Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
Well, I had one of Dean´s thin-sections analyzed in the universtity of Helsinki, and they had no problem with the classification... The met was classified by prof. Martti Lehtinen, who is also the curator of the stone-museum of the finnish NHM. best, pekka s dean bessey wrote: I dont know where you are getting your information but I have sent my thin sections to 6 or 7 seperate institutions for classification work and they have all come back saying how high the quality is. One institution even asked me if I was interested in making a deal to make their thin sections for them after seeing the sections that I have. I had to turn them down though because of a very long turnaround time. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] park forest news article/1 year anniversary
Good morning to a big world, and happy anniversary to my very own park forest meteorite.I got the article in our newspaper.Several of our list members are listed.MR.(s)MIKE BLOOD, the other STEVE ARNOLD(IMB),ADAM HUPE'AL LANG,and GREG HUPE.It goes into depth as to what happened that night, and all the confusion that would transpire over the next month.There is also a small interview with NOE GARZA,and how it affected his life.It is a good sized article.It is located in the tempo section of the newspaper.I will be getting a few issues.If any one wants one,(who does not live around here),I will be more than happy to send you one.All you do is pay me for the paper and shipping.It is a very good and well done article.One that will find a happy home in to the meteorite archives of MARK BOSTICK.Also remember, I will be going down there tomorrow if you want to join me a few others. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] LL7 Chondrites
Here's a list of chondrites classified as LL7, the most recent ones not included. There are a some more Yamato finds that are listed without any petrologic type, since they are highly metamorphic - may be impact melts. Hard to classify, petrologically. Best regards, Joern MetBase nameclass country fall? dateTKW kg fa_avg fs_avg ALH 84027 LL7(?)AntarcticaN 19840,008 27 23 Crocker's Well LL7 Australia N 19560,0038 29.8 Dar al Gani 1022LL7 Libya N 2001/04/25 0,0336 29.6 25.0 Dhofar 011 LL7 OmanN 1999/12/05 0,15 30.525.5 Dhofar 014 LL7 OmanN 2000/01/21 0,414 29.724.3 EET 92012 LL7 Antarctica N 19920,002 30 24 EET 92013 LL7 Antarctica N 19920,0099 30 24 EET 92016 LL7 Antarctica N 19920,0101 30 24 NWA 503 LL7 ? N 20000,596 30.6 Sahara97037 LL7 ? N 1997/02 0,149 31.2 26.6 UdenLL7 Netherlands Y 1840/06/12 0,71 29.524.5 Y 74160 LL7 Antarctica N 1974/12/08 0,0314 29.4 23.1 Y 790144LL7 Antarctica N 19790,09232 27.8 22.8 Y 791067LL7 Antarctica N 19790,23459 31.0 24.8 Y 82067 LL7 Antarctica N 1982/12 0,01468 30.425.0 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jeff Grossman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 26. März 2004 01:07 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] LL7 Chondrites One of the reasons that type 7 ordinary chondrites are rare may be that many researchers do not think the distinction between 6 and 7 is significant and therefore never classify anything as type 7. As far as anymeteorite called type 6/7 is concerned, don't forget that the slash in a classification often means I can't decide and not transitional. Certain classifiers use lots of slashes and others never use them at all. jeff At 04:30 PM 3/25/2004 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: Dr Ted Bunch did the classification. I have to belive that he knows what he it doing. The pieces are up on my website right now. See them here http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa2092.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/nwa20922.htm Price is $30.00 gram today only. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LL7 Chondrites Hey Adam, Yes, I agree with you. Very perceptive. The two types are mutually exclusive based on the definition of Dodd. Type 7 ordinary chondrites were originally defined by Dodd et al. (1975) according to specific petrographic characteristics. They listed three metamorphic criteria to distinguish between petrographic types 6 and 7: 1.the presence of poorly defined chondrules in type 6, but only relict chondrules in type 7 2.low-Ca pyroxenes in type 6 contain no more than 1.0 wt% CaO (1.0 wt% = ~1.9 mol% Wo), but more than 1.0 wt% in type 7; conversely, the CaO content of high-Ca pyroxenes decreases from type 6 to type 7 3.feldspar grains gradually coarsen to reach a size of at least 0.1 mm in type 7 Perhaps this is one of those confused cases of classification in which different labs call things by different terminology. Could they have found both petrographic phases in the stone and used the slash to indicate this? Who did the classification? Regards, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
Before I started selling thin sections I went to all of the major places (Including mining companies) that made thin sections commercially and started using the place where a major meteorite scientists told me was best. I never took the word of who made them. I had some made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this research) and then got long term meteorite scientists to pass them. Over the past few years a lot of scientists and serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I would know about it. I have had two individuals familiar with thin sections tell me that they have seen all of the thin sections that are regularly commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only one that comes close to my quality is the ones that Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover slips which means that they are not suitable for classification work - but the quality is there). My thin sections have been used by numerous institutions for classification work and I havent herd complaints. It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of attacking other people who walk on their turf in Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly. A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff questioned it he would ask in private to see more data and why this classification was made. I dont think that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be right or they may not. But a profesional with honest intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed to hurt farmer. This might be a good time to point out that I have always considered the hubes to be good friends but last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them (Including that 474 gram Twisted sister meteorite that I bought from the people that normally deal with the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up with cutsy names like that. I wonder if Twisted Sister will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and does the tune we're not going to take it come daning in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last week I bought a large number more achondrites in Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes are looking at me as a serious threat because typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20 kilo lot of the CV3 kicking around morocco right now that both me and the Hubes (And various other dealers) have been trying to buy. As we all know from reading past list discussions the Hubes play dirty when they experience competation. Just look at all of the unprovoked attacks that Farmer has had to put up with over the past year from the Hubes. I suspect that since I have made several purchases from the people in Morocco who the Hubes consider their connections that I will now also regularly become more of a target of the Hubes BS. Just see if the Hubes make more list comments about my stuff over the next 6 months. This wouldent happen if I never bought from their connections in morocco. But thats not going to prevent me from buying from the Hubes sources in morocco in the future if I get offered a good deal. I realize that when adam wakes up that he is going to stagger around in a drunken stuper and then write something else condemming something that I sell but this will be my last email on the topic. I dont wish to carry this further. I have been a part of enough mud slinging contests on this list and I dont have a desire to get serious into another one. To many people have left (Or no longer post) to this list already because of various fights that I somehow am often a part of (Although I have never provoked any - you know you are considered a problem when you get attacked. Sort of a rite of passage in the meteorite world it seems). When Adam wakes up he can huff and puff and rant and rave and cry like a baby. But I wont come back for more and I wont stop buying from the Hubes sources in morocco. My sincerest apologies to list members who have to yet again put up with this crap. I made a single list posting yesterday advertising my stuff for sale on ebay and had no idea that I would get an unprovoked attack from somebody who I have always considered a friend. This whole thread should have been a single posting about my sale. New unknowledgable collectors dont spend $50 on thin sections. About half my thin sections goes to people with petrology experience. I am not taking the word of the guy who makes
[meteorite-list] last years park forest meteorite headlines
Hey list.I am going to list last years original copy of the fall.It is the original piece of last years fall with a picture of MRSJONES holding her 2 kilo piece on the cover.I will list it on ebay later today. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] last years park forest meteorite headlines
In all the hype last year during the fall Rob Elliott offered one guy $30,000 for his meteorite and the guy turned Rob down. I doubt that anybody would offer that now but I wonder if anybody knows if the guy ever sold his meteorite and if so what he got for it? Curius minds are just wondering Cheers DEAN --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey list.I am going to list last years original copy of the fall.It is the original piece of last years fall with a picture of MRSJONES holding her 2 kilo piece on the cover.I will list it on ebay later today. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
Dean, I thought you were an honest but misinformed dealer but have reconsidered after all of the false statements made in your last postings. If you are going to make up garbage, please spell our name correctly. You have no contacts in common with us in Morocco, Mauritania or the Western Sahara so I do not have a clue to what you are talking about. The Moroccan half of team LunarRock does not even know who you are so how could you be getting material from them? The answer is simple, you are not. Be careful about lying because we are not bidding against you on anything in Morocco or anywhere else. We are not interested in pursuing items in common with you. Some pairings show up from time to time but you would not know because you do not even bother with classifications. I do not even believe you maintain a collection so I guess it is all about making a few bucks for you regardless of scientific value. You claim our stuff is overpriced yet most of our auctions start at just 99 cents. We donate kilos of NWA material to institutions for free, doesn't get much cheaper than that. The rare occasion that we sell bulk unclassified specimens to the public they are priced 25% less than what you charge. You do not polish your material so you have no preparation time invested. You have no polishing loses making well prepared specimens a bargain by comparison. I did not name NWA 1836 the Twisted Sister and have never used this term in the promotion of any items so you are barking up the wrong tree. As far as your thin-sections go, let your images speak for themselves. If I see something that I do not believe is correct I am not afraid to point it out. I think this will be the last posting regarding this subject, as well. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Before I started selling thin sections I went to all of the major places (Including mining companies) that made thin sections commercially and started using the place where a major meteorite scientists told me was best. I never took the word of who made them. I had some made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this research) and then got long term meteorite scientists to pass them. Over the past few years a lot of scientists and serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I would know about it. I have had two individuals familiar with thin sections tell me that they have seen all of the thin sections that are regularly commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only one that comes close to my quality is the ones that Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover slips which means that they are not suitable for classification work - but the quality is there). My thin sections have been used by numerous institutions for classification work and I havent herd complaints. It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of attacking other people who walk on their turf in Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly. A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff questioned it he would ask in private to see more data and why this classification was made. I dont think that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be right or they may not. But a profesional with honest intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed to hurt farmer. This might be a good time to point out that I have always considered the hubes to be good friends but last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them (Including that 474 gram Twisted sister meteorite that I bought from the people that normally deal with the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up with cutsy names like that. I wonder if Twisted Sister will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and does the tune we're not going to take it come daning in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last week I bought a large number more achondrites in Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes are looking at me as a serious threat because typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20 kilo lot of the CV3 kicking around morocco right now that both me and the Hubes (And various other dealers)
[meteorite-list] ebay meteorite ads - please explain
i am not skyrock dealer, but upon nosing through ebay i noticed litterally 100's of meteorite ads with no bids at all. what is the strategy behind this? there are tons of skyrock listed that will never sell. why do people list them in this manner? is this a write-off, etc.,?! Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 25, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Open the Door - sol 80, Mar 25, 2004 On sol 80, which ended at 10:23 a.m. PST on March 25, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit repeated overnight measurements of Illinois and New York, two targets on the rock Mazatzal. The measurements needed to be repeated because the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer's doors inadvertently did not open during the prior sol. In honor of doors being stuck partially open, sol 80's wake up song was Open the Door by Otis Redding. Mazatzal is one of an apparent class of light-toned rocks, which may be common in the area where Spirit landed in Gusev. This rock appears to be a ventifact, which means it may have been carved by the steady winds that scientists know come from the northwest into the top area of this crater rim. The plan for sol 81, which will end at 11:02 a.m. on March 26 PST, is to grind into Mazatzal with the rock abrasion tool. OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Browsing Bright Material - sol 59, Mar 25, 2004 Opportunity spent sol 59, which ended at 10:04 p.m. PST, placing the Mössbauer spectrometer on the bright material it approached yestersol, and conducting more remote sensing observations. This relatively light workload allowed the rover to recover energy for the next sol's activities. Those will include completing an alpha particle X-ray spectrometer read on the same soil target and initiating the panoramic mosaic image from the rover's current position. The wake-up tune for the sol was 59th Street Bridge Song (Feeling Groovy) by Simon and Garfunkel. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
The Moroccan half of the LunarRock team Jesus Christ Adam you really sound stupid when you say that crap. You mean Aid Mohammed. He works for whoever gives him money. Please, just drop the whole team bulls%$t, it really is dumb as all hell. Adam, you have never been to Western Sahara, or Mauritania, so why talk about it? Dean and I both were in Morocco long before you ever stepped foot there, and I handed you my contacts on a silver platter. Look where it got us. If you don't stop slamming people, I will post Aid Mohammed phone number and email, so everyone can have access to Team LunarRock. Then everyone can be part of your team Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Dean, I thought you were an honest but misinformed dealer but have reconsidered after all of the false statements made in your last postings. If you are going to make up garbage, please spell our name correctly. You have no contacts in common with us in Morocco, Mauritania or the Western Sahara so I do not have a clue to what you are talking about. The Moroccan half of team LunarRock does not even know who you are so how could you be getting material from them? The answer is simple, you are not. Be careful about lying because we are not bidding against you on anything in Morocco or anywhere else. We are not interested in pursuing items in common with you. Some pairings show up from time to time but you would not know because you do not even bother with classifications. I do not even believe you maintain a collection so I guess it is all about making a few bucks for you regardless of scientific value. You claim our stuff is overpriced yet most of our auctions start at just 99 cents. We donate kilos of NWA material to institutions for free, doesn't get much cheaper than that. The rare occasion that we sell bulk unclassified specimens to the public they are priced 25% less than what you charge. You do not polish your material so you have no preparation time invested. You have no polishing loses making well prepared specimens a bargain by comparison. I did not name NWA 1836 the Twisted Sister and have never used this term in the promotion of any items so you are barking up the wrong tree. As far as your thin-sections go, let your images speak for themselves. If I see something that I do not believe is correct I am not afraid to point it out. I think this will be the last posting regarding this subject, as well. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Before I started selling thin sections I went to all of the major places (Including mining companies) that made thin sections commercially and started using the place where a major meteorite scientists told me was best. I never took the word of who made them. I had some made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this research) and then got long term meteorite scientists to pass them. Over the past few years a lot of scientists and serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I would know about it. I have had two individuals familiar with thin sections tell me that they have seen all of the thin sections that are regularly commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only one that comes close to my quality is the ones that Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover slips which means that they are not suitable for classification work - but the quality is there). My thin sections have been used by numerous institutions for classification work and I havent herd complaints. It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of attacking other people who walk on their turf in Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly. A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff questioned it he would ask in private to see more data and why this classification was made. I dont think that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be right or they may not. But a profesional with honest intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed to hurt farmer. This might be a good time to point out that I have always considered the hubes to be good friends but last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them (Including that
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorite ads - please explain
There are only a couple of dealers so stupid as to list a hundred of the same meteorite at the same time. That is the lamest auction strategy possible. Simply no chance of actual bidding an item up as there are so many to choose from. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorite ads - please explain i am not skyrock dealer, but upon nosing through ebay i noticed litterally 100's of meteorite ads with no bids at all. what is the strategy behind this? there are tons of skyrock listed that will never sell. why do people list them in this manner? is this a write-off, etc.,?! Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2nd Conference on Early Mars: Geologic, Hydrologic and Climatic Evolution and the Implications for Life
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/earlymars2004/ Second Conference on Early Mars: Geologic, Hydrologic and Climatic Evolution and the Implications for Life October 11-15, 2004 Jackson Hole, Wyoming FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT March 2004 Conveners - Steve Clifford, Lunar and Planetary Institute Jack Farmer, Arizona State University Robert Haberle, NASA Ames Research Center Horton Newsom, University of New Mexico Tim Parker, Jet Propulsion Laboratory Sponsored by Lunar and Planetary Institute, National Aeronautics and Space Administration PURPOSE AND SCOPE The influx of new data received from recent spacecraft missions to Mars, recent progress in early climate modeling, the growing evidence of the role of water in the planet's evolution, and the rapid pace of new discoveries about the origin and diversity of life on Earth have reinvigorated interest in both the conditions that prevailed on Mars during its first billion years of geologic history and their implications for the development of life. These issues were first addressed during the First Conference on Early Mars that was held in April 1997 at the LPI in Houston, Texas. This interdisciplinary meeting attracted approximately 185 terrestrial and planetary scientists from a variety of fields. The Second Conference on Early Mars is intended as the scientific successor to the 1997 meeting, sharing the same interdisciplinary scope and emphasis on discussion and debate. The purpose of the conference is twofold: (1) to consider how impacts, volcanism, and the presence of abundant water affected the physical and chemical environment that existed on Mars 4 G.y. ago, particularly as it related to the nature of the global climate, the existence of a primordial ocean, the origin of the valley networks, the geologic and mineralogic evolution of the surface, and the potential presence of local environments that may have been conducive to the development of life and the preservation of its signature in the geologic record; and (2) to discuss the investigations that might be conducted by present and future missions to test the hypotheses arising from (1). TIME AND LOCATION This five-day meeting will be held from October 11-15, 2004, at the Snake River Lodge in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. This location was chosen due to its proximity to the hydrothermal sites in Yellowstone National Park, which will be the focus of the mid-conference field trip on Wednesday, October 13. CONFERENCE FORMAT The conference technical sessions will be held Monday and Tuesday (with a topical emphasis on early Earth and Mars geologic, hydrologic, and climatic evolution) and then Thursday and Friday (emphasizing the origin of life, life in extreme environments, and related topics). A one-day field trip to a number of hydrothermal sites in Yellowstone National Park will be conducted on Wednesday. The conference program will consist of invited and contributed talks, panel discussions, and poster presentations, and will be supplemented by several special sessions and social events held throughout the meeting. Any scientist with relevant theoretical, experimental, or field experience is strongly encouraged to participate and to submit an abstract. Contingent upon review and acceptance by the program committee, abstracts will be published on a CD-ROM and distributed to conference participants at the meeting. The abstracts and preliminary program will also be available in electronic format and accessible via the conference Web page by August 25. FUTURE ANNOUNCEMENTS Further details regarding the program, topics for discussion, opportunities for participation, and guidelines for abstract and poster preparation will be included in the second announcement that will be posted on this Web site by May 12. INDICATION OF INTEREST To subscribe to a mailing list to receive electronic reminders and special announcements relating to the meeting via e-mail, please submit an electronic Indication of Interest form by May 10, 2004. Please submit the Indication of Interest even if you do not care about electronic notification of announcements. The number of interest forms will facilitate the planning of the meeting. CONTACT INFORMATION For further information regarding the format and scientific objectives of the conference, please contact Steve Clifford phone: 281-486-2146; e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For further information regarding conference logistics, contact Kimberly Taylor phone: 281-486-2151; fax: 281-486-2125; e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SCHEDULE May 12, 2004
Re: [meteorite-list] last years park forest meteorite headlines
Rob, Ill bet the Hupes would gladly take $30,000 for it now, as Lang still has the room crap. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] last years park forest meteorite headlines In a message dated 26/03/04 15:25:26 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In all the hype last year during the fall Rob Elliottoffered one guy $30,000 for his meteorite and the guyturned Rob down.I doubt that anybody would offer that now but I wonderif anybody knows if the guy ever sold his meteoriteand if so what he got for it?Curius minds are just wonderingCheersDEANYep and I'd have paid it happily, but he (Noe Garza) already had a tentative offer of $50,000 for the "Garza Stone", so my $30k offer fell flat.However, I did purchase some other nice pieces from Noe, including the 178g end piece which broke off the mass when it hit the wooden joist in the attic, and made the second hole in the ceiling plaster. Oddly, this 178g piece bounced around inside the bedroom and then flew right out of the window before being picked up on the patio.Other souvenirs that came home with me were the wooden joist - smashed into 4 or 5 pieces but which still assembles beautifully - and the punched-out ceiling plaster discs from the holes.One of the coolest fragments from the Garza Stone is a small end piece with ceiling plaster and window sill paint over the fusion crust. Gregory Wilson is now the proud owner of this piece, and I'm sure he'll post some pictures of it later.My Park Forest pics are still online at http://fernlea.tripod.com/park.htmlFun times, fondly remembered!Cheers,Rob Elliottwww.meteorites.uk.comFernlea Meteorites,The Wynd,Off Dickson Lane,Milton of Balgonie,Fife. KY7 6PYUnited KingdomTel: +44-(0)1592-751563Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]PC # 1
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
Mike, The reason Greg requested to come along is because the ratios on your expeditions were not adding up. Do not forget who financed the largest portion of your so called investment expeditions until we took the big burn, you know what we mean. As a matter of fact, on successive expeditions, rare stones were showing up less and less with weight discrepancies. The last expedition we were involved in with you did not produce a single achondrite. There was no accountability for what was being purchased with our money so call it a surprise audit in which you failed. We were busy running a succesful corporation at the time so we did not have time to go into the field. After we sold the company, we decided we could do a better job ourselves in Morocco and did not use your contacts. You were not the first to work Morocco as there had been other dealers in there years before you. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Dean, I must quote you The Hupes turf in Morocco Sorry but, they are a couple of years behind me. I took Greg Hupe to Morocco at his request and showed him everything. Now look at what it gets me, screwed. The Hupes said for years We are not dealers, we are not dealers. Now they come off as the largest dealers in the world like Casper. 150 items a day on eBay. Welcome to the club, they will harass anyone not them and make it look like you are the one instigating it. One of the top scientists in the world classified my LL6/7, if that is what he says it is, then I believe him until another scientist proves otherwise. I think he knows what he is doing and can explain why he gave it that classification. I am not a scientist, don't want to be and certainly don't pretend to be like some people do. Now that you are on their hit list, welcome to the club and hang on for more $%^$%$ emails attacking you. Mike Farmer Before I started selling thin sections I went to all of the major places (Including mining companies) that made thin sections commercially and started using the place where a major meteorite scientists told me was best. I never took the word of who made them. I had some made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this research) and then got long term meteorite scientists to pass them. Over the past few years a lot of scientists and serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I would know about it. I have had two individuals familiar with thin sections tell me that they have seen all of the thin sections that are regularly commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only one that comes close to my quality is the ones that Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover slips which means that they are not suitable for classification work - but the quality is there). My thin sections have been used by numerous institutions for classification work and I havent herd complaints. It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of attacking other people who walk on their turf in Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly. A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff questioned it he would ask in private to see more data and why this classification was made. I dont think that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be right or they may not. But a profesional with honest intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed to hurt farmer. This might be a good time to point out that I have always considered the hubes to be good friends but last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them (Including that 474 gram Twisted sister meteorite that I bought from the people that normally deal with the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up with cutsy names like that. I wonder if Twisted Sister will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and does the tune we're not going to take it come daning in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last week I bought a large number more achondrites in Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes are looking at me as a serious threat because typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20 kilo
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
You're right Adam, you never used Aid Mohammed or Mohammed Sbai (Right) he is in the photos and was your driver like he was our driver when Greg and I went. Both who worked for me from my first trip to Morocco. I know many people (All European) had been working in Morocco before more, I never claim otherwise, but I went there cold with Michael Cottingham, we had no information other than going to the Desert. I started out that way. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Mike, The reason Greg requested to come along is because the ratios on your expeditions were not adding up. Do not forget who financed the largest portion of your so called investment expeditions until we took the big burn, you know what we mean. As a matter of fact, on successive expeditions, rare stones were showing up less and less with weight discrepancies. The last expedition we were involved in with you did not produce a single achondrite. There was no accountability for what was being purchased with our money so call it a surprise audit in which you failed. We were busy running a succesful corporation at the time so we did not have time to go into the field. After we sold the company, we decided we could do a better job ourselves in Morocco and did not use your contacts. You were not the first to work Morocco as there had been other dealers in there years before you. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale Dean, I must quote you The Hupes turf in Morocco Sorry but, they are a couple of years behind me. I took Greg Hupe to Morocco at his request and showed him everything. Now look at what it gets me, screwed. The Hupes said for years We are not dealers, we are not dealers. Now they come off as the largest dealers in the world like Casper. 150 items a day on eBay. Welcome to the club, they will harass anyone not them and make it look like you are the one instigating it. One of the top scientists in the world classified my LL6/7, if that is what he says it is, then I believe him until another scientist proves otherwise. I think he knows what he is doing and can explain why he gave it that classification. I am not a scientist, don't want to be and certainly don't pretend to be like some people do. Now that you are on their hit list, welcome to the club and hang on for more $%^$%$ emails attacking you. Mike Farmer Before I started selling thin sections I went to all of the major places (Including mining companies) that made thin sections commercially and started using the place where a major meteorite scientists told me was best. I never took the word of who made them. I had some made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this research) and then got long term meteorite scientists to pass them. Over the past few years a lot of scientists and serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I would know about it. I have had two individuals familiar with thin sections tell me that they have seen all of the thin sections that are regularly commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only one that comes close to my quality is the ones that Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover slips which means that they are not suitable for classification work - but the quality is there). My thin sections have been used by numerous institutions for classification work and I havent herd complaints. It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of attacking other people who walk on their turf in Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly. A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff questioned it he would ask in private to see more data and why this classification was made. I dont think that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be right or they may not. But a profesional with honest intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed to hurt farmer. This might be a good time to point out that I have always considered the hubes to be good friends but last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them (Including that 474 gram Twisted sister meteorite that I bought from the people that normally deal with the
[meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that "let's try my luck" won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard
[meteorite-list] Vacuum versus Oven
Dear list I was wondering if anyone is using a vacuum chamber after soaking meteorites in alcohol to dry them. I made some tests and it seems to work well. I use a lab vacuum pump and my chamber is a dedicated for meteroites aluminium pressure cooker ! Not the one I use for couscous, of course. A vacuum chamber is used to metalize sections for the MEB. I am then thinking that vacuum does not harm meteorites. Thanks for any reply best regards Michel Michel FRANCO Caillou Noir www.caillou-noir.com BP 16, 100 Chemin des Campènes 74400 Les Praz de Chamonix FRANCE __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht I meant that the owner who sent you the email made the mistake Bernhard. Trust me, the meteorite is from Arizona, not Washington. If you come over, please call me, we can go hunting or something if you like. Mike Farmer It was nice to meet you in Munich. - Original Message - From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Mike Farmer pointed me to an error I made: It is Lake Havasu, of course. I'll learn it by heart when I go there from Austria this June *g* Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht Mike Farmer pointed me to an error I made: It is Lake Havasu, of course. I'll learn it by heart when I go there from Austria this June *g* Bernhard
RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Title: Nachricht My fault, I mispelled it :-) Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael FarmerSent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:19 PMTo: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I thinkl the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. Mike - Original Message - From: Bernhard "Rendelius" Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that "let's try my luck" won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs Light Up The Sky Over Canada
Ok? I will bite. Seems I missed something. Are we referring to the fireball? or Tagish Lake? Even if you can swim, and found the meteorite, the Canadian government would not let you keep it.. would it? It would have been nice if Tagish Lake were magnetic.. then you could at least trying scouring the bottom with a magnet. But alas.. it was Carbonaceous. Another question... Someone mentioned the fireball lasting 3 hours?? Now That is strange. All ufos I ever saw for long periods, just sat still and tried to hide among the stars. Sometimes they would zigzag. Sometimes they would just take their sweet times traveling around. Sometimes they would make a humming noise. Other times they were silent. Sometimes they would pulsate or glow different colors. Other times just were a blue white like a star... blending in. Anyway.. This just sounded strange to me.. 3 hours. Or am I just misinterpreting the info? P.S. Roman.. do you have a list of your metal specimen plates listed somewhere? Mark said to ask you. Rosie - Original Message - From: Roman Jirasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs Light Up The Sky Over Canada You - no name. Can't swim? Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs Light Up The Sky Over Canada Oh goodyamother possible opportunity for the Canadian government to let another meteorite disolve into oblivion, ala Tagish Lake. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning no subject email
Hi list, I just received a list letter from ME with No subject in the title line and an exe. file attachment. This was not from me (at least by my will) a probably a virus. I in the process of refreshing my anti-virus software and of course don't open this attachment. Any hotshot advise will be listened to and my apologies... Hi Howard and List, At the moment I keep getting such posts almost every day. One came from a respected, reputable list member but the attachment (No, I did *not* open it) contained unambiguously pornographic stuff. Of course, this list member * did not * send that stuff - something I am absolutely sure of! So beware! Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning no subject email
It didn't come from you Howard. It originated from the Chicago/Wisconsin area from a computer called Karen using Verizon DSL. Dave Howard Wu wrote: Hi list, I just received a list letter from ME with No subject in the title line and an exe. file attachment. This was not from me (at least by my will) a probably a virus. I in the process of refreshing my anti-virus software and of course don't open this attachment. Any hotshot advise will be listen to and my appollogies... Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Mike and Bernhard, I never could see a reference to Washington. There is a Franconia Wash there and presumably it came from private land north of it? Just my theory, Dave Michael Farmer wrote: I meant that the owner who sent you the email made the mistake Bernhard. Trust me, the meteorite is from Arizona, not Washington. If you come over, please call me, we can go hunting or something if you like. Mike Farmer It was nice to meet you in Munich. - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Mike Farmer pointed me to an error I made: It is Lake Havasu, of course. I'll learn it by heart when I go there from Austria this June *g* Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Franconia Wash
Title: Nachricht Hi Mike and List, Mike wrote: Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I think the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. You mentioned the bit about the wrong state yesterday, which was confusing to me because not once did Bernhard even mention the state (Arizona).All he said was "near Franconia Wash" or "near Franconia Wash(north of Lake Havalu sic)" Obviously he meant Lake Havasu, so I don't see anyconfusion over the location. --Rob
[meteorite-list] Oriented stone - ad
Hi all, As you know, I rarely advertise on the list. However, I have an exceptional oriented stone on eBay with NO MINIMUM - NO RESERVE that is really worth seeing. You will enjoy the photos, which can be maximized - check the incredible regmaglypting - which is truly exceptional in any sized stone, but amazing in a stone this small. Great flow lines and bubbling back side it has it all. And right now, $1 would take it! Worth seeing, even if not in the market for a killer oriented stone meteorite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2234453694ssPageName=ADME:L:DS:US:8 Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning no subject email
She has a 256k modem, and is left handed and ate Cheerio's for breakfast. And as superman would say: blue. ;-) Let's find a meteorite today! Dave F. Dave Andrews wrote: It didn't come from you Howard. It originated from the Chicago/Wisconsin area from a computer called Karen using Verizon DSL. Dave Howard Wu wrote: Hi list, I just received a list letter from ME with No subject in the title line and an exe. file attachment. This was not from me (at least by my will) a probably a virus. I in the process of refreshing my anti-virus software and of course don't open this attachment. Any hotshot advise will be listen to and my appollogies... Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_messenger/*http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash
Obviously, Mike F. took Fraconia Wash to mean Faconia, Wash. - meaning a place with the name of Fraconia in the state of Washington, rather than a place with the name of Fraconia Wash which happens to be in the state of Arizona. There was never any misunderstanding about Lake Havasu mentioned. Hope this is the end of a LONG list of emails over misinterpretations. That is one killer stone I, for one, would love to be able to afford! Best wishes to all, Michael On Friday, March 26, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Mike and List, Mike wrote: >Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north > of Lake Havasu, I think the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. You mentioned the bit about the wrong state yesterday, which was confusing to me becausenot once did Bernhard even mention the state (Arizona). All he said was near Franconia Wash or near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu sic>) Obviously he meant Lake Havasu, so I don't see any confusion over the location. --Rob
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
One of the major geographical features in the Franconia area is a large wash appropriately named Franconia Wash. The person trying to sell the 8.35 lb. stone is referring to this place (there is a residential area nearby) and not the state of Washington. John At 10:18 AM 3/26/2004 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I thinkl the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. Mike - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpghttp://metcollector.rendelius .com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpghttp://metcollector.rende lius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that let's try my luck won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 26, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Rats in New York - sol 81, Mar 26, 2004 Spirit began sol 81, which ended at 11:02 a.m. PST on March 26, 2004, by stopping the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer integration and then imaging the instrument's placement with the hazard avoidance camera. The rest of this sol was all about grinding into the target New York on the rock named Mazatzal. The rock abrasion tool operated on the New York target for three hours and forty-five minutes and created an impression in the rock that was 3.79 millimeters (.15 inches) deep. The angular shape of Mazatzal and the fact that the rock is a little harder than previously abraded rocks allowed the more flat side of the circular target to receive a more intense grind. On sol 83, the science and engineering teams plan to again place Spirit's rock abrasion tool onto the rock, overlapping the already abraded area and reaching the area just to the left. Spirit will spend most of sol 82, which will end at 11:42 a.m. PST on March 27, 2004, analyzing the rock abrasion tool impression with the microscopic imager, Mössbauer spectrometer and alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. The rover will also place the microscopic imager over a clean surface to the upper left of the ratted area and take some images. The wake-up song today was Boy from New York City by The Manhattan Transfer, in honor of the grind on the New York target. Spirit's odometer now reads: 492 meters - more than a quarter of a mile! OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity and 'The Lion King' - sol 60, Mar 26, 2004 On sol 60, which ended at 10:44 p.m. PST on March 25, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity had a quiet day continuing its research around the exterior of Eagle Crater. Opportunity changed tools from the Moessbauer spectrometer to the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer around 11:30 Local Solar Time. In addition to the tool change, Opportunity's panoramic camera took a comprehensive color high-resolution panorama. The rover team dubbed it the Lion King Panorama because it is a look around Opportunity's domain from a high vantage point -- much like the view from Pride Rock in The Lion King movie. The large panorama essentially filled the remaining flash memory volume onboard the spacecraft, requiring a plan for sol 61 that minimizes data collection. The miniature thermal emission spectrometer also collected remote sensing data. The wake up song for sol 60 was The Circle of Life by Elton John in honor of the Lion King panorama. The plan for sol 61, which will end at 11:23 p.m. on March 26 PST, is to drive north to an area with dark material. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic
Hi Mark, Great to see you show your true mentallity. Racist hateful imbecile. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
[meteorite-list] Park Forest Article in Chicago Tribune
`Park Forest Meteorite Fall': One year, many deals later By Sean D. Hamill Special to the Tribune March 26, 2004 Kaahhh-boooOOO! An instant before a light lit up the sky over Chicago's southern suburbs just before midnight on March 26, 2003, a sonic boom walloped the air. Then came dozens of flourishes in quick succession, as if it were the finale of the 4th of July fireworks. Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! At the time, no one could have known that these sights and sounds, centered over the middle-class town of Park Forest, foretold a whirlwind of greed for some, salvation for others and an education for all. It was definitely unique in that it was the most populous area ever struck by a fall of this size, said Menakshi Wadhwa, the Field Museum's meteorite curator. For a meteorite curator, what better thing could you ask for? Meteorites hit the Earth all the time. And through history some have hit cars, homes and even cows. But, in large part because 70 percent of the globe is covered in water, never before have so many meteorites hit all at once in such a densely populated area. Still, it might have been easy to miss the story. Coming a week after the beginning of the present Persian Gulf war, it played on the inside pages of most newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, and generated small reports on local television and radio. Soon, the story faded from view. In the simplest terms, meteorites are fragments of a meteor that has broken up as it entered Earth's atmosphere. Meteors are generally considered smaller than asteroids, and both are stony, metal-laden objects with important stories to tell. The processes that formed this meteor are the processes present at the very beginning of the solar system, said the Indian-born Wadhwa, one of the world's foremost meteorite authorities. If you can understand what went into it, you can understand the building blocks of what went into the creation of our own planet. Peter Brown, assistant professor of astronomy at Western Ontario University in Canada, refers to the Park Forest object as a meteoroid because he now believes, based on his studies over the last year, that when it entered the atmosphere it weighed up to 10 tons and was about 5 feet in diameter. While Wadhwa has focused on trying to figure out what the meteor is made up of and how it was made, Brown has been trying to figure out exactly where it came from. The Park Forest meteor is pretty important, Brown said. It's only the eighth time ever where we've made an accurate orbit of a meteoroid. Brown and his colleagues are convinced it came from the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, but, at some point in its 4.6 billion-year life, it was struck by something that threw it into a much longer elliptical orbit. Once that happened, it's just a matter of time before it hits the Earth, or heads into the sun, or gets knocked out of the solar system, he said. Despite astronomical odds, this meteor headed here. Fortunately for residents of the southwest suburbs, this meteor was an L5, or low iron, chondrite meteor, said Wadhwa, who recently completed a scientific paper on the meteor with University of Chicago assistant professor Steve Simon. These are among the most common meteors, and unlike some heavy iron meteors, they largely disintegrate before they hit the Earth. 44,000 m.p.h. When it hit the Earth's atmosphere Brown estimates it was traveling up to 44,000 m.p.h. Thousands of pieces were scattered over a six-mile-wide field that stretched from Olympia Fields to Crete, but centered over Park Forest. Three things make meteorite collectors excited, said Michael Blood, a meteorite dealer from San Diego. If it was a witnessed fall, if it hit something, and if it's a rare petrographical type. This wasn't [petrographically] rare, but it was witnessed and hit a number of things, said Blood, 58, who has been dealing in stones from space for 15 years. This was the biggest event in modern times among the meteorite collecting community. Within a few hours of the fall, about 30 major meteorite collectors and dealers from around the globe were headed to Chicago. People thought they were going to be millionaires, said Adam Hupe, a meteorite collector from Renton, Wash., who made it to Park Forest the day after the fall but left just a few days later because the price was too high. I told people to call us when all the hype died down. Within days after the Park Forest Meteorite Fall as it has become known, the price quickly rose from $1 a gram (meteorites are always sold by the metric weight of grams) to $20. It wasn't just collectors and dealers driving the price up, either. Scientists like Wadhwa joined the fray. She eventually bought five meteorites, but one that she and many other museums would love to have is one Blood is trying to sell on consignment for brothers Adam and Greg Hupe. Garzas gain reknown Known as the Garza Stone, it is
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Article in Chicago Tribune
And what's the point of wasting space with that old hat? `Park Forest Meteorite Fall': One year, many deals later By Sean D. Hamill Special to the Tribune March 26, 2004 Kaahhh-boooOOO! An instant before a light lit up the sky over Chicago's southern suburbs just before midnight on March 26, 2003, a sonic boom walloped the air. Then came dozens of flourishes in quick succession, as if it were the finale of the 4th of July fireworks. Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! At the time, no one could have known that these sights and sounds, centered over the middle-class town of Park Forest, foretold a whirlwind of greed for some, salvation for others and an education for all. It was definitely unique in that it was the most populous area ever struck by a fall of this size, said Menakshi Wadhwa, the Field Museum's meteorite curator. For a meteorite curator, what better thing could you ask for? Meteorites hit the Earth all the time. And through history some have hit cars, homes and even cows. But, in large part because 70 percent of the globe is covered in water, never before have so many meteorites hit all at once in such a densely populated area. Still, it might have been easy to miss the story. Coming a week after the beginning of the present Persian Gulf war, it played on the inside pages of most newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, and generated small reports on local television and radio. Soon, the story faded from view. In the simplest terms, meteorites are fragments of a meteor that has broken up as it entered Earth's atmosphere. Meteors are generally considered smaller than asteroids, and both are stony, metal-laden objects with important stories to tell. The processes that formed this meteor are the processes present at the very beginning of the solar system, said the Indian-born Wadhwa, one of the world's foremost meteorite authorities. If you can understand what went into it, you can understand the building blocks of what went into the creation of our own planet. Peter Brown, assistant professor of astronomy at Western Ontario University in Canada, refers to the Park Forest object as a meteoroid because he now believes, based on his studies over the last year, that when it entered the atmosphere it weighed up to 10 tons and was about 5 feet in diameter. While Wadhwa has focused on trying to figure out what the meteor is made up of and how it was made, Brown has been trying to figure out exactly where it came from. The Park Forest meteor is pretty important, Brown said. It's only the eighth time ever where we've made an accurate orbit of a meteoroid. Brown and his colleagues are convinced it came from the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, but, at some point in its 4.6 billion-year life, it was struck by something that threw it into a much longer elliptical orbit. Once that happened, it's just a matter of time before it hits the Earth, or heads into the sun, or gets knocked out of the solar system, he said. Despite astronomical odds, this meteor headed here. Fortunately for residents of the southwest suburbs, this meteor was an L5, or low iron, chondrite meteor, said Wadhwa, who recently completed a scientific paper on the meteor with University of Chicago assistant professor Steve Simon. These are among the most common meteors, and unlike some heavy iron meteors, they largely disintegrate before they hit the Earth. 44,000 m.p.h. When it hit the Earth's atmosphere Brown estimates it was traveling up to 44,000 m.p.h. Thousands of pieces were scattered over a six-mile-wide field that stretched from Olympia Fields to Crete, but centered over Park Forest. Three things make meteorite collectors excited, said Michael Blood, a meteorite dealer from San Diego. If it was a witnessed fall, if it hit something, and if it's a rare petrographical type. This wasn't [petrographically] rare, but it was witnessed and hit a number of things, said Blood, 58, who has been dealing in stones from space for 15 years. This was the biggest event in modern times among the meteorite collecting community. Within a few hours of the fall, about 30 major meteorite collectors and dealers from around the globe were headed to Chicago. People thought they were going to be millionaires, said Adam Hupe, a meteorite collector from Renton, Wash., who made it to Park Forest the day after the fall but left just a few days later because the price was too high. I told people to call us when all the hype died down. Within days after the Park Forest Meteorite Fall as it has become known, the price quickly rose from $1 a gram (meteorites are always sold by the metric weight of grams) to $20. It wasn't just collectors and dealers driving the price up, either. Scientists like Wadhwa joined the fray. She eventually bought five meteorites, but one that she and many
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Article in Chicago Tribune
Is it the planetary alignment? Eveybody's lookin' for a fight today. -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 And what's the point of wasting space with that old hat? `Park Forest Meteorite Fall': One year, many deals later By Sean D. Hamill Special to the Tribune March 26, 2004 Kaahhh-boooOOO! An instant before a light lit up the sky over Chicago's southern suburbs just before midnight on March 26, 2003, a sonic boom walloped the air. Then came dozens of flourishes in quick succession, as if it were the finale of the 4th of July fireworks. Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! Ka-POW! At the time, no one could have known that these sights and sounds, centered over the middle-class town of Park Forest, foretold a whirlwind of greed for some, salvation for others and an education for all. It was definitely unique in that it was the most populous area ever struck by a fall of this size, said Menakshi Wadhwa, the Field Museum's meteorite curator. For a meteorite curator, what better thing could you ask for? Meteorites hit the Earth all the time. And through history some have hit cars, homes and even cows. But, in large part because 70 percent of the globe is covered in water, never before have so many meteorites hit all at once in such a densely populated area. Still, it might have been easy to miss the story. Coming a week after the beginning of the present Persian Gulf war, it played on the inside pages of most newspapers, including the Chicago Tribune, and generated small reports on local television and radio. Soon, the story faded from view. In the simplest terms, meteorites are fragments of a meteor that has broken up as it entered Earth's atmosphere. Meteors are generally considered smaller than asteroids, and both are stony, metal-laden objects with important stories to tell. The processes that formed this meteor are the processes present at the very beginning of the solar system, said the Indian-born Wadhwa, one of the world's foremost meteorite authorities. If you can understand what went into it, you can understand the building blocks of what went into the creation of our own planet. Peter Brown, assistant professor of astronomy at Western Ontario University in Canada, refers to the Park Forest object as a meteoroid because he now believes, based on his studies over the last year, that when it entered the atmosphere it weighed up to 10 tons and was about 5 feet in diameter. While Wadhwa has focused on trying to figure out what the meteor is made up of and how it was made, Brown has been trying to figure out exactly where it came from. The Park Forest meteor is pretty important, Brown said. It's only the eighth time ever where we've made an accurate orbit of a meteoroid. Brown and his colleagues are convinced it came from the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, but, at some point in its 4.6 billion-year life, it was struck by something that threw it into a much longer elliptical orbit. Once that happened, it's just a matter of time before it hits the Earth, or heads into the sun, or gets knocked out of the solar system, he said. Despite astronomical odds, this meteor headed here. Fortunately for residents of the southwest suburbs, this meteor was an L5, or low iron, chondrite meteor, said Wadhwa, who recently completed a scientific paper on the meteor with University of Chicago assistant professor Steve Simon. These are among the most common meteors, and unlike some heavy iron meteors, they largely disintegrate before they hit the Earth. 44,000 m.p.h. When it hit the Earth's atmosphere Brown estimates it was traveling up to 44,000 m.p.h. Thousands of pieces were scattered over a six-mile-wide field that stretched from Olympia Fields to Crete, but centered over Park Forest. Three things make meteorite collectors excited, said Michael Blood, a meteorite dealer from San Diego. If it was a witnessed fall, if it hit something, and if it's a rare petrographical type. This wasn't [petrographically] rare, but it was witnessed and hit a number of things, said Blood, 58, who has been dealing in stones from space for 15 years. This was the biggest event in modern times among the meteorite collecting community. Within a few hours of the fall, about 30 major meteorite collectors and dealers from around the globe were headed to Chicago. People thought they were going to be millionaires, said Adam Hupe, a meteorite collector from Renton, Wash., who made it to Park Forest the day after the fall but left just a few days later because the price was too high. I told people to call us when all the hype died down. Within days after the Park Forest Meteorite Fall as it has
[meteorite-list] Request: Cohen book(s) on meteorites
Listees, the date of April 13th, 2005, marks the 100th anniversary of Emil Cohen´s death. Cohen (*1842, professor of mineralogy and geology at the university of Greifswald, Germany, 1885-1905) was one of the very early meteoriticists who wrote a famous book triplet in German language titled Meteoritenkunde I-III, 1063 pages, Schweizerbartsche Verlagsbuchhandlung Stuttgart, which has been sold out for a long time, and still is. This is a collectible, like so many others (e.g. Buchwald´s trilogy on iron meteorites), which are badly sought after by meteorite collectors also interested in the classical literature, like me. I fortunately have the Buchwald books, but I still miss the Cohen books (or a copy of these) in my library, and the usually well- known suppliers in this special field don´t seem to have one for sale, as far as I know. I was offered a CD Rom copy recent- ly, but I am sort of old-fashioned in this respect and prefer something where I can turn the pages... :-) So, may be there will be another special issue in commemoration of the 100th anniversary cited above next year, but apart from this someone of you folks out there may possibly provide something yet unknown to me in this respect which may be of help getting a copy for my library... Alex Berlin, Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Hola, Just a thought Mike on what might be the problem ! Franconia Wash - Arizona Feature Name: Franconia Wash Feature Type: stream State: Arizona County: Mohave Latitude: 34.73778 Longitude: -114.25833 Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico Subj: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Date:3/26/2004 12:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time From:Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I thinkl the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. Mike - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that let's try my luck won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic
I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill. I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers!
Yes, people, I got my mistake, SORRY. My bad. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Hola, Just a thought Mike on what might be the problem ! Franconia Wash - Arizona Feature Name: Franconia Wash Feature Type: stream State: Arizona County: Mohave Latitude: 34.73778 Longitude: -114.25833 Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico Subj: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Date:3/26/2004 12:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time From:Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) Bernhard, something is wrong here, Franconia is a place in Arizona, and it is north of Lake Havasu, I thinkl the guy either cant spell or doesnt know which state he is in. Mike - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia Wash Meteorite (8.35 pounds) new pics - last day for offers! Greetings, on behalf of the finder, I still accept bids for the 8.35 pounds oriented remaglypted meteorite that was found on his property near Franconia Wash (north of Lake Havalu). Once again, here is the pic of the meteorite: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/franc.jpg A list member asked for pics showing the bottom of the meteorite, and the finder sent me these two pics: http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew1.jpg http://metcollector.rendelius.com/francnew2.jpg I don't want to tell you what the highest offer is (I think it is not common habit when offering something the way I do). All I can say that let's try my luck won't win anymore :-). But serious and reasonable offers are still welcome and do have a chance. Rest assured that I, as middle man in this deal, do not take part in the offering (though my mouth is quite wet *g*). I close this offer on Saturday noon EST, and I will put the one with the highest offer in contact with the finder. Good luck! Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest
Hello Bill and list What race is gang? Do you understand what comic means? If I felt the need to defend it, I would go through last years archives...where several list members mention gang activity in the fall area and post former quotesbut I, like Adam, do not see a reason to defend myself to someone who's only contribution to the list or this field is attacks on others. As far as why I didn't answer any of your e-mails yet. If you have been paying any attention to the postings I have made the last couple days, I have been busy showing the Wichita meteorite (and others) to the local public today. I just got home. We had over 300 visitors ...but I don't have the time at this moment to talk about the display or your attack #4464 on a list membere-mail any more. I will forward your first e-mail to me today because it is quite different then your last two. I ask that list members read it and Bill's other e-mails today, then look in list archives and read former Bill postings. I don't think I have to say anything else. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas30 miles from Conway Springs...Nininger's birthtown. www.meteoritearticles.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:18 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, "Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill." I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed.Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:04 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic Hi Mark,Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one.Thanks,Bill To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc Hi Mark, Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one. Thanks, Bill
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest
Sorry Mark, Anyone with a little common sense can look at your comic and see the implications. You consider all my previous comments to be ignorant, fine. That picture is the worst garbage I've seen here yet. What's next meteorite porno? Let the members decide. I'm disgusted. Bill Kieskowski Hello Bill and list What race is gang? Do you understand what comic means? If I felt the need to defend it, I would go through last years archives..where several list members mention gang activity in the fall area and post former quotesbut I, like Adam, do not see a reason to defend myself to someone who's only contribution to the list or this field is attacks on others. As far as why I didn't answer any of your e-mails yet. If you have been paying any attention to the postings I have made the last couple days, I have been busy showing the Wichita meteorite (and others) to the local public today. I just got home. We had over 300 visitors ...but I don't have the time at this moment to talk about the display or your attack #4464 on a list member e-mail any more. I will forward your first e-mail to me today because it is quite different then your last two. I ask that list members read it and Bill's other e-mails today, then look in list archives and read former Bill postings. I don't think I have to say anything else. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas30 miles from Conway Springs...Nininger's birthtown. www.meteoritearticles.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:18 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill. I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc Hello Bill and list What race is gang? Do you understand what comic means? If I felt the need to defend it, I would go through last years archives...where several list members mention gang activity in the fall area and post former quotesbut I, like Adam, do not see a reason to defend myself to someone who's only contribution to the list or this field is attacks on others. As far as why I didn't answer any of your e-mails yet. If you have been paying any attention to the postings I have made the last couple days, I have been busy showing the Wichita meteorite (and others) to the local public today. I just got home. We had over 300 visitors ...but I don't have the time at this moment to talk about the display or your attack #4464 on a list membere-mail any more. I will forward your first e-mail to me today because it is quite different then your last two. I ask that list members read it and Bill's other e-mails today, then look in list archives and read former Bill postings. I don't think I have to say anything else. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas30 miles from Conway Springs...Nininger's birthtown. www.meteoritearticles.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:18 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, "Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill." I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed.Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest
Yeah, Why do you suppose i said that? I wanted a copy as evidence before you deleted it. Bill Kieskowski Hi Mark, Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:04 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic Hi Mark,Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one.Thanks,Bill To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest
If one single soul here can defend that image, I'd like to hear it. Bill Kieskowski Yeah, Why do you suppose i said that? I wanted a copy as evidence before you deleted it. Bill Kieskowski Hi Mark, Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 4:04 PM To: MARK BOSTICK Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic Hi Mark,Great comic. Can you send me one? The Park Forest one.Thanks,Bill To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Used to Calculate Earth's Age
For those who have an interest; I just came across a reference to the key role meteorites played in determining the final (and currently accepted) date for calculating the age of the earth. The source is a book titled The Man Who Found Time, by: Jack Repcheck (page 204). (The book is about James Hutton, who advanced the first persuasive argument that the Earth was older than the then accepted biblically calculated age.) Briefly quoting the relevant portion of the text - The final breakthrough came in the 1950s, when Claire Patterson, of Caltech, realized that the only way to get a completely accurate measurement of common lead decay was to leave the planet.focus[ed] on objects ... [that] allowed for more accurate lead decay calculations - meteorites. As Claire Patterson later related: 'Lead in iron meteorites was the kind of lead that was in the solar system when it was first formed, and ... it was preserved in iron meteorites without change from uranium decay, because there is no uranium in iron meteorites' By 1956, Patterson had calculated the age of the earth to be 4.6 billion years __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one single soul here can defend that image, I'd like to hear it. I suspect you're essentially alone in wanting to continuewith itat all. Didn't you post what's the point of wasting space... just a matter of hours ago? GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
Re: Fw: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park...
Gregory, I keep my comments brief. That was my point. Bill Kieskowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one single soul here can defend that image, I'd like to hear it. I suspect you're essentially alone in wanting to continue with it at all. Didn't you post what's the point of wasting space... just a matter of hours ago? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If one single soul here can defend that image, I'd like to hear it. I suspect you're essentially alone in wanting to continuewith itat all. Didn't you post what's the point of wasting space... just a matter of hours ago? GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Park Forest, New 'Rites Wrong (Park Forest) comic
Read this. This is the tact and intelligent diplomacy offered by IMCA representatives? Yeah I'll just send a check! Bill Kieskowski Bill, Congratulations! I didn't think anyone could successfully filled the pleasant void of Matteo's absence as you have. Just as the former, dogged every statement of Mr. Farmer, you are extremely consistent at nipping every Hupe utterance. But is is not just the Hupes. No one but yourself should be allowed to make any comment about Park Forest, comic or otherwise. They don't live there! How can they ever expect to know all the wonderful people of Park Forest like yourself? Well good for you, just keep it up and maybe Art will notice and Art will make those bad, bad people just disappear. ( Poof!) I also like the fact that I can clearly understand your every bitter sentence. You should be very proud! Ken Newton PS Why don't you ask everyone who is offended by Mark's cartoon to write you off list. ( Surely you will get an email! ) You can then send it to Mark as proof of his whatever it is that is so bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill. I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc http://www.imca.cc Bill, Congratulations! I didn't think anyone could successfully filled the pleasant void of Matteo's absence as you have. Just as the former, dogged every statement of Mr. Farmer, you are extremely consistent at nipping every Hupe utterance. But is is not just the Hupes. No one but yourself should be allowed to make any comment about Park Forest, comic or otherwise. They don't live there! How can they ever expect to know all the wonderful people of Park Forest like yourself? Well good for you, just keep it up and maybe Art will notice and Art will make those bad, bad people just disappear. ( Poof!) I also like the fact that I can clearly understand your every bitter sentence. You should be very proud! Ken Newton PS Why don't you ask everyone who is offended by Mark's cartoon to write you off list. ( Surely you will get an email! ) You can then send it to Mark as proof of his whatever it is that is so bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, "Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill." I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
[meteorite-list] write me on or off list about the Bostick comic
Good idea Ken, I invite all comments. Funny I haven't heard a single one supporting that distateful characterization. I'm sure members of this list surely don't need you to suggest how any of us should think. Bill Kieskowski Read this. This is the tact and intelligent diplomacy offered by IMCA representatives? Yeah I'll just send a check! Bill Kieskowski Bill, Congratulations! I didn't think anyone could successfully filled the pleasant void of Matteo's absence as you have. Just as the former, dogged every statement of Mr. Farmer, you are extremely consistent at nipping every Hupe utterance. But is is not just the Hupes. No one but yourself should be allowed to make any comment about Park Forest, comic or otherwise. They don't live there! How can they ever expect to know all the wonderful people of Park Forest like yourself? Well good for you, just keep it up and maybe Art will notice and Art will make those bad, bad people just disappear. ( Poof!) I also like the fact that I can clearly understand your every bitter sentence. You should be very proud! Ken Newton PS Why don't you ask everyone who is offended by Mark's cartoon to write you off list. ( Surely you will get an email! ) You can then send it to Mark as proof of his whatever it is that is so bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill. I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc http://www.imca.cc Bill, Congratulations! I didn't think anyone could successfully filled the pleasant void of Matteo's absence as you have. Just as the former, dogged every statement of Mr. Farmer, you are extremely consistent at nipping every Hupe utterance. But is is not just the Hupes. No one but yourself should be allowed to make any comment about Park Forest, comic or otherwise. They don't live there! How can they ever expect to know all the wonderful people of Park Forest like yourself? Well good for you, just keep it up and maybe Art will notice and Art will make those bad, bad people just disappear. ( Poof!) I also like the fact that I can clearly understand your every bitter sentence. You should be very proud! Ken Newton PS Why don't you ask everyone who is offended by Mark's cartoon to write you off list. ( Surely you will get an email! ) You can then send it to Mark as proof of his whatever it is that is so bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still waiting Mark. You posted that garbage. I can't wait to hear your expanation unless you are like Hupe. I quote, "Not that I have to explain anything to you Bill." I also found it amusing that Adam was offended by the fact that Dean didn't spell his name right. Forbid all that should make such an error. The self proclaimed scientist godhead should not be blasphemed. Bill Kieskowski To celebrate the 1st birthday of the Park Forest meteorite, Bruce Bolinger and myself have created a Park Forest comic. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/comic5.html I have the comic protected on my website, but feel free to e-mail me for the image. Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasabout 60 miles from the center of the United States. www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used to Calculate Earth's Age
Hi Richard, Thanks very much for the reference and the post! -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Richard Kuzma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used to Calculate Earth's Age For those who have an interest; I just came across a reference to the key role meteorites played in determining the final (and currently accepted) date for calculating the age of the earth. The source is a book titled The Man Who Found Time, by: Jack Repcheck (page 204). (The book is about James Hutton, who advanced the first persuasive argument that the Earth was older than the then accepted biblically calculated age.) Briefly quoting the relevant portion of the text - The final breakthrough came in the 1950s, when Claire Patterson, of Caltech, realized that the only way to get a completely accurate measurement of common lead decay was to leave the planet.focus[ed] on objects ... [that] allowed for more accurate lead decay calculations - meteorites. As Claire Patterson later related: 'Lead in iron meteorites was the kind of lead that was in the solar system when it was first formed, and ... it was preserved in iron meteorites without change from uranium decay, because there is no uranium in iron meteorites' By 1956, Patterson had calculated the age of the earth to be 4.6 billion years __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
