[meteorite-list] Out of town
hello all From this afternoon until Sunday evening I will be to Bologna for Bologna Mineral Show, without computer. If I succeed to find an Internet point I will answer to the emails. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Andrei Razvan, instead of betting aubrite on Rob's New Moroccan Fall, you better should pay your last bill for my meteorite delivery. You are due the money since September 1999. And that is a bit much for my taste! Dieter Heinlein, BML - Original Message - From: Razvan Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 13, 1999 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall aubrite ? - Original Message - From: Deborah Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall I'll go with H4. Andre Bordeleau __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital Photography
Hi, Martin and List, Translating digital pixels to film resolution is complicated. The highest resolution 35mm format lens commercially available, the Carl Zeiss T* Planar, has a resolution of 63 lines per mm when tested on a standard film resolution card. Since resolving a line needs a theoretical minimum of two pixels, that would correspond to a digital resolution of 3024 x 4536, or about 13.7 million pixels, to equal the 35mm film format (24mm x 36mm). That is only the theoretical minimum, however. In practice, it might take more than 17 million pixels. The five megapixel digital camera is roughly equivalent to having a film camera that uses an imaginary 20mm format (14mm x 21mm), if there were such a thing. Sounds a lot like the current APS format to me. On the other hand, Ansel Adams' 8 x 10 sheet film cameras produced images that translate to a minimum digital resolution of 12,600 x 16,000 or about 200 million pixels. I suspect it will be a long time before any direct digital device matches that! There are vast difference in the way grains of photosensitive chemicals respond to light as compared to the way the bins of a CCD respond, which means that people will undoubtedly continue to argue about which is better long after the two media have achieved parity of theoretical resolution. Most modern monitors have a 0.25mm dot pitch which corresponds to slightly more than 100 dpi. Even an older 0.28mm dot pitch monitor is 91 dpi. Both image scales are beyond the power of the best human eye to resolve into individual pixels. Truly high quality monitors (starting at around $600 to $800) offer a control over color rendition that vastly exceeds that of any film technology, with control of color temperature in one-degree increments and 48-bit cards provide adjustments in luminosity, saturation and hue up to 600 times finer in scale than any film or paper offers. Virtually all commercial photography, from the medium-grade pro up to the top of the field, combines the two technologies. Images are shot on film (for the highest resolution) and then digitized and manipulated (for the greatest control of outcome) for production. Medium format film (120) in modern emulsions and commercially digitized can easily create an image with more than 200 million pixels to work with. Finding another Ansel Adams is harder, though... Sterling Webb --- Martin Horejsi wrote: On 3/13/02 8:04 AM, Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to some friends of mine who are very involved in photography, Digital camera resolution will equal that of 35mm when the digitals reach 17megapixels. Hi Jim and All, I don't know if the 17 megapixel limit is right or not, and I don't dispute it, however there is another side to that limit. Most people cannot take a picture that is anywhere near the limit of what 35mm photography is all about. I used to do high resolution art photography with 35mm. I know that sounds like a contradiction, and in a way it was, but that's what I did. To reach the limits of 35mm cameras, one first must have the best equipment. Retail, that would probably be Leica. However I used Nikon which I felt was definitely in at least second place, but not by much. Then there is the film issue. One would have to shoot very low EV black and white film (maybe ASA 10-12) and use special development procedures to get the proper limit of resolution. Then their is the support issue. Lightweight tripods won't cut it. Nor will very fast or very slow shutter speeds. There is an optimum range for max resolution. Then there is F-stop (or F-step as some like to say). Each lens has a particular f-stop where it will be sharpest and it is never the max number. Finally, there is the exposure of the image. Again, few people could ever measure a proper exposure without training. However, the excellent matrix metering in today's auto cameras makes this less of an issue. So you can see, there is really much to the theoretical comparison of 35mm and digital. When you put all of this through a filter of general use photography by the serious consumer, I believe 5 megapixel is actually plenty for 99+ percent of all digital use, in fact, it is usually overkill. Now when you are using only a computer monitor for viewing (ie Internet, email), all of this is mostly meaningless because of the limited color quality (or at least color control and predictability), and the low resolution of monitors (about 72-75 dpi). Just my two rolls of film. Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New meteorite from Poland... and something about war
Hello everyone again I have new meteorite for sale. This is Lowicz [Mes]. I have 2 new pieces. First is fragment 29g and second is incredible 166g individual with 9x% complete fussion crust. All this pieces was from Polish museum. Meteorites are ultra fresh For more infos, please email me. PS. To Mike, Dean, Casper etc. :)) You are all big boys, and why You send this bull shit on this maillist ? Send something about meteorites. Your in-home war is interesting :)) but this is off-topic. This will be verry long war becouse this is similar to Israel-Palestina war :)) Everyone have right, and when one side send you are stupid then other side send You are thief and again, again, again... PS2. In Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall I vote for Pallasite ;- -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]- http://www.meteoryt.net Meteorite Information Center http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.studiomc.com.pl[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: cutting
hello. I search for something for cuting meteorites. I must buy or construct my own saw for meteorites. I want cut small speciment, up to 10cm diameter. You can send me any www addresses or something ? I need this for cutting small pieces to verry thin slices. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]- http://www.meteoryt.net Meteorite Information Center http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.studiomc.com.pl[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: To My investers
I have never invested in a trip, but I have done business with both Dean and Mike for a long time. After seeing this and being swamped by e-mails from them on the list, I will never purchase from either of them again. I do not appreciate the bad language either! My two cents worth. Troy Bell __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay auctions ending tonight
Nothing special this week. Just a bunch of run-of-the-mill meteorites at incredible prices: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/catchafallingstar.com/ Best Wishes.. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteoriteshttp://www.catchafallingstar.com
RE: [meteorite-list] From R. Hartman [ To My investors thread]
Ron, As one of the gentlemen and established icons of this field, you once again show the benefits of having wisdom, grace, and the proper words to express what many of us feel. I too have had the pleasure of dealing with both and have found them to be honest, reliable, and customer oriented. These men are very good at what they do, provide a valuable service to the community they serve and we lovers of rocks from space, no matter where they are found or by whom, are better off having them both. Greg RedfernIMCA #5781www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of capricorn89Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:43 AMTo: Michael Farmer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] From R. Hartman [ To My investors thread] M. Farmer wrote I would like for all of you to email here, not in a bad way but to say in this forum if you are happy or not with our trips. I have enjoyed doing business with both Dean and Mike and what I read in these posts seems out of character for each. They both feel passionate about their businesses and protective of their interests. Discretion is sometimes the better part of valor, as Dr. Frederick C. Leonard (my Professor in meteoritics) used to say. Dr. Leonard was one of the founders of the Meteoritical Society; he and Nininger were colleagues, and on-and-off friends. Perhaps, few of youare aware that they, at various times, were at odds with one another, They didn't have meteorite lists to vent their feelings, but handled their differences in their own polite way. With them the tension existed because Leonard was strictly an academian and Nininger commercialized his meteorites. But, in the long run, they both were meteoriticists and colleagues, and worked for the common good. As an investor with Mike, I have always found him to be more than fair and quite agreeable. I am very pleased and have no complaints. I know how much he puts into his business. I have also done business with Dean. He has given me good deals for which I have been pleased. Hello Mike; Hello Dean. :=) Keep those NWA's coming! We are all benefiting from your efforts. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To My investors I would like to ask my investors to post an email here in public to announce whether they are happy with my trips or not. You have all been accused of being ripped off, being unhappy with the trips, of saying that you were angry at me in posts over the last month. I would like for all of you to email here, not in a bad way but to say in this forum if you are happy or not with our trips. If you do not wish to stand up for me and for yourselves, then I will gladly invite you out of any further trips. you have all had words put into your mouths that you did not say. Please take a moment and tell your side to the list, or else you are allowing other people to say things for you that you never said. If you want this, then I no longer want investors of this caliber working with me. Mike Farmer P.S. This does not make you look bad, or is not intended to drag you into a fight, just to clarify if you are or are not happy with your investment trips. I would appreciate this as I have been and you have all been publicly quoted as being unhappy with me and my trips. Lets get it finished here and now today. Quotes from the Archives "But how much did your investors on your other trips cash out with? I understand that some of you guys are getting sued over those trips."
[meteorite-list] Risk of Meteorites Is Assessed
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-18658mar14.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dbusiness Risk of Meteorites Is Assessed From Bloomberg News March 14, 2002 Munich Re, trying to gauge insurers' potential exposure to risks after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said a meteorite crash on Earth could lead to bigger-than-expected costs for the industry. The effects of a 'bombardment from space' are to be carried by the insurance industry to a larger degree than has hitherto been assumed, Munich Re said. This is because meteorite crashes will probably lead to explosions and fires which are covered in many insurance contracts nowadays. Munich Re said it started assessing meteorite risks after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center. Insurers stand to lose as much as $58 billion from the terrorist assault, Swiss Reinsurance Co., the world's No. 2 reinsurer, said Wednesday. No one ever believed two planes would crash into a skyscraper, so we have started looking at what's at all possible instead of what's likely, said Thomas Loster, Munich Re's head of climate and natural disaster research. Insurers may have to pay for meteorite-related damage because they're defined as flying objects, like airplanes are, in most policies, Loster said. A flooding caused by a meteorite crashing into the sea also most likely would be covered. There have been more than 100 cases of meteorites hitting Earth during the 20th century. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Insurer's Scientists Ponder The Threat Of Meteor Disaster
http://www.ctnow.com/business/hc-meteorite0314.artmar14.story?coll=hc%2Dheadlines%2Dbusiness Space Bombardment Not So Far-Fetched? Insurer's Scientists Ponder The Threat Of Meteor Disaster By DIANE LEVICK, The Hartford Courant March 14, 2002 Insurers are thinking about the unthinkable in the wake of Sept. 11 - and not just terrorism. Now they're being urged to consider the financial threat posed by a bombardment from space. No, not from space aliens, but from meteorites and space rubbish such as old satellites, rocket stages and space station waste. The insurance industry has underestimated the meteorite risk and could be on the hook for much of the damage from a hit to the Earth because policies don't exclude it, said a report Wednesday by scientists at Munich Re, the world's largest reinsurer. The stern warning, however, isn't expected to lead U.S. insurers to rewrite policies to exclude such coverage or raise rates specifically for meteorite risk. A meteor is believed to have wiped out the dinosaurs tens of millions of years ago, and about 100 meteorite crashes on Earth were documented between 1900 and 2001. One in 1908 in Siberia felled or damaged trees in an area as large as Berlin, Moscow and London combined, the report noted. So the risk isn't just fodder for films such as Deep Impact, which slightly missed the mark by toppling the World Trade Center with a comet-driven sea wave. With estimates for Sept. 11 claims ranging anywhere from $30 billion to $70 billion, Munich Re warned in its report on natural catastrophes that insurers need to rethink the potential for future losses. As a reinsurer, Munich Re assumes some of the risk and premiums from insurance companies and takes a hit in many disasters. The probability of a meteorite strike is very low, but if a densely populated area were directly hit by a meteorite or by a sea wave after a meteorite crash, this could result in a loss accumulation of previously unknown dimensions, Munich Re said. A bombardment from space could mean massive destruction due to pressure and shock waves, heat waves, fire, tsunamis and climate changes, the company noted. The industry must consider whether it's equipped to deal with such a disaster, which is to be doubted, the report concluded. U.S. property-casualty insurers do realize a meteorite crash could be potentially very very devastating, but I don't believe this is a front burner issue for the industry at this time, said Robert P. Hartwig, vice president and chief economist for the Insurance Information Institute in New York. It may be one of those issues that requires an event to occur before the [risk] is explicitly priced in, Hartwig said. The Hartford Financial Services Group Inc. said Wednesday that it recognizes meteorite crashes are a serious branch of study but frankly meteorites and meteorite exclusions are just not on our radar these days. The Hartford and other insurers are more concerned about getting Congress to create a federal backstop for future terrorism claims. Hartwig points out the futility of worrying about insurance if there's another meteorite strike of the dinosaur-extinction level. Whether your insurance claim will be paid is the least of your concerns, Hartwig said. Being vaporized is your first concern. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's New Asteroid Sentry Stands Watch
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/asteroid_sentry_020314.html NASA's New Asteroid Sentry Stands Watch By Robert Roy Britt 14 March 2002 NASA announced this week a new Web-based asteroid monitoring system, called Sentry, to monitor and assess the threat of space rocks that could possibly strike the Earth. The setup is designed to help scientists better communicate with each other about the discoveries of new, potentially threatening asteroids and the follow-up observations that typically show those asteroids to be, in fact, no threat. While no large asteroid is currently known to be on a collision course with our planet, experts say an eventual impact is inevitable and the consequences could be grave, up to and including global devastation that might destroy civilization as we know it. The odds of such an impact in any given decade are extremely low, and most experts agree that there would likely be at least 10 years of warning if such an object were ever spotted. Smaller asteroids, however, are more likely to hit Earth in any given year and could cause significant local or regional damage. The odds are low in any given year. But over the course of a generation, the chances of such an event become significant. The odds of a locally or regionally destructive asteroid hitting an inhabited area in a given 50-year period are about 1-in-160, according to experts. False alarms In recent years, asteroid experts around the globe have struggled to develop a system to catalogue and track newly spotted Near Earth Asteroids -- those that are close enough to Earth's orbit to warrant scrutiny -- and to properly communicate any possible threats to the public. However, asteroids move so slowly against the background of stars that when one is first discovered, astronomers cannot pin down its exact path. Therefore, a wide range of possibilities are generated for the rock's possible orbit around the Sun, and often Earth becomes a possible target in those projected paths. A handful of false alarms, in which scientists said there was a remote threat that a particular asteroid would hit Earth in a certain year, have made headlines and frightened the public. The first and most notable was an asteroid called 1997 XF11, which briefly loomed as a frightening nemesis until four years ago this week, when new observations revealed it would miss the planet. A similar but less publicized threat emerged last August with an asteroid called 2001 PM10. Data on the rock was available on a public website and was hyped by uninformed web users before the fresh observations removed the risk. Since the 1997 XF11 situation, researchers have argued, sometimes vehemently, over how to better manage their data and make more informative public announcements. The Sentry system The new Sentry system, developed over the past two years, is partly a response to this perceived need. It is operated out of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The system's online Risks Page included 37 asteroids as of Thursday morning. Objects normally appear on the Risks Page because their orbits can bring them close to the Earth's orbit and the limited number of available observations do not yet allow their trajectories to be well-enough defined, said JPL's Donald Yeomans, manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office, which oversees Sentry. By far the most likely outcome is that the object will eventually be removed as new observations become available, the object's orbit is improved, and its future motion is more tightly constrained, Yeomans said in a statement. He added that several asteroids will be added to the list each month, only to be removed to another no-risk page soon afterward. Sentry follows other attempts to deal with the publication of asteroid risk data. A color-coded disaster yardstick called the Torino Scale, developed in 1999 and designed in part to inform the media and the public, has gone largely unused. On the Torino Scale, a zero or one represent remote risk, and a 10 means it's time to sell the farm. All but one of the asteroids currently on the Sentry list are zeros on the Torino Scale. Topping the list, though, is a space rock named 2002 CU11, discovered Feb. 7. It presently has a 1-in-100,000 chance of hitting Earth on Aug. 31, 2049. But as its orbit is refined, it is quite possible that this asteroid, like many before it, will be categorized harmless. Big improvement The Sentry system is similar to another online database, called NEODys, developed in recent years by asteroid experts in Italy. Researchers from the two systems are cooperating to cross check results in an effort to make both systems more effective, Yeomans said. Sentry is another big improvement in the routine monitoring of asteroids, said Benny Peiser, who runs CCNet, a scholarly electronic newsletter that covers the threat of rocks from space. Asteroid detections have rapidly increased in recent months, in part because NASA has a
[meteorite-list] Reuqest (off topic)
Greetings list, Sorry about the off topic post, but if there any list members currently living in Ireland, would you please contact me off list. thanx, Steve = Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo
Ok, after reading the other posts and especially after seeing this photo I have to back to thinking that the chances of Winona being from the same fall as all the Canyon Diablo's. I still wonder why the native americans would bury stones that they didn't see fall for themselves but the arguements put forth certainly seem to suggest that it what happened. Thanks to everyone who wrote back, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Horejsi Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:31 AM To: Bernd Pauli HD; John Gwilliam Cc: Rhett Bourland; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo Hi All, To say that Winona is weathered is an understatement. Imagine the rustiest, crustiest pile of fragments loosely bound, just barely overcoming the force of gravity...now apply the term weathered to it and you have Winona. Don't believe me, have a look at this pic. http://aristotle.isu.edu/winona.jpg Cheers, Martin On 3/12/02 9:25 AM, Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Gwilliam wrote: so if the Winona meteorite is found to be similar to Canyon Diablo shale, isn't it a possibility that it was also a transported item? Hello Rhett, John, and List! Unfortunately Winona is so very weathered that no one has determined its terrestrial age yet :-( The o n l y allusion to its age that I could unearth is: ... a find of uncertain age with heavily weathered metal. Reference: HERZOG G.F. et al. (1993) 26Al and 10Be activities of Lodranites and Winona (Meteoritics 28-3, 1993, A362-A363). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Follow-up to the Pearce story, part 1 of 2
Hi All, Back at the end of last month, you'll all remember the story about the bright meteor observed by many in the Baltimore area, and the sad story about Mr. Pearce and his two young sons who thought they had found a meteorite associated with that fall. Instead of hopping on eBay trying to hock their new find without any testing or classification, they took it to a more qualified friend for an opinion, who in turn suggested a NASA/Goddard scientist should examine it and the location of the recovery. After passing muster with him, only then did they drive it down to the Smithsonian to have Tim McCoy have a look, who would cut off a sample for analysis if it looked promising. Alas, the stone turned out to be terrestrial, and the Pearces were understandably crestfallen. Not only that, but the Goddard employee had contacted the media prior to the Smithsonian trip (which the shy Pearces were not really in favor of), adding to their embarrassment when the specimen turned out to be an iron oxide/ cemented sandstone. The story so touched our own Steve Smith that he decided he would send the Pearces a real meteorite to soften the blow of the whole experience. Inspired by Steve's thoughtfulness, I offered to do the same. Steve spoke with Mrs. Pearce over the phone, explaining what he wanted to do, and she replied that they would e-mail him their mailing address that night. (At the time, I think the Pearces were a little gun-shy following all the media attention and offers by strangers to buy their meteorite.) When the Pearces e-mail did not arrive, Steve called again (answering machine this time) leaving his phone number and assuring them that this was merely a goodwill gesture from a couple of meteorite aficionados who wanted to thank them for having done the right thing. But Steve received no return call. Given that Mrs. Pearce had sounded receptive over the phone, he reasoned that they were just laying low waiting for all the excitement to blow over (and for them to drop off the media radar screen). He decided to let them be for a while. In the meantime, we reasoned that since there were two boys, a meteorite each simply wouldn't do. I cut two partslices off the new Lost Creek H3.8, put them in padded plastic boxes, and then gathered up 10 windowed NWA fragments (H's and L's). This way they'd have something rare with which to start a collection, but they'd also have some meteorites that they could handle to their hearts' content, take into school to show their classmates, and not worry about losing or breaking a few. Steve's intended gifts were an excellent complement to mine: a 23.7-gram etched slice of Canyon Diablo, a 33.7 gram Sikhote-Alin and two NWA788's (L6) of around 20 grams each. Our packages were ready to go -- all we needed was an address. Then it hit me: if the Pearces are a little spooked by the unexpected attention of strangers, why not have Frank Roylance (the Baltimore Sun writer) act as an intermediary? I had already exchanged a number of emails with Frank at this point, so I asked him if he would be willing to be our go-between: After the probable embarrassment they feel over the media attention, we thought it quite possible that the family had become so disenchanted with the whole affair that they might have a hard time believing that complete strangers would want to give them meteorites for nothing. (But honestly, that's all we're trying to do.) So it occurred to me that an approach they might feel more comfortable with would be for us to mail the meteorites to you at the Sun, and then you could forward them to the Pearces. That way, they don't have to give their address to complete strangers. If you're comfortable acting as an intermediary, and you think the Pearces would be keen to this approach, we would love to make this happen. Steve and I are part of a larger group of meteorite aficionados who took a particular interest in this story, and felt that the Pearces should get some reward for having done the right thing. Frank checked with the Pearces and they enthusiastically gave the thumbs-up. Off our packages went to the Sun, which both arrived on Monday this week. [continued in part 2] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SALE? NEW FALL
You can wait until next week and buy it from mike Farmer for $2 a gram (And I recomend that you buy all that you can from him - if you went to morocco today you couldent buy it for that and one of the nicest and very unusual LL fall that you can find is certainly worth more than $2 a gram. In fact I would buy all that he has). However if you want to pay $15 then I have it today. I have hundreds of individuals from 10 to 50 grams with crust. I am not sure what is nicest on this. The fresh crust on meteorites that was picked up the same day as they fell or the brecciation that shows in the broken surface. These are 100% nice no matter how much crust is on them. From what I gather the mass is about 18 to 20 kilos but of course we still dont know for sure yet. If that mass total holds I will have over half of the fall. My meteorites were supposedly picked up the day of the fall by military personnel in the desert who saw it fall. I also bought 2 kilos later. Here are more photos: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/newfall2.htm The first two photos is of a 1478 gram individual that has about 98% crust and still some sahara sand on it. It is a museum showpiece. This is the biggest piece that I know of (yet) and I am hoping that it will eventually turn out to be the main mass. I dont plan on selling it until it is known to be the main mass or until a bigger piece apears. I guess that nobody is interested at $15 anymore as you worry that the price might drop but if you want individuals they are available. I have very small ones to but I havent decided what I will price tham at yet. My ebay auctions are down to almost nothing right now as I have to leave the country for a week at the end of the month but I will have this stuff on ebay shortly. I think that this fall should be given the name NWA1500 (Just kidding). cheers DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Impulse detectors
Hello. Where I can find any info about impulse detectors or frame detectors ??? You know, not this normal, but metal detectors which I can scan large area (like 1 x 2 m) up to 1-2 meters depth Someone can help me :)) Who sell this detectors ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]- http://www.meteoryt.net Meteorite Information Center http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.studiomc.com.pl[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question Regarding SAU 008
All, I have a nice piece of Sayh Al Uhaymir 008 coming soon. It will be installed in the Mars Room at the observatory where I work. I'm working on signs for the exhibit and have a couple of questions: What is the crystallization age for the rock? How long did it spend in space? What is its terrestrial age? I've searched the web for this info, but all I can turn up is the same couple of paragraphs detailing the find (location, date, TKW, etc.). If these questions are still unanswered, that's fine too. If you know for sure that these answers are _not_ known, please let me know. As a side note, the Mars Room at Perkins Observatory contains a really cool Mars Rover and Lander made entirely out of LEGO bricks. I say it's really cool and you can trust me on that because I built it myself and therefore I should know. :) Check it out at: http://www.perkins-observatory.org/marsrover.html We now return you to Celebrity Boxing. Bob MartinoCan you really name a star? http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ I look up to the heavens but night has clouded over no spark of constellation no Vela no Orion. -Enya __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Follow-up to the Pearce story, part 2 of 2
Mr. Roylance delivered the meteorite packages to the Pearces yesterday morning, and thoughtfully took a couple pictures while he was there. Unfortunately, Dale had to be at work and the oldest son was at school, but Mrs. Pearce and son Collin were home, and they opened the packages together. This is far out! Collin said. When I grow up I'm going to be a spaceman and go up in space. This has made our day, said Michelle. There are still fantastic people in this world. They had other kind words, but the looks on their faces in the pictures Frank sent say more than their words ever could. I've uploaded two of these images to my website: http://members.cox.net/mojave_meteorites/collin.jpg http://members.cox.net/mojave_meteorites/momson.jpg I want to publicly thank Steve for being the mastermind behind this good-faith mission, and Mr. Roylance for helping to make it happen. Special kudos are also in order for Ron Baalke, who posted the original story to Meteorite Central, without which most of us (not living in Baltimore) would never have heard of it. And of course none of this would have been possible without the Meteorite Central forum itself, so everyone here has played a part in making this happen. Cheers! --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding SAU 008
Bob Martino wrote: I have a nice piece of Sayh Al Uhaymir 008 coming soon. How long did it spend in space? What is its terrestrial age? As Sayh al Uhaymir 005/Sayh al Uhaymir 008 are paired, I think we can refer to this abstract in MAPS: PÄTSCH M. et al. (2000) Exposure age of the new SNC meteorite Sayh Al Uhaymir 005 (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A124): The noble gas data and the 26Al activity are consistent with an exposure age of 1.5 ± 0.3 m.y. Although the terrestrial age of this meteorite is not yet known, a short terrestrial age is assumed from its fresh appearance. Thus the ejection age should be similar to the exposure age. Regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] To My investors
Oh, and just for the record, I too have bought numerous pieces from both Mike and Dean in the past without any problems at all. I always felt both had their respective places in the meteorite community and have been greatful for both of them. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To My investors From: John Gwilliam Say John. Do you have some of farmers pubic hairs on top of your night table so that you can stroke them every night before you go to bed to? DEAN _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Impulse detectors
- Original Message - From: Steven Drummond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impulse detectors I would sudgest a place in florida called Kelleyco. They have a web site, WWW.kellycodetectors.comI bought my metal detector from them They have excellent prices and alot of different detector types, I am sure they will have what you are looking for. Regards, Steven Drummond The Unknown Collector :-) - Original Message - From: PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Impulse detectors Hello. Where I can find any info about impulse detectors or frame detectors ??? You know, not this normal, but metal detectors which I can scan large area (like 1 x 2 m) up to 1-2 meters depth Someone can help me :)) Who sell this detectors ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]--[ IMCA#3667 ]- http://www.meteoryt.net Meteorite Information Center http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.studiomc.com.pl[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vistapro.prv.pl +GSM (607) 535 195 - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silent Giants, Meteorites and Singing
Dear All, Silent Giant; Sounds of like an award that was missing at the Annual Tucson Birthday Bash-Harvey Awards Party- Ceremony. I nominate another individual to co hold the first Silent Giant award for next year who is good buddies with Mr. Rob (cite the Arizona vaca murta incident). Dave Andrews. Yup, the Udder Dave. He has been a positive list asset, helps all of us that would ask... from computer problems, to where in the He..is the Holbrook strewnfield, a very nice web site with our links, he even hosts special hunts for some of us at his favorite strewnfield. He has sent me a number of treasures including a cherished piece of crapper, and this February after a futile day of enjoying the scenic Holbrook strewnfield in a 30 mile an hour wind and coming up empty minus a bunch of red sand in everything, the guy gives me a genuine Holbrook meteorite that really did look like a bunny turd after all, thank you John Blennert for cataloging this descriptive classification. Dave is a good friend, a good meteorite strewnfield steward, and has been rumored to have associated with the phantom meteorite posse. What a guy! We should all have his virtues...well, minus the dead cow... Best Wishes, Dave Freeman Rock Springs, home of the unknown strewnfield Rob and Colleen wrote: Hello all- Reading the posting below and those of the last several days has prompted me to direct your attention to folks like Mr. Elliot for a moment. Every bit as much a juggernaut in the meteorite trade but stays somehow removed from the petty bickering, politics and grandstanding. Somehow bent on philanthropy, fun and good nature. Take notice gentlemen, it's called class. To say I have class or You have no class, well, that shows a lack of it. While I have never had a bad purchase with any dealer on this list and I do (and will continue to) purchase from just about all of them, there is a core group of soft-spoken, easy going, successful dealers that make being a collector a true pleasure. Mr. Elliot is one of them, certainly not the only, and their silence speaks volumes. I'm glad that Mr. Matson pointed out that Mr. Raab has a new meteorite on the way because Mr. Elliot wouldn't have. Silent giant. This is not a bandwagon for all of us to go off praising Rob Elliot, but to praise those of his kind. Mr. Elliot was the catalyst for this post but I can not begin to list the number of members who have helped, donated to, or advanced me in some way, out of pure goodwill. There are good deeds abound within this group, let's aim our sights there. Have at it folks, write about something nice that someone on this list has done for you, us, or others without expectation of reward. Pick a silent giant and make a post. There are certainly members that help us all on a regular basis right on the screen and we praise them often, but as for the unsung, silent giantslet's start singin' and drown out the vociferous. No hairs on the nightstands, no drinking problems, no calls to arms, no solicitations, -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Rhett, Actually, Rob Elliott generously chose to exempt himself from the contest, and as Herbert Raab also guessed LL6 (prior to your post implying that guesses should be unique), Rob crowned him the winner. I believe the meteorite piece is already on its way... Congrats Herbert! --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED
Hi all, I am looking to buy some of those little vials people put CD meteorite spheroids in. (you can see one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1081694926 I heard they were available at Tucson, but I didn't see any. Does ANYONE on the list know where I can get them? (or is willing to sell me some) PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST Thanks a bunch, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for Fred Hall
Dear List, We are looking for Fred Hall. We have searched and do not have him in our email files. Please pass along that we are trying to contact him. Dear Fred, Please contact us. We have a question for you. Thank you! Paul and Jim Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA FAX Number(310) 316-1032 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silent Giants, Meteorites and Singing
In a message dated 3/14/2002 4:43:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: like Mr. Elliot .. stays somehow removed from the petty bickering, As long as you don't tease him about his hair. ;-) Gregory
[meteorite-list] Rob Wesel's comment
...just to say that I fully support Mr. Wesel's reflections on Mr. Elliott 100% -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't fit into my signature file __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
