[meteorite-list] Re: [COMETS] Tucson Pictures

2002-02-18 Thread Ginger Mayfield

Anne,

Thanks so much for posting your Tucson pics.  I've been
waiting for them and really enjoyed seeing everyone and some
beautiful rocks from space as well.  Hope to make it there
myself one of these years.  Until then, I'm glad Denver is
just up the road for me for the Denver Show in September.

Ginger  


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> My pictures of the Tucson 2002 Show are ready for your viewing pleasure!!
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>click on "Tucson 2002"
> 
> I only wish Yahoo will leave enough room to list the names of all the people,
> but that would require a lot of room.  :-)
> 
> Next: Inventory of all the nice pieces I brought back (almost done!)
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> Any questions or comments, just let me know.
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Pictures

2002-02-18 Thread Impactika
Hello Everybody,

My pictures of the Tucson 2002 Show are ready for your viewing pleasure!!
Just go to  http://photos.yahoo.com/impactika   and click on "Tucson 2002"

I only wish Yahoo will leave enough room to list the names of all the people, but that would require a lot of room.  :-)

Next: Inventory of all the nice pieces I brought back (almost done!)

Any questions or comments, just let me know.

Anne Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mongolia -Gobi Desert

2002-02-18 Thread Paul Dudley

Don't get your hopes up.  Mongolia doesn't allow exporting of any rocks or
natural materials.  When we visited there they even confiscated a small bag
of Gobi Desert dune sand that my wife had collected.

Perhaps they would make exceptions with the proper permits, etc., but from
what I have heard, they are still very strict.  Sometimes they allow museums
to remove materials for study, but they are still considered the property of
the Mongolian people, and it must eventually be returned.

I don't know if they have a formal meteorite policy, however.  Maybe they
would see the export of meteorites as a revenue source.   I suspect China
would be a better bet than Mongolia.
--Paul



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> One of the great deserts and semidesert regions of
> the world, the Gobi stretches across Central Asia over
> large areas of Mongolia and China. It occupies an arc
> of land 1,000 mi (1,609 km) long and 300-600 mi
> (500-1,000 km) wide, with an estimated area of 500,000
> sq mi (1,300,000 sq km). Since NWA and Oman are being
> hit hard for meteorites I contacted the US Embassy in
> Mongolia who will pursue their avenues to see if
> meteorites can be bought and exported from Mongolia.
> Let's see what turns up...
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About Time + Tucson 2002

2002-02-18 Thread MARK BOSTICK
  I was the 3rd son born 3 minutes to three in the morning in the 3rd month) March the sixth..darn it.  Guess I have to stop there.   Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"  - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About Time + Tucson 2002  I had a niece that was 9 on 09/09/99. Sorry, a little off topic. Dave   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About Time + Tucson 2002 In a message dated 2/17/2002 9:35:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As the clock ticks over from 8:01PM on Wednesday, February 20th, 2002, time will (for sixty seconds only) read in perfect symmetry. To be more precise: 20:02, 02/20, 2002. It is an event which has only ever happened once before, and is something which will never be repeated. The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical pattern was long before the days of the digital watch (or the 24-hour clock) at 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. And because the clock only goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again.That is so cool but so was my recent birthday 02/02/02   Something that I will never see again Bob


[meteorite-list] Is this a meteorite????

2002-02-18 Thread Rick Nowak


This was found in Wyandot County Ohio in May of 2001
and was sent to me by a John Ward.
The stone in question has NO magnet attraction. Due to
it’s oriented shape color and texture of other
meteorites I have seen I did not want to declare this
not a meteorite when in fact it could well be. Each
side of this stone is very smooth including the front
that has a nipple then a ring around the base of the
nipple.Their are no sharp cuts etc. The stone is no
bigger than a quarter yet weighs more than it should
for it’s size. He found the stone buried with ¾ of
it’s mass in the ground and just the end sticking out.
The problem is if I break this thing up I would
destroy it’s unique beauty. Since their would be no
metal inside a nickel test would be inclusive. If
anyone has any idea what this could be or where it can
be sent for testing let me know.Image avaible at 

http://206.25.226.2/~nickt/rmeteorpicture.htm

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[meteorite-list] Tucson pictures are up 18 pictures in all

2002-02-18 Thread Tim Heitz

Hello Everyone,

I just put up 18 pictures that I had taken in Tucson, it may take some
time to load but its worth the wait.
http://www.meteorman.org/Tucson_2002.htm



Best Regards,
Tim Heitz

Midwest Meteorites - http://www.meteorman.org/


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[meteorite-list] Basalt Meteorites

2002-02-18 Thread Rick Nowak

Are their any basalt metorites out their? Are their
any Leucite Basalt meteorites??? Tholeiite Basalt
Meteorites??? Potassium rich basalts???

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mongolia -Gobi Desert

2002-02-18 Thread Dave Mouat

It is probably a lot easier to get into the Chinese Gobi (it has a lower
elevation and you will find a little bit of English -- more than you'll
find in Mongolia).  You can take a train from Beijing to Baotou and
travel by many conveyences into the nearby dune areas.  There are a
number of quasi off limit areas such as the semi autonomous area of
Ningxia but the areas in No. Central China are worth exploring.  I've
been there twice and to my knowledge it is untouced land.
Dave

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> On Mon, 18 February 2002, Rick Nowak wrote
>
> >
> >  One of the great deserts and semidesert regions of
> > the world, the Gobi stretches across Central Asia over
> > large areas of Mongolia and China. It occupies an arc
> > of land 1,000 mi (1,609 km) long and 300-600 mi
> > (500-1,000 km) wide, with an estimated area of 500,000
> > sq mi (1,300,000 sq km). Since NWA and Oman are being
> > hit hard for meteorites I contacted the US Embassy in
> > Mongolia who will pursue their avenues to see if
> > meteorites can be bought and exported from Mongolia.
> > Let's see what turns up...
> >
> >
>
> The biggest problem here is extreme remoteness, and in
> many places (the best places) high altitude.
>
> I have thought of it quite often-- but it would be
> tough.
>
> Steve Schoner, AMS
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mongolia -Gobi Desert

2002-02-18 Thread meteorites

On Mon, 18 February 2002, Rick Nowak wrote

> 
>  One of the great deserts and semidesert regions of
> the world, the Gobi stretches across Central Asia over
> large areas of Mongolia and China. It occupies an arc
> of land 1,000 mi (1,609 km) long and 300-600 mi
> (500-1,000 km) wide, with an estimated area of 500,000
> sq mi (1,300,000 sq km). Since NWA and Oman are being
> hit hard for meteorites I contacted the US Embassy in
> Mongolia who will pursue their avenues to see if
> meteorites can be bought and exported from Mongolia.
> Let's see what turns up...
> 
> 


The biggest problem here is extreme remoteness, and in
many places (the best places) high altitude.

I have thought of it quite often-- but it would be
tough.

Steve Schoner, AMS

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake and Kaidun

2002-02-18 Thread Graham Christensen

Here is some info on the Revelstoke meteorite in BC, Canada:
http://tabla.geo.ucalgary.ca/cdnmeteorites/meteorite/revelstoke.html

I have heard of a few meteorites being found on snow in Canada, for example: 
Bruderheim and Innisfree (MORP network recovery). Apperently, many 
meteorites fall through the snow, bounce off the ground and come to rest 
back on the surface of the snow but in the case of dust I imagine it would 
just sprinkle onto the surface. This gives Canada some advantage because as 
they say here there are 4 seasons: Winter, almost winter, just past winter 
and the rainy season. :)


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>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake and Kaidun
>Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 17:04:20 -0800 (PST)
>
>There is another very strange carbonaceous meteorite
>that fell at "Revelstoke" (sp) Canada in the winter of
>1965 (?).
>
>As I recall, after a very bright and large fireball a
>team was sent to explore after the scene, covered with
>snow was checked via aircraft.  Snow drifts were
>covered with what appeared from the air to be black
>dust.
>
>Field investigations, as I recall, recovered about 1
>gram of carbonaceous meteorite dust (C1 ?).
>
>So, it would seem that there are other instances of
>this type of material falling to earth.
>
>In this case had the fall not happened when the land
>was covered in snow nothing would have been recovered.
>
>And I imagine that for Tagish Lake the result would not
>have been nearly as good had it happened say in the
>summer time.
>
>Regards,
>Steve Schoner AMS
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 14 February 2002, Eric Twelker wrote
>
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > Just a reminder that we still have small pieces
>(<70 mg) of Tagish Lake
> > available.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eric Twelker
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> >
> > > From: Bernd Pauli HD
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:25:02 +0100
> > > To: meteorite-list
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake and Kaidun
> > >
> > > ZOLENSKY M. et al. (2001) Kaidun: A smorgasbord
> > > of new asteroid samples (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A233):
> > >
> > > One of the most intriguing results of research on
>Tagish Lake is that
> > > it may be a piece from a type D asteroid – this
>type of asteroid is
> > > supposed to be extremely rich in carbon. How does
>that finding relate
> > > to Kaidun? Kaidun is a clastic carbonaceous
>chondrite and the following
> > > components are present:
> > >
> > > - every type of carbonaceous chondrite
> > > - enstatite chondrites
> > > - shock melt clasts
> > > - many numerous hitherto unseen materials - plus:
>...
> > > - a carbonaceous lithology with the same oxygen
>isotope
> > > composition as Tagish Lake
> > >
> > > So there was Tagish Lake-like material in our
>collections
> > > 20 years before Tagish Lake fell!
> > >
> > > In order to have accumulated clasts of many
>unrelated asteroids, the
> > > Kaidun parent body must have been large and the
>authors speculate
> > > that Kaidun may have come from ... Ceres.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites blessing or omen ?

2002-02-18 Thread meteorites

On Tue, 12 February 2002, "Graham Christensen" wrote

> 
> This is true. I myself have many tiny chips and
pieces of meteorite but I 
> have an NWA that I got from Dean Bessey that is 285
grams. I am glad that I 
> had the opportunity to obtain a meteorite of its
size. It has given me a 
> better idea of what a meteorite would probably look
like in an environment 
> where it might be weathered and I have been able to
show it to many people 
> in my school, many of whom have shown great interest.
Besides, I don't think 
> that the information about the strewnfields is all
that important to 
> science, the physics of meteorite falls and the
formation of strewnfields is 
> already well known. What needs to be studied is the
meteorites themselves 
> and the best way to do this is to have nomads out
there searching to make a 
> profit, finding the maximum amount of material. Am I
right on this? This is 
> just my opinion.
> 
> My 2 bits (of NWA meteorite) worth :)
> 


Graham,

I think that you are absolutely right on this on all
counts.

Strewn field information, I think is important with
regards to very large falls, such a Gibeon, Campo del
Cielo, and other such events.  Most important though
are witnessed falls.

Strewnfield data with regards to these is important. 
The visual observation of the fireball event coupled
with the data derived from the fall scatter pattern can
provide insight into the process of retardation of
hypersonic bodies with irreguar shapes and motions in
our atmosphere.

(In this regard, some bolides, such as Pasamonte were
observed to have a "corkscrew" motion).

But with regards to the tons of NWA's I think it stupid
and shortsighted to discount these as being
"scientifically important" simply because they do not
have strewnfield data.

These should, instead, be considered potential bonaza
to science.  Cut them, make spheres of them, reduce
them to dust, pop out chondurles for analysis-- the
huge supply should make for some amazing discoveries.

Steve Schoner, American Meteorite Survey.


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> >From: "Simon de Boer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA   meteorites  
blessing  or  omen ?
> >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:54:01 -0500
> >
> >  Edward  and  List  :I  am  a  junior and
amateur collector.  I've  
> >been interested in  meteorites  for as  long as I 
can  remember  searching 
> >  fields  , rock  piles  wondering  how I  might 
wish astar to fall on 
> >  my  property.  Having  finally accumulated 
numerous  specimens  I  sent  
> >pieces  to Robt  Haag   who  called  me on the phone
 with the   
> >discouraging news that  none  of what  I had  a  ton
 of  beside  my  gas 
> >barrel  was  meteorite.
> >   At  that point  I  did as  Robt  said and got
 Richard Nortons  book 
> >  and  educated  myself somewhat.   I  met a  few
helpful dealers  ,  
> >collectors,  and  got  to look at the real thing. 
It  was  like  a  
> >starved  soul  to  be able to purchase  pieces  of 
meteorite  at  such  
> >reasonable  prices  and  study them  for  myself.   
No  it wasn t  the  
> >dollars  for me  that I   could  make on  them  ,  
I  was just  glad   to 
> >buy  them  for what I could get  them  If  I   had
to  pay  what  some  
> >have paid to have  a  few  grams  of rare 
individuals  I wouldn t  have  
> >any  today  .I  have shared  pieces  with  many 
people who would  
> >otherwise  been  like me  ignorant  about what  a 
meteorite  looks  and   
> >feels  like. I can  now  bring   and  even  give
 some  to farmers  and 
> >friends  who   otherwise  would  never  even see the
real thing  much  less 
> >care,  but  they  marvel  when  they get  to touch 
what we  now take for 
> >granted.
> >   I  spend  hours  looking  over  and  over  at
 all the  variety  of 
> >specimens  I  have  from  NWA   and  anyone  who  is
 interested  can  
> >actually   come  and  enjoy them also.   I ve  been
asked  if  I can  show  
> >what  I have at  the local  fall fair  I  think its
an excellent idea to  
> >bring them into  schools and  let  childrens  hold a
 star  first hand and 
> >not  look at  it  in a  museum for 5  seconds  and 
never  experience  
> >them.  the  beauty of  nature  ought not  be  locked
up  and  hoarded  by  
> >those  who  can  afford   high  priced   ones  alone
 ..There is  lots  to 
> >go around   I m  so  thankful  the  price  was in 
range  where  I  didn t  
> >hesitate  to   get  some  rather   than  just  keep 
looking  and  hoping  
> >someday  to  find one .  Blessing  UNWA   for me
perhaps  someday  I  
> >ll  get  some  pieces  classified  and  donate  my 
20  grams  to the  
> >cause  also  without  regret.
> > I  agree  that  perhaps  alot more pairing
could  have been  done  
> >I t   could  have been  picked up  more 
scientifically  bu

[meteorite-list] Mongolia -Gobi Desert

2002-02-18 Thread Rick Nowak

 One of the great deserts and semidesert regions of
the world, the Gobi stretches across Central Asia over
large areas of Mongolia and China. It occupies an arc
of land 1,000 mi (1,609 km) long and 300-600 mi
(500-1,000 km) wide, with an estimated area of 500,000
sq mi (1,300,000 sq km). Since NWA and Oman are being
hit hard for meteorites I contacted the US Embassy in
Mongolia who will pursue their avenues to see if
meteorites can be bought and exported from Mongolia.
Let's see what turns up...


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Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake and Kaidun

2002-02-18 Thread meteorites

There is another very strange carbonaceous meteorite
that fell at "Revelstoke" (sp) Canada in the winter of
1965 (?).  

As I recall, after a very bright and large fireball a
team was sent to explore after the scene, covered with
snow was checked via aircraft.  Snow drifts were
covered with what appeared from the air to be black
dust.

Field investigations, as I recall, recovered about 1
gram of carbonaceous meteorite dust (C1 ?).

So, it would seem that there are other instances of
this type of material falling to earth.

In this case had the fall not happened when the land
was covered in snow nothing would have been recovered.

And I imagine that for Tagish Lake the result would not
have been nearly as good had it happened say in the
summer time.

Regards,
Steve Schoner AMS




On Thu, 14 February 2002, Eric Twelker wrote

> 
> Hello all
> 
> Just a reminder that we still have small pieces
(<70 mg) of Tagish Lake
> available.  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric Twelker
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.meteoritemarket.com
> 
> > From: Bernd Pauli HD
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:25:02 +0100
> > To: meteorite-list
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake and Kaidun
> > 
> > ZOLENSKY M. et al. (2001) Kaidun: A smorgasbord
> > of new asteroid samples (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A233):
> > 
> > One of the most intriguing results of research on
Tagish Lake is that
> > it may be a piece from a type D asteroid – this
type of asteroid is
> > supposed to be extremely rich in carbon. How does
that finding relate
> > to Kaidun? Kaidun is a clastic carbonaceous
chondrite and the following
> > components are present:
> > 
> > - every type of carbonaceous chondrite
> > - enstatite chondrites
> > - shock melt clasts
> > - many numerous hitherto unseen materials - plus:
...
> > - a carbonaceous lithology with the same oxygen
isotope
> > composition as Tagish Lake
> > 
> > So there was Tagish Lake-like material in our
collections
> > 20 years before Tagish Lake fell!
> > 
> > In order to have accumulated clasts of many
unrelated asteroids, the
> > Kaidun parent body must have been large and the
authors speculate
> > that Kaidun may have come from ... Ceres.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Bernd
> > 
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[meteorite-list] Thanks

2002-02-18 Thread wrecks463



Thanks everyone for helping me locate Marvin 
Kilgores website
 
  Thanks again, 

 
Rex


[meteorite-list] Richfield LL3.7 full slice meteorite

2002-02-18 Thread Ivan Koutyrev



Hi dear listers!
 
Here is a few images of  full slice of 
Richfield LL 3.7 meteorite :
 

http://photos.yahoo.com/finmet2000
 
Size: 10.5 x 14.0 x 1/4 "
  or 265 x 350 x 6 mm
Weight : 1,389 gram
 
If somebody has interest for buy it, please make a reasonable offer.
 
Thanks,
Ivan


Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About Time + Tucson 2002

2002-02-18 Thread Dave Schultz



I had a niece that was 9 on 09/09/99. Sorry, a 
little off topic. Dave 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:04 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About 
  Time + Tucson 2002
  In a message dated 
  2/17/2002 9:35:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  As the clock ticks over from 8:01PM on Wednesday, February 20th, 
2002, time will (for sixty seconds only) read in perfect symmetry. To 
be more precise: 20:02, 02/20, 2002. It is an event which has only 
ever happened once before, and is something which will never be 
repeated. The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical 
pattern was long before the days of the digital watch (or the 24-hour 
clock) at 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. And because the clock only 
goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen 
again.That is so 
  cool but so was my recent birthday 02/02/02   Something that I will 
  never see again Bob


Re: [meteorite-list] Carbonaceous Chondrite Statistics

2002-02-18 Thread Dave Schultz

Greetings Listees and Bernd! Being that my meteorite collection has started
to focus on basically collecting as many different Carbonaceous Chondrites
as possible, this is really interesting to me. It shows me that I have a
long way to go before I can reach my goal! :) At present I have roughly 30
different C/C`s in my collection, after adding 3 that I purchased and won at
Darryl`s Auction last Sunday in Tucson! I got a beautiful 79.41g. piece of
Kainsaz, a nice 3g. piece of Ningqiang at the auction, and a cool looking
9.5g. half slice of NWA 723 CV3.5 from Bruno and Carine! I`m still seaching
for a reference type book on C/C`s though, but with no luck. :(  Any and all
help will be greatly appreciated!Dave
- Original Message -
From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carbonaceous Chondrite Statistics


> Hi All!
>
> After I had written that carbonaceous chondrites were relatively rare in
> our collections when compared to ordinary chondrites, someone asked
> for numbers off-list. So I'd like to share the result with all of us:
>
>
> Carbonaceous chondrites presently in my databases:
>
> (Tentative) pairing not considered!
>
> 190 worldwide without Antarctica (45 falls/144 finds + 1 Bench Crater)
> 329 US Antarctica
> 123 Japanese Antarctica (there are probably several more meanwhile!)
>
> => 642 Carbonaceous chondrites
>
> All meteorites:
>
> 05938 Meteorites worldwide without Antarctica
> 08514 Japanese Antarctica
> 10532 US Antarctica
>
> => 24984 meteorites= 100 %
> =>   642 Carbonaceous  = 2.5 %
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] About Time + Tucson 2002

2002-02-18 Thread BOORX4
In a message dated 2/17/2002 9:35:03 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


As the clock ticks over from 8:01PM on Wednesday, February 20th, 
2002, time will (for sixty seconds only) read in perfect symmetry. To 
be more precise: 20:02, 02/20, 2002. It is an event which has only 
ever happened once before, and is something which will never be 
repeated. The last occasion that time read in such a symmetrical 
pattern was long before the days of the digital watch (or the 24-hour 
clock) at 10:01AM, on January 10, 1001. And because the clock only 
goes up to 23.59, it is something that will never happen again.


That is so cool but so was my recent birthday 02/02/02   Something that I will never see again 
Bob





[meteorite-list] Carbonaceous Chondrite Statistics

2002-02-18 Thread Bernd Pauli HD

Hi All!

After I had written that carbonaceous chondrites were relatively rare in
our collections when compared to ordinary chondrites, someone asked
for numbers off-list. So I'd like to share the result with all of us:


Carbonaceous chondrites presently in my databases:

(Tentative) pairing not considered!

190 worldwide without Antarctica (45 falls/144 finds + 1 Bench Crater)
329 US Antarctica
123 Japanese Antarctica (there are probably several more meanwhile!)

=> 642 Carbonaceous chondrites

All meteorites:

05938 Meteorites worldwide without Antarctica
08514 Japanese Antarctica
10532 US Antarctica

=> 24984 meteorites= 100 %
=>   642 Carbonaceous  = 2.5 %

Best regards,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Re: Hot Desert Meteorites

2002-02-18 Thread BOORX4

Greetings to the List,

I just purchased a NWA from one of the Moroccan dealers here in Tucson on 
Sat.  I was only interested in having a representative sample of  a NWA.  I'm 
going to have it cut open so I can view the insides.  Hey, at 30 cents a 
gram, how can anyone really go wrong.

My 2 cents,
Bob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Marvin Killgore

2002-02-18 Thread Sharkkb8
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Does anybody have an email address or website for Marvin Killgore?

 
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL: http://www.meteorite-lab.com/

In this regard, check out Paul and Jim's excellent Meteorite Exchange dealer-page!

http://www.meteorite.com/dealer_list.htm


[meteorite-list] Bag checks...Tucson, my first

2002-02-18 Thread TMS/TNS/HRC

I enjoyed your airport account!  I was really scrutinized too, as I figured
I would be.  They made me unwrap lots of things including a fossil belemnite
about 4 inches long to which the checker said "That looks very pointy" with
a raised eyebrow.  After deciding I wouldn't take over the plane with an
ancient sea creature, he asked me to unwrap a cluster of vanadanite crystals
which I had wrapped in about a half a roll of toilet paper.  So there I am
sitting in this giant heap of toilet paper holding my tiny red crystals
getting very odd looks from passers-by.  The only other thing they checked
was a bubble wrapped agate slice.  The semi-surly looking army guy who had
been standing silently nearby with arms folded piped up "That would look
really pretty hanging in a window!"  After that, they let me go, and the
thing I worried about (my bag of meteorites) went unchecked.

Those poor guys probably had their work cut out for them that week!  Glad
they're checking though!

Jeannie


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson, my first


> This was my first Tucson show (for that matter, my first meteorite show),
> and it was great. I could only get away for last weekend, but I caught
> the highlights: the Birthday Bash and the Macovitch auction. It was
> great meeting the very friendly people that I have communicated with by
> Email and read on the List. At the Birthday party, I was new, had never
> met almost everybody, so I was put at the Table of Honor with the
> Birthday Boys, Bruno and Carine, Anne Black, and others. Everybody made
> a point to talk to me, make me feel welcome, and introduce me to
> everybody. Geoff was particularly solicitous. Thanks.
>
> I picked up some great Mars rocks, a slice of Gibeon, even a Triassic
> fossil. I got to use my trés mal French with a mineral dealer from
> Morocco from whom I got a few quartz spheres for my wife. My airport
> experience was amusing. I had no check-on bags, just a backpack and a
> small carry-on bag. As was the case for almost everybody, when my two
> bags went through the X-ray machine, they shouted "bag check". I knew
> this was coming. The quartz spheres were in my backpack and the large,
> thin Gibeon (sort of like a small guillotine or ax blade) was in the
> small carry-on with the Mars rocks and fossil. I was led over to the
> side where I joined the crowd. I asked the very serious "agent" to be
> careful with my carry-on as he picked it up. This made him even more
> serious and he asked me, "What's in it?"  He looked worried expecting a
> Stinger missile launcher or small nuclear device, but I said, "There are
> meteorites inside, very fragile, very valuable". I swear that he had not
> the slightest idea what I was talking about. I could have been speaking
> Arabic. Anyway, he put my two bags next to me on a chair, and began to
> checkr over every part of my body and clothes with a metal detector.
> Don't you have to have a medical license to perform sigmoidoscopy? He
> was very unhappy with me as I had a few coins in the pocket of my pants.
> I had to take my running shoes off. They were run through the explosive
> sniffing machine and through the metal detector. A second man came over,
> the "bag man"; he picked up my backpack and took me and it over to a
> counter. I grabbed the small carry-on with the real goodies and took it
> with me. He asked me to take off my shoes, again. I said that I had just
> done this 3 minutes and 10 feet ago, but if he really wanted them, I
> would oblige, particularly in view of the soldiers with rifles standing
> right next to us, but the other serious guy came over and said that my
> shoes had been checked out. Middle age is wanting to tie one's shoe
> laces as little as possible. Okay, so now he is going through my
> backpack handling it like it was packed with scorpions. Immediately, he
> sees things big hard things wrapped in newspaper. As he intently and
> carefully unwraps the quartz spheres, he does not look at the newspaper.
> It is all in Arabic! The merchant from Morocco used it to wrap them.
> Lucky me. He might have asked what it said. I'm afraid I would have been
> tempted to be witty, and, no doubt, would have spent the night in jail,
> but he never noticed. So now he has a guy with a bunch of big hard heavy
> spheres filled with who knows what wrapped in Arabic newspaper. So he
> says, "OK, you can go". I wrap everything up, grab my small bag (the one
> with the guillotine-like piece of iron) and head for the gate. They
> never checked it! Amazing. Boy, did I feel safe getting on that
> airplane. Next year, I will take more time off, and definitely DRIVE.
>
> All in all, I had a great time. I have never been so warmly received by
> strangers. I have been involved with Astronomy for many years, and
> amateur astronomers are similar. Very passionate about their avocation,

[meteorite-list] Rose Center Meteorites

2002-02-18 Thread TMS/TNS/HRC



Hi All!  Nice to meet so many of you in 
Tucson!
 
I was wondering about the large meteorites in the 
Rose Center for Planetary Sciences (formerly the Hayden Planetarium) in 
NYC.  I know that the Willamette and Cape York are there, but I seem to 
remember there being at least one other really big one.  Anyone 
know?
 
Thanks in advance,
Jeannie


[meteorite-list] Help with possible meteorite

2002-02-18 Thread WaveMaster516

Hello. I think I may have found a meteorite. Or I could have found locomotive 
clinker. It looks like a meteorite and acts like a meteorite (magnetic). 
However, it could be a meteorwrong. I looked at some possible meteorwrongs 
and only one seems to fit my rock: locomotive clinker. If you don't know what 
it is, it si a chuck of melted iron spewd out of an old locomotive train. I 
am considering cutting it to find out what it really is. Does locomotive 
clinker, or any other meteorwrong look like a meteor when you cut it or do 
you need chemical tests to find out?
   If it really is a meteorite, I won't sell it, but if it isn't then 
I'll just be proud of my clinker.

Heads up, 
   Derek

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[meteorite-list] Meteor 2/9/02 Seismic Reports

2002-02-18 Thread Rick Nowak

IMS has been granted the right to do press release
thru the AP. We are going to use them in tracking down
the Meteor of 2/9/02. Reports are coming in from the
New England Seismic Network. So far only one station
has reported with no jumps on the seismic record.In
the future if anymore meteors show up we will use the
media to obtain flight reports. Plot the end point and
conatct the nearest newspaers to encourage people to
come forward with meteorites. This is so low cost yet
a method that Nininger was not able to use. 

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Ebay Auctions TODAY & TOMORROW

2002-02-18 Thread Michael Cottingham



 
- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: Michael Cottingham 
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Ebay Auctions TODAY & TOMORROW

Hello,
 
Please check out my ebay auctions that are 
ending
today (Monday) and tomorrow...
 
Go to:
 
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 
Thanks & Best Wishes
 
Michael Cottingham


[meteorite-list] AP Wire Service

2002-02-18 Thread Rick Nowak

IMS has been granted the right to do press release
thru the AP. We are going to use them in tracking down
the Meteor of 2/9/02. Reports are coming in from the
New England Seismic Network. So far only one station
has reported with no jumps on the seismic record.In
the future if anymore meteors show up we will use the
media to obtain flight reports. Plot the end point and
conatct the nearest newspaers to encourage people to
come forward with meteorites. This is so low cost yet
a method that Nininger was not able to use. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] magnetic or non magnetic?

2002-02-18 Thread Steve Witt



 Pierre, 

   In an earlier e-mail I told you that the rare-earth magnets that I
have "stick" to my specimens of Allende. I wasn't speaking of crumbs,
I was talking about entire specimens, end pieces, slices. I also have
a "magnet on a string" that will stick and hold until the meteorite
is lifted to 45 degrees to perpendicular.

 Steve

  



--- rochette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Which meteorites would NOT be attracted to a magnet.
> >> Lunar and Mars meteorites to my knowledge anymore out their??
> >>
> >
> >I don't know of any.  Lunar and Mars meteorites are in fact
> attracted
> >to a strong magnet.  Even the carbonaceous chondrites are
> attracted
> >to strong magnets.
> >
> >Ron Baalke
> >
> Dear list members
> 
> we are discussing on a threshold; the answer is not yes or no, but
> more or
> less. Even air (due to the paramagnetism of oxygen) can be
> attracted with
> the proper magnet! I have hand permanent magnets that are able to
> lift a
> paramagnetic siilicate like olivine from the table.
> 
> For meteorites with less than 1% of metal (like Allende,
> Howardite,LL,
> lunar...) if you have a strong magnet, and you take crumbles of the
> material on a sheet of paper, you are right Matteo, Ron and Steve,
> touching
> them with a magnet can move the crumbles, may be lift some of them.
> However
> the magnet does not stick to the bulk rock, like for L or H.
> On the other hand metal is heterogeneously distributed, so some
> fragments
> of the same howardite or LL can have several percent of metal so
> behave
> like a L. But again the bulk does not!
> 
> Saying that the above experiment shows that these low metal
> meteorites are
> magnetic, results in saying that a lot of terrestrial rocks have
> the same
> behavior, thus rending the magnet proof pointless (again check with
> a
> basalt or a Yosemite granite: it behaves like Allende).
> 
> Thanks Steve Shoner for your support!
> 
> Pierre
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Meteorites

2002-02-18 Thread Martin Horejsi
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Meteorites



Hi Walter,

Good work. But since you asked, here are a couple of suggestions/opinions:

It appears that your camera’s depth of field was not deep enough to retain the entire image thickness in focus. Notice the slight fuzziness on the left side of the specimen. Were you using any telephoto aspects of your camera. The more you zoom, the thinner the plane of focus.

The background is nice, but the harsh shadow parallel to the specimen’s right edge is somewhat distracting. When there are near misses with lines and intersections, the mind wonders if something else is going on. An old saying is that the picture includes the frame.

The lighting is still a little harsh, especially on the steely edges of the thumbprints. Maybe soften the photofloods through bounce and turn off the on-camera flash.

Personally, I think the specimen looks a little better if you rotate it 135 degrees clockwise. Just my opinion.

Finally, the pink background does add highlight to some of the internal regions of the thumbprints, but I think it actually accentuates the harsh nature of the iron rather than softening it. But maybe that is your desired effect?

Do you spend this amount of time taking pictures of your daughter? I go through a couple of rolls and a few hundred digital shots a week on my family, but I’m lucky to get a single scan or shot of a meteorite per week.

Nice job. Will we get to see more?

Cheers,

Martin






On 2/17/02 7:39 PM, "Walter Branch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Everyone,
 
I have started taking an interest in attempting "nice" photos of the meteorites in my collection and I was doing some experimenting yesterday with a 600+ gram sikhote-alin.  Here is what I think is the best image:
 
http://www.branchmeteorites.com/temp/DSCF00111.JPG
 
Some on the list have done some amazing photography and I was wondering if some of you photo experts would take a look and give me some advice on lighting, background, positioning, etc.  For this image, I used the flash on the digitial camera and two high intensity photofloods on either side of the specimen.  Any helpful suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
 
-Walter 
---
Walter Branch, Ph.D.
Branch Meteorites
322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B
Savannah, GA  31405 USA
www.branchmeteorites.com  








[meteorite-list] Marvin Killgore

2002-02-18 Thread wrecks463



Hello People,
Does anybody have an email address or website for 
Marvin Killgore?
 
 
    
Thanks,
    
Rex


Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of Meteorites

2002-02-18 Thread trandall
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] Photos of
Meteorites



 Walter,
  Excellent photo as far as I'm concerned. Nicely lit.
Positioning is a personal thing so use the angle you think would be
best. I see nothing wrong with that image personally. Nice job.

Regards,
Tom Randall
 

Hello
Everyone,
 
I have
started taking an interest in attempting "nice" photos of
the meteorites in my collection and I was doing some experimenting
yesterday with a 600+ gram sikhote-alin.  Here is what I think is
the best image:
 
http://www.branchmeteorites.com/temp/DSCF00111.JPG
 
Some on the
list have done some amazing photography and I was wondering if some of
you photo experts would take a look and give me some advice on
lighting, background, positioning, etc.  For this image, I used
the flash on the digitial camera and two high intensity photofloods on
either side of the specimen.  Any helpful suggestions would be
appreciated.  Thanks.
 
-Walter



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[meteorite-list] magnetic or non magnetic?

2002-02-18 Thread rochette

>>
>> Which meteorites would NOT be attracted to a magnet.
>> Lunar and Mars meteorites to my knowledge anymore out their??
>>
>
>I don't know of any.  Lunar and Mars meteorites are in fact attracted
>to a strong magnet.  Even the carbonaceous chondrites are attracted
>to strong magnets.
>
>Ron Baalke
>
Dear list members

we are discussing on a threshold; the answer is not yes or no, but more or
less. Even air (due to the paramagnetism of oxygen) can be attracted with
the proper magnet! I have hand permanent magnets that are able to lift a
paramagnetic siilicate like olivine from the table.

For meteorites with less than 1% of metal (like Allende, Howardite,LL,
lunar...) if you have a strong magnet, and you take crumbles of the
material on a sheet of paper, you are right Matteo, Ron and Steve, touching
them with a magnet can move the crumbles, may be lift some of them. However
the magnet does not stick to the bulk rock, like for L or H.
On the other hand metal is heterogeneously distributed, so some fragments
of the same howardite or LL can have several percent of metal so behave
like a L. But again the bulk does not!

Saying that the above experiment shows that these low metal meteorites are
magnetic, results in saying that a lot of terrestrial rocks have the same
behavior, thus rending the magnet proof pointless (again check with a
basalt or a Yosemite granite: it behaves like Allende).

Thanks Steve Shoner for your support!

Pierre



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