT TO REENTER EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE Engineers at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., predict a 7,000-pound spacecraft could re- enter the Earth's atmosphere as early as 10 p.m. EST on Jan. 30 or as late as 7 a.m. EST on Jan. 31. NASA's Extreme Ultraviolet Explorer (EUVE) is currently 200 kilometers (124 miles) above the Earth with a descent rate of 25 kilometers (15.5 miles) a day. The estimated debris field is expected to be 800 to 1,000 kilometers (500-625 miles). "The probability of the few EUVE surviving pieces falling into a populated area and hurting someone is very small. It is more likely that the small pieces will fall into the ocean or fall harmlessly to the ground," said Ronald E. Mahmot, Project Manager for Space Science Mission Operations at Goddard. Unlike the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, which was safely de-orbited June 4, 2000, EUVE does not have an on-board propulsion system to allow engineers to control its re-entry. Much of EUVE will burn up in the atmosphere before ever reaching the ground. However, estimates show that up to nine objects ranging from approximately four to 100 pounds may survive re-entry. Much of this debris is made of titanium and stainless steel. EUVE will start to break up when it falls to within 80 kilometers (50 miles) of the Earth. At this point, EUVE will have only four or five 90-minute orbits left before re- entering the Earth's atmosphere. Engineers will not know the re-entry point until approximately 12 hours prior to impact. EUVE is in a 28.5-degree orbit and could re-enter in any location within this orbit range. This ranges includes areas as far north as Orlando, Fla., and as far south as Brisbane, Australia. EUVE was launched on June 7, 1992. Science operations ended for the spacecraft in December 2001. During its early years, EUVE was operated from Goddard. In 1997, control of EUVE was transitioned from Goddard to the University of California, Berkeley and remained there until the program's termination in 2001. Slated for only three years, EUVE was operational for eight. NASA twice extended its scientific mission. During its eight years in orbit, EUVE successfully opened a new window on the cosmos and helped to bridge the gap in our understanding of the extreme ultraviolet spectrum. Rather than seeing about 24 nearby objects as many predicted, EUVE observed more than 1,000 nearby sources, including more than three dozen objects outside our galaxy. Additional background information about EUVE is available on the Internet at: http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/euve/euve.html -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cheap lodging in Tucson
Hello all, Unfortunately I will have to experience Tucson from afar this year. But I want to pass along a place I stayed at last year that was a wonderful bargain and a nice way to experience the fantastic desert environment. My first night was spent in the Rodeway Inn for a mere $99 ;-). As I lay in bed listening to traffic I vowed it would be my last night for that price. In the morning I contacted the kind folks at Gilbert Ray Campgrounds in Tucson Mountain Park (about 20 minutes from downtown Tucson just off Gates Pass Road). For $7 a night I got a quiet campsite near some very pretty hiking trails. My time at Gilbert Ray was at least as memorable as the show itself. The sky was dark, the stars spectacular. The only catch is that you cannot reserve a camp site on the phone. You have to be there in the morning when they open (they open about 8 or 9 a.m. as I recall) and ask for a spot in person. The good news is that you can have that spot for a number of days without needing to renew. When I went it was no problem -- there were a bunch of openings. The modest campground is run by a couple of the friendliest people I met. And the people in camp -- some tent campers like myself, others with RVs -- were quiet at night. I wish I could give you the phone number but I can't find it in all the stuff I brought back. Just call the Tucson Chamber of Commerce or directory assistance. Happy lodgings! Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay Auctions Ended at few hours
Hello all At few hours ended my first ebay auctions http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ yes SaU 008 SNC for $500/gr. ...no $90/gr. ;-) Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Dealers List 2002
Hi Folks, I think this is a good final list for the Tucson show. If anyone knows of any other info, let me know in the next day or two and I'll get another list out. I hope everyone has a blast, David Hardy Tucson Dealers List Notkin/Arnold Birthday Party Sat. 2/9 @ 8:00pm Auction M. Blood @ Tucson Jr. Chamber of Commerce Bldg. on E. Ft. Lowell on 2/8 at 7:00pm. Auction The Macovich COllection InnSuites/ Poolside 2/10 Inn Suites 105 Bruno & Carine 122 Marvin Killgore/ SW Meteorite 162 Dean Bessey 182 Bruno & Carine 309 Meteorites, Minerals, and Fossils 316 Labenne Meteorites 404 Darryl Pitt (Macovich Collection) 404 Steve Schoner Ramada Inn University 110 Blaine Reed 110 Mike Martinez/ MARE Meteorites 110 Al Mitterling email for cell # 180 Meteorites.com Best Western Executive Inn 130Allan Lang 130Cosmic Matter 234Meteorite Caravan 246Larrylan 268Chinese Meteorites and Tektites Four Points Hotel 117 Erich (Cosmic Highway) Booth 7&8 Magic Mountain Main Ent. Tent #7 Paul Liu (Great Wall) Tucson Convention Center S-5Mineralogical Research Co. Moving Around Matt Morgan cell # 303 229-8462 Jim Strope mostly Blaine Reeds room cell # 304-639-7366 Mike Farmer cell # 520 360-0818 Michael Cottingham Rob Elliot Ron/Jim Hartman Eric Olson (ELKK) Anne Black (Impactika) usually w/ the Carions cell #303-503-9496 Fred Hall John Sinclair John Gwilliam Jake Delgaudio usually with Al Lang Steve Arnold email for cell # Dirk Ross John Gwilliam Cell # 602-509-4343 Greg Frazier Steve Smith Tim Heitz Mike & Bill Jensen __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite
This is great stuff, Dean you have been drinking. Bring it on, you talk here like you have lots of dirty information? Show is. NWA 482 for $900 gram! Lets see it, I am buying! Illegal meteorites, show me the proof, or are you just talking out of your other end. Show me, how do you know what papers I have or do not have eh? You pretend to know everything, run in with the police? That is news to me. It would have been fin but never happend. Enemies in Morocco? I dont htink so, Ive been there 13 times and never been hassled yet. The moon rock? It is paid for, the seller got many thousands in Commisions from both I and Jim. What he did with it is not my concern. You know Amouri, he drank for months, not my problem. You say in your email that I never broke any laws, then why do you say I illegally export meteorites? Get your statements correct, then post them. Dean, I have NOTHING to hide, so I welcome any and I mean ANY information you wish to place here. I never attacked Bruno, we had arguments, but we resolved them in person in Europe. We are not the best of friends but we see that all are entitled to success or failure in this business. I leave him alone, he leave me alone. No problems any more. Dean, I do not care what you do, I just dont like your postings that say crap like "there isnt any more" "I have it all" ETC ETC ETC. When I was just there and I know otherwise. See ya in Tucson and patiently waiting some more "Dirty" goods on myself here. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: dean bessey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Moroccan CR2 meteorite I guess that we are going to regularly get exposed to the Mike Farmer Pre Tucson freak show every year now as he attacks other dealers buying NWA meteorites. I guess that it will be a Tucson ritual from now on. I would like to refer everybody to last years list archaives where he started attacking Bruno and accusing him somehow interfering with his meteorite buying (Although nobody has actually figured out how Bruno was doing this). Looks like you had a problem at the airport once with your meteorites and accused Bruno of causing problems for you with customs (Its in the list archaives - go find them). Bruno was quite happy tp point out how to get the export permits needed to legally export meteorites from Morocco. Unlike you, most other people like Bruno are helpful. He willingly pointed out to you what most sane business people would have done and did research on the local laws where he was doing business before he lined up "investors". For everybodys information Morocco has meteorite export laws. You need an export permit to export meteorites from morocco. It is a day and a half process at the moroccan ministry of mines to get one. But you never ever got one did you? Thats right every one of your customers that you have sold NWA meteorites to has an illegal meteorite. EVERY SINGLE METEORITE FROM NWA THAT YOU HAVE SOLD TO YOUR CUSTOMERS WAS ILLEGALLY EXPORTED. They are in the same catagory as if you found some Tagish Lake in your search in Canada and illegally carried it out and sold it.You know its true. You dont have export permits and that you have sold all of your customers illegal meteorites. Likely you wont have the moroccan government coming after you with the H5s but with the rare stuff like your lunar you just had better hope that your customers dont get exposed to some future US government agreement with the moroccans to return all illegal meteorites (Dont think that this is not a possibility - the US government is quite willing to confiscate and return illegally exported artifacts from certain latin american countries that they have agreements with to do so). But lets talk about the Lunar a little more. How happy is the person who you bought it from? You had a little run in with the police last week in Morocco didnt you? You never broke any law I guess as you didnt end up in jail but your past dealings in morocco have gotten you some bad enemies in Morocco. Any some will try to cause legal problems for you. I dont know if they are justified or not but you seem to have had some bad business dealings and when you were recently in morocco got some personal threats from people that you bought meteorites from in the past didnt you farmer. You can bet that they would cause you more trouble if they could. Your investors just had better hope that nobody in morocco tips off the customs people that you illegally export meteorites and get them all confiscated on you. I doubt that you have money to pay all of your investors back. Just goes to show how you treat the people that you deal with over there and how happy they are. Maybe let the buyers of your Lunar know exactly how the moroccans like your ha
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions...
At this point, I am embarrased by Michael Casper's comments and actions. I want any scientists and people of meteorites that are in this for the science to understand that Michael in no way represents or is typical of any meteorite dealer. I should never even have responded to his juvenile comments. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Michael Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > You got it. That's the beauty of the internet and lists. This line of > poppycock is over, > get it, over. Find yourself another playmate or do something else. I've had > my fun. > I'm not playing anymore. Now stop it. If you get in my way I'll huff and > I'll puff > and barf all over you! Now git! git goin! > > MC > > > - Original Message - > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:26 AM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > Yeah, walk away without answering the questions. You're a pretty powerful > > guy when no one is in your way. Get some solid resistance going against > you > > and you run and hide. Again, why do you do this? Come on Mikey, just > > answer the questions. > > > > Rhett Bourland > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > > Casper > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: Meteorite List > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > > > Okay... whatever I gotta go I'm leaving the sandbox, it's been > > a great day. I want to thank all the partisipants. I love you all. > > > > nite, xoxox, MC > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:13 AM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > > > > Hey man, I just call'em as I see'em. You're not the only person I've > > called > > > out on this list and I'm sure you won't be the last. Then again, just > > about > > > everyone I've called out I've also supported even more so as well. > Don't > > > forget the times I corresponded with you trying to figure out who was > > > sending you threatening emails. That really showed how much I'm out to > > get > > > you. > > > Like I said, you'd give us some rationalization where you'd talk about > how > > > much money you had and I was right. Is that all you base your life on? > > > You're right, I don't really have too much money to part with right now > > but > > > hey, I get by alright and am actually pretty happy at this point in my > > life. > > > I've got relatively good health (minus the diabetes and poor eyesite), > > > loving and beautiful wife, the cutest little kid in the world who I just > > > have so much fun with, good friends, and some really cool rocks from > > space. > > > What else do I need? > > > You never did answer my questions. Why do you continue to continue to > post > > > to this list to just prove how big of a fool you are? How does putting > > > what's left of your collection help your COIN sales? Also, if you have > so > > > much NWA 482 for sale at such a wonderful price then let's see it. Put > > some > > > up on eBay. You certainly seem to know how to run auctions on there. I > > > have to admit I was rather disappointed when you sold your stuff off > > because > > > I thought you had one of the best looking websites out there and I still > > > miss going to it. Besides, if its as good of a deal as you say it is > I'm > > > > > sure you won't have any problems selling it now will you? > > > Come on Mikey, answer my questions. > > > Rhett Bourland > > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:54 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: Meteorite List > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > > > > > > Well, I see that you got it in for me. It's a funny thing. We know > that > > > you don't have a flippin dime to part with. Now that's not a bad thing. > > > However when you must attack me because I am succesful and you are not > > makes > > > no sense to me. It is a fact of life the I sold 90% of mt inventory at > the > > > TOP of the market. Within a month of my final sale the meteorite market > > > FELL. Dop you really think that I don't know what's going on??? ALL the
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar vs. Owl's Wit
BRAVO! Bernd...Bravo. I am personally sick of all this bickering about the price of this or the availability of that. Seems like the combatants should meet in a cage match in Tucson and decide the outcomeIf they are going to bicker like the losers in the WWF then maybe they should just start painting their faces, dressing in tights and pretend to beat the hell out of each other like they do on TV. It sure would be more entertaining than reading this childish pissing match. Can we just get on with the normal course of business on the list and quit worrying about this nonsense? I was going to ride the 2 hours down to Tucson to see the show.I am not sure if it is going to be worth it nowthis just seems so silly. I once asked this list if meteorites were a worthwhile investment for people who were tired of the stock market and had money to burn. Almost EVERYONE at that time said NO, the price fluctuates, the supply is limited and that it just wasn't a good idea. I bought 400 grams of Brahin from Ivan when it was a deal to get it around $3-4 a gram. I sold some of itI also have half of it sitting hereI haven't yelled or complained to or about IVAN as he routinely dumps specimens on ebay for less than a dollar. I know that someday it will go upmaybe not. Seems to me if you spend a dollar on a meteorite, you may make more, you may make less, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER INVESTMENT. I do not think that anyone cares what anyone says the price should be on any particular meteorite, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PAY TOO MUCH THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. My wife and I sell collectibles on Ebay, we routinely have bidders pay way too much for items and we routinely buy items that barely make any money when they should sell for hundreds. That my friends is free market and capitalism at its best. Do we tell those people that pay too much for an item that they didOF COURSE NOT, do we whine when we lose our ass on an itemOF COURSE NOT. I guess I am rambling and I apologize. It just seems to me that everyone should realize that we will not all always agree. If someone wants to say that something should cost more...so be it. If someone wants to say that there are none of a particular specimen left...so be it. Please lets just get on with the regular business of the list. Thanks for reading this farif it doesn't make any sense, I apologize, but at least it is consistent with what has been here lately. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian vs. Lunar vs. Owl's Wit > The Owl Who Was God (by James Thurber) > > Once upon a starless midnight there was an owl who sat on the branch of > an oak tree. Two ground moles tried to slip quietly by, unnoticed. > 'You!' said the owl. 'Who?' they quavered, in fear and astonishment, for > they could not believe it was possible for anyone to see them in that > thick darkness. 'You two!' said the owl. The moles hurried away and told > the other creatures of the field and forest that the owl was the > greatest and wisest of all animals because he could see in the dark and > because he could answer any question. 'I'll see about that,' said a > secretary bird, and he called on the owl one night when it was again > very dark. 'How many claws am I holding up?' said the secretary bird. > 'Two,' said the owl, and that was right. 'Can you give me another > expression for "that is to say" or "namely"?' asked the secretary bird. > 'To wit,' said the owl. 'Why does a lover call on his love?' asked the > secretary bird. 'To woo,' said the owl. > The secretary bird hastened back to the other creatures and reported > that the owl was indeed the greatest and wisest animal in the world > because he could see in the dark and because he could answer any > question. 'Can he see in the daytime, too?' asked a red fox. 'Yes,' > echoed a dormouse and a French poodle. 'Can he see in the daytime, too?' > All the other creatures laughed loudly at this silly question, and they > set upon the red fox and his friends and drove them out of the region. > Then they sent a messenger to the owl and asked him to be their leader. > When the owl appeared among the animals it was high noon and the sun was > shining brightly. He walked very slowly, which gave him an appearance of > great dignity, and he peered about him with large, staring eyes, which > gave him an air of tremendous importance. 'He's God!' screamed a > Plymouth Rock hen. And the others took up the cry, 'He's God!' So they > followed him wherever he went and when he began to bump into things they > began to bump into things, too. Finally he came to a concrete highway > and he started up the middle of it and all the other creatures followed > him. Presently a hawk, who was acting as outrider, observed a truck > coming toward them at fifty miles an hour, and he reported to the > secretary bir
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions...
Dear Mikey, You'll do what? Answer my questions? Really, I've not seen that so far. Bilanga is exactly as I stated. You were blasting Farmer for having high prices on Bilanga and bragging that you had a bunch of small pieces for way less. I emailed you off list saying I wanted some and you said you didn't have any. I couldn't care less what kind of a deal you give me Mikey. If you can get such wonderful deals on stuff like you say you can then let's see it. Why don't you put some NWA 482 up on eBay for everyone to see? Also, why don't you answer the question of why you continue to continue to post on this list and give us all more proof that you're a fool Mikey? And exactly how does running your ridiculous METEORITE auction help your COIN business? Come on Mikey, answer the questions. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... OK, I'll do that since you're such a big baby. Now what's this about the Bilanga? I had the main mass of Bilanga. Farmer ahd Haag were flying to Africa and my 20kgs was on a plane passing them on it merry way to me. You didn't get any cause you didn't come up with the MONEY! And stop calling me Mikey! It's Mr. Casper for you. Now if youe a good little fella and apologise to Mr. Casper, maybe, just maybe I'll let you in on a real good deal...Don't ever say that I didn't give you a chance Now let's have it. First call me Mr. Casper, and then apologise. It all better sound very convincing or the deal's off. MC - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:47 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > No, I refuse to stop it or get over it. You come on here blowing your mouth > off repeatedly so you can show just exactly how big of a fool you really are > and then get upset that someone actually calls you out on it. If you're > going to keep replying to this thread then why don't you answer the > questions that I've been asking all day long? Why do you continue to > continue to post > to this list to just prove how big of a fool you are? Why don't you put > some of your oh so worthless NWA 482 up on eBay so all of us can get these > incredible deals you're always talking about? Come on Mikey, why don't you > answer the questions? Just do it and I'll stop. > Remember, you're the one that started all this. Now you're trying to act > like the saint by dropping it? Sorry man, doesn't work that way. Come on > Mikey, just answer the questions. That's all I'm asking. Why do you > continue to do this and if you've got such incredible deals on NWA 482 like > you say you do why don't you put some up for sale for all of us to see. Not > just saying you do like when you lied about Bilanga but something that > actually counts like eBay. Why don't you answer the questions? > > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > You got it. That's the beauty of the internet and lists. This line of > poppycock is over, > get it, over. Find yourself another playmate or do something else. I've had > my fun. > I'm not playing anymore. Now stop it. If you get in my way I'll huff and > I'll puff > and barf all over you! Now git! git goin! > > MC > > > - Original Message - > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:26 AM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > Yeah, walk away without answering the questions. You're a pretty powerful > > guy when no one is in your way. Get some solid resistance going against > you > > and you run and hide. Again, why do you do this? Come on Mikey, just > > answer the questions. > > > > Rhett Bourland > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > > Casper > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:20 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: Meteorite List > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Hey, I won two of your auctions... > > > > > > Okay... whatever I gotta go I'm leaving the sandbox, it's been > > a great day. I want to thank all the partisipants. I love you all. > > > > nite
Re: [meteorite-list] 2002 Tucson Show Information Page - Dealers & List Members
Dear List and Michael; Here's the link to the old or maybe even current list. I visited it yesterday and noticed that many of the dealers had a business link but did not have a location to find them at the show. Would anyone have a link to a Tucson city map that could be down loaded and printed for the folks like me who haven't been to Tucson in 30 years?Link has written directions to meteorite events but a map, like a picture, would "speak thousands of words". www.meteorite.com/tucson.htm See you there in about a week, Dave Freeman 307-354-7912 Paul Harris wrote: >Thanks Dave! > >Hope to see you there! > >Paul and Jim > >At 05:33 PM 1/12/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >>I will be at Tucson show from 8th. through 10th. Will attend Mblood >>auction. cell number is 307-354-7912 Hope to meet all that I can, >>I will be wearing the white sweatshirt with logo and number 3863, >>Best save travel to all, >>Dave Freeman >> >>Paul Harris wrote: >> >>>Greetings All! >>> >>>It's that time of year again when we start our Tucson Show information page. >>> >>>http://www.meteorite.com/tucson.htm >>> >>>Darryl and Michael: Please furnish your Auction information - Thank you!! >>> >>>Dealers with rooms: >>>=== >>>Please send us your show plans including: Location, Dates, Phone, Fax, etc. >>>so we can post. >>> >>> >>>Dealers and List members: >>>= >>>If you want to list how people can contact you at the show please send us >>>your info. Cell Phone, etc. >>> >>>Thank you to all and we hope to see you there! >>> >>>Paul and Jim >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com >>> PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA >>> FAX Number(310) 316-1032 >>> >>> >>> >>>__ >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> >> > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON
Michael Blood wrote: >Hay all, > Who was making a list of the rooms for all the dealers? Did that ever >get as "complete" as the 2001 roster? Where can we see it? > Thanks, Michael > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Book Review - Part 1
Hello Everybody I have been slowly...really slow this last two weeks pushing things for Tuscon...working on a meteorite website I will someday have up. Meteoritecollection.com. One of the things I have been writing up is meteorite book reviews. Here is an example of two of them. Thought the list could use a little change of subject from the flood our boxes have recieved lately:-) I plan to have weight, size, key photos listings, IBSN numbers, dust jacket comments as well as my own. All the information you always see on books...plus several lines that may be of help. I look foward to seeing Carion's and Norton's new book and will provide reviews for them shortly after Tuscon. See everybodyokay part of youin Tuscon next week! Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" Meteorites: A Photographic Study of Surface Features Part 1. Shapes (c) 1977 Arizona University. Harvey H. Nininger. 148pgs. Paperbound, water damaged From the foreword inside by Carleton B. Moore, Center of Meteorite Studies: "Throughout a lifetime of meteorite investigation, Dr. H.H. Nininger has built up not only a large store of knowledge about meteorites, but a large file of meteorite pitchures. He has brought these pictures together in order to illustate the features of meteorites needed to find new meteorites in the field and to provide interested meteoriticist with a source of information on meteorite shapes, fusion crusts, pitting and furrowing,orientation, weathering, sizes and impact effects. Such information has not been collectd in one source and some has never been published before" Mark Bostick's comments: Nininger studied surface features of meteorites for many years and had a display on the topic at the American Meteorite Musuem in Arizonia. Before Nininger this topic was for the most part overlooked in meteorite study. This book features literally hundreds of meteorites photos. From plow marks to weathering. Each photo also has a Nininger writeup describing the meteorites shape. An example of this as follows, from page 81 of the book. "Ottawa, Kansas. An amphoterite which was the only recovery from a fall witnessed in 1896. It shows a well-developed crust with two breaks and numerous contraction cracks and incipient pitting. It also shows clear evidence of being a fragment from a large parental mass." All Nininger books are must reads if possible (Note: I am Nininger bias..:) The first book of a two book set. Space Rocks and Buffalo Grass by Ellis L. Peck, Softbound, 116 pages, (c) 1979, second print 1987, Peach Enterprises, Libary of Congress Catalog Card No. : 79-88136 Book Measures: 10 15/16" x 8 3/8" x 5/16" or 212mm x 279mm x 9mm Book Weighs: 378 grams or 13.3 oz. Photos include: Brenham Meteorite whole speciman at the Field Museum of Natural History, Chicago (page 59), Brenham Meteorite Slice at the American Museum of Natural History, New York (page 59), Brenham meteorite specimans found on the alter of an ancient indian burial mound in Ohio (page 65), Three photos featuring excavating the crater with Harvey Nininger (pages 88 and 89), Nininger with son and Brenham meteorites recovered from Crater (page 91), Raising the largest Brenham speciman in 1949 (page 101), H.O. Stockwell with his 1,000 pound meteorite he discovered, Two Brenham Meteorites slices at the American Meteorite Laboratory in Denver, Colorado (page 107), Brenham Meteorite slice at the Smithsonian Institution (page 108), Brenham Meteorite slice at the Cranbrook Institute of Sciencesm Bloomfield Hills, Michigan (page 108). Mark Bostick's comments: All your ever wanted to know about the Brenham pallasite and more. This book features two stories. The modern story of the meteorite complete with economical and social impact of the find and a made up story of a Native tribe when the meteorite fell. Book interweaves between the two storys. Nicely put together and very well researched make this a great read. The writers personal knowledge of the Kansas area bleeds through the pages. Lots of photos and illustrations.
[meteorite-list] Somewhat interesting and quirky beginner meteor-wrong story!
Here's a "somewhat" interesting story of my own little meteor-wrong! A few months back I heard something quite small and hard hit my house roof, which is tin so it was pretty obvious. I suspected it may have been a cherry-pip that a bird had dropped from a nearby orchard. Turns out that's exactly what it was!!! Only, when I was up there getting my extraordinarily rare meteorite in the new classification, 'cherrypipite'; I actually found around 5-10 very small, dark brown-black stones. This intrigued me as they didn't seem to fit into the surounding geology. Although I was 99% sure they were not of meteoritic origin, I decided to email an expert. He thought as I did; that a bird had also probably dropped them onto the roof!!! They were some form of everyday common 'Buckshot gravel'. (Largely composed of iron oxides. Typically the mineral maghemite is present making them strongly magnetic.) When I went and had a closer look at the surrounding ground, I was able to find some of this material. But it probably only make up around 0.1% (if that) of the surface stones. So how is it that these less common stones were the only type on the roof??? WELL! My Theory! Some birds actually swallow small stones to aid in their digestion. All these Buckshot gravel stones (both roof and on the ground) are a similar small size, quite rounded with no sharp edges and their very dark colour stands out against the other pale clay-based rocks. I believe these birds have learnt to go for these tasty little buckshots!!! Has anyone else ever heard of this or know anything about it? Hope this has provided a bit of light refreshment from some of the current postings and if anyone else has a funny or quirky story about meteorite related stuff, I'm sure quite a few on the list wouldn't mind hearing it! After all; that's what it's all about! Have fun, Jeff K. http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON
Hay all, Who was making a list of the rooms for all the dealers? Did that ever get as "complete" as the 2001 roster? Where can we see it? Thanks, Michael -- It is only possible to live happily ever after on a day-to-day basis. ... Margaret Bonnano -- Worth Seeing (Earth at night from satalite): http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
