[meteorite-list] Post-Tucson collection sale
Still need to do some serious fundraising. No wiggle-room on these prices; we're down to the bargain basement here. These numbers are good until the 1st. Pics available of all specimens, but please ask only if you're really interested; they are big files and take forever to send... Bjurbole 516 grams exterior fragment $1750 Camel Donga 462 grams complete individual 8000 Crab Orchard 66.7 grams part slice 2000 Esquel 149 grams part slice 1500 Johnstown 136 grams cut fragment w/crust 1 Juanchenge 125 grams complete individual 400 Naryilco 650 grams crusted end piece 2000 Tuxtuac 306 grams crusted fragment 1500 Thanks to the buyers from my last listing... Bruce Wegmann __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Astronomers have revealed how they came within minutes of alerting the world to a potential asteroid strike last month. Some scientists believed on 13 January that a 30m object, later designated 2004 AS1, had a one-in-four chance of hitting the planet within 36 hours. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3517319.stm Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out? Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross Yamaguchi University, Japan, Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher The time window for this stream ends at about 2008. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
[meteorite-list] IMCA: is the education the only answer?
Dear list members, I'm not still a IMCA member (the application is pending) but I want to express my opinion about the IMCA strategy against the fraudulent auctions. Magellon wrote: [about glassface1] IMCA is the answer. The more new persons who join, the more who will be educated to the glassface1's. Ok, but: A) the IMCA website was down and there wasn't a backup site. It was harder to know what exactly the IMCA is and what it does. At the moment very few people know the new address (www.IMCA.cc) and the change of domain affected negatively the association. It's very important to have one trustful address to add to the business cards. B) to educate himself joining this list is not an easy n' fast way. First of all he has to subscribe. Newbies prefers to read dummy-proof webpages. Second problem there are a lot of messages. A newbie with a still weak motivation could abandon the list early. Last but not least there is a very low newbie_topics/advanced_topics messages ratio. C) the solution to the frauds cannot be _only_ the education. A lot of first time meteorite buyers do not dream to become a meteorite expert with a huge collection. They just want to buy a genuine piece of matter coming from the outer space. When someone decides to educate himself subscribing this list he already know the fake-meteorites auctions problem. Knowing this problem is the main thing! A lot of newbie with low ebay-experience believe to what they read in the object description. Due the ebay buyer protection they feels safe and so they buy. When a non-this_list-subscribed ebay user wonder about the authenticity of a meteorite in an near-ending auction he looks for a fast answer. For example how can a non-subscribed guy can be aware about the glassface1 thread? Subscribing the list will not help him: the messages about glassface1 are already gone and subscribing and waiting for an answer takes days. Also searching in old messages is an inefficient and slow process. My suggestion is to put on the IMCA website an easy to reach page with the current suspected auctions. Something like this: -- RISKY AUCTIONS auction fraud risk problem 22 meteorwrong galaxy meteorites are homemade plastic sculptures 23 medium doubtful image, the seller is 0 feedback 24 highdoubtful images, the seller is a well known fake meteorite seller ASK US an opinion about a doubtful auction not listed above. Click here to see past suspected auctions. Disclaimer The opinions stated in this page are only meteorite experts opinions based on available informations. Please do not sue us. -- The link ASK US may take the user to a form where he could send a preformatted synthetic signalling message to this list and so on... the loop is closed. It would be useful also a faq of this list and a synthetic guide to meteorwrongs including links to the best written pages about this topic. (I do not remember if these things were already presents on the IMCA website) What do you think about this idea? bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA new domain
At 13.49 21/02/2004 EST, Impactika wrote: We also had a major problem with our web site (Thanks to Yahoo) but that has now been fixed and the site is alive and well at a new address: www.IMCA.cc. Of course the address on all the logos now has to be changed. Is it a temporary domain or is it the definitive address? Is it businnes card ready? :) Just one question... why .cc ? Cocos Islands? I mean, meteoritecollectors.com was free... bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Hello List, Dirk said; Don`t worry the next one or two will hit Best target NE-E USA or Canada Well lets all hope for NE-E USA, with Canada's (export collecting) meteorite laws we don't need it hitting there! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out? Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross Yamaguchi University, Japan, Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher The time window for this stream ends at about 2008. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Advanced Warning
Dear List, I've been saying for years now that the amount of meteorites falling is increasing drastically. Never-the-less it worries me that some hope for it to strike somewhere(where they aren"t). What's happening to a society that thinks like this? Nels
RE: [meteorite-list] Advanced Warning
Nels, what makes you think that meteorites are falling more frequently? Could it be that, due to better communication and denser population, they are OBSERVED more frequently? I havent seen any indication that actually the falls are increasing. Have you? Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nelson oakes Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Advanced Warning Dear List, I've been saying for years now that the amount of meteorites falling is increasing drastically. Never-the-less it worries me that some hope for it to strike somewhere(where they arent). What's happening to a society that thinks like this? Nels image001.jpg
RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Dirk, Mind you, there probably isnt much point in telling the world, what would we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a few minutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on fur coats and food for the coming nuclear winter, not much else we could do! But hey - If Im gonna go, Id rather it be death-by-meteorite Mark Ford -Original Message- From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52 To: mark ford; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out? Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross Yamaguchi University, Japan, Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher The time window for this stream ends at about 2008. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.
[meteorite-list] Ariane 5 Is In The Launch Zone With Its Rosetta Payload
http://www.arianespace.com/site/news/news_sub_missionupdate_index.html Arianespace Flight 158 February 24, 2004 Ariane 5 is in the launch zone with its Rosetta payload The ELA-3 launch zone at Europe's Spaceport is once again alive with activity following the rollout of Flight 158's Ariane 5 this morning. Emerging into the sunlight at 3:30 p.m., the completed Ariane 5 moved along a 2.8-km.-long dual rail line that links the Final Assembly Building with the launch zone. Flight 158's Ariane 5 Generic vehicle is installed on a massive mobile launch table, which was locked into position in the ELA-3 launch zone after its arrival at approximately 4:20 p.m. This positioned it over large flame ducts that direct exhaust from Ariane 5's two solid rocket motors and the core stage's Vulcain cryogenic main engine. Liftoff of Flight 158 will occur in the early morning hours of February 26. This mission uses a very specific launch slot instead of the typical launch window for Ariane 5 missions that carry geostationary satellite payloads. Because of the unique mission profile with the Rosetta comet-intercept spacecraft, the exact launch time has been set for 49 seconds past 4:36 a.m. The duration of Flight 158 also is unusual for an Ariane 5 mission. After liftoff, booster separation and burnout of the central core stage, Ariane 5's EPS upper stage will enter a prolonged ballistic phase, followed by its delayed ignition at almost 2 hours after liftoff. Rosetta will then be separated from the stage approximately 14 minutes later, embarking on an Earth escape trajectory that will lead to its encounter with Comet Churyumov-Gerasimenko in 2014. Rosetta was developed in a European Space Agency program and was built by an industrial team involving more than 50 contractors from 14 European countries and the United States. The prime spacecraft contractor is Astrium Germany, and major subcontractors are Astrium UK (for the spacecraft platform), Astrium France (spacecraft avionics) and Alenia Spazio (assembly, integration and verification). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn's Early Light - February 2004
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/dawn/newsletter/html/20040226/ D A W N ' S E A R L Y L I G H TFebruary 2004 Volume 3, Issue 1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The fourth issue of the Dawn team newsletter, Dawn's Early Light, has been posted on the Dawn website. http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/dawn/newsletter/html/20040226/ Dawn Mission Status Dawn is Confirmed to Proceed to Launch Christopher T. Russell Dawn Principal Investigator, UCLA The Dawn team is pleased to announce that on February 6, Dawn was confirmed and approved to move into its implementation phase. In response to an increasing emphasis within the NASA Office of Space Science to mitigating risks of schedule slips and growth in cost, mass and power consumption, there has been increasing scrutiny of all flight programs, and Dawn is no exception. To address this changing risk posture we took steps to improve the mission's technical margins and our financial and schedule reserves. As a result, there have been several changes in the mission profile since the original Concept Study Report. These have increased the robustness of the mission but at some expense to the science return. The first adjustment to the mission was an increase in the solar array output so that Dawn can always operate its ion thrusters even at Ceres aphelion, and with adequate margin (15%) that could allow for unexpected power requirements. Additionally, JPL design principles now call for 20% mass margin at this phase in the program. Originally Dawn had not used these margins because of the high degree of experience gained in DS1 and the high heritage from prior Orbital spacecraft. Now it has become imperative to comply with the recommended mass margins for a program to be confirmed by NASA. Also required were at least 25% cost reserves at confirmation. The increased mass, power margin, and cost reserve requirements could be accommodated either by moving the Ceres rendezvous into an extended mission category or by taking reductions in the science return at both target bodies. The latter option was deemed more valuable and the mission was replanned accordingly. In order to fit the mission into the tighter mass and power box, a Mars flyby was inserted into the trajectory, but this delayed Vesta and Ceres arrival and thus increased the operations costs. Dawn could not afford to extend its time in space and remain within the cost box. The Dawn spacecraft provider, Orbital Sciences Corporation made a generous contribution to the Dawn project that allowed the project to re-balance risk across the various elements and achieve its prime measurements within the cost cap and with responsible technical and cost reserves. However, sacrifices were made to achieve this scenario. First, the stay times at Vesta and Ceres have been reduced from 11 months at each body to 7 months at Vesta and 5 months at Ceres. This amount of time allows all imaging and mapping spectrometer data to be obtained, and achieves the prime objectives of the gamma ray and neutron detector (GRaND) and gravity investigations, but the stay time does not allow the spacecraft to spiral down as far as originally planned so that resolution of GRaND and the gravity data are somewhat reduced. Part of the increase in the mass margin and cost reserve has also come from the deletion of the magnetometer and its boom. The Dawn Laser Altimeter had been previously deleted before the Preliminary Design Review. While the magnetometer was on the descope list in the approved mission, the value of this instrument had been increasing as we learned more about Vesta and Ceres. Vesta almost certainly has an iron core and may have similar crustal magnetization as Mars, while Ceres appears to be an ice planet with water-ice mantle, and rocky core similar to Europa, Ganymede and Callisto. For Ceres and these Galilean moons, thermal evolution models suggest that there may be liquid water underneath the icy crust even today. A magnetometer is the only certain way to detect the existence of such a layer. Dawn has a continuum of descope options remaining that provide increased mass margin and still return much of the key objectives. Mass growth beyond the held margin can be accommodated by reducing the stay time at the bodies to the science floor (4 months at each body), and raising the lowest observing altitude. Conversely, if the mission performs close to or above the nominal mission specifications, then the spacecraft can stay longer and go lower in its orbits about Vesta and Ceres, increasing the science return of the mission. In other words, the remaining descopes are entirely recoverable if the flight system performance allows it. Figure 1 illustrates the new mission scenario. The Dawn Science Team is thrilled to have the opportunity to move ahead with the mission to visit both Vesta and Ceres, and welcomes the participation
RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
We might not be able to do anything about the impact, as in preventing it, but surely there would be alot that could be done to lessen catestrophic damage. If the impact was known about 18 hours in adavnce, I'd be willing to bet that very shortly afterwards, with the resources of the entire world (instead of just 2 telescopes doing automated survays) behind the effort it wouldnt take long to find the region of the planet an impact was likely going to uccur in. After that it would be much like a hurricane warning, except with a bit less notice. a half a day before landfall of a major hurricane unpridicitibility of the path of a major storm oftentimes puts MANY millions of people on alert. people could evacuate, or prepair to shelter in place. emergancy services would be ramped up and ready to respond should the impact occur in a highly populated area, ect. From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:39 - Dirk, Mind you, there probably isn't much point in telling the world, what would we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a few minutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on fur coats and food for the coming 'nuclear winter', not much else we could do! But hey - If I'm gonna go, I'd rather it be 'death-by-meteorite' Mark Ford -Original Message- From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52 To: mark ford; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out? Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross Yamaguchi University, Japan, Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher The time window for this stream ends at about 2008. _ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailtag_us/*http:/antispam.yahoo.com/tools?tool= 1 - Read only the mail you want. _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images - February 19-25, 2004
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES February 19-25, 2004 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o Yardangs in Gordii Dorsum Region (Released 19 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/19/index.html o Martian Meteor Crater (Released 20 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/20/index.html o Small Landslide in Kasei (Released 21 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/21/index.html o Wind vs. Dust Devil Streaks (Released 22 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/22/index.html o Wind Streak and Crater (Released 23 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/23/index.html o South Polar Layer Remnants (Released 24 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/24/index.html o Gullied Martian Slop (Released 25 February 2004 http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/02/25/index.html All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Early warning would definitely be helpful so we could sell off our collections before the bottom falls out the meteorite market! Howard"stan ." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We might not be able to do anything about the impact, as in preventing it, but surely there would be alot that could be done to lessen catestrophic damage. If the impact was known about 18 hours in adavnce, I'd be willing to bet that very shortly afterwards, with the resources of the entire world (instead of just 2 telescopes doing automated survays) behind the effort it wouldnt take long to find the region of the planet an impact was likely going to uccur in.After that it would be much like a hurricane warning, except with a bit less notice. a half a day before landfall of a major hurricane unpridicitibility of the path of a major storm oftentimes puts MANY millions of people on alert. people could evacuate, or prepair to shelter in place. emergancy services would be ramped up and ready to respond should the impact occur in a highly populated area, ect.From: "mark ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:39 -Dirk,Mind you, there probably isn't much point in telling the world, whatwould we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a fewminutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on furcoats and food for the coming 'nuclear winter', not much else we coulddo!But hey - If I'm gonna go, I'd rather it be 'death-by-meteorite'Mark Ford-Original Message-From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52To: mark ford; meteorite-listSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warningabout asteroid impact..Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two willhit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Masspanic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA orCanadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out?Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best toyou.Sincerely,Dirk RossYamaguchi University, Japan,Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact ResearcherThe time window for this stream ends at about 2008. _Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard1 - Read only the mail you want._Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Sau 001 deals?
Hello List, who has the best prices on SAU 001 individuals or is ebay going to be the best bet for finding a nice one with out paying to much? SAU 001 is quickly becoming my favorite stone meteorite, too nice Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chinguetti mystery - the one that got away
Thank you erverybody, I have got something to read :-) Anyone know about pic´s of the great magnetite body ? Lars
[meteorite-list] Famous meteorites - pic´s
Hi agin I am looking for high resolution photos of famous meteorites. They are just for my own enjoyment. Anyone have or know where to find such pic´s ? Thanks in advance Lars Pedersen
[meteorite-list] Two Naked-Eye Comets At Once! - C/2001 Q4 (NEAT) C/2002 T7 (LINEAR)
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0409.html Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Release No.: 04-09 For Release: February 25, 2004 Note to Editors: A photograph of Comet C/2002 T7 (LINEAR) taken with a MicroObservatory robotic telescope is online at http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0409image.html. Two Naked-Eye Comets At Once! Cambridge, MA - A naked-eye comet - one visible to the unaided eye without telescope or binoculars - is an enjoyable sight, particularly for the brighter comets. On average, a naked-eye comet graces our skies about once every two years. However, most remain fairly faint or appear close to the Sun as seen from Earth, such that even experienced observers may require binoculars to spot them. Only rarely do two relatively bright naked-eye comets appear simultaneously. Such an event will take place in April and May of 2004, when skygazers will feast their eyes upon both Comets C/2001 Q4 (NEAT) and C/2002 T7 (LINEAR). Astronomer Dan Green (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics), Director of the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams (CBAT), said, As the clearinghouse for comet discoveries, CBAT has known of these comets for a long time. We have monitored them, collecting observations from around the world. If they brighten as predicted, then both may be visible to the naked eye in late April and part of May. If you haven't seen a comet, this is a great opportunity to go out and look at one. Dirty Snowballs Historically, bright comets were interpreted as portents of doom, as in 1066 when the appearance of a comet, later known as Comet Halley, was blamed for the defeat of the Saxons at the Battle of Hastings. Comets were thought to be vaporous exhalations of the Earth, merely atmospheric phenomena. Only as science advanced in the 16th and 17th centuries were they recognized as true denizens of the solar system. The object most people visualize when they hear the word comet actually has three components - a small, irregular nucleus; a spherical, gaseous coma surrounding it; and a broad, sweeping tail. The cometary nucleus is the source of the gas and dust that create a comet's dramatic appearance. In 1950, Harvard astronomer Fred Whipple coined the term dirty snowball to describe a comet's nucleus. He began studying comets at a time when little was known about them, but he said, It turns out they were simple. The nucleus is a chunk of ice and rock ranging in size from 100 yards or less up to several miles in diameter. Frozen gases (ices) of water, carbon dioxide, and methane are mixed with dust and rock into a conglomeration much like chocolate chip ice cream. As the comet nears the Sun, the Sun's heat vaporizes those ices, puffing off clouds of gas and dust that surround the nucleus to form a glowing coma. Radiation pressure from the Sun, combined with the solar wind, then sweep material from the coma outward to form a tail that can stretch across millions of miles of space. Scientists are interested in comets for a number of reasons. Comets are thought to have formed in the outer reaches of the solar system, and may thus contain rock and ices that date back billions of years. Also, comet tails are indicators of the solar wind and have helped us learn about the inner solar system. And not least, comets are known to hit planets from time to time, including Earth, so we need to keep an eye out for potential impactors, said Green. One intriguing possibility directly links humanity to these visitors from the outer solar system. While Carl Sagan once said that we are star stuff, Fred Whipple would add that we are comet stuff. Part of the water in our bodies comes from comets. That's because some proportion of the Earth's water comes from comets, said Whipple. To a layperson, the appeal of a comet may reside less in its scientific value than in its dramatic display of cosmic splendor. Comets C/2001 Q4 (NEAT) and C/2002 T7 (LINEAR) both have the potential to provide pleasant sights when they swing through the inner solar system this spring. Two Bright Comets For 2004 Comet NEAT is not especially keen, nor does Comet LINEAR travel a particularly straight line. Instead, both are named for the robotic telescope survey programs that discovered them. The programs locate comets so prolifically that many comets have shared the same names, including some reasonably bright comets, hence the importance of using the comets' full designations. On August 28, 2001, the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams at CfA announced the discovery of Comet C/2001 Q4 by the Near Earth Asteroid Tracking (NEAT) program, for which the comet was named. Astronomers describe the brightness of celestial objects using a magnitude scale: the higher the magnitude number, the fainter the object. When found, Comet NEAT glowed at only 20th magnitude, about 400,000 times fainter than the faintest star visible to the unaided eye. Yet predictions indicate that Comet NEAT may brighten to 1st or 2nd
Re: [meteorite-list] Sau 001 deals?
Tom: Check out GLassface1's ebay site. He may have lots of Sau 001. (:)!! Another Dave Hello List, who has the best prices on SAU 001 individuals or is ebay going to be the best bet for finding a nice one with out paying to much? SAU 001 is quickly becoming my favorite stone meteorite, too nice Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sau 001 deals?
Thanks, glassface1 is my new supplier of rare and expensive meteorites anyways! Best prices in town! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sau 001 deals? Tom: Check out GLassface1's ebay site. He may have lots of Sau 001. (:)!! Another Dave Hello List, who has the best prices on SAU 001 individuals or is ebay going to be the best bet for finding a nice one with out paying to much? SAU 001 is quickly becoming my favorite stone meteorite, too nice Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tales in the Tracks
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/spirit/a15_20040224.html Tales in the Tracks Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 24, 2004 Even before Spirit set foot on martian soil, she was returning stunning images of her new surroundings. And, with her first triumphant roll off the lander, she set out to accomplish lofty science goals. What she left in her wake makes for great bonus science too. Both Spirit and Opportunity are equipped with a sophisticated suite of scientific instruments, but you wouldn't think the wheels were among them - or would you? As the wheels move across the martian surface as they are designed to do, they churn up clues that help scientists. I would compare the rover tracks to the boot prints of geologists walking around on Earth, said Dr. Lutz Richter, of the German Space Agency and Mars Exploration Rover science team member. They immediately give us information about the nature of the material on which we are roving. How far have we sunk? Scientists have been busy analyzing Spirit's new territory. Since they cannot don their geologic tool belts and go themselves, they are taking advantage of tools on the rover that can virtually put them there. The material we are on has given way to the weight of the rover in some places, Richter noted. We can measure the amount of sinkage and that tells us the strength of the material that we are on. It is a 'cheap' measure of information for us that we can use throughout the mission. So far we have seen a lot of variation. Lacking any kind of interplanetary ruler, scientists rely on advanced software, developed at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, called the Science Activity Planner, to make measurements. Using stereo images from the rover cameras and the known weight of the rover and its wheels, scientists can get very accurate information about the surface material. What are we looking at? The amount of sinkage into the surface material is leading the science team to believe that there is a thin crust covering the soil. This uppermost material, which measures between a half-centimeter and one centimeter, is relatively young in geologic years - probably not older than several tens of thousands of years old. A mere infant when compared to the underlying material that dates back billions of years to when Gusev Crater might have cradled a lake. From previous missions to the surface of Mars we've seen similar materials but not such a large area of it, Richter said. Preliminary chemical analyses indicate high amounts of chlorine and sulfur. Water's role The debate continues about Mars' mysterious past - was it always as desolate as it is today or was it once warmer and wetter? Richter and his colleagues wonder if water, in some form, played a role in the formation of the thin crust near the lander, the Columbia Memorial Station. For climate studies this understanding is very important because there must have been some moisture at work - even if only in low quantities, he said. There's a water cycle on Mars. There are certain times of year that trace amounts of water are present in certain locations. There is also water vapor in the atmosphere and ice below the surface. Perhaps a few hundred thousand years ago the atmosphere might have been saturated and could have been responsible for this recent crust at the Gusev site. Seeing Eons Below the Surface Without the benefit of any major excavating tools, Spirit and Opportunity can still analyze material that formed billions of years ago. Rocks that were violently displaced from craters expose part of Mars' history. Below the crust would be any evidence of the lake deposits - perhaps a few meters - but we don't know because there may have been volcanic activity there, Richter explained. That's why it's so important to go to the nearby crater because there are ejecta rocks there that would give us a clue about what lies far beneath the crust. Ejecta rocks are those that were sent flying when an impact created the crater hole. Rover wheels aren't just for driving anymore! Proof that driving on Mars is anything but routine, they reveal a part of Mars that time has covered up. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA new domain
At 11.18 25/02/2004 -0800, you wrote: I mean, meteoritecollectors.com was free... I do not know what you mean by free that address cost money just like the I mean it was not used. However if you were looking for a shorter name... well, imca.cc is shorter. Uhm... .cc ... condrites collectors? :) bye, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fair Use...wasIt is ridiculous now.
I am going to reverse myself a bit in regard to the use of the list to announce these questionable auctions. I think if a list member is contemplating acutally bidding on a particular auction, and they have questions about authenticity, it is a good strategy to ask the list's collective opinion. Seems to me fair use of this comunity. I also agree these misidentified auctions on eBay are generating a lot of drama and a lot of traffic which has to be deleated. (I wonder if some of us don't actually beat our breast, gnash our teeth, and wear sack cloth with fusion crusted ashes at the appearance of one of these sacreligious auctions!) If WE would let it work without interfering, let Ken continue his effective approach to being our SOLE and /or IMCA ambassador to the rest of the world. Seems he has been very successful in working with sellers where the casual misidentification comes about and 99% of the time the seler withdraws the auction. Al's idea of sending an invitation to join one or more of the lists, addresses the issue of getting more folks into the hobby. Sounds like something that could be tried. Doug's tretise was pretty accurate yet we continue to gnash our e-teeth, and I agree with most of what John said. They have said it the way it is and I write this to only propose a compromise as to bringing the questionable auctions to the attention of the list. I implore all, again, who are on the IMCA mailing list to keep ebay meteorwrong discussion on that list. In some cases (e.g Galaxy, Slag, Frass, Emerald, and the current Glassface) there is no practical remedy for low level deliberate distortion and fraud. For whatever reason the actual incidence of fraud in this hobby seems to be very low. The fraud we used to see here was limited to individuals in Hong Kong lifting vebage from websites and photos from auctions and selling virtual meteorites. We complain the hobby isn't broad enough and then when it gets broad enough for vultures to take advantage we we complain that we can't control everything and everyone. Thanks Gents for the perspective. Sincerely, Elton David Freeman wrote: Dear List, This feller' Mr. Doug is a genious I feel. Very well put. Dave With an F, a big proud F. John K. Gwilliam wrote: Doug and List, I met Doug for the first time at the Tucson Show just a few weeks ago. He was one of the people on my to meet short list because I have been very impressed with his depth of vision and a superb ability to express it in type. This is the best post I've seen in the last several years dealing with the issue of Ebay and the selling of suspect meteorites. Over the years, there have been several attempts by well-meaning people to do something to curb the sales of non-meteoritic material as genuine meteorites. All of us know what the result has been: our in-boxes get filled with endless threads about so-and-so bad guy selling meteorwrongs on ebay. What have we accomplished in the past, say, four years? Not much. Don't get me wrong, I think it's an admirable goal to want to make the wrong things in this world right, but unless progress is being made and the end result matches the original goal, what is the point? Back in 1999, a former list member started the Meteorite Sheriff Posse. He personally selected the members he wanted to be in the group and then galloped off on his cyber stallion to rid Ebay of fraudulent meteorite sellers. While there were some interesting moments with this group, the overall result was failure and a lot of wasted time. If the IMCA leadership think policing Ebay should be part of their mission, I suggest they take a good look at what Mexico Doug has to say. Personally, I think that unless a deceptive dealer is a member of the IMCA, no direct action should be taken. A lot of resources that could be applied in a positive and rewarding direction are being used up trying to fight the bad guys one at a time. Thank you Doug for getting us to take a different look at an old problem. Best, John Gwilliam At 11:40 PM 2/23/2004 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En un mensaje con fecha 02/23/2004 1:25:22 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Unless you become a victim, there is not a whole lot you can do legally. And that IS sad. I agree the situation is not very happy, though I have a different path to suggest in accomplishing the goal. I want to say you analysis was very convincing if the big hammer approach is to be tried ... enough to tempt anyone. I was very impressed with the resources available that you mentioned. But please also consider: First, what is the goal? Ebay is a giant flea market, is it not? Or does the flea market being on-line mean people have to be more ethical? I don't think the mission of eBay is to get tied up in that sticky issue any more than similar things like porn-proofing the on-line search engines at the source. Similar messes
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Parent Planet(s)
Hello Everyone, Reading John Wasson's Disturbing the Solar System made me realize how often I have seen the phrase "the ___'s parent body (where ___ is whatever classification of meteorite one chooses). Wasson and others talk about asteroid parent bodies as if there was only one parent body for the mesosiderites, one for carbonaceous chondrites, one for the pallasites, etc. I guess I always assumed that particlesaccreted early on such that any meteorite typeformed in a number of planetesimals andwhat eventually came tobe known as ___'s formed inmany parent bodies. I realize themeteorite specimens which fall toEarth are but chips fromlarger bodies which have undergone fragmentation due to collisionsamong these bodies, but I guess I had always assumed thatthere were any numberof planetesimals from which the various types of meteorites originated. What is the current thinking on this? Was there a single ___ parent body? Could x number of planetesimals have occupied y distances from the sun and thus been have exposed to different degrees of thermal alteration by solar radiation (ignoring radioactivity as a heat source)? Do all ___'s have one common ancestor? -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Origin of Meteories Print
Hello Everyone, Here is a neat print depicting the origin of meteorites to having one land at your back door :-) http://imperialearth.com/prints.shtml -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
Hello all, I'm a bit confused about how much of this meteorite there is, so I thought I'd take the question to the List. From the Hupe's descriptions on several pieces currently on ebay, the TKW appears to be 1059.7 grams from three stones (220.6 grams, 505.1 grams, and 334 grams). Rob Wessel, also selling a piece on ebay, lists the 505.1 stone. David Weir lists the TKW as 505.1 grams. At Michael Blood's Tucson auction, the main mass was offered, a 596.77 gram end piece.. The TKW for NWA 1836 was listed as 1101.87 grams. This piece didn't sell at Tucson but was recently listed on ebay by Puhzaz where the end piece was said to be from a single stone. So now we have at least four stones totaling about 2160 grams. I'm just wondering how many sisters are we dealing with and how many other relatives are going to show up? It's a very interesting meteorite, but I'd rather not buy and find the price drop in half tomorrow. I went through that with NWA 801 and others ;-) Any comments from those in the know would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
I should have been more clear in my auction Frank, the piece I have on eBay is paired and the description has been adjusted for the additional mass I am aware of, as recovered by the Hupe brothers last December. All additional known weight by pairings is routinely submitted by the Hupes and it will be reflected in an upcoming MetBulletin. I still can't get to 1101.87 grams with my data though. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 1:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted Hello all, I'm a bit confused about how much of this meteorite there is, so I thought I'd take the question to the List. From the Hupe's descriptions on several pieces currently on ebay, the TKW appears to be 1059.7 grams from three stones (220.6 grams, 505.1 grams, and 334 grams). Rob Wessel, also selling a piece on ebay, lists the 505.1 stone. David Weir lists the TKW as 505.1 grams. At Michael Blood's Tucson auction, the main mass was offered, a 596.77 gram end piece.. The TKW for NWA 1836 was listed as 1101.87 grams. This piece didn't sell at Tucson but was recently listed on ebay by Puhzaz where the end piece was said to be from a single stone. So now we have at least four stones totaling about 2160 grams. I'm just wondering how many sisters are we dealing with and how many other relatives are going to show up? It's a very interesting meteorite, but I'd rather not buy and find the price drop in half tomorrow. I went through that with NWA 801 and others ;-) Any comments from those in the know would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Disturbing the Solar Sytem
Hello Everyone, Oops, major mistake. Disturbing the Solar System is by Alan Rubin (thanks to Eric Twelker for GENTLY pointing that out to me), not John Wasson. No use trying to think of an excuse - just flubbed up. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
the bottom falling out of the market? what are you talking about??!??! if a relativly ordinary chonderite will fetch several tens of dollars per gram just because it fell on suburbia outside of chicago, think of what kind of hype there would be if the rock was 'THE BIGGEST METEORITE EVER!' or 'DESTROYED THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES!' (instead of just busting a few rafters in someone's house) or 'FIRST RECOVERED PIECES OF A COMET TO HIT THE EARTH!'.. hell, if it came from a comet, who knows what kind of boulders of C1 material would land.. such an impact would cause untold billions in damage, but the stuff the made it to the ground would be worth bazillions of dolladrs, easily... From: Howard Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:17:34 + (GMT) Early warning would definitely be helpful so we could sell off our collections before the bottom falls out the meteorite market! Howard stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We might not be able to do anything about the impact, as in preventing it, but surely there would be alot that could be done to lessen catestrophic damage. If the impact was known about 18 hours in adavnce, I'd be willing to bet that very shortly afterwards, with the resources of the entire world (instead of just 2 telescopes doing automated survays) behind the effort it wouldnt take long to find the region of the planet an impact was likely going to uccur in. After that it would be much like a hurricane warning, except with a bit less notice. a half a day before landfall of a major hurricane unpridicitibility of the path of a major storm oftentimes puts MANY millions of people on alert. people could evacuate, or prepair to shelter in place. emergancy services would be ramped up and ready to respond should the impact occur in a highly populated area, ect. From: mark ford To: Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:39 - Dirk, Mind you, there probably isn't much point in telling the world, what would we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a few minutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on fur coats and food for the coming 'nuclear winter', not much else we could do! But hey - If I'm gonna go, I'd rather it be 'death-by-meteorite' Mark Ford -Original Message- From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52 To: mark ford; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact.. Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out? Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to you. Sincerely, Dirk Ross Yamaguchi University, Japan, Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher The time window for this stream ends at about 2008. _ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard 1 - Read only the mail you want. _ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now _ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Parent Planet(s)
Hi Walter and List, Reading John Wasson's Disturbing the Solar System made me realize how often I have seen the phrase "the ___'s parent body (where ___ is whatever classification of meteorite one chooses). Wasson and others talk about asteroid parent bodies as if there was only one parent body for the mesosiderites, one for carbonaceous chondrites, one for the pallasites, etc. (I think you mean Alan Rubin's Disturbing the Solar System). I guess I always assumed that particlesaccreted early on such that any meteorite typeformed in a number of planetesimals andwhat eventually came tobe known as ___'s formed inmany parent bodies. I think I understand your question. Let's takeH chondrites as an example.What you're saying is two-fold: 1. At least one large H-chondrite parent body was at some point involved in at least one impact. Some of the resulting fragments from that collision ended up in orbits which cross earth's orbit. 2. If there is (or was)more than one original H-chondrite body, and it too was involved in an impact that produced fragments with orbits that cross earth's orbit, then there could be ambiguity over which meteorites classified as H chondrites originated with which parent body. So one question is, are all the variations that we find in the usual measurements of H chondrites (petrology, shock, fayalite %, matrix appearance, etc.) still within the~expected~ range of variation that we could expect to see from a single parent body? (Related question: if one parent body suffered TWO collisions, would the resultingmeteorites be easily distinguishable?) But perhaps the more interesting question is, if our H-chondrites originated in more than one parent body, how could we tell? I suppose one method would be cosmic ray exposure, or some other "clock-based" technique that can date thespecimen age since collision. However, only a small fraction of meteorites are subjected to this kind of scrutiny, and time tags alone wouldn't tell you if two parent bodies were hit, or one parent body was hit twice. Another approach to answering the question of single vs. multiple parent bodies per meteorite type would be theoretical based on solar system formation models, solar system age, dynamics, collision statistics and terrestrial meteorite lifetime. For example, over the last 4.5 billion years, what are the odds that there are(were) two similar asteroids thateach suffered impacts that produced fragments that ended up in orbits that intersect earth's orbit -- and did so within, say, the last 40,000 years? When stated this way, it doesn't seem very likely. Even after 4.5 billion years, the fraction of asteroids that have suffered a collision, multiplied by the fraction of the resulting fragments that ended up in orbits that can intersect earth, multiplied by the fraction of those that DID intersect earth within the last 40,000 years can't be very large. But to expect that TWO such bodies were hit thathad similar bulk compositions, and each delivered fragments to earth within the last 40,000 yearsseems like a pretty big stretch. No doubt Drs. Rubin and Wasson can provide stronger arguments than these, and I'll be sure to ask them next time I see them. --Rob
[meteorite-list] Re: Ad-sale Meteorites and book reverse auction.
Hi ListWe decided to close out of few the meteorites and books we have had in our inventory a whileand some not so long. We also need to raise some cash to cover our Tucson expenses. Since I love the patented Steve Arnold (original) reverse auction idea so much I thought I would try it here. I will continue to lower the price every 1-2 days until I decide to quit. No idea how long or how low it will go. No idea when it will end. I reserve the right to end the auction at any time. So if you see something you are interested in you might just want to grab it before someone else does.Shipping is free on purchases over $250. Shipping will be figured at actual cost on orders under $250.Bencubbin Western Australia, Australia. Found 1930. Carbonaceous Chondrite, CB. TKW 118.47 kg. Priced at $150 per gram. These are some nice small slices of this rare and hard to obtain meteorite.0.584 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Bencub584.jpg $87.600.599 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Ben0.599.jpg $89.850.763 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Bencub763.jpg $114.452.907 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Ben2.907.jpg $436.05Dar al Gani 032 Dar al Gani, Sahara, Libya. Carbonaceous Chondrite CO3. TKW 579 g. Priced at $25 per gram.5.79 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/DAG0325.79.jpg $144.75Dar al Gani 734 Dar al Gani, Sahara, Libya. Enstatite Chondrite, EL4. TKW 1.378 kg. Priced at $100 per gram. Very rare class as only two other EL4s have been discovered in the sahara.0.73 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/DAG734.073.jpg $73.001.19 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/DAG734.1.19.jpg $119.00Fort Stockton Pecos Co. TX . IRUNGR Om. Found 1952. TKW 4.7kg. Neat iron as it still has some fusion crust on portions of the exterior. Low tkw and never available on the market. Truly a gorgeous specimen. TCU-Monnig collection has main mass. $15.00/g 78.2g whole slice. $1173.00View 1 http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/FtStockton1.jpg View 2 http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/FtStockton2.jpgGibeon Great Namaland, Namibia. Found 1836. Iron, IVA Of. Priced at $0.70 per gram These are exceptional whole irons that are rerely seen today as the strewnfield is hunted out.122.7 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon122.jpg $85.89146.3 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon146.jpg $102.41209.4 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon209.jpg $146.58214.3 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon214.jpg $150.01249.2 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon249.jpg $174.44256.3 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Photos/Gibeon256.jpg $179.41 Glorieta Mountain Santa Fe Co. New Mexico. Found 1884. Pallasite. TKW over 200 kg. Whole priced at $17.50 per gram. Check out these little cuties.2.52 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/GM2.52.jpg $44.103.15 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/GM3.15.jpg $55.134.53 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/GM4.53.jpg $79.286.53 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/GM6.53.jpg $114.28Slice priced at $40 per gram. This slice is from the original piece discovered by Steve Schoner. Slice has been etched.16.70 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/GMs16.7-2.jpg $668.00 NWA 1939 Morocco Found 2003.Stone, Achondrite, Howardite. TKW 100.4g Very nice Howardite that is loaded with eucrite and diogenite matrixes. Very low TKW. Priced at $70 per gram.0.586g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/NWA19390.586.jpg $41.021.168g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/NWA 19391.168.jpg $81.761.418g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/NWA19391.418.jpg $99.26 Sahara 97096 Sahara Desert (undisclosed location) Found 1997. Enstatite chondrite, EH3. TKW 2516g Priced at $25 per gram3.79 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Sahara97096.jpg $94.75 Zag Western Sahara, Morocco. Fell Aug 4th or 5th 1998. Ordinary chondrite, H3-6. TKW ~175 kg. Priced at $2.50 per gram. This slice has fusion crust along one edge and shows both the H3 and H6 clasts extremely well.38.2 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Zag38.2.jpg $40.70 Zakodzie Zamosc, Poland. Found 1998. Enstatite Ungrouped. TKW 8.68 kg Priced at $90/g1.21 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Zakl1.21c.jpg $108.901.75 g http://jensenmeteorites.com/Meteorite%20Photos/Zakl1.75.jpg $157.50BooksBrown, Harrison ed. 1953 A Bibliography on Meteorites. Hardcover book in G condition. Spine sunned and torn at top with library markings. Ex-Library with usual marks. A rare book and a must for any one with a serious meteorite book collection. 686 pp. $45.00 Dodd, R. T. 1986 Thunderstones and Shooting Stars. Cambridge Harvard University Press. Hardcover VG/G, DJ was covered with clear tape. Excellent coverage on the subject matter. Numerous illustrations b/w photos. 1st edition. 196 pp. $15.00McSween, Harry Y. 1999 Meteorites and Their Parent
[meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Info
Dear Frank, Rob and List Members, I think some NWA 1836 stones are being counted twice. My research shows that a 800 plus gram stone was cut and only the end cut weight of 220 grams was reported to the Nom Com. To me it looks like somebody was trying to cheat on the TKW. What other reason would there be to under report the weight? We studied a specimen from this stone two years ago and passed on it because the Moroccan dealer was asking $25,000.00 dollars for it calling it a melted Eucrite. We have been keeping a look out for more of this material since it is so beautiful and only acquired an additional 334 grams representing two years of searching by the nomads. This material was divided up five ways and that is why it is showing up elsewhere. The nomads having been searching hard for this material for over two years so I doubt much more is going to being coming out. Another dealer was asking over $200.00 a gram for this material compared with our price of $45.00 a gram on this weeks rare material special. If you want any of this gorgeous material check out the several NWA 1836 specimens we are running on ebay at the following link: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ You may want to bid soon as this is all we have. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
Hello all, Thanks for your input. Interestingly when you add the weight submitted to the Nom. Comm. (505.1 g.) to the weight of the main mass that Nelson Oakes has (596.77 g.), you have the TKW that Nelson Oakes listed for the individual stone, or 1101.87 grams. So if my logic is correct, it looks like the TKW of NWA 1836 is 1435.87 grams and is accounted for in two stones, a 1101.97 gram stone (Oakes) and a 334 gram stone (Hupe). Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted Hello Frank, My data for the TKW (505.1 g) of NWA 1836 (Twisted Sister) is from a copy of the actual write-up that was submitted to NomCom by T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU. This mass was purchased by Nelson Oakes and can be seen on his website I believe - Meteorites-R-Us. He has been offering to sell the main mass in Tucson for a pretty hefty sum, but I'm pretty sure the price is negotiable. I am unaware of any official pairings to this one, but it's rare that there isn't. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA1836
Dear List, Also I have a few premier slices left of the real "Twisted Sister" at $15/gram. Thanks Nels
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
The main mass Nels had on his web site was cut off of a 1100 gram individual aparently. If the Hupes found an additional 334 grams, then tht would place the total at some 1400 maybe 1500 grams... FYI no point in trying to negotiate over the price of the piece that was at tucson... it's already off the market :) From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:45:08 -0500 Hello Frank, My data for the TKW (505.1 g) of NWA 1836 (Twisted Sister) is from a copy of the actual write-up that was submitted to NomCom by T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU. This mass was purchased by Nelson Oakes and can be seen on his website I believe - Meteorites-R-Us. He has been offering to sell the main mass in Tucson for a pretty hefty sum, but I'm pretty sure the price is negotiable. I am unaware of any official pairings to this one, but it's rare that there isn't. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA1836 (provisional)The Twisted Sister
Dear List, Originally I purchased a stone, obviously cut from a mass supposedly a Eucrite. After depositing more than the required amount as type sample the stone was analyzed by NAU and a prominent scientist dubbed it the "Twisted Sister", due to the contortions and convolutions within the stone, very unusual indeed. It is a stellar meteorite. The weight given was the 505 plus grams that I purchased (and received) by mail. Over a year later a package was delivered to me from a known collector with the other portion of this single stone. This singularity was obvious since the "halves" matched precisely. I immediately weighed this new piece andreported the weights to NAU. The "newly obtained" half was indeed the main mass and weighs 596.77 grams. TKW ca. 1100 grams. Single stone. To my knowledge, and I've checked with a few prominent scientists and they agree, there is NO STONE analyzed and paired to "The Sister". There may be another Eucrite that looks somewhat like it (after all it's a Eucrite!), but there's only one "Sister". Thanks Nels
[meteorite-list] Fw: NWA1836 (provisional)The Twisted Sister
- Original Message - From: nelson oakes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: NWA1836 (provisional)"The Twisted Sister" Dear List, Originally I purchased a stone, obviously cut from a mass supposedly a Eucrite. After depositing more than the required amount as type sample the stone was analyzed by NAU and a prominent scientist dubbed it the "Twisted Sister", due to the contortions and convolutions within the stone, very unusual indeed. It is a stellar meteorite. The weight given was the 505 plus grams that I purchased (and received) by mail. Over a year later a package was delivered to me from a known collector with the other portion of this single stone. This singularity was obvious since the "halves" matched precisely. I immediately weighed this new piece andreported the weights to NAU. The "newly obtained" half was indeed the main mass and weighs 596.77 grams. TKW ca. 1100 grams. Single stone. To my knowledge, and I've checked with a few prominent scientists and they agree, there is NO STONE analyzed and paired to "The Sister". There may be another Eucrite that looks somewhat like it (after all it's a Eucrite!), but there's only one "Sister". Thanks Nels
[meteorite-list] sheephole valley micro
Hi list.I was do some cleaning of my meteorite dispaly, and my riker of sheephole valey fell over.A chip broke off, so I am making it available to anyone who would want to buy it.The price is $25.00.It is 4 mm long.Let me know if interested. steve arnold,chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: NWA1836 (provisional)The Twisted Sister
Dear Nels and List, The same scientist who originally studied NWA 1836 has already determined that this material is definitely paired. As a matter of fact he was on the expedition that produced the extra 334 grams which we reported accurately. In case you forgot, Habbibi sent us a sample of your stone before you even knew it existed. Nelson, you were aware that what you had was only half a stone and that there was more weight, yet you did not report it. TKW is important and this still does not explain why only 220 grams was originally reported to the Nom Com. Before you make statements about pairings you should check with the University of Washington who studied a great deal of your inventorybefore you were even aware it existed. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: nelson oakes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: NWA1836 (provisional)"The Twisted Sister" - Original Message - From: nelson oakes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: NWA1836 (provisional)"The Twisted Sister" Dear List, Originally I purchased a stone, obviously cut from a mass supposedly a Eucrite. After depositing more than the required amount as type sample the stone was analyzed by NAU and a prominent scientist dubbed it the "Twisted Sister", due to the contortions and convolutions within the stone, very unusual indeed. It is a stellar meteorite. The weight given was the 505 plus grams that I purchased (and received) by mail. Over a year later a package was delivered to me from a known collector with the other portion of this single stone. This singularity was obvious since the "halves" matched precisely. I immediately weighed this new piece andreported the weights to NAU. The "newly obtained" half was indeed the main mass and weighs 596.77 grams. TKW ca. 1100 grams. Single stone. To my knowledge, and I've checked with a few prominent scientists and they agree, there is NO STONE analyzed and paired to "The Sister". There may be another Eucrite that looks somewhat like it (after all it's a Eucrite!), but there's only one "Sister". Thanks Nels
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Re: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania!
Howard and List, I can't help clear any of it up, but here is a picture of a slice of some of this great xxxmaterial I picked up in Tucson. http://www.johnkashuba.com/images/NWA%20xxx%20CV3xb.jpg John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania! Hi List Speaking of CV3's, there seems to be a new CV3 offering everyother day this week. All with gorgiously wild chondrites and inclusions of all descriptions and different xxx or none at all. I can't keep up with them all. Tired of more surprises. What is going on? Surely did one big fall hit last year and there now just trickling in or are thesemany falls that all have cool CAI's, etc.Will somebody who know what going on behind the scene sort this one out for us poor buyers. Howard WuAdam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members,We would like to draw your attention to a new CV3, NWA 3118. This stunningmeteorite has a lot going for it including multi-colored chondrules, HugeCAIs and odd clasts. We loaded several inexpensive samples on ebay so thatcollectors can acquire some of this neat meteorite at near wholesale prices,some as low as $5.01 a gram for large specimens. Here are a few examples:Museum Quality with 3D chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2228530808category=3239Giant 18mm Chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2228534822Do not forget to check out the NWA 1836, monomict cumulate eucrite and overa hundred other auctions we are running this week, as well.To see all of our auctions click on the link below:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.Kind Regards,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania!
AWESOME kn mary kashuba wrote: Howard and List, I can't help clear any of it up, but here is a picture of a slice of some of this great xxxmaterial I picked up in Tucson. http://www.johnkashuba.com/images/NWA%20xxx%20CV3xb.jpg John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 8:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania! Hi List Speaking of CV3's, there seems to be a new CV3 offering everyother day this week. All with gorgiously wild chondrites and inclusions of all descriptions and different xxx or none at all. I can't keep up with them all. Tired of more surprises. What is going on? Surely did one big fall hit last year and there now just trickling in or are thesemany falls that all have cool CAI's, etc.Will somebody who know what going on behind the scene sort this one out for us poor buyers. Howard Wu Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members, We would like to draw your attention to a new CV3, NWA 3118. This stunning meteorite has a lot going for it including multi-colored chondrules, Huge CAIs and odd clasts. We loaded several inexpensive samples on ebay so that collectors can acquire some of this neat meteorite at near wholesale prices, some as low as $5.01 a gram for large specimens. Here are a few examples: Museum Quality with 3D chondrule: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2228530808category=3239 Giant 18mm Chondrule: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2228534822 Do not forget to check out the NWA 1836, monomict cumulate eucrite and over a hundred other auctions we are running this week, as well. To see all of our auctions click on the link below: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Kind Regards, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] CV3 mania!
Speaking of CV3's, there seems to be a new CV3 offering every other day this week.Will somebody who know what going on behind the scene sort this one out for us poor buyers. Hello Howard and list. Talking to the guy who is classifying a lot of things right now there were 3 new CV3s in Tucson this year. One was a nice gray with blueish hibbonite (sp?) crystals in it. Terry Boswell had some in his room. I am not sure of the differences in the other two. I sent some of my material off to be classified, if it was different, or to find out it was the same as something already being classiffied. Either way is fine I just want to know what to call it. I would not be surprised if the pieces Adam Hupe just put on eBay are the same material. That thin 10.3 gram piece with the chondrule sticking out both sides is so cool. No matter what the NWA number(s) finally wind up on it, it is great looking material. Also some of those large chondrules are really large spherical CAIs. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
