[meteorite-list] pariah of the list
I am sorry to have offended so many. It seems in life all I do is open mouth to exchange feet. I so wish I could find a place to fit in.. I wish I could find the safe little world you guys have. But for me is not there. 100 IQ.. must be nice Since most have an IQ of 100 it is hard for the masses to understand anything above that. It is too foreign to their understanding. So to fit in.. I have to appear the fool. And am treated as such. I just wanted friends. But.. I do not fit in here either. I am sorry that friends were lost. I have friends with thousands of investigative pages on it. I told you what I know. Sorry it was not what you wanted to hear. Nothing I know, anyone wants to hear... So.. will say no more. I will read the posts...but I doubt I will respond again. If I know the answer, I will no longer say. My IQ... somewhere between 160 - 200. I think the 200 is about right. But .. in your eyes..I will always be a fool. So again.. I am sorry and I will not reply to any more posts. Rosie
[meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
Ms. Hackney, Sorry, we are incapable of comprehending the difficulty you endure in attempting to communicate with those of lessor intelligence. It must be such a hardship for you. We, the mentally deficient of the list, will not miss the endless minutiae of your replies. Please, go play in the Mensa International forum. Their URL is: www.mensa.org S. Smith (Not much I.Q. I figure about 98.6, or is that my temperature?) Rosemary Hackney wrote: I am sorry to have offended so many. It seems in life all I do is open mouth to exchange feet. I so wish I could find a place to fit in.. I wish I could find the safe little world you guys have. But for me is not there. 100 IQ.. must be nice Since most have an IQ of 100 it is hard for the masses to understand anything above that. It is too foreign to their understanding. So to fit in.. I have to appear the fool. And am treated as such.I just wanted friends. But.. I do not fit in here either. I am sorry that friends were lost. I have friends with thousands of investigative pages on it. I told you what I know. Sorry it was not what you wanted to hear. Nothing I know, anyone wants to hear...So.. will say no more. I will read the posts...but I doubt I will respond again. If I know the answer, I will no longer say.My IQ... somewhere between 160 - 200. I think the 200 is about right. But .. in your eyes..I will always be a fool. So again.. I am sorry and I will not reply to any more posts.Rosie
[meteorite-list] new crater in siberia
Cash plea for space impact study By Dr David Whitehouse BBC News Online science editor http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2309117.stm Scientists investigating what is believed to be a significant fresh meteoroid impact crater in a remote part of Siberia are begging for funds to mount an expedition. A British meteorite expert has called on the international community to help Russian researchers get to the impact site, which may be of major scientific importance. It is imperative that US and UK funding bodies to support our Russian colleagues in their investigation of the Siberian impact Benny Peiser, John Moores University, Liverpool Hunters in the region say they have seen a large crater surrounded by burned forest. Vladimir Polyakov, of the Institute of Solar and Terrestrial Physics in Moscow, said: Specialists have no doubt that it is a meteorite that fell into the taiga on Thursday. Middle-power Earthquake Polyakov says there were more than 100 eyewitnesses to the event. He added that scientists believed them. He said instruments rarely recorded the impacts of meteoroids and so eyewitnesses were practically the only source of information for such events. Kirill Levi, vice-director of the Earth Crust Institute in Siberia, said: The seismic monitoring station located near the event site recorded the moment of impact recording seismic waves comparable to a middle-power earthquake. Vladimir Polyakov added that it was impossible to send a state-funded expedition to the site, which lies in Bodaibo district, Irkutsk region, without approval from the Meteorite Studies Center in Moscow. Bodaibo residents say they witnessed the fall of a very large, luminous body, which looked like a huge boulder. No funds Scientists in Irkutsk have sent a report to Moscow along with a request for funds to mount an expedition but have had no reply. Benny Peiser, of Liverpool John Moores University, UK, said: We appear to be dealing with a significant impact event. He told BBC News Online: It is imperative that US and UK funding bodies support our Russian colleagues in their investigation of the Siberian impact. The resources required for sending a scientific expedition to the epicentre of the event would be very moderate but could yield vital information about the impact threat that concerns every citizen of the world. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists Studying Two Big Craters On Earth Find Two Causes
http://www.news.uiuc.edu/scitips/02/1025craters.html News Bureau University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Champaign, Illinois Contact: Jim Kloeppel, Physical Sciences Editor (217) 244-1073; [EMAIL PROTECTED] October 25, 2002 Scientists studying two big craters on earth find two causes CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Two of the three largest impact craters on Earth have nearly the same size and structure, researchers say, but one was caused by a comet while the other was caused by an asteroid. These surprising results could have implications for where scientists might look for evidence of primitive life on Mars. Susan Kieffer of the University of Illinois at Urbana- Champaign, Kevin Pope of Geo Eco Arc Research and Doreen Ames of Natural Resources Canada analyzed the structure and stratigraphy of the 65 million-year-old Chicxulub crater in Mexico and the 1.8 billion-year-old Sudbury crater in Canada. Chicxulub is well preserved, but buried, and can be studied only by geophysical means, remote sensing and at a few distant sites on land where some ejecta is preserved. In contrast, Sudbury has experienced up to 4-6 kilometers of erosion, and is well exposed and highly studied by mining exploration companies because of its rich mineral resources. By working back and forth with data from the two craters, the researchers were able to re-create the structures and then estimate the amount of melt in each structure. The amount of melt is critical for determining if long-lived hot-water circulation systems that might host life forms could have been formed after the impacts. In their field studies, the researchers found that both craters were about 200 kilometers in diameter. In addition, they identified five ring-shaped structures with similar character and dimensions. A sixth ring -- the peak ring in the central basin -- was present at Chicxulub, but had been eroded away at Sudbury. While the size and structure of the two craters were similar, they differed greatly in the amount of impact melt that was produced, said Kieffer, who presented the team's findings at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America, held Oct. 27-30 in Denver. Through field studies, we determined that Chicxulub has about 18,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt, approximately four times the volume of water in Lake Michigan, Pope said. Sudbury has about 31,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt, approximately six times the volume of lakes Huron and Ontario combined, and nearly 70 percent more than the melt at Chicxulub. These differences in volume have significant implications about the amount of heat available to drive hot-water circulation systems. The researchers then used an analytical cratering model to examine possible causes for the huge difference in melt. According to the simulation results, the difference in melt volume could be readily explained if Chicxulub -- the impact crater that doomed the dinosaurs -- was formed by an asteroid and Sudbury was formed by a comet. Our calculation of 18,000 cubic kilometers of impact melt at Chicxulub agreed well with model estimates for an asteroid striking at a 45 degree angle, said Kieffer, the Walgreen Professor of Geology at Illinois. None of the comet impact examples came close to agreeing. In contrast, the Sudbury impact melt volume of 31,000 cubic kilometers fell between model estimates for a comet striking at an angle of 30-45 degrees, Kieffer said. Similarly, none of the asteroid impact examples came close to agreeing with the Sudbury melt volume. Another clue to the craters' origins lies in the impact melts themselves. The majority of the excess melt at Sudbury is in the form of a melt-rich breccia -- called suevite -- inside the crater. This material tends to form in impacts where the crustal target rock contains a lot of water. Sudbury has much more suevite in the preserved crater than Chicxulub. The mystery was that there probably wasn't a lot of water in the original rocks at Sudbury to account for the excess suevite, Kieffer said. But in a comet impact of this size, somewhere around 1,400-2,000 cubic kilometers of water from the comet gets mixed into the impact melt, and that could play a major role in disrupting the melt and creating the excess suevite. There is other independent evidence for an asteroid impact at Chicxulub, the team said, including the purported find of an asteroid fragment in an oceanic drill core, the amount of iridium spread around the world at the time of impact, and a telltale chromium 53 isotopic signature. By studying the origin and structure of large impact craters on Earth, scientists might narrow the search for life on Mars. At Sudbury, for example, there is evidence of a huge hydrothermal system that was driven by the heat of the impact melt, Ames said. As a result, there was widespread hot spring activity on the crater floor possibly capable of supporting life. The researchers are interested in extrapolating these conclusions about
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
Sorry, Rosie, but I don't think you qualify as the pariah of the list. We had one once, his name was Joel, and he hasn't been around in quite some time:-) As for theories regarding the downing of TWA Flight 800, one doesn't have to be an over-the-deep-end-paranoid-conspiracy-nut to entertain the missile theory. One has only to view this tape, a documentary that has convinced many experienced pilots that the government/FBI explanation was not truthful: http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=161 Nor in general does one have to be a conspiracy-nut to be distrustful of government explanations. Just living in the US for the past 50 odd years is sufficient to be wary of the Big Lie disguised as Truth. Cheers, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite's Location Found In Siberia
http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160msg_id=2818387startrow=1date=2002-10-28do_alert=0 Meteorite's Location Found In Siberia Alexander Batalin Russian Information Agency Novosti October 28, 2002 Scientists from Irkutsk (Siberia) have located the site in the Irkutsk Region's north where a meteorite fell on September 25 at night. According to Sergey Yazev, director of the Irkutsk State University's observatory, who returned last Sunday from an expedition, trees broken or chopped by the meteorite's fragments were found 37 km from the Mama settlement. No fragments of the sky body which exploded in the atmosphere have been found, as the area in the forest is covered with deep snow now. In spring, scientists from Irkutsk and their colleagues of the Russian Academy of Sciences Meteorite Committee are going to organise a more large-scale expedition. According to Yazev, the meteorite's stone must contain a substance having more than four billion years of age, which has a great value for studying the history of the solar system's formation. The meteorite's location was found due to the research of Irkutsk seismologists and an American satellite which fixed the flash of the sky body exploding in the air. Originally the meteorite was thought to have fallen in the Bodaibo district. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ron Baalke wrote:: According to Sergey Yazev, director of the Irkutsk State University's observatory, who returned last Sunday from an expedition, trees broken or chopped by the meteorite's fragments were found 37 km from the Mama settlement. No fragments of the sky body which exploded in the atmosphere have been found, as the area in the forest is covered with deep snow now. Hello Ron and List, especially those experts using metal detectors, This may be a dumb question but I have nil experience with metal detectors. Wouldn't it be possible to detect meteoritic debris with the help of high-precision metal detectors even if it is covered by several inches of snow? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This may be a dumb question but I have nil experience with metal detectors. Wouldn't it be possible to detect meteoritic debris with the help of high-precision metal detectors even if it is covered by several inches of snow? If the fragments were iron meteorites, then metal detectors would easily find them provided they are not too deep in the snow. Most metal detectors are going to be limited to about 6 inches (or less) in depth. Also, odds are are the fragments will be stony chondrites, and stony chondrites are a bit more difficult for a metal detector to pick up. I once took a number of meteorites to a store that sold metal detectors to test out. I tried out various types meteorites with about a dozen different metal detectors. They all had no problem with the irons and stony-irons. However, all of the metal detectors had problems detecting stony meteorites. I had to play with the detectors to fine-tune it to a particular stony meteorite, but once it was fined tuned for one meteorite, it would tend to ignore a lot of the other stony meteorites. I couldn't configure the detectors into a mode where it would pick up all or most of the stony chondrites. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Didn't the searchers propose doing something like this to locate the buried main mass of the Chinguetti meteorite, if it does exist? Put a very sensitive magnetometer on a helicopter or plane and fly a search pattern over the suspect area. Brought up in the September 2002 issue of Meteorite mag. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] URI Geoligist Tracking 'Cosmic Dust' With Help Of Local Teachers
http://www.news.uri.edu/releases/html/02-1010.html University of Rhode Island Department of Communications/News Bureau 22 Davis Hall, 10 Lippitt Road, Kingston, RI 0288 Phone: 401-874-2116 Fax: 401-874-7872 URI geologist tracking cosmic dust with help of local teachers KINGSTON, R.I. -- October 10, 2002 -- Every day tiny particles from meteorites fall to Earth and come to rest in backyards, schoolyards, parking lots and abandoned lots. In fact, according to Daniel Murray, a professor of geosciences at the University of Rhode Island, every night you're likely to find one on the hood of your car and on every other surface the size of the hood of your car. That's how the planet accumulates material. With the help of local middle and high school teachers and a grant from NASA and the Eisenhower Foundation, Murray and his colleague Jim Sammons are tracking these cosmic dust particles and other materials that travel around the globe on Earth's weather patterns. For the last two summers, Murray and Sammons have offered workshops to teach local science teachers how to collect, analyze and identify micrometeorites and other cosmic dust. They hope to recruit hundreds of teachers around the country to their effort, eventually posting their findings to a website and comparing the patterns of what they find with global weather patterns. This activity will provide my students with the opportunity to conduct real science in the classroom, not just canned, known-outcome book labs, said South Kingstown High School science teacher Kristin Klenk. Kids at this age think that we -- teachers, scientists -- have all the answers. The idea that no one has all the answers will be one of the biggest learning experiences in this project. If we had all the answers why would anyone conduct research? We don't know what we'll find. Other teachers from South Kingstown, North Kingstown, Narragansett, Exeter, Providence, Middletown, Portsmouth and West Warwick have also participated in the workshops and learned how to incorporate the lesson into their science curriculum. The activity was the brainchild of Sammons, a retired Jamestown teacher who now develops innovative science programs for educators. I'm always looking at science topics that get short shrift in middle and high school science classes, he said. Astronomy is one of those topics where, after learning the names of the planets, most schools don't get into any of the more detailed processes. Recently there has been tremendous improvement in the understanding of micrometeorites, so I started wondering how easy it would be to catch one of them. And it turned out to be very easy. The program grew from there to an open-ended investigation. Murray said that micrometeorites aren't the only dust that students are likely to collect in their science lesson. Soot from power plants, pollen from trees and plants, and bug parts are also commonly collected, among many other things. Last year Murray and Sammons traced a dust storm in the Gobi Desert in Mongolia and found that dust particles found their way to the eastern United States in just two weeks. Dust from the Sahara Desert in North Africa commonly blows across the Atlantic Ocean and ends up on the eastern seaboard as well. Teachers interested in learning more about Murray's workshops and his cosmic dust activities can contact him at 874-2197 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Media Contact: Todd McLeish 874-7892 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Leaving
I'm leaving this list. I truly don't see people talking about meteorites like they should. Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my experience, it is the so-called intelligentsia who succumb most readily to mass suggestion... - Albert Einstein __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite's Location Found In Siberia
Bernd and List, Metal detectors can work effectively through snow... if it isn't too deep. One of our list members, Ivan Koutyrev, and his partner, Vladimir, have successfully used a metal detector in their search for the Brahin pallasite. In fact, Ivan told me they actually prefer hunting over snow when using one of their specialized machines. First of all, fresh snow on the ground allows a hunter to easily see what area he has covered and what he hasn't. Secondly, all the pesky flies and mosquitoes that are present in tremendous hoards during the Summer and early Fall are gone. Finally, and most important, the snow actually makes using their particular machine easier. The type of metal detector used by Ivan and Vladimir is not your standard hand-held unit you might see being used on other meteorite hunts. They use a professional model manufactured by Lowrance that has a 4 foot square coil and is quite heavy and cumbersome. Rather than lug this huge coil around on a wand as with traditional metal detectors, the coil is mounted on an all plastic sled and pulled through the snow. If Ivan is currently monitoring the list, perhaps he can elaborate on the idea of hunting in snow. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:16 PM 10/28/02 +0100, Bernd Pauli HD wrote: Ron Baalke wrote:: According to Sergey Yazev, director of the Irkutsk State University's observatory, who returned last Sunday from an expedition, trees broken or chopped by the meteorite's fragments were found 37 km from the Mama settlement. No fragments of the sky body which exploded in the atmosphere have been found, as the area in the forest is covered with deep snow now. Hello Ron and List, especially those experts using metal detectors, This may be a dumb question but I have nil experience with metal detectors. Wouldn't it be possible to detect meteoritic debris with the help of high-precision metal detectors even if it is covered by several inches of snow? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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John, Bernd, Ron list members, I have, for ever so long time, yearned to witness a fall of a Eucrite over one inch of fresh snow, seeing countless specimens shining out with burnt sugar black clarity over gently sloped hillsides, with me trotting about with a gunny sack, gently filling it with marble to softball sized, 100% fusion crusted specimens, laughing like a mad man all the way on 10/28/02 11:22 AM, John Gwilliam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd and List, Metal detectors can work effectively through snow... if it isn't too deep. One of our list members, Ivan Koutyrev, and his partner, Vladimir, have successfully used a metal detector in their search for the Brahin pallasite. In fact, Ivan told me they actually prefer hunting over snow when using one of their specialized machines. First of all, fresh snow on the ground allows a hunter to easily see what area he has covered and what he hasn't. Secondly, all the pesky flies and mosquitoes that are present in tremendous hoards during the Summer and early Fall are gone. Finally, and most important, the snow actually makes using their particular machine easier. The type of metal detector used by Ivan and Vladimir is not your standard hand-held unit you might see being used on other meteorite hunts. They use a professional model manufactured by Lowrance that has a 4 foot square coil and is quite heavy and cumbersome. Rather than lug this huge coil around on a wand as with traditional metal detectors, the coil is mounted on an all plastic sled and pulled through the snow. If Ivan is currently monitoring the list, perhaps he can elaborate on the idea of hunting in snow. Best, John Gwilliam At 07:16 PM 10/28/02 +0100, Bernd Pauli HD wrote: Ron Baalke wrote:: According to Sergey Yazev, director of the Irkutsk State University's observatory, who returned last Sunday from an expedition, trees broken or chopped by the meteorite's fragments were found 37 km from the Mama settlement. No fragments of the sky body which exploded in the atmosphere have been found, as the area in the forest is covered with deep snow now. Hello Ron and List, especially those experts using metal detectors, This may be a dumb question but I have nil experience with metal detectors. Wouldn't it be possible to detect meteoritic debris with the help of high-precision metal detectors even if it is covered by several inches of snow? Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list What can you say about a society that says that God is dead and Elvis is alive? Irv Kupcinet -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Flyby Of Annefrank Asteroid To Help Stardust Prepare For Primary Mission
http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/news/2002archive/10-02archive/k102802.html University of Washington FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FROM: Vince Stricherz 206-543-2580 [EMAIL PROTECTED] DATE: Oct. 28, 2002 Flyby of Annefrank asteroid to help Stardust prepare for primary mission It will be a moment tinged with history when the Stardust spacecraft makes an encounter with Asteroid 5535 Annefrank this weekend. The flyby will test many of the systems and procedures to be used when Stardust makes its encounter with comet Wild 2 in little more than a year. It turns out to be a tremendous plus because you end up having a full dress rehearsal more than a year ahead of the encounter, said Donald Brownlee, a University of Washington astronomy professor who is the mission's chief scientist. It's a little like a dress rehearsal for a wedding - you expect things to be fine, but you practice just to make sure. If the unexpected does happen at the rehearsal, it's not a problem at the real ceremony. Stardust, launched in February 1999, is designed to capture particles from Wild 2 and return them to Earth for analysis. The spacecraft already has collected grains of interstellar dust. It is the first U.S. sample-return mission since the last moon landing in 1972. Brownlee described Annefrank as typical for asteroids found in the inner asteroid belt, just beyond the orbit of Mars. Stardust's main camera will capture images, but the asteroid's relatively small size (2½ miles across) and the spacecraft's distance (about 1,900 miles) mean the images won't be very detailed, he said. The closest approach to the asteroid will be at 8:50 p.m. PST (11:50 p.m. EST) on Friday. We're just fortunate to have a target there that we can approach at this time, he said. Asteroid 5535 was discovered by prolific German asteroid hunter Karl Reinmuth in March 1942 but was not named Annefrank until long after World War II. The discovery came barely three months before Frank, a Jewish teenager, joined her parents, her sister and four others hiding from the Nazis in Amsterdam, Holland. For two years the group remained in their hideaway, subsisting with help from a small circle of outsiders. Anne recorded their life and her thoughts in a diary that was to become one of the world's most famous books. The group was discovered in 1944 and sent to Nazi concentration camps. All except Anne's father perished. Otto Frank survived the war and returned to Amsterdam, where he published his daughter's diary. Now Annefrank happens to be the asteroid that lies on the right course to help Stardust and its controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., prepare for the tasks they face come Jan. 2, 2004. On that day, Stardust will fly within 75 miles of Wild 2's main body, close enough to trap small particles from the coma, the gas-and-dust envelope surrounding the comet's nucleus. Stardust will be traveling at about 13,400 miles per hour and will capture comet particles traveling at the speed of a bullet fired from a rifle. The main camera, built for NASA's Voyager program, will transmit the closest-ever comet pictures back to Earth. There are differences, however, between how the spacecraft will function during the Annefrank flyby and the comet encounter. For one thing, if it runs into serious problems during the asteroid encounter it will be able to go into safe mode, where the spacecraft turns its solar power collectors toward the sun and essentially protects itself. But when it approaches Wild 2 (pronounced Vilt two), Stardust will be working without a net - the safe mode function will be turned off. Brownlee said the Annefrank flyby is a very good test, the kind that ideally every mission should have. Such tests are particularly important, he said, for low-cost missions such as those in the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Discovery program, of which Stardust is a part. When we have the comet encounter, we want as few first-time events as possible, Brownlee said. This fortunate opportunity at the asteroid increases our probability of success next year at the comet. Besides the UW and JPL, the Stardust collaboration includes Lockheed Martin Astronautics. ### For more information, contact Brownlee at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (206) 543-8575. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Jonathan, I would hope you'd re-consider leaving this list. I have belonged to this list for several years now, and while there are times the subject matter seems to be a bit off the plumb, and there are (ahem) petty squabbles, there is alot of very valuable and useful information which can be gleaned. I myself also belong to (because I'm in law enforcement and specialize in gangs) three gang list servers, and one intelligence list server. There is also petty professional bickering that goes on within those as well. I would venture to say that all list servers and their communities have their share of problems and differences. I guess that's the lay of the land and it's territory. These list servers are made up of people, and inasmuch, come replete with opinions, disagreements, conjecture, joking, commmunity, and yes...knowledge. My advise to you is to, stay with usand only open a post that interests you. Sometimes if I have been away from the computer for 5-6 days and haven't checked my e-mail, getting through meteorite-central list server posting can seem pretty daunting. Do I have time to carefully examine 140 new posts? Nope. I look at the subject line only and if it interests me, I'll open it up. Why..even the petty squabbles can at times be educational in natureshowing humanity in all it's color. So...hope you'll re-consider. Best to you Jonathan, Steven L. Sachs / IMCA #9210 ---BeginMessage--- I'm leaving this list. I truly don't see people talking about meteorites like they should. Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my experience, it is the so-called intelligentsia who succumb most readily to mass suggestion... - Albert Einstein __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
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Hi Steven and List, These list servers are made up of people, and inasmuch, come replete with opinions, disagreements, conjecture, joking, commmunity, and This is true. I belong to several list servers dealing with astronomy and telescopes and things can get a little out of hand and off topic at times on these lists as well. Just part of the landscape when 500+ people belong to a list. -Walter --- Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 USA www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] Leaving Jonathan, I would hope you'd re-consider leaving this list. I have belonged to this list for several years now, and while there are times the subject matter seems to be a bit off the plumb, and there are (ahem) petty squabbles, there is alot of very valuable and useful information which can be gleaned. I myself also belong to (because I'm in law enforcement and specialize in gangs) three gang list servers, and one intelligence list server. There is also petty professional bickering that goes on within those as well. I would venture to say that all list servers and their communities have their share of problems and differences. I guess that's the lay of the land and it's territory. These list servers are made up of people, and inasmuch, come replete with opinions, disagreements, conjecture, joking, commmunity, and yes...knowledge. My advise to you is to, stay with usand only open a post that interests you. Sometimes if I have been away from the computer for 5-6 days and haven't checked my e-mail, getting through meteorite-central list server posting can seem pretty daunting. Do I have time to carefully examine 140 new posts? Nope. I look at the subject line only and if it interests me, I'll open it up. Why..even the petty squabbles can at times be educational in natureshowing humanity in all it's color. So...hope you'll re-consider. Best to you Jonathan, Steven L. Sachs / IMCA #9210 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Jason and Peter?
I am hoping you two will read your meteorite-list, because i wanted to send you some images of you two that I took at Cuddeback. I do not have the right email address of yours. Thanks, Moni _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] pariah of the list DELETE mine
Dooohh, Dear List; I have used the delete key as instructed...it is the one my about a 100 IQ brain remembers is over there above a little and on the left a fairly long stretch, it is labeled Delete. If we all did this to the clowns that post frequent annoyances ...maybe they would all go away and not waste band with. Best deletes, and band with waster, DAve Freeman (maybe my IQ is also 98.6) (is common sense and being normal enough not to be obnoxious factored in to the IQ thing too?) Like a Stupid factor of 10 or something? Stephen E. Smith wrote: Ms. Hackney, Sorry, we are incapable of comprehending the difficulty you endure in attempting to communicate with those of lessor intelligence. It must be such a hardship for you. We, the mentally deficient of the list, will not miss the endless minutiae of your replies. Please, go play in the Mensa International forum. Their URL is: www.mensa.org S. Smith (Not much I.Q. I figure about 98.6, or is that my temperature?) Rosemary Hackney wrote: I am sorry to have offended so many. It seems in life all I do is open mouth to exchange feet. I so wish I could find a place to fit in.. I wish I could find the safe little world you guys have. But for me is not there. 100 IQ.. must be nice Since most have an IQ of 100 it is hard for the masses to understand anything above that. It is too foreign to their understanding. So to fit in.. I have to appear the fool. And am treated as such.I just wanted friends. But.. I do not fit in here either.I am sorry that friends were lost. I have friends with thousands of investigative pages on it. I told you what I know. Sorry it was not what you wanted to hear. Nothing I know, anyone wants to hear...So.. will say no more. I will read the posts...but I doubt I will respond again. If I know the answer, I will no longer say.My IQ... somewhere between 160 - 200. I think the 200 is about right. But .. in your eyes..I will always be a fool. So again.. I am sorry and I will not reply to any more posts.Rosie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leaving
Dear Jonathan, Many of us have talked about meteorites for years. When something new comes along, we get all excited and talk then. In the mean time we just torment each other like workers in the adult work place because we are bored waiting for something new to talk about. If you could have came to the list four years earlier, you would have four years of talking about meteorites under your belt by now and you could also join us in the boredom and jesting that comes with four years of knowledge in the meteoritic field. Have you tried a Teens meteorite chat room? I am sure there would much to talk about. Peaked early, DAve Freeman Jonathan Gore wrote: I'm leaving this list. I truly don't see people talking about meteorites like they should. Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my experience, it is the so-called intelligentsia who succumb most readily to mass suggestion... - Albert Einstein __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IQ: OT
Good evening All... As I remember from being an art teacher, the Standard IQ examination tests only 6 of the over 120 right brain'slinear thinkingfunctions like adding numbers, socially bias questions,etc. and NONE of the left brain attributes...where there are more than 90...like art, poetry, singing, performing, daydreaming, imagination, intuitive skills, music, dancing, looking for animal shapes in clouds, didactive imagery skills, and... meteorite collecting! Intelligence alone is certainly no criteria of either wisdom or maturity...both of which can be seen lacking at times...we have a few list members who love to..."pole vault over mouse turds"...and make a big issue out of absolutely nothing...petty jealousies. rivalries, immaturity and the like need to be overlooked by those with the higher degree of maturity for they are responsible for maintaining unity. A must for the list to grow and prosper...and, who wants to admit they are immature... What I have gleaned from this list has changed my life, and made all the difference... by opening up a world that I never knew existed...meteorites is awonderful hobby...and, I am grateful for those who have given of their time to help me learn...Thank you! I want no one to leave ... Our diversity is our strength here, and we need to have room for accepting all our list members...no one should be made to feel they are being 'shut out' by their e-mails, remarks, opinions or comments. I have learned to make a distinction between the person and the words... the result being I have a few more friends and try to remember what Art Carney said on the "Honeymooners" Show...that life is like a sewer...We only get out of it what we put into it... If I had had more time I would have said less... Waldron Cluett IMCA 9746Toad Hollow Gallery Handcrafted Jewelry2517 Wakefield Road (Rte. 153)Wakefield, NH 03872 (603)522-6529visit us on line at: http://groups.msn.com/ToadHollowHappenings Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
[meteorite-list] It's Amateur Night in Space
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/solar_system/features/neo.cfm It's Amateur Night in Space Contact: JPL/Charli Schuler (818) 354-3965 October 22, 2002 See also a Flash animation called 'Keeping An Eye on Space Rocks': http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/templates/flash/neo/neo.htm How would you like to discover a near-Earth object without leaving your own backyard? It's possible. On July 2, 2000, amateur astronomer and public schoolteacher Leonard L. Amburgey stumbled upon the near-Earth asteroid 2000 NM using a modest telescope in his backyard in Fitchburg, Mass. Amburgey became the fourth winner of the James Benson Prize for Discovery Methods of Near-Earth Objects by Amateurs. The first amateur to win the cash prize was Arizona resident Roy Tucker, who found an Earth-orbit crossing asteroid from his backyard using a Celestron 14-inch telescope and a self-designed camera. There are some very sophisticated amateur astronomers out there and we rely upon them to help monitor the future motions of Earth-approaching comets and asteroids, said Dr. Don Yeomans, JPL manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office. Amateur astronomers are making a big difference in helping NASA keep an eye on the comets and asteroids that can get close to Earth. While NASA-supported professional astronomers discover the vast majority of near-Earth asteroids, amateur astronomers provide many of the follow-up observations needed to pinpoint the orbits and predict the future motions of the asteroids. Once a new near-Earth asteroid is discovered, the efficiency with which amateurs provide these follow-up observations allows larger professional telescope facilities to continue scanning the skies for more new discoveries. The study of near-Earth objects is not only important for monitoring Earth-threatening objects, but also for understanding how the solar system formed from these bodies. Comets are the leftover bits and pieces from the formation of the outer solar system, which occurred some 4.6 billion years ago. Asteroids are the debris left from the inner solar system formation process. Comets and asteroids are also important because they brought to the early Earth some of the water and carbon-based molecules from which life formed. But how does one discover a near-Earth object? The most successful near-Earth object hunters are those who can scan large areas of dark sky each night with large aperture telescopes. Some amateur astronomers, like Bill Yeung, are able to set up their own private observatories. Yeung, who discovered his first 15 asteroids by renting a 16 telescope that was a 2-hour drive away from his home in Canada, now observes the sky with several powerful telescopes running each night at his Desert Eagle Observatory in Benson, Ariz. He has made 1732 asteroid discoveries, including the object recently identified as J002E3 that turned out to be an Apollo 12 rocket stage. This discovery is highlighted on the JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office Web page at: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov . Most asteroids are discovered when their motions, relative to the fixed background of stars, give them away. Professional telescopic surveys can capture images of a particular region of sky three or more times several minutes apart. These images are compared to see if any bright stars are actually moving, revealing them as potential near-Earth objects. Amateur astronomers study the variations in the amount of sunlight that asteroids reflect as they rotate in space. Based on these observations, astronomers can determine the asteroid's rotation period and often the orientation of its rotation axis in space. They can also infer certain characteristics of the asteroid, such as its size and shape. Amateur astronomers are particularly adept at discovering comets. Comets appear fuzzy when their ices vaporize near the Sun, releasing dust particles that reflect sunlight. Amateur astronomers have been very successful in discovering some of the brighter comets by scanning the skies for fuzzy bright spots in the twilight and pre-dawn skies. The most recent impressive comet (Hale-Bopp), seen in the spring of 1997, was discovered by two amateur astronomers, Alan Hale and Thomas Bopp. One area where amateur astronomers have outdone the professionals is in discovering near-Sun comets. Using digital images of a region of space near the Sun provided in near-real time on the Internet by the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory project, amateur astronomers have actually identified several hundred kamikaze comets. These tiny icy comets, most of which are fragments from a once larger comet, destroy themselves as they plunge toward the solar inferno. What do I do if I find a near-Earth object? Should an amateur astronomer make an asteroid or comet finding, they should contact the Minor Planet Center, part of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass. The Minor Planet Center makes the
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest#8
May be too late for this, been out of town. Where would I go? To an area of Chile which I cannot disclose for obvious reasons. Overnight a mine road was peppered with numerous craters ranging from several inches to nearly eight feet in diameter and as much as three feet deep, with substantial material thrown beyond the rims. Bulldozers and graders were brought in to make the road usable, but nobody has searched for whatever made the craters. Until I get the backing to get there, I'll just dream of my buried cache of pallasites waiting for me. Larry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
My IQ... somewhere between 160 - 200. I think the 200 is about right. But .. in your eyes..I will always be a fool. I don't think having a high IQ means one couldn't be a fool...perhaps an intelligent fool, but a fool all the same. GeoZay __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
I am sending this to the listit is part of what I sent to Rosie after reading this post. I am by far not the smartest person on this list, nor do I have all the answers...I do know that there is NOT a single individual on this list that can claim either of those titles. I have always thought that anyone could express an opinion/idea to this list and it could/would be acceptable. I do not have any idea what was sent to Rosie that made her run away with such force, but I wonder if it was really necessary to say. Here is part of what I told her. I hope that everyone on this list will take the time to read it. It probably isn't that profound, but it is my thoughts on the matter. Rosie, I for one will not accept your bowing out. Do not let those intellectual mental midgets push you out! Your opinion is guaranteed by the constitution of the USA and you have the same right to give your opinion...Right or Wrong. TWA 800 was a tragedy...that much is indisputable. Our Navy/government has made grave errors in the past and have shot down civilian targets by mistake in the Persian Gulf so it is not like it could never happen. And with so many 747 type aircraft flying for over 30 years I think it is also possible that this electrical problem would have cause a major problem already. Our government keeps us in the dark about alot of issuesmaybe for our own good. Too many of us want to know the truth and maybe sometimes the truth is so much simpler than any of us would be willing to believe that it would only make things worse if we knew. Other truths maybe be so much darker than any of us would care to hear or even need to hear. Imagine for a moment if you willRoswell DID happen and we are not alone...what would happen to organized religion? The Pope would be out of a job, ALL religions would be nothing more than fables, billions of people all over the world would lose the faith that gives them the only hope they have sometimes in a otherwise hopeless world. Now that is not to say that even with the presence of other more/less intelligent life forms in the universe that there is not still a "God" that created it all. Hell if I were omnipotent with the power of God I know I would surely create many types of life in many placesbeings and being alive is much too special to give to only one smelly ape-like creation on one world. To guarantee success of any type of creation one would have to create many forms, for surely many would doom themselves to extinction. Yet should Roswell or any other encounters be true all governments would have to be very careful with that knowledge. Many people fear that our/their government can not guarantee their safety now, how would it be if they knew that beings existed that had knowledge and technology far beyond our own comprehension? Again mass panic would ensue, others would be desperate to exploit that technology to enslave the masses and profit for themselves. I am not making a case for ET's, or conspiracies, the existence or non-existence of a God or proving or disproving evolution. I am saying that NO ONE person can HONESTLY say they have all the correct answers. My point to all this is that some people are never willing to accept any ideas, opinions, or concepts beyond their own. If everyone with differing views hid their heads in the sand when they were shouted down there would be no freedom, no evolution, no advancement of anything. Cherish your freedom, shout back when necessary, stand your ground, you are a human, and an American and by those measurements you have a right to any opinion you like and as long as our flag flies over this land you have a right to speak your mind. Keep in mind all those many that gave their lives to preserve that right, you owe it to them to practice what they died for. Those that shout back are entitled to do so, they are not however allowed to quiet those that differ from their narrow view of the world, sometimes the smartest among us are the least knowledgeable...Flatlanders is what I call them. They live in their own little worlds, a nice and tidy, made to order so that they can cope with their own insecurities. I ask that you reconsider your silence, RosieI for one would be less knowledgeable without your opinion. Maybe some on this list will get something out of this. I do not know who killed JFK, whether ET exists, or if we are the product of creation or evolution. I do know that anything is possible and would like everyone to remember that no matter how indisputable some facts have been over the eons, there have been some facts that turned out to be not so factual after all. Nothing is for sure, and it is not right for anyone to feel that they can belittle another human being because their beliefs are not yours. Lets stick to meteorites, there is always alot about them that none of us are for sure about, and that means we all have alot we can
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
I think IQ is over rated and misused. Most times, people aren't judged by how smart they are, but how foolish they act. The guy driving the BMW 750IL while talking on his cell phone and reading a prospectus during rush hour traffic at 50 mph is the perfect example. He'll possibly do very well on any test he takes, but is judged a horrible driver by most on the same commute because he isn't keeping his mind where it needs to be. So, don't take slams about your intelligence to heart, most often its out of a sense of inferiority. And you probally don't drive to work and endanger people, so let it slide and understand what prompts it. On the other hand, should you drive a BMW750IL and talk - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list My IQ... somewhere between 160 - 200. I think the 200 is about right. But .. in your eyes..I will always be a fool. I don't think having a high IQ means one couldn't be a fool...perhaps an intelligent fool, but a fool all the same. GeoZay __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pariah of the list
Hi List Ok, I gots a pondering problem. And I'd like some feedback. I've tried to etch some irons I have, to no avail, yet. I would like to know if anyone has etched their own, and how polished are the slices? I've tried one I recieved that was polished very brightly, and it is now just dull. So, I was also working on another myself and ground it flat, then put it to the 1200 grit and tried to etch it, but got nothing (it did look better than the piece I had bought already polished though). I'm just about ready to say maybe my nital isn't of the correct concentration, but before I dump it into the waste bottle I like to hear some insight from others. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
