[meteorite-list] Chassigny missing mass
Hello List, Here is a message from Zelimir Gabelica that apparently can not send from his computer. Best wishes, Sabine --- Hi Pierre-Marie, Michael, list, Yes, we all here appreciated Pierre's April fool about Chassigny. I also felt very very concerned for a fraction of a secondbecause (and here Pierre is right again), with a friend here in Mulhouse, we had the same idea, thus that some 4+ kg of Chassigny (missing mass) could stay hidden within some attic in the Chassigny village or nearby. We also had the same idea to start a search...since 1998! It happens that my friend has close parents in that area and we then go there at least 2 times a year for inquiries (Chassigny is about 200 km distant from Mulhouse), while the local inhabitants have been alerted for our search through various posters, anouncements and...rumor. Even the Mayor of Chassigny (who happened to become a friend of mine as we plan to have some joint meteorite-venture with Ensisheim) knows about our quest, is feeling concerned and offered us his best help. However since then...just nothing! No response, not a single micro fragment, from any side. We don't stop our search as one never knowsbut chances are seriously decreasing since 7 years of our constant search to get the Holly Grail with a consequent possible Chassigny market bankrupt in case of a success???... (hey, this could be a nice consideration for Michael to speculate in his next Market trends in Meteorite Times ?) However this must not discourage you and I believe everybody can start the same kind of search so just...good luck!! And we can help you by giving you our numerous tips, patiently collected over the years...but only the day we decide to give up and stop definitely our search! This story is definitely NOT an April fool, just facts. Cheers to everybody, Zelimir Selon Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello to the List, Sorry that Michael took this news as an important one and not a (possible) joke on this day before looking at the date of post. Proof that I posted it on April 1st is that it appears on April meteorite-list archive (Fri Apr 1 00:54:29 EST 2005) (and it was April 1st in France)... I think that most of you, the List members, found it was a joke and have the sense of humour ; I received some emails in that way. I apologize if I've hurt anyone with my April fool... Anyway, it's always interesting to learn that about 4kg of Chassigny stones may sleep in an attic, and I'm serious when I say this. It could be a great idea to do some search in the Chassigny village. Best regards and the finding of this remain stone will be the dream and Holly Grail of every meteorite hunter for sure. Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com --- * Dr Sabine Valange Laboratoire de Catalyse en Chimie Organique (LACCO), ESIP 40 Avenue du Recteur Pineau F-86022 POITIERS Cedex, FRANCE Tel : +33 (0)5 49 45 40 48 Fax : +33 (0)5 49 45 33 49 E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] * __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] last AD + pictures+ new price
This is my last AD on this list. If it dont sell now, it go on ebay. http://home20.inet.tele.dk/stargazer/ I have enjoyed the list, over the last couple of years. But this is the end. Thank you and good bye Lars __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 4, 2005
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Re: [meteorite-list] last AD + pictures+ new price
Hi Lars, As Bernd already mentioned it, I understand and hope that everything will be all right again for you and your family as soon as possible, and that you'll be back one of these days. Meteorites are not the most important thing in life of course, far from that, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one who enjoyed sharing ideas and iformation with you during all that time. We will miss you. Very best wishes, Fred (meteoriteshow) - Original Message - From: Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] last AD + pictures+ new price This is my last AD on this list. If it dont sell now, it go on ebay. http://home20.inet.tele.dk/stargazer/ I have enjoyed the list, over the last couple of years. But this is the end. Thank you and good bye Lars __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] posters all gone
I have now sent out free meteorite posters to 11 people, and am holding 3 for 3 people who did not send me their address. Unfortunately there were a lot of people who did not follow my instructions and sent their request to the wrong e-address; none of those people got posters because their request went to my address for mailing lists, which I only read every other day. Thanks for all the interest in these posters. I am now trying to see if I can get more posters to send to those whose requests I could not fulfill. We'll see. Jeffrey Shallit __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteor?
I saw the fireball as I was driving home from work. The sky lit up and then got even brighter, and a few seconds later I saw the fireball about 1 second before it burned out. I was about 25 or 30 miles away from Park Forest at the time. I have my observation, with a map and a sketch of what I saw, on my webpage: http://dave-j.freeservers.com/ParkForest/parkforest_meteor.html joseph_town at att.net wrote: Nice presentation Mark, I'd just like to add that with a peak visual magnitude of -22 everyone within, I'm guessing, 20 or 30 miles? only witnessed the effect of night literally turning to day. Does anyone have an idea just how far away from ground zero you'd have to have been to see the meteor itself? Thanks, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tunguska Wood Sections last pieces
Hello Only for inform I have the last 4 sections of Tunguska wood for salethis is the time to take now this rare material why after I not have others. Price its $70 for slice, the measure its 9 x 10 cm. Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] taza for trade
i just got in a a 41 g taza. i wanted to cut-n-etch, this one is is just too cute to cut, it is a complete stone w/ gun barrel fusion crust- ice and smooth. it you have a SLICE of the same weightor smaller of this i am open for trades on it as it really is too nice to cut. any differnce in size to be made up with cash.pix on request. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] black vs. golden brahin olivines
why is some this have black crystals and others it is yellow-greenish color? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Auctions ending today...Good Bargins!
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Auctions ending today...Good Bargins! Hello, I have a few Auctions ending today.. Some Good Bargins! Go to: http://www.stores.ebay.com/voyagebotanicanaturalhistory Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] last AD + pictures+ new price
But Fred, having no meteorites for the moment, doesn't mean that one can't read, enjoy and post to the list! Martin - Original Message - From: Meteoriteshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] last AD + pictures+ new price Hi Lars, As Bernd already mentioned it, I understand and hope that everything will be all right again for you and your family as soon as possible, and that you'll be back one of these days. Meteorites are not the most important thing in life of course, far from that, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one who enjoyed sharing ideas and iformation with you during all that time. We will miss you. Very best wishes, Fred (meteoriteshow) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Trail Photos and Painting
Hi, Some nice photos of meteor and fireball trails, some of them very strange, can be found at: http://www.astroarts.co.jp/gallery/meteor.html This is a Japanese language website, so if you get the page in Japanese, go to: http://www.astroarts.co.jp/index.shtml, which is the English language version of the site, then click on Galleries, then Meteors to reach the photo page. For a gorgeous painting of a meteor shower, which was on the AstroArts site at one time but seems to have vanished from there, try this URL: http://shii.wakachan.net/~shii/yuushoh/src/382810213.jpg. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad -Auctions ending with Haag Catalog Material!
Dear List, I only have a few auctions ending tonight but they are worthy of a look. I am running three specimens from the Haag Collection, two of which are in his catalog. I am also running three desert Main Masses and a great looking complete stone. To see these auctions click on the link below: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=raremeteorites Some items of interest: TSAREV Meteorite from the Robert Haag Collection 978g. Starting priced at just $1.53 a gram you will have a hard time finding it any less expensive and this piece is illustrated in the Robert Haag Catalog! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522100522 Nadiabondi Meteorite from the Robert Haag Collection 263g - a rare fall listed in the Robert Haag Catalog. A starting price of just $3.04 a gram puts this specimen below the asking price of several NWA falls. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522099496 Cook Mystery Meteorite from the Robert Haag Collection 373.8g. I started this gorgeous slice out at just $1.00 a gram! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522098666 A beautiful flight marked and crusted NWA791 individual! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522102924 A giant 1kg plus meteorite started out at just 99 cents: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522097537 Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: posters all gone
Hmm..I sent my request within five minutes to the email address provided in your post?? Oh well. Thanks for the offer though. Ryan -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Shallit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 4, 2005 9:46 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] posters all gone I have now sent out free meteorite posters to 11 people, and am holding 3 for 3 people who did not send me their address. Unfortunately there were a lot of people who did not follow my instructions and sent their request to the wrong e-address; none of those people got posters because their request went to my address for mailing lists, which I only read every other day. Thanks for all the interest in these posters. I am now trying to see if I can get more posters to send to those whose requests I could not fulfill. We'll see. Jeffrey Shallit __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA Oriented, Mundrabilla, Taza, Santa Catharina
Hi. I have alot of auctions running and this is not end :) Tomorrow You can expect etched Dronino and for the first time MORASKO IIICD But right now.. Beautifull endpiece with fresh crust from unclassified chondrite, still 1euro http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6167234736 Two slices of Santa Catharina, ataxite from Brazil. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6522919624 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6168240720 Two beautifully etched half specimens of Mundrabilla IAB-an http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6167961601 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6522919643 LAST specimen of ALLENDE CV3.2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6522919628 Super shaped TAZA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6167960677 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Trail Photos and Painting
Hi, Some nice photos of meteor and fireball trails, some of them very strange in form, can be found at: http://www.astroarts.co.jp/gallery/meteor.html This is a Japanese language website, so if you get the page in Japanese, go to: http://www.astroarts.co.jp/index.shtml, which is the English language version of the site, then click on Galleries, then Meteors to reach the photo page. For a gorgeous painting of a meteor shower, which was on the AstroArts site at one time but seems to have vanished from there, try this URL: http://shii.wakachan.net/~shii/yuushoh/src/382810213.jpg. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lockheed Martin Delivers Atlas V to Cape Canveral for NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Mission
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fecci=16692rsbci=0fti=111ti=0sc=400 LOCKHEED MARTIN DELIVERS ATLAS V TO CAPE CANAVERAL FOR NASA'S MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER MISSION Atlas Launch Team Begins Preparations for the Next Mission to Mars in August Denver, CO, April 4, 2005 -- The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Lockheed Martin mark another significant milestone in the Mars space exploration program as .Lockheed Martin delivered the vehicle that will launch the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission to Mars. The Atlas V, designated AV-007, arrived at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla., where the launch team will now begin preparations for the August 10 liftoff. The AV-007 Atlas V launch vehicle, built by Lockheed Martin Space Systems at its facilities near Denver, Colo., was shipped from Denver to Cape Canaveral in two stages. The Centaur upper stage was shipped out first on March 29, aboard an Antonov AN-124 cargo aircraft and arrived at Cape Canaveral that afternoon. Two days later, the Atlas V's booster stage was shipped from Denver to Cape Canaveral March 31. The Atlas launch team will now begin horizontal processing of the Atlas V booster and Centaur upper stage in the high bay facility at the Atlas Spaceflight Operations Center at Launch Complex 41. The vehicle will undergo a series of subsystem and systems testing to verify flight readiness for the August 10 launch. The testing includes launch vehicle flight control testing, electrical system verifications, propulsion and pneumatic verifications, and interface checks between the booster and upper stage. When fully stacked, the Atlas V AV-007 launch vehicle with the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter safely contained inside the payload fairing will stand almost 19 stories tall at a height of 188 feet. This is a very exciting week for all of us on the Atlas program and the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter team said James V. Sponnick, Lockheed Martin Atlas program vice president. Atlas is taking us back to Mars and this year, in particular, holds a very special place in history for NASA and the exploration of our solar system. Atlas launched the Mariner missions to Mars in the 1960s, including Mariner 4, the first successful mission to Mars launched on an Atlas in November 1964. Mariner 4 provided the first ever close-up images of another planet in our solar system during its Mars flyby in 1965. We are extremely proud of the partnership we have shared with NASA that extends over four decades as we continue the journey of space exploration. The AV-007 vehicle uses the basic 401 configuration, with a 4-meter-diameter fairing and no solid rocket boosters. NASA selected Lockheed Martin and International Launch Services for the Atlas V launch service as well as the design, build and integration of the spacecraft, launch support and mission operations. This will be the third Atlas mission of the year. The Atlas series has achieved a record 76 successful flights in a row. The MRO spacecraft, which will be the largest spacecraft to orbit Mars weighing 4,796 lbs (2,180 kg) at liftoff, is also being built by Lockheed Martin at its facilities near Denver, Colo. The spacecraft is undergoing final testing and will be shipped to Kennedy Space Center at the end of April for final processing and launch aboard the Atlas V. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems is the prime contractor for the project. Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company, headquartered near Denver, Colo., is one of the major operating units of Lockheed Martin Corporation. Space Systems Company designs, develops, tests and manufactures a variety of advanced technology systems for space and defense. Chief products include space launch systems, defense systems, interplanetary and science spacecraft, spacecraft for commercial and government customers, fleet ballistic missiles and missile defense systems. For images of delivery of the Atlas V launch vehicle for the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter mission, go to: http://mediaarchive.ksc.nasa.gov/search.cfm Headquartered in Bethesda, Md., Lockheed Martin employs about 130,000 people worldwide and is principally engaged in the research, design, development, manufacture and integration of advanced technology systems, products and services. The corporation reported 2004 sales of $35.5 billion. Contact: Joan Underwood, 303-971-7398; e-mail, [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest for trade
I have a PF House impactor for trade with photos and newspaper article. See it here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6522910360rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMEUS%3AITrd=1 It didnt sell on ebay and I dont really need the cash, so here it is for trade. Im primarily interested in Chondrite individuals , oriented if ya got em! Email off list please. Thanks Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Mission Could Last 1, 000 Days if NASA Agrees
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/04/MNGBNC2S9B1.DTL Scientists push to keep scouting Mars Rovers' 90-day mission, now in its 15th month, could last 1,000 days if NASA agrees David Perlman San Francisco Chronicle April 4, 2005 Fifteen eventful months after the start of their scheduled three- month mission, the twin Mars rovers are still hard at it, functioning superbly as they wheel across the sands and past the rocks of a Martian landscape where evidence of ancient water seems undeniable. Now the Earthbound leaders of the robotic expedition -- using radio and sophisticated software to control every maneuver of the six-wheeled explorers and every deployment of their onboard instruments, and confronted from time to time with technical problems that could have spelled the mission's end -- are asking NASA to keep Spirit and Opportunity working for at least 18 more months, a request likely to be approved. We were good to go for 90 sols when we landed, said Jacob Matijevic, the mission's team chief for engineering, but at this stage it looks like 1, 000 sols -- that's our goal. Engineering-wise, we're in terrific shape. A sol is a full Martian day, somewhat longer than an Earth day at precisely 24 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds -- a difference that forces scientists and engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena to endure some awkward sleeping times trying to keep up with sunny days and dark nights on Mars. These days, the rovers are on the move every day. Spirit is climbing high in the Columbia Hills, and Opportunity is heading for a mysterious patch of etched terrain. But it's not always clear sailing. From the beginning, the mission's engineering teams have performed extraordinary feats whenever emergencies threatened -- and nature even stepped in recently to accomplish one repair job without human intervention. Spirit faced that newest crisis only a few weeks ago, when electric current from its solar panels dropped dangerously low. The panels on each rover normally provide 900 watt-hours of electricity to keep the vehicle moving and its instruments performing, but on sol 416 -- March 5 -- Matijevic and his team saw that Spirit's power levels had dropped by nearly two-thirds, down to 350 watt-hours. Its panoramic camera, focused on a calibration target aboard the vehicle, revealed that Martian dust had coated the target, and the engineers deduced that fine dust from abraded sand grains was also obscuring the solar panels. With so little power, Spirit and its instruments would soon be crippled. At that time, Spirit was driving up the slopes of the Columbia Hills, a major feature of the broad Gusev Crater where the rover landed in January 2004. It's a gusty place up there where we're climbing, said Steven W. Squyres, the Cornell astronomer who is the mission's science chief, and then our cameras detected several dust devils crossing over -- they were wind cleaning events, and the gusts apparently swept the dust off the panels, because a few mornings later the power levels jumped up to 800 watt-hours, and now we're safely back to 830. Last summer, Spirit challenged the engineers with a really tough and long- lasting problem when its right-front wheel began binding, as if something were obstructing its gear box. Each of the six wheels on the rovers operates independently, and each can be run individually by the engineers at Mission Control. We found the wheel was drawing more current than its limit, Matijevic said, and that it could possibly burn out the motor as well. The engineers turned then to the full-size model rover standing ready to move in the sand-covered test bed at the laboratory -- the hangar queen, as the team calls it -- where even the smallest part of the Mars rovers is duplicated. There they took the same wheel and the same gear box apart again and again, and tested them under every conceivable condition. Believe me, we did some very hard thinking and selective heating and ran that wheel in the test bed back and forth over and over again, and finally decided to have Spirit itself drive on only five wheels for a time and then drive backward some of the time, Matijevic said. It took months, but we finally found that lubricant wasn't flowing into the gear box properly. After giving the wheel on Mars some rest time, and taking time out between drives, and using that balky wheel only once a week and driving half the time forward and half the time backward -- we've now finally got the lubricant to flow properly again. Since then, he said, all they've needed to do is pay continued close attention to driving conditions, and the wheel is fully back in the family. But the engineers can't fix all the problems. One of the instruments on Spirit is in trouble now -- the Rock Abrasion Tool, better known as the RAT. The RAT is used to grind away the surface of rocks encountered by a rover, so the rover's spectrometers can identify the minerals and analyze
[meteorite-list] WTB, NWA 1933
Hello List, I am interested in a modest slice of NWA 1933, perhaps a individual stone? Please contact me off list Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: very nice NWA 482
Greetings. I have a very nice 2.5+ gram partslice of NWA 482 for sale on eBay ending Tuesday night at a very reasonable price. Check it out under my ID of indy1996. Thanks, Dave. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article
Geoff, Excuse my piggybacking. I'm unable to post directly. Is our current information sufficient to completely rule out the existence of a ring system for EARTH? Reading Harry McSween's Stardust to Planets brought back memories of John Glenn's first suborbital flight. Anyone my age or there abouts remembers his exclaiming at one point about firefly like particles streaming past his capsule, a comment that as far as I know was never publically addressed. The fact that rings exist in relation to so many of the planets which unlike Saturn, defied observation until relatively recently, gives me pause. Excuse my curiosity if it lacks sophistication. As a recent amateur meteoricist, I cannot dampen my enthusiasm for all the potential connections no matter how far fetched and unfounded they may be. An ring system consisting of extremely fine, yet undetected, particles could provide a constant source of dibris which slowed by contact with the atmosphere eventually deccelerates and plummet to earth, a constant source of IPDP [inter or intra]. My hope is that my recent memberships allows the priveledge of asking these kinds questions and getting responses from reliable sources. A decisive no with some short explaination is as welcome as any other answer for it at least acknowledges a question. Thank you for your time and consideration in advance. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article Dear Listees: Greetings from sunny Tucson. I'd like to draw your attention to an extremely interesting meteorite science/biology crossover article in the current online issue of Bio Science News: http://www.biosciencenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/8802_33-2005.htm Regards to all, Geoff N. www.notkin.net www.paleozoic.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated Sorry, Australia only! I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of your phony selling technikes. For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi, Steve, I am terribly sorry to disappointing you, Mate. Unfortunately I did a mistake in not changing on the ebay form Postto: Worldwide to Australia only. I only stated in the describtion ' Sorry, Australia only!' Haig is a meteorite I do not have permission to export it, and Iwould get into serious trouble as this would be a documented breach ofthe Movable Cultural Heritage Act. As much as I would like to send you this little pieces- I can't, and Iam really sorry, Steve! :'( So I am going to paypal
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article
I don't believe there is any way a ring system could be stable in a binary planet system (which is really what the Earth/Moon is). Theories of ring system formation seem to require a fairly large system of moons to capture and shepherd debris. Also, the effects of even a sparse ring system probably would not have gone unnoticed given all the satellites in orbit- particularly geostationary ones. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article Geoff, Excuse my piggybacking. I'm unable to post directly. Is our current information sufficient to completely rule out the existence of a ring system for EARTH? Reading Harry McSween's Stardust to Planets brought back memories of John Glenn's first suborbital flight. Anyone my age or there abouts remembers his exclaiming at one point about firefly like particles streaming past his capsule, a comment that as far as I know was never publically addressed. The fact that rings exist in relation to so many of the planets which unlike Saturn, defied observation until relatively recently, gives me pause. Excuse my curiosity if it lacks sophistication. As a recent amateur meteoricist, I cannot dampen my enthusiasm for all the potential connections no matter how far fetched and unfounded they may be. An ring system consisting of extremely fine, yet undetected, particles could provide a constant source of dibris which slowed by contact with the atmosphere eventually deccelerates and plummet to earth, a constant source of IPDP [inter or intra]. My hope is that my recent memberships allows the priveledge of asking these kinds questions and getting responses from reliable sources. A decisive no with some short explaination is as welcome as any other answer for it at least acknowledges a question. Thank you for your time and consideration in advance. Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated Sorry, Australia only! I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of your phony selling technikes. For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi, Steve, I am terribly sorry to disappointing you, Mate. Unfortunately I did a mistake in not changing on the ebay form Postto: Worldwide to Australia only. I only
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Meteorite Science Article
Hi Gerald, capsule, a comment that as far as I know was never publically addressed. They were water ice crystals which had formed on the outside of the spacecraft. They were seen on subsequent spaceflights as well. The source of the water was from the heat exchange process which cooled the astronauts spacesuits and urine, which prompted a famous quote from Wally Schirra about the constellation urion. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Norbert and all, eBay clearly states in its rules that you can put conditions (restrictions) on your sell items and those looking at the items on ebay have to abide by your description. I guess the only question I would raise is why not just put the item solely on ebay Australia's site and not the general site where other bidders from other parts of the world would see it and want to buy it? I clearly state in my ebay auctions that I don't ship to Italy and if someone bids on the item from Italy then they have violated the conditions of my sale not the other way around. No you don't deserve the negative feedback that Steve gave you. I keep thinking that perhaps Steve is coming around and then he does something like this that make me not to want to have anything to do with him ever again! The only way to look at this is if you drive enough miles you'll get an insect on the windshield. You have enough bidee's on your items and sooner or later someone will leave you a bad feedback even if you don't deserve it. One negative feedback on 100 positive ones or a 1000 in your case, shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all. I'd put Steve on my bid block list if I were you and I know I will on mine so nothing like this will ever happen to me with him. As Blaine says, play nice. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one being. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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These items were listed on Australian eBay as far as I know for the reason that there were no exports. I also listed some Boxhole Shale on Australian eBay the other day because I did not have permits but I only noticed at the last minute that I think if you tick the Ship to Australia box it still leaves the Worldwide box ticked further down. It would be a VERY easy oversight. Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling To: ROCKS ON FIRE ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hi Norbert and all, eBay clearly states in its rules that you can put conditions (restrictions) on your sell items and those looking at the items on ebay have to abide by your description. I guess the only question I would raise is why not just put the item solely on ebay Australia's site and not the general site where other bidders from other parts of the world would see it and want to buy it? I clearly state in my ebay auctions that I don't ship to Italy and if someone bids on the item from Italy then they have violated the conditions of my sale not the other way around. No you don't deserve the negative feedback that Steve gave you. I keep thinking that perhaps Steve is coming around and then he does something like this that make me not to want to have anything to do with him ever again! The only way to look at this is if you drive enough miles you'll get an insect on the windshield. You have enough bidee's on your items and sooner or later someone will leave you a bad feedback even if you don't deserve it. One negative feedback on 100 positive ones or a 1000 in your case, shouldn't tarnish your reputation at all. I'd put Steve on my bid block list if I were you and I know I will on mine so nothing like this will ever happen to me with him. As Blaine says, play nice. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Being? Using the term rather losely aren't we? DF DNAndrews wrote: Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one being. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey Steveyou are one class act! Are you bucking for nominations for the Stupid/Ugly American of the Year Award ?? If so, you won my vote. And since you are in Chicago, may I vote more than once? Exactly what part of Australia Only didn't you comprehend? Must be a result of that Chicago area public school education. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that the tone of responces by the list to your next round of insipid Hey, look what I just bought... posts will change slightly? For what it's worth Norbertplease accept an apology for the remarks of our politically ignorant and reading comprehension challenged Chicago list member. Craig === Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I wow... i have always figured steve arnold (chicago) to be a halfway desent person - what with giving away meteorites to anyone who wants them and all. but this is just down right foolishness - steve if you have an ounce of credibility in you, you will immediatly see to it that those negative feedbacks are removed (ebay has a mechanism for this now when both parties request it) and steve wounders why people dont like him... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Norbert Negative feedback and all, he looks far worse than you. Shabbaly yours, Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated Sorry, Australia only! I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of your phony selling technikes. For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I REALLY DO NOT CARE FOR YOUR STUPID EXPORT LAW.We don't have that over in the greatest country in the world.I paid for those pieces legally and I should get them.I am going to file a grievance to ebay on your phony selling techniques.You do not see any other countrys with this stupid export laws.HOW STUPID CAN A COUNTRY BE???.Meteorites run thru the usa like water in a siv.I am sorry to do this norbert.But what you are doing is totally ILLEGAL by any means.You have lost me as a customer.I have never been treated so shabbaly as what you have done to me.And I am going to alert the meteorite community as to what you have done to me.I THOUGHT WE COULD WHEEL AND DEAL ON EBAY LIKE GENTLEMAN?Oh well,I guess not.I will get those piecess!!! steve arnold, usa,where meteorites flow freely!! --- ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi, Steve, I am terribly sorry to disappointing you, Mate. Unfortunately I
Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Mike and List- I EMPHATICALLY agree 100% with Mike's opinion Steve, you went way over the line on this one and I for one am embarrsed for you as a fellow American. Norbert (and any other non-Americans reading this) I assure you, Steve's opinion is not held by THIS American and hopefully the majority of Americans as this was clearly an honest mistake. I certainly applaud Norbert's decision to not break the laws of his country. Steve, you have earned an honored position on my send-straight-to-the-delete-basket list. You need to remove those negatives and then learn (1) manners and (2) respect for the law. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? After reading that, you wonder why the entire world hates Americans. Steve, be a man and remove those feedbacks from him. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: ROCKS ON FIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback? Hello, Folks, may I ask your opinion: I listed 2 items (Haig irons) on ebay and forgot to take out Posts to Worldwide, leaving only Posts to Australia, but mentioned in the describtion Sorry, Australia only! One wellknown meteorite collector/dealer from Chicago accquired both with Buy it now option and paid straight way for them via PayPal. Now I realised the mistake, as I do not have an export permit for this meteorite and wrote this gentleman an apologetic letter and refunded the money straight away. It hit me a bit hard when I got his reply (strange wordings, read below, if you want) and saw that he had given me 2 negative feedbacks for that. I always thought we are some sort of a family and would try to sort things out - I have tried! I would very much appreciate your honest opinion in this matter, as this is the very first negative feedback on our proud 1000+ positive record. ( If you are bored you can go throught the correspondense following.) Thanks for your advise and Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Dear Steve, I am very sorry that you are taking this mishap so hard. I was always under the impression that you are a gentleman and would understand that we all are only human and can make mistakes. This was a honest listing mistake and my describtion also clearly stated Sorry, Australia only! I do understand that this is not much comfort for you, and I can only offer you my humble apologies, and I am sorry to loosing you as a good customer. But I am also sorry to having you mistakenly categorised as collector-buddy and friend. If you take a deep breeze and put yourself into my position, Would you take the risk for some $ 30 bucks to having the Fed's snooping through every corner of your property, getting dragged to court and being punished with a severe penalty? You don't seem to be so stupid, so I assume you will take my point. Yes, Steve, you paid straight away for these pieces via PayPal, which you always do and what I always appreciated. And I refunded you the money via PayPal straight away and asked you, if I can do anything for you, as I reckoned I would owe you one. I guess this straighten this out. I still have to obey to the law here in Australia, and if you are suggesting that the meteorite community in America bluntly can ignore the law over there, I believe you are very much mistaken. I am also sure that most Americans uphold the law. I still believe that we can solve this little dispute between us. But if you prefer to put it onto the billboard, to the list or where ever, I can't stop you, feel free! At last: I will not take your expression of your phony selling technikes. For this you will give me an explanation and take it back. If you want to do anything with eBay, that's fine with me, go ahead! I apologised to you for having made a honest mistake and thought you would take it as a gentleman. But if you reckon that you are the only unfailable man in the world and that the law is only there when it suits you, when you cannot see a genuine mistake, Sorry, Mate, you then certainly lost me! Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel ROCKS ON FIRE IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com %3Fhttp://www.rocksonfire.com%3F Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am really pissed off at you for this.I legally paid for those 2 items.It was on ebay and that is legal purchaing.It does not matter where in this god forsaken world it is.And I
