date:20051126

Hi, my wife just got home from a night flight and told me that her and her 
instructor saw a very bright fireball this evening at around 8:30 pm local 
time She was flying near Tucson and saw the fall towards the east/northeast 
so that should put any potential fall somewhere in New Mexico I would think. 
She saw three distinct pieces break from the main part. She was at 6000 
feet, and saw the fall on the other side of the mountains, so I assume it 
would be well over 60 to 100 miles away.

Anyone hear any news about this one?
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[meteorite-list] Cool space pic

2005-11-26 Thread Darren Garrison

It's eery how much Miamas looks like the Death Star

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/herschel_sees_the_sun.html?25112005
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Re: [meteorite-list] shield meteorites

2005-11-26 Thread Paul Harris


Hi Peter,

I forgot Michael's page

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/ORIENTED-METEORITES.html



Hi Peter,

Have a look at the following Jeff and Martin and Jim's pages below..

http://www.meteorites.com.au/

http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2003/July/Accretion_Desk.htm

http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/September/Jims_Fragments.htm

I want them all ;-)

Paul

At 03:22 PM 11/26/2005, you wrote:

Hi,

I am studying shield shaped iron meteorites. I was wondering what
meteorite my fellow list members think is the best shield?


Thanks,

Peter Scherff


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Re: [meteorite-list] shield meteorites

2005-11-26 Thread Paul Harris


Hi Peter,

Have a look at the following Jeff and Martin and Jim's pages below..

http://www.meteorites.com.au/

http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2003/July/Accretion_Desk.htm

http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/September/Jims_Fragments.htm

I want them all ;-)

Paul

At 03:22 PM 11/26/2005, you wrote:

Hi,

I am studying shield shaped iron meteorites. I was wondering what
meteorite my fellow list members think is the best shield?


Thanks,

Peter Scherff


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[meteorite-list] Shield-shaped meteorites

2005-11-26 Thread bernd . pauli

Peter Sch. wrote:

> I am studying shield shaped iron meteorites. I was wondering
> what meteorite my fellow list members think is the best shield?

One of the best if not the very best of the shield-shaped meteorites is
the 1745 kg Sikhote-Alin mass. According to Buchwald, it measures about
1.2 x 1.0 x 0.5 m and is beautifully regmaglypted. Some regmaglypts or
thumbprints are 4-8 cm in diameter and radiate away from the apex of the
shield-shaped cone. Along the edges, these thumbprints form conspicuous
elongated grooves parallel to the direction of flight of the shield through
the atmosphere. There is also a fissure, 20-40 cm deep, that extends from
the apex and almost divides the mass into two halves.

Best regards,
Good night,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] shield meteorites

2005-11-26 Thread peterscherff

Hi,

I am studying shield shaped iron meteorites. I was wondering what
meteorite my fellow list members think is the best shield?


Thanks,

Peter Scherff


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[meteorite-list] fukang meteorite (the never ending thread)

2005-11-26 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!

It is really surprising about this meteorite.I get emails and phone calls
from people who say they have some forsale,but If it is a dealer, I do not
see any forsale on thier website.To me it is just strange.But whoever has
any,I still cannot wait to get a piece.I guess I will just wait till
tucson and watch the flood gates open with very nice material.Look
out eellooowww,here comes the FUKANG EXPRESS.

 STEVE ARNOLD, CHICAGO

Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 
 

Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!


website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
 
 
 
 
 
 












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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: 1.2 gram Umbarger Meteorite Texas TKW 13kg

2005-11-26 Thread tett


Juris,

Didn't I get my small 1.6 gram slice of Umbarger from you?

How's it going?

tett


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http://cgi.ebay.com/1-2-gram-Umbarger-Meteorite-Texas-TKW-13kg_W0QQitemZ658090
5582QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Dear  List Members:

For those interested, thanks for looking.

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[meteorite-list] AD: 1.2 gram Umbarger Meteorite Texas TKW 13kg

2005-11-26 Thread JPBrockets

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-2-gram-Umbarger-Meteorite-Texas-TKW-13kg_W0QQitemZ658090
5582QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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[meteorite-list] Hayabusa Snatches First Samples From Asteroid

2005-11-26 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn8380-spacecraft-snatches-first-samples-from-asteroid.html

Spacecraft snatches first samples from asteroid
Damian Carrington
New Scientist
November 26, 2005

The Hayabusa spaceprobe has snatched samples from the asteroid Itokawa,
according to JAXA, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency.

The six-metre probe touched down at 0707 Japanese time (2207 GMT Friday) and
its computer system shot a metal ball into the asteroid to drive up material
for collection. The operation went "without failure," said JAXA official
Yasunori Matoba, and the craft then took off again.

The Hayabusa team will not know for sure whether it picked up surface
material until the craft returns to Earth in 2007, after a two billion
kilometres journey, but they are confident it worked.

"The project team members were very delighted to have seen all the procedures
of collecting samples apparently ended without any problem," said project
manager Junichiro Kawaguchi. "We have overcome the biggest challenge in the
project."

Dogged by misfortune

If so, it will be the first time samples have been taken from an asteroid
and a welcome success for a mission dogged by misfortune to date.

The first touchdown on Itokawa, last Sunday, ended in failure when the metal
pellet failed to fire. However, there is a chance that some dust may have
been dislodged and collected during this manoeuvre by the craft bouncing on
the surface.

On 12 November, Hayabusa lost contact with a small robotic rover - called
Minerva - that was designed to hop around the surface of the asteroid
capturing images and taking temperature readings. Mission controllers b
elieve Minerva missed the asteroid entirely and drifted off into space.

And on 4 November, a practice descent was aborted when the probe sent an
"anomalous signal" back to mission control. Finally, two of its three
stabilising reaction wheels failed on 31 July and 3 October 2005,
respectively.

Moving target

But the mission is far from simple. Landing on a flat targeted site on
Itokawa is tough because the potato-shaped asteroid - 540 by 270 metres -
is revolving. It also is small and therefore has very low gravity, meaning
the craft is not gently pulled towards the object.

Hayabusa was launched in May 2003 with a budget of 12.7 billion yen ($100
million dollars) and is scheduled to return to Earth in June 2007. Once
near Earth, the capsule containing the asteroid samples will detach from
the probe and land in the Australian desert.

The asteroid was formed 4.6 billion years ago at the same time as the solar
system and represent geological "fossils" from that time. The samples could
also provide information about the composition and structure of asteroids
which would be vital for any future plan to deflect a celestial object on
a collision course with Earth.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

Martin, I have no problems with auctions. I have problems with giving more 
than 50% in fees and sellers premiums, I can do better on ebay than selling 
my lunars are Bonhams and losing over 50% of the selling price.

Do you also know that you pay sellers fees even if the item does not sell?
So let's say I want to sell a full slice of Lunar, the price is minimum 
$50,000. If it does not sell, I am still on the hook for $7000 in fees to 
Bonhams.

Not a way to make money.
Mike Farmer
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From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite



Hi Mike,

in priciple I imagine the idea to sell meteorites via an auction house to 
be

not so absurd.
(Must exist more serious enterprises than this one.)

You know it by your own, if one has larger and rare, thus expensive pieces
for sale,
how one has to slog to sell it at an acceptable price, cause the 
collectors'

community is so small, a real petri dish
and in our times, the prophet's word is true more than ever:

"Bah, the market is in ruin."
. Matteo 4,23
Take Moon.
The average meteorite collector can't afford to buy larger pieces or 
prefers

to buy many different localities and types rather than to spend all the
money for a single larger piece. So what to do, one has to chip it into
hundreds of minute specimens sending a remarkable amount of material as 
cut
loss down to Orcus, and afterwards one has to sell it over many, many 
years.

Those who are interested in lunaites, are specialists - for the normal
collectors it's sufficient to have a single specimen of a lunaite to 
include
that type in his/her collection and important in the first instance for 
them

is, that it's a piece of Moon and not a luniate with special
particularities.
And these specialists are deep in that matter. If in Kalahari a large 
chunk
is found, they speculate, that soon Moon will be available at 20$/g and 
they
won't buy, if a desparate finder or a collector, who has to pay some 
bills,

is loosing a piece by accident on ebay at a few hundreds per gram, they
won't buy anymore at the price that number had before (and here in Germany
they suspect you of ripping them off, if you refuse to immediately adapt
your price to the ebay-accident (the most astonishing one I saw, was, when 
a
1g Dho-lunar slice died at only 150$)), then you can't sell for as long as 
a

year anymore, until the accident is forgotten...

So why not to address via an auction house with a sounding name, prestige,
established clientele and publicity input to a completely different and
larger group of buyers?
If those auction houses sell fine art, antiquities and other pricy
collectibles and among the clients there are some, who have no problems to
spend regularly many k$ - with the right presentation it could work. I 
mean

e.g. lunaites still are by far more rare, than anything else, which is
sold there, but relatively or better to say dirt cheap compared to the
items, which are going there - but more fascinating also for the layman. 
Not

many are knowing at all, that it's possible to own a stone from Moon.

At least a try wouldn't be not such a bad idea. If it won't work, the 
owner

can carry on with dumping that stuff on ebay and to fight with the ups and
downs of that, what some call "The Market".

Buckleboo!
Martin





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From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: 
Pallasite




That is one of the best emails I have read in a long time!
Butterfields wanted me to put some Lunar and Martian specimens in their
auction a couple of years ago, I just laughed when they presented me with
the details.
Do you also know, that the buyer must arrange shipping, not too handy of

an

option if you say, live in Russia, and need to call LA to find a shipping
company and make arrangements for them not only to ship, but to package 
as

well. It seems like Bonhams is not only greedy, but too lazy to take care

of

the details.
I to get sick of reading these misleading things about other meteorites 
to

promote that one. Esquel has not been hacked up. There are complete

slices,

the largest pallasite slices in the world already cut and sold of Esquel.

I

have yet to see one of Fukang, only hacked up partslices.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

Hi Mike,

in priciple I imagine the idea to sell meteorites via an auction house to be
not so absurd.
(Must exist more serious enterprises than this one.)

You know it by your own, if one has larger and rare, thus expensive pieces
for sale,
how one has to slog to sell it at an acceptable price, cause the collectors'
community is so small, a real petri dish
and in our times, the prophet's word is true more than ever:

"Bah, the market is in ruin."
. Matteo 4,23
Take Moon.
The average meteorite collector can't afford to buy larger pieces or prefers
to buy many different localities and types rather than to spend all the
money for a single larger piece. So what to do, one has to chip it into
hundreds of minute specimens sending a remarkable amount of material as cut
loss down to Orcus, and afterwards one has to sell it over many, many years.
Those who are interested in lunaites, are specialists - for the normal
collectors it's sufficient to have a single specimen of a lunaite to include
that type in his/her collection and important in the first instance for them
is, that it's a piece of Moon and not a luniate with special
particularities.
And these specialists are deep in that matter. If in Kalahari a large chunk
is found, they speculate, that soon Moon will be available at 20$/g and they
won't buy, if a desparate finder or a collector, who has to pay some bills,
is loosing a piece by accident on ebay at a few hundreds per gram, they
won't buy anymore at the price that number had before (and here in Germany
they suspect you of ripping them off, if you refuse to immediately adapt
your price to the ebay-accident (the most astonishing one I saw, was, when a
1g Dho-lunar slice died at only 150$)), then you can't sell for as long as a
year anymore, until the accident is forgotten...

So why not to address via an auction house with a sounding name, prestige,
established clientele and publicity input to a completely different and
larger group of buyers?
If those auction houses sell fine art, antiquities and other pricy
collectibles and among the clients there are some, who have no problems to
spend regularly many k$ - with the right presentation it could work. I mean
e.g. lunaites still are by far more rare, than anything else, which is
sold there, but relatively or better to say dirt cheap compared to the
items, which are going there - but more fascinating also for the layman. Not
many are knowing at all, that it's possible to own a stone from Moon.

At least a try wouldn't be not such a bad idea. If it won't work, the owner
can carry on with dumping that stuff on ebay and to fight with the ups and
downs of that, what some call "The Market".

Buckleboo!
Martin





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From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite


> That is one of the best emails I have read in a long time!
> Butterfields wanted me to put some Lunar and Martian specimens in their
> auction a couple of years ago, I just laughed when they presented me with
> the details.
> Do you also know, that the buyer must arrange shipping, not too handy of
an
> option if you say, live in Russia, and need to call LA to find a shipping
> company and make arrangements for them not only to ship, but to package as
> well. It seems like Bonhams is not only greedy, but too lazy to take care
of
> the details.
> I to get sick of reading these misleading things about other meteorites to
> promote that one. Esquel has not been hacked up. There are complete
slices,
> the largest pallasite slices in the world already cut and sold of Esquel.
I
> have yet to see one of Fukang, only hacked up partslices.
> If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
> Mike Farmer
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

2005-11-26 Thread Martin Horejsi

Hi All,

Regardless of the auction issued discussed here, I think you have to
admit that the flash feature on the auction page provides an
interesting look at the pallasite using internet technology.

Zoomed way in, I have found crystals with holes, cracks filled with
iron, and some great shapes other other oddities I have not spent much
time considering in the past.

I would not mind if someone would spend the time and money to do this
to all my collection pieces so I could skip scope and just powerup the
powerbook.

Happy flashing.

Martin



On 11/26/05, Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, you noticed that the Fukang slice was not even polished as well? I find
> it pure ooozing greed that the owner does not even bother to take the extra
> time and expense to completely finish his work and properly polish the
> meteorite.
> Mike Farmer
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite
>
>
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > I see it more pragmatically.
> > The terms&conditions the seller/buyer knows before.
> > Don't know whether they are so different from other auction houses like
> > Christie's, Sotheby and all the rest of them.
> > Nor do I think, that they are meteorite pimps, maximum meteoritically
> > pimply.
> > (I guess the seller wrote the description, as I wouldn't expect those
> > auctioneers to have a clue about meteorites).
> >
> > Doug, don't forget, that almost nobody on this planet knows what a
> > meteorite
> > is, and almost all, who knows it, make no difference between a Tucson Ring
> > and a Canyon Diablo, even not mineral collectors or stargazers (from this
> > two groups most meteorite collectors were recruited).
> >
> > And there I have to say, the estimated values for the Nantans is o.k, as I
> > suppose this auction house addressea to another audience, than those
> > ebay-junkies, who hang 12 hours per day in front of the screen to wait for
> > a
> > downetched Nantan crystal going for 100/kg.
> > The estimated value of the Fukang is more problematic, as this locality
> > didn't found its price yet, which will depend on how much material will
> > appear on market in future. If the Russians will get it in their fingers,
> > one will be able to buy it on ebay in a few months at a
> > Brahin-Seymchan-price, if few more careful persons will obtain the main
> > masses, we will have to pay a normal pallasite's price.
> >
> >>From my point of view, as I sell meteorites, I welcome such activities,
> > cause it helps to add more popularity to our hobby, creating more
> > collectors
> > (and buyers).
> >>From a collectors point of view it might be different, as we all benefit
> > currently from the backlog of material and the fact that there exist only
> > a
> > few thousands (or less) collectors.
> > (Can be a problem - at times melanchollically I remember the years around
> > 1990, before there were some exhibitions of baroque celestial charts
> > (another hobby of mine) in USA. Suddenly it was tres chic for anyone, who
> > was a little bit wealthy to plaster his loft with celestial charts. As
> > they
> > are very limited the prices skyrocketed in the following years and
> > nowadays
> > one has to pay ten times more than then.)
> >
> > Anyway, I can't understand, that one rather carves a beetle out of a
> > lunaite, then to sell the stone with an adequate hoop-la via such an
> > auction
> > house to a suitable group of buyers.
> >
> > Hey, I think that Fukang slice deserves a better polish to fir better to
> > the
> > description.
> >
> > Buckleboo!
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was:
> > Pallasite
> >
> >
> > Nice Find Martin, it was nice to actually see  this new material that is
> > thrilling to some listmemembers:), though there is no  real guaranty of
> > authenticity offered.
> >
> > In case someone out there really  is motivated to participate, I just
> > would
> > like to express my opinion, that these  are more meteorite pimps: Only a
> > bunch
> > of thieves would appear to do this.  I guess they think with a cheap
> > British
> > (or Stagecoach) sounding name like  "Bonham & Butterfield" they add some
> > mysterious value.  There are five  more meteorites sharing the company of
> > the sample
> > of the pallasite from the  Fukang locality, did you notice?  All the
> > others
> > are Nantan  Irons!!
> >
> > Let's look at the economics of a sale of lot 8079, the 2.02 kg  Nantan:
> >
> > If it sells for the low price of the range, $400:
> >
> > $470  collected from buyer included "premium"
> > $70 retained as buyer's premium by  auctioneer
> > $100 commission retained by auctioneer from S

Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

Oh, you noticed that the Fukang slice was not even polished as well? I find 
it pure ooozing greed that the owner does not even bother to take the extra 
time and expense to completely finish his work and properly polish the 
meteorite.

Mike Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

Hi Doug,

I see it more pragmatically.
The terms&conditions the seller/buyer knows before.
Don't know whether they are so different from other auction houses like
Christie's, Sotheby and all the rest of them.
Nor do I think, that they are meteorite pimps, maximum meteoritically
pimply.
(I guess the seller wrote the description, as I wouldn't expect those
auctioneers to have a clue about meteorites).

Doug, don't forget, that almost nobody on this planet knows what a 
meteorite

is, and almost all, who knows it, make no difference between a Tucson Ring
and a Canyon Diablo, even not mineral collectors or stargazers (from this
two groups most meteorite collectors were recruited).

And there I have to say, the estimated values for the Nantans is o.k, as I
suppose this auction house addressea to another audience, than those
ebay-junkies, who hang 12 hours per day in front of the screen to wait for 
a

downetched Nantan crystal going for 100/kg.
The estimated value of the Fukang is more problematic, as this locality
didn't found its price yet, which will depend on how much material will
appear on market in future. If the Russians will get it in their fingers,
one will be able to buy it on ebay in a few months at a
Brahin-Seymchan-price, if few more careful persons will obtain the main
masses, we will have to pay a normal pallasite's price.

From my point of view, as I sell meteorites, I welcome such activities,
cause it helps to add more popularity to our hobby, creating more 
collectors

(and buyers).

From a collectors point of view it might be different, as we all benefit
currently from the backlog of material and the fact that there exist only 
a

few thousands (or less) collectors.
(Can be a problem - at times melanchollically I remember the years around
1990, before there were some exhibitions of baroque celestial charts
(another hobby of mine) in USA. Suddenly it was tres chic for anyone, who
was a little bit wealthy to plaster his loft with celestial charts. As 
they
are very limited the prices skyrocketed in the following years and 
nowadays

one has to pay ten times more than then.)

Anyway, I can't understand, that one rather carves a beetle out of a
lunaite, then to sell the stone with an adequate hoop-la via such an 
auction

house to a suitable group of buyers.

Hey, I think that Fukang slice deserves a better polish to fir better to 
the

description.

Buckleboo!
Martin

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: 
Pallasite

Nice Find Martin, it was nice to actually see  this new material that is
thrilling to some listmemembers:), though there is no  real guaranty of
authenticity offered.

In case someone out there really  is motivated to participate, I just 
would

like to express my opinion, that these  are more meteorite pimps: Only a
bunch
of thieves would appear to do this.  I guess they think with a cheap 
British

(or Stagecoach) sounding name like  "Bonham & Butterfield" they add some
mysterious value.  There are five  more meteorites sharing the company of
the sample
of the pallasite from the  Fukang locality, did you notice?  All the 
others

are Nantan  Irons!!

Let's look at the economics of a sale of lot 8079, the 2.02 kg  Nantan:

If it sells for the low price of the range, $400:

$470  collected from buyer included "premium"
$70 retained as buyer's premium by  auctioneer
$100 commission retained by auctioneer from Seller
$150 catalog  picture kept by auctioneer
$30  online uploaded image kept by  auctioneer
$6 insurance fee collected by auctioneer

NET amount  remitted to Seller: $114
TOTAL Kept by  Auctioneer:  $356

Sounds like purchases on  eBay through PayPal just might offer better
protection, as evidenced by the  Auctioneers statement of responsibility 
and

authenticity:

Lots are sold  on an *as is* basis but the actual condition of a Lot may 
not
be as good as  indicated by its outward appearance. In particular parts 
may

have been replaced  or renewed and Lots may not be authentic or of
satisfactory
quality.

Oh,  that's nice, and let me guess, even if it is later shown that the
meteorite  wasn't authentic, the auctioneer will do it's best to hang on 
to

its $356
or a  good part of it as it is so costly to hold an auction when use a 
fancy

auctioneer name.  Uh huh...into the thieves category they go, for
irresponsible.  Of course

Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite


That is one of the best emails I have read in a long time!
Butterfields wanted me to put some Lunar and Martian specimens in their 
auction a couple of years ago, I just laughed when they presented me with 
the details.
Do you also know, that the buyer must arrange shipping, not too handy of an 
option if you say, live in Russia, and need to call LA to find a shipping 
company and make arrangements for them not only to ship, but to package as 
well. It seems like Bonhams is not only greedy, but too lazy to take care of 
the details.
I to get sick of reading these misleading things about other meteorites to 
promote that one. Esquel has not been hacked up. There are complete slices, 
the largest pallasite slices in the world already cut and sold of Esquel. I 
have yet to see one of Fukang, only hacked up partslices.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.
Mike Farmer


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite


Nice Find Martin, it was nice to actually see  this new material that is
thrilling to some listmemembers:), though there is no  real guaranty of
authenticity offered.

In case someone out there really  is motivated to participate, I just would
like to express my opinion, that these  are more meteorite pimps: Only a 
bunch

of thieves would appear to do this.  I guess they think with a cheap British
(or Stagecoach) sounding name like  "Bonham & Butterfield" they add some
mysterious value.  There are five  more meteorites sharing the company of 
the sample

of the pallasite from the  Fukang locality, did you notice?  All the others
are Nantan  Irons!!

Let's look at the economics of a sale of lot 8079, the 2.02 kg  Nantan:

If it sells for the low price of the range, $400:

$470  collected from buyer included "premium"
$70 retained as buyer's premium by  auctioneer
$100 commission retained by auctioneer from Seller
$150 catalog  picture kept by auctioneer
$30  online uploaded image kept by  auctioneer
$6 insurance fee collected by auctioneer

NET amount  remitted to Seller: $114
TOTAL Kept by  Auctioneer:  $356

Sounds like purchases on  eBay through PayPal just might offer better
protection, as evidenced by the  Auctioneers statement of responsibility and
authenticity:

Lots are sold  on an *as is* basis but the actual condition of a Lot may not
be as good as  indicated by its outward appearance. In particular parts may
have been replaced  or renewed and Lots may not be authentic or of 
satisfactory

quality.

Oh,  that's nice, and let me guess, even if it is later shown that the
meteorite  wasn't authentic, the auctioneer will do it's best to hang on to 
its $356

or a  good part of it as it is so costly to hold an auction when use a fancy
auctioneer name.  Uh huh...into the thieves category they go, for
irresponsible.  Of course the Seller is responsible in their book not them 
they'll have
nothing to do with responsibility, and for that the seller gets  24.2% of 
the

sale procedes for a meteorite of questionable pedigree.

How  shameful such abuse still takes place, but I guess "Ye pays ya money 
and

ye  takes ya chances."  I'd invite anyone to to correct anything I've
inadvertantly overlooked.

Saludos, Doug
PS - and that misleading  comment that Esquel somehow isn't as nice because
it has been sawed into  hundreds of pieces.  I am scratching my head on 
still

on that note, as it  appears that the lot offered itself is not exactly the
main mass either...at  less than a kilogram, but they had to add: "The 
specimen's

very large size" as a  descriptor



En un mensaje con fecha 11/26/2005 6:31:08 AM Mexico  Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:
You can buy your slice at  a Bonham's auction in L.A. on 4th of Dec.

"
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Flash version  Copyright © 2002-2005 Bonhams 1793 Ltd., Images and Text All
Rights  Reserved
Lot No: 8084

Fukang Meteorite Slice - An Important New  Discovery
Stoney Iron - Pallasite
Fukang, China
An extraordinary  discovery made in 2003, the Fukang Meteorite is arguably
the world's  preeminent pallasitic meteorite. The present cut and polished
slice is the  first specimen of this distinguished meteorite to be made
available to the  public. Displaying much larger olivine crystals than have
ever been seen  before, the superlative Fukang meteorite is in outstanding
condition; its  nickel-iron matrix exhibits abundant high quality olivine
crystals. The  quality of some of the crystals is so fine that they may be
classified as  peridot crystals, a gem form of olivine.

A brief history of  Pallasites:
In 1749 on a remote wooded ridge of Mount Emir, Siberia, the  first 
pallasite

meteorite was discovered. The native Tartars believed the  iron was a holy
relic that had fallen from the heavens. In 1772, Peter Simon  Pallas, the
German scientist for whom this category of m

Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

Hi Doug,

I see it more pragmatically.
The terms&conditions the seller/buyer knows before.
Don't know whether they are so different from other auction houses like
Christie's, Sotheby and all the rest of them.
Nor do I think, that they are meteorite pimps, maximum meteoritically
pimply.
(I guess the seller wrote the description, as I wouldn't expect those
auctioneers to have a clue about meteorites).

Doug, don't forget, that almost nobody on this planet knows what a meteorite
is, and almost all, who knows it, make no difference between a Tucson Ring
and a Canyon Diablo, even not mineral collectors or stargazers (from this
two groups most meteorite collectors were recruited).

And there I have to say, the estimated values for the Nantans is o.k, as I
suppose this auction house addressea to another audience, than those
ebay-junkies, who hang 12 hours per day in front of the screen to wait for a
downetched Nantan crystal going for 100/kg.
The estimated value of the Fukang is more problematic, as this locality
didn't found its price yet, which will depend on how much material will
appear on market in future. If the Russians will get it in their fingers,
one will be able to buy it on ebay in a few months at a
Brahin-Seymchan-price, if few more careful persons will obtain the main
masses, we will have to pay a normal pallasite's price.

>From my point of view, as I sell meteorites, I welcome such activities,
cause it helps to add more popularity to our hobby, creating more collectors
(and buyers).
>From a collectors point of view it might be different, as we all benefit
currently from the backlog of material and the fact that there exist only a
few thousands (or less) collectors.
(Can be a problem - at times melanchollically I remember the years around
1990, before there were some exhibitions of baroque celestial charts
(another hobby of mine) in USA. Suddenly it was tres chic for anyone, who
was a little bit wealthy to plaster his loft with celestial charts. As they
are very limited the prices skyrocketed in the following years and nowadays
one has to pay ten times more than then.)

Anyway, I can't understand, that one rather carves a beetle out of a
lunaite, then to sell the stone with an adequate hoop-la via such an auction
house to a suitable group of buyers.

Hey, I think that Fukang slice deserves a better polish to fir better to the
description.

Buckleboo!
Martin



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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite


Nice Find Martin, it was nice to actually see  this new material that is
thrilling to some listmemembers:), though there is no  real guaranty of
authenticity offered.

In case someone out there really  is motivated to participate, I just would
like to express my opinion, that these  are more meteorite pimps: Only a
bunch
of thieves would appear to do this.  I guess they think with a cheap British
(or Stagecoach) sounding name like  "Bonham & Butterfield" they add some
mysterious value.  There are five  more meteorites sharing the company of
the sample
of the pallasite from the  Fukang locality, did you notice?  All the others
are Nantan  Irons!!

Let's look at the economics of a sale of lot 8079, the 2.02 kg  Nantan:

If it sells for the low price of the range, $400:

$470  collected from buyer included "premium"
$70 retained as buyer's premium by  auctioneer
$100 commission retained by auctioneer from Seller
$150 catalog  picture kept by auctioneer
$30  online uploaded image kept by  auctioneer
$6 insurance fee collected by auctioneer

NET amount  remitted to Seller: $114
TOTAL Kept by  Auctioneer:  $356

Sounds like purchases on  eBay through PayPal just might offer better
protection, as evidenced by the  Auctioneers statement of responsibility and
authenticity:

Lots are sold  on an *as is* basis but the actual condition of a Lot may not
be as good as  indicated by its outward appearance. In particular parts may
have been replaced  or renewed and Lots may not be authentic or of
satisfactory
quality.

Oh,  that's nice, and let me guess, even if it is later shown that the
meteorite  wasn't authentic, the auctioneer will do it's best to hang on to
its $356
or a  good part of it as it is so costly to hold an auction when use a fancy
auctioneer name.  Uh huh...into the thieves category they go, for
irresponsible.  Of course the Seller is responsible in their book not them
they'll have
nothing to do with responsibility, and for that the seller gets  24.2% of
the
sale procedes for a meteorite of questionable pedigree.

How  shameful such abuse still takes place, but I guess "Ye pays ya money
and
ye  takes ya chances."  I'd invite anyone to to correct anything I've
inadvertantly overlooked.

Saludos, Doug
PS - and that misleading  comment that Esquel somehow isn't as nice because
it has been sawed into  hundreds of pieces

[meteorite-list] Odessa Crater (Texas) Determined to be About 63, 500 Years Old

2005-11-26 Thread Paul

In December 2005 issue of Geology the below article about
the Odessa Crater in Texas has been published.

Holliday, Vance T., Kring, David A., Mayer, James H., and 
Goble, Ronald J., 2005, Age and effects of the Odessa 
meteorite impact, western Texas, USA., Geology. vol. 33, 
no. 12, pp. 945948. 

This article noted that optically stimulated luminescence 
dates of sediments filling it demonstrate that this crater was 
created about 63,500, plus or minus 4,500, thousand years 
ago.

Its full abstract can be found at:

http://www.gsajournals.org/gsaonline/?request=get-current-toc&issn=0091-7613

The same issue of Geology also has the following articles:

Collins, Gareth S., and Wunnemann, Kia, 2005, How big was 
the Chesapeake Bay impact? Insight from numerical modeling. 
Geology. vol. 33, no. 12, pp. 925928. 

They concluded that the original transient crater was only 40
 km in diameter. The full abstract can be found at:

http://www.gsajournals.org/gsaonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1130%2FG21854.1

and

Sephton, Mark A., Looy, Cindy V.,  Brinkhuis,  H., Wignall,
Paul B., de Leeuw, Jan W., and Visscher, Henk, 2005, 
Catastrophic soil erosion during the end-Permian biotic 
crisis. Geology. vol. 33, no. 12, pp. 941-944. 

Its abstract can be found at:

http://www.gsajournals.org/gsaonline/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1130%2FG21784.1

Best Regards,

Paul




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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

all fake informations this

Matteo

--- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto: 

> Hi Göran,
> 
> I have another guess.
> At the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato
> (http://www.mspo.it/ingl/homei.html)
> is working a mineralogist a certain Marcello Mellini
> (Modesty is his middle
> name).
> In a sudden fit of unassumigness, he decided to name
> the new mineral
> "nahabedite". Matteo couldn't accept this honour and
> in a generous act of
> reconciliation,
> he proposed to name it "farmerite". Unfortunately
> all his emails ended up in
> Mike's spam folder,
> but the professor couldn't wait anylonger with the
> publication,
> so that he finally called it:
> Mellini-ite.
> 
> Buckleboo.
> Martin
> 
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

Thanks Mauro, I am under call Prato from this morning
for have informations but not answer any person.

Matteo

--- Mauro Ianeselli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto: 

> Hi all,
> 
> I confirm that the name of the new mineral is
> "MELLINIITE".
> 
> >From Prato (Tuscany), 22/11/2005 local newspaper:
> 
> "The name of the mineral drift from that one of
> Marcello Mellini,
> ordinary of mineralogy near the Department of
> Sciences of the Earth of
> the University of Siena and director of the section
> of Siena of the
> National Museum of Antarctica, one of the greater
> antarctic meteorite
> experts presents in Italy.
> These searches have been carried out in the course
> of a thesis of
> bachelor carried out near the MSP and are in
> publication course are on
> the international review American Mineralogist that
> on the prestigious
> Science weekly magazine."
> 
>
http://notizie.provincia.prato.it/asp/notizie-s.asp?ID=3077
> (in italian language)
> 
> More informations here:
> 
>
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:ObD05cHiZicJ:www.dst.unisi.it/ricerca/mineralogia/curriculum/Mellini2.htm+marcello+mellini&hl=it
> (in italian language)
> 
> Best wishes!
> 
> Mauro Ianeselli
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno sab, 26/11/2005 alle 13.34 +0100, Martin
> Altmann ha scritto:
> > Hehe, the Museo played some jokes with you.
> > 
> > Melinite is an explosive, invented by Eugène
> Turpin (1848-1927) (a relative
> > of Ben Turpin?)
> > http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p4556.htm
> > was used at that time as filling of grenades.
> > 
> > And melinite is an anagram of ilmenite, found in
> moon rocks...
> > 
> > Buckleboo!
> > Martin
> 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

2005-11-26 Thread Mauro Ianeselli

Hi all,

I confirm that the name of the new mineral is "MELLINIITE".

>From Prato (Tuscany), 22/11/2005 local newspaper:

"The name of the mineral drift from that one of Marcello Mellini,
ordinary of mineralogy near the Department of Sciences of the Earth of
the University of Siena and director of the section of Siena of the
National Museum of Antarctica, one of the greater antarctic meteorite
experts presents in Italy.
These searches have been carried out in the course of a thesis of
bachelor carried out near the MSP and are in publication course are on
the international review American Mineralogist that on the prestigious
Science weekly magazine."

http://notizie.provincia.prato.it/asp/notizie-s.asp?ID=3077
(in italian language)

More informations here:

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:ObD05cHiZicJ:www.dst.unisi.it/ricerca/mineralogia/curriculum/Mellini2.htm+marcello+mellini&hl=it
(in italian language)

Best wishes!

Mauro Ianeselli



Il giorno sab, 26/11/2005 alle 13.34 +0100, Martin Altmann ha scritto:
> Hehe, the Museo played some jokes with you.
> 
> Melinite is an explosive, invented by Eugène Turpin (1848-1927) (a relative
> of Ben Turpin?)
> http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p4556.htm
> was used at that time as filling of grenades.
> 
> And melinite is an anagram of ilmenite, found in moon rocks...
> 
> Buckleboo!
> Martin

> 
> 
-- 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

Hi Göran,

I have another guess.
At the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato
(http://www.mspo.it/ingl/homei.html)
is working a mineralogist a certain Marcello Mellini (Modesty is his middle
name).
In a sudden fit of unassumigness, he decided to name the new mineral
"nahabedite". Matteo couldn't accept this honour and in a generous act of
reconciliation,
he proposed to name it "farmerite". Unfortunately all his emails ended up in
Mike's spam folder,
but the professor couldn't wait anylonger with the publication,
so that he finally called it:
Mellini-ite.

Buckleboo.
Martin



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From: "Göran Axelsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name


> I see the problem here. You said it was named "merrillite" in your
> second mail and that was the mineral name I commented. In the abstract
> it is one of the accessory minerals, not the name of the new phosphide.
> I can't see anything about the name of the new phosphide mentioned in
> the abstract. I doubt that melliniite is the official name as it usually
> takes a long time to get a new mineral name accepted. But it probably is
> the proposed name.
>
> /Göran
>
> M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
>
> >I doubt many is a old news, seen the found have
> >presented in the last Met.Society Meeting
> >
> >A NEW IRON-NICKEL PHOSPHIDE FROM THE NORTHWEST AFRICA
> >1054 METEORITE. V. Moggi-Cecchi1, L.Bindi2, and G.
> >Pratesi2,3, 1Museo di Scienze Planetarie, Provincia di
> >Prato, Via Galcianese, 20/h, I-59100 Prato, Italy,
> >2Museo di Storia Naturale, Università degli Studi di
> >Firenze, I-50121 Firenze, Italy, 3Dipartimento di
> >Scienze della Terra, Università di Firenze, Via La
> >Pira, 4, I-50121, Florence, Italy
> >
> >Introduction: NWA 1054 is a primitive achondrite
> >(acapulco-ite) with a main mass weighing 86 g. The
> >thin section displays a granular texture with olivine
> >and low-Ca pyroxene as major phases and high
> >Ca-pyroxene and plagioclase as minor; major
> >non-silicate phases are metal and troilite. Accessory
> >phases include merrillite, a Mg-rich chromite and two
> >iron-nickel phosphides. Terrestrial weathering grade
> >is low (W1) as well as shock stage (S1). The Museo di
> >Scienze Planetarie of Prato (MSP) owns the type
> >speci-men (MSP2366) [1].
> >
> >Description: Six natural phophides are known:
> >schreibersite, (Fe,Ni,)3P, nickelphosphide (Ni,Fe)3P
> >[2], barringerite (Fe,Ni)2P [3], allabogdanite
> >(Fe,Ni)2P [4], florenskyite FeTiP [5] and perry-ite,
> >(Ni,Fe)8(Si,P)3 [6]. In the course of a study on some
> >acapulco-ites a new rather common iron-nickel
> >phosphide was discovered in the NWA 1052 and 1054
> >acapulcoites [7]. The chemical composi-tion of the new
> >phase, determined by EMPA, is
> >(Ni2.30Fe1.64Co0.01)Σ=3.95P1.05, pointing to a
> >4:1 metal/phosphorous ratio. It occurs as anhedral
> >grains up to 100 μm either associated with
> >kamacite (Fig. 1A) or with nickelphosphide (Fig. 1B).
> >Micro-indentation measurements provided a value (447
> >kg/mm2) lower than nickelphosphide. In reflected
> >light, the new phase is cream-yellowish, non
> >pleochroic, isotropic, and shows no bireflectance,
> >without internal reflections. Reflectance values are
> >60.56, 50.44 52.51 and 55.94 % at 471.1, 548.3, 586.6,
> >and 652.3 nm, respec-tively. A single-crystal X-ray
> >diffraction study, carried out on a small crystal
> >fragment, indicates a cubic lattice with a = 6.025 ±
> >0.001 and points to a space group P213 with Z = 4.
> >Both the coor-dination-number (12) and the density
> >(7.882 g/cc) are the highest ever reported for
> >phosphorus and iron-nickel phosphides, respec-tively.
> >
> >Conclusions: The structure and the physical properties
> >suggest that the new iron nickel phosphide could play
> >an important role for Earth’s core mineralogy. Due to
> >the presence of this phase NWA 1054 acapulcoite seems
> >to be a really peculiar acapulcoite if com-pared with
> >literature data [8-9].
> >
> >References: [1] Moggi Cecchi V. & Pratesi G. (2005)
> >MAPS, 40, in press [2] Skála R. & Drábek M. (2003)
> >Min. Mag. 67, 783 [3] Buseck P.R. (1969) Science
> >165,169 [4] Britvin S.N. et al., (2002) Am. Min.. 87,
> >1245 [5] Ivanov A.V. et al., (2000) Am. Min. 85, 1082
> >[6] Okada A. et al. (1988) MAPS 23, 59 [7]
> >Moggi-Cecchi V., Pratesi G., Mancini L., (2005) LPSC.
> >XXXVI, abs. #1808 [8] Patzer A., Hill D.H., Boynton
> >W.V. (2004) MAPS 39, 61 [9] Scott E.R.D. & Pinault,
> >L.J. (1999) LPSC. XXX, abs. #1507.
> >
> >
> >
> >Matteo
> >
> >--- Göran Axelsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> >
> >
> >
> >>What is the big news?
> >>
> >>Merrillite (Ca3(PO4)2) is found in several
> >>meteorites. From martian
> >>meteorites () to pallasites (Springwater). Another
> >>meteorites containing
> >>merrillite are Portales Valley, Forest Vale,
> >>Ankober, Allegan, Allegan,
> >>Estacado, and several more.
> >>
> >>An

Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

2005-11-26 Thread Göran Axelsson


I see the problem here. You said it was named "merrillite" in your
second mail and that was the mineral name I commented. In the abstract
it is one of the accessory minerals, not the name of the new phosphide.
I can't see anything about the name of the new phosphide mentioned in
the abstract. I doubt that melliniite is the official name as it usually
takes a long time to get a new mineral name accepted. But it probably is
the proposed name.

/Göran

M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:


I doubt many is a old news, seen the found have
presented in the last Met.Society Meeting

A NEW IRON-NICKEL PHOSPHIDE FROM THE NORTHWEST AFRICA
1054 METEORITE. V. Moggi-Cecchi1, L.Bindi2, and G.
Pratesi2,3, 1Museo di Scienze Planetarie, Provincia di
Prato, Via Galcianese, 20/h, I-59100 Prato, Italy,
2Museo di Storia Naturale, Università degli Studi di
Firenze, I-50121 Firenze, Italy, 3Dipartimento di
Scienze della Terra, Università di Firenze, Via La
Pira, 4, I-50121, Florence, Italy 


Introduction: NWA 1054 is a primitive achondrite
(acapulco-ite) with a main mass weighing 86 g. The
thin section displays a granular texture with olivine
and low-Ca pyroxene as major phases and high
Ca-pyroxene and plagioclase as minor; major
non-silicate phases are metal and troilite. Accessory
phases include merrillite, a Mg-rich chromite and two
iron-nickel phosphides. Terrestrial weathering grade
is low (W1) as well as shock stage (S1). The Museo di
Scienze Planetarie of Prato (MSP) owns the type
speci-men (MSP2366) [1]. 


Description: Six natural phophides are known:
schreibersite, (Fe,Ni,)3P, nickelphosphide (Ni,Fe)3P
[2], barringerite (Fe,Ni)2P [3], allabogdanite
(Fe,Ni)2P [4], florenskyite FeTiP [5] and perry-ite,
(Ni,Fe)8(Si,P)3 [6]. In the course of a study on some
acapulco-ites a new rather common iron-nickel
phosphide was discovered in the NWA 1052 and 1054
acapulcoites [7]. The chemical composi-tion of the new
phase, determined by EMPA, is
(Ni2.30Fe1.64Co0.01)Σ=3.95P1.05, pointing to a
4:1 metal/phosphorous ratio. It occurs as anhedral
grains up to 100 μm either associated with
kamacite (Fig. 1A) or with nickelphosphide (Fig. 1B).
Micro-indentation measurements provided a value (447
kg/mm2) lower than nickelphosphide. In reflected
light, the new phase is cream-yellowish, non
pleochroic, isotropic, and shows no bireflectance,
without internal reflections. Reflectance values are
60.56, 50.44 52.51 and 55.94 % at 471.1, 548.3, 586.6,
and 652.3 nm, respec-tively. A single-crystal X-ray
diffraction study, carried out on a small crystal
fragment, indicates a cubic lattice with a = 6.025 ±
0.001 and points to a space group P213 with Z = 4.
Both the coor-dination-number (12) and the density
(7.882 g/cc) are the highest ever reported for
phosphorus and iron-nickel phosphides, respec-tively. 


Conclusions: The structure and the physical properties
suggest that the new iron nickel phosphide could play
an important role for Earth’s core mineralogy. Due to
the presence of this phase NWA 1054 acapulcoite seems
to be a really peculiar acapulcoite if com-pared with
literature data [8-9]. 


References: [1] Moggi Cecchi V. & Pratesi G. (2005)
MAPS, 40, in press [2] Skála R. & Drábek M. (2003)
Min. Mag. 67, 783 [3] Buseck P.R. (1969) Science
165,169 [4] Britvin S.N. et al., (2002) Am. Min.. 87,
1245 [5] Ivanov A.V. et al., (2000) Am. Min. 85, 1082
[6] Okada A. et al. (1988) MAPS 23, 59 [7]
Moggi-Cecchi V., Pratesi G., Mancini L., (2005) LPSC.
XXXVI, abs. #1808 [8] Patzer A., Hill D.H., Boynton
W.V. (2004) MAPS 39, 61 [9] Scott E.R.D. & Pinault,
L.J. (1999) LPSC. XXX, abs. #1507. 




Matteo

--- Göran Axelsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: 

 


What is the big news?

Merrillite (Ca3(PO4)2) is found in several
meteorites. From martian 
meteorites () to pallasites (Springwater). Another
meteorites containing 
merrillite are Portales Valley, Forest Vale,
Ankober, Allegan, Allegan, 
Estacado, and several more.


And among the acapulcoites are Dhofar 1222.

It doesn't seem to be such a rare phosphate to me.

/Göran

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Hello

Today in the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato
 


it
   


comes presented the new Iron-Nichel posphide found
 


in
   


my acapulcoite NWA 1054. The official name of the
posphide its melliniite.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Auctioneer Abuse of Meteorites was: Pallasite

2005-11-26 Thread MexicoDoug

Nice Find Martin, it was nice to actually see  this new material that is 
thrilling to some listmemembers:), though there is no  real guaranty of 
authenticity offered. 

In case someone out there really  is motivated to participate, I just would 
like to express my opinion, that these  are more meteorite pimps: Only a bunch 
of thieves would appear to do this.  I guess they think with a cheap British 
(or Stagecoach) sounding name like  "Bonham & Butterfield" they add some 
mysterious value.  There are five  more meteorites sharing the company of the 
sample 
of the pallasite from the  Fukang locality, did you notice?  All the others 
are Nantan  Irons!!

Let's look at the economics of a sale of lot 8079, the 2.02 kg  Nantan:

If it sells for the low price of the range, $400:

$470  collected from buyer included "premium"
$70 retained as buyer's premium by  auctioneer
$100 commission retained by auctioneer from Seller
$150 catalog  picture kept by auctioneer
$30  online uploaded image kept by  auctioneer
$6 insurance fee collected by auctioneer

NET amount  remitted to Seller: $114
TOTAL Kept by  Auctioneer:  $356

Sounds like purchases on  eBay through PayPal just might offer better 
protection, as evidenced by the  Auctioneers statement of responsibility and 
authenticity:

Lots are sold  on an *as is* basis but the actual condition of a Lot may not 
be as good as  indicated by its outward appearance. In particular parts may 
have been replaced  or renewed and Lots may not be authentic or of satisfactory 
quality. 

Oh,  that's nice, and let me guess, even if it is later shown that the 
meteorite  wasn't authentic, the auctioneer will do it's best to hang on to its 
$356 
or a  good part of it as it is so costly to hold an auction when use a fancy  
auctioneer name.  Uh huh...into the thieves category they go, for  
irresponsible.  Of course the Seller is responsible in their book not them  
they'll have 
nothing to do with responsibility, and for that the seller gets  24.2% of the 
sale procedes for a meteorite of questionable pedigree.

How  shameful such abuse still takes place, but I guess "Ye pays ya money and 
ye  takes ya chances."  I'd invite anyone to to correct anything I've  
inadvertantly overlooked.

Saludos, Doug
PS - and that misleading  comment that Esquel somehow isn't as nice because 
it has been sawed into  hundreds of pieces.  I am scratching my head on still 
on that note, as it  appears that the lot offered itself is not exactly the 
main mass either...at  less than a kilogram, but they had to add: "The 
specimen's 
very large size" as a  descriptor



En un mensaje con fecha 11/26/2005 6:31:08 AM Mexico  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:
You can buy your slice at  a Bonham's auction in L.A. on 4th of Dec.

"
Help
Flash version  Copyright © 2002-2005 Bonhams 1793 Ltd., Images and Text All
Rights  Reserved
Lot No: 8084

Fukang Meteorite Slice - An Important New  Discovery
Stoney Iron - Pallasite
Fukang, China
An extraordinary  discovery made in 2003, the Fukang Meteorite is arguably
the world's  preeminent pallasitic meteorite. The present cut and polished
slice is the  first specimen of this distinguished meteorite to be made
available to the  public. Displaying much larger olivine crystals than have
ever been seen  before, the superlative Fukang meteorite is in outstanding
condition; its  nickel-iron matrix exhibits abundant high quality olivine
crystals. The  quality of some of the crystals is so fine that they may be
classified as  peridot crystals, a gem form of olivine.

A brief history of  Pallasites:
In 1749 on a remote wooded ridge of Mount Emir, Siberia, the  first pallasite
meteorite was discovered. The native Tartars believed the  iron was a holy
relic that had fallen from the heavens. In 1772, Peter Simon  Pallas, the
German scientist for whom this category of meteorites was named,  visited the
site and removed samples of the 700-kilogram mass. Although it  would be
several years before scientists would accept the theory that stones  and
irons fall from the heavens, the Pallas iron was eventually recognized as  a
meteorite and identified as such. The large mass is now on display at  the
Academy of Sciences Mineral Museum.

Over the next 161 years, other  much smaller pallasites were discovered and
identified. Then, in 1937 at  Huckitta, Australia, a pallasite weighing 1,411
kilograms was found;  unfortunately, nearly the entire specimen had weathered
into iron shale,  leaving only 450 kilograms of intact specimen which is
currently in Adelaide,  Australia.

Fourteen years later, in 1951, a 1,500-kilogram pallasite was  found in
Esquel, Argentina. A private individual maintained ownership until  1992 when
it was sold and was subsequently sawed into hundreds of small  pieces. The
largest intact piece of the specimen is now less than 200  kilograms.

Not since 1951 has as large and significant a pallasite been  found as the
Fukang Meteorite, discovered outside

Re: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE

Yes, the description of Bonhams contains several mistakes.
They forgot about Brahin, Imilac, Brenham - all larger than Krasnojarsk.

The passages about the quality of the olivines are simply wrong.
Look at the picture there, the size of them is not remarkably large
nor is the quality especially good, as they all are nerved by many cracks
like in Brahin.
Any Imilac, Esquel, Quijingue exhibits much better crystals.

And obviously this is not the first Fukang available to the public.

To state, that Fukang should be "arguably the world's preeminent pallasitic
meteorite"
and "The specimen's very large size, superb quality and enormous,
high-quality crystals make it a find of historic importance."
is silly.

Furthermore "Not since 1951 has as large and significant a pallasite been
found as the Fukang", makes no sense, as the tkw of Fukang is not given.

Strange people, those Bonhams - but perhaps I should sell my meteorites
there?

Buckleboo!
Martin

- Original Message - 
From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE


> Sinceraly I prefear the oldest Esquel or
> Imilacanother, I ask to some persons its go to
> Munich Show if have seen this kilos of Fukang, but any
> have say to have seen this material exibhited.
>
> Matteo
>
>
> --- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
> scritto:
>
> > You can buy your slice at a Bonham's auction in L.A.
> > on 4th of Dec.
> >
> > "
> >  Help
> > Flash version Copyright © 2002-2005 Bonhams 1793
> > Ltd., Images and Text All
> > Rights Reserved
> > Lot No: 8084
> >
> > Fukang Meteorite Slice - An Important New Discovery
> > Stoney Iron - Pallasite
> > Fukang, China
> > An extraordinary discovery made in 2003, the Fukang
> > Meteorite is arguably
> > the world's preeminent pallasitic meteorite. The
> > present cut and polished
> > slice is the first specimen of this distinguished
> > meteorite to be made
> > available to the public. Displaying much larger
> > olivine crystals than have
> > ever been seen before, the superlative Fukang
> > meteorite is in outstanding
> > condition; its nickel-iron matrix exhibits abundant
> > high quality olivine
> > crystals. The quality of some of the crystals is so
> > fine that they may be
> > classified as peridot crystals, a gem form of
> > olivine.
> >
> > A brief history of Pallasites:
> > In 1749 on a remote wooded ridge of Mount Emir,
> > Siberia, the first pallasite
> > meteorite was discovered. The native Tartars
> > believed the iron was a holy
> > relic that had fallen from the heavens. In 1772,
> > Peter Simon Pallas, the
> > German scientist for whom this category of
> > meteorites was named, visited the
> > site and removed samples of the 700-kilogram mass.
> > Although it would be
> > several years before scientists would accept the
> > theory that stones and
> > irons fall from the heavens, the Pallas iron was
> > eventually recognized as a
> > meteorite and identified as such. The large mass is
> > now on display at the
> > Academy of Sciences Mineral Museum.
> >
> > Over the next 161 years, other much smaller
> > pallasites were discovered and
> > identified. Then, in 1937 at Huckitta, Australia, a
> > pallasite weighing 1,411
> > kilograms was found; unfortunately, nearly the
> > entire specimen had weathered
> > into iron shale, leaving only 450 kilograms of
> > intact specimen which is
> > currently in Adelaide, Australia.
> >
> > Fourteen years later, in 1951, a 1,500-kilogram
> > pallasite was found in
> > Esquel, Argentina. A private individual maintained
> > ownership until 1992 when
> > it was sold and was subsequently sawed into hundreds
> > of small pieces. The
> > largest intact piece of the specimen is now less
> > than 200 kilograms.
> >
> > Not since 1951 has as large and significant a
> > pallasite been found as the
> > Fukang Meteorite, discovered outside a tiny village
> > in Northwestern China in
> > 2003. The specimen's very large size, superb quality
> > and enormous,
> > high-quality crystals make it a find of historic
> > importance.
> > Measuring 8 1/2 x 8 1/2 x 1/8in. Weighing 910 grams.
> >
> > Estimate: $18,000 to 22,000
> >
> >
>
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=2651951&iSaleNo=13327&sServer=http://images2.bonhams.com/&sPath=2005-10/10/7153424-48-1.jpg
> >
> > Regards.
> > Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE

Sinceraly I prefear the oldest Esquel or
Imilacanother, I ask to some persons its go to
Munich Show if have seen this kilos of Fukang, but any
have say to have seen this material exibhited.

Matteo


--- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto: 

> You can buy your slice at a Bonham's auction in L.A.
> on 4th of Dec.
> 
> "
>  Help
> Flash version Copyright © 2002-2005 Bonhams 1793
> Ltd., Images and Text All
> Rights Reserved
> Lot No: 8084
> 
> Fukang Meteorite Slice - An Important New Discovery
> Stoney Iron - Pallasite
> Fukang, China
> An extraordinary discovery made in 2003, the Fukang
> Meteorite is arguably
> the world's preeminent pallasitic meteorite. The
> present cut and polished
> slice is the first specimen of this distinguished
> meteorite to be made
> available to the public. Displaying much larger
> olivine crystals than have
> ever been seen before, the superlative Fukang
> meteorite is in outstanding
> condition; its nickel-iron matrix exhibits abundant
> high quality olivine
> crystals. The quality of some of the crystals is so
> fine that they may be
> classified as peridot crystals, a gem form of
> olivine.
> 
> A brief history of Pallasites:
> In 1749 on a remote wooded ridge of Mount Emir,
> Siberia, the first pallasite
> meteorite was discovered. The native Tartars
> believed the iron was a holy
> relic that had fallen from the heavens. In 1772,
> Peter Simon Pallas, the
> German scientist for whom this category of
> meteorites was named, visited the
> site and removed samples of the 700-kilogram mass.
> Although it would be
> several years before scientists would accept the
> theory that stones and
> irons fall from the heavens, the Pallas iron was
> eventually recognized as a
> meteorite and identified as such. The large mass is
> now on display at the
> Academy of Sciences Mineral Museum.
> 
> Over the next 161 years, other much smaller
> pallasites were discovered and
> identified. Then, in 1937 at Huckitta, Australia, a
> pallasite weighing 1,411
> kilograms was found; unfortunately, nearly the
> entire specimen had weathered
> into iron shale, leaving only 450 kilograms of
> intact specimen which is
> currently in Adelaide, Australia.
> 
> Fourteen years later, in 1951, a 1,500-kilogram
> pallasite was found in
> Esquel, Argentina. A private individual maintained
> ownership until 1992 when
> it was sold and was subsequently sawed into hundreds
> of small pieces. The
> largest intact piece of the specimen is now less
> than 200 kilograms.
> 
> Not since 1951 has as large and significant a
> pallasite been found as the
> Fukang Meteorite, discovered outside a tiny village
> in Northwestern China in
> 2003. The specimen's very large size, superb quality
> and enormous,
> high-quality crystals make it a find of historic
> importance.
> Measuring 8 1/2 x 8 1/2 x 1/8in. Weighing 910 grams.
> 
> Estimate: $18,000 to 22,000
> 
>
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=2651951&iSaleNo=13327&sServer=http://images2.bonhams.com/&sPath=2005-10/10/7153424-48-1.jpg
> 
> Regards.
> Martin
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:14 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE
> 
> 
> > Hello again list.I got an email from a list member
> stating that the main
> > mass of the fukang meteorite is at u of
> arizona.Man that piece looks like
> > over 900 kilo's.Does anyone have a close
> approximate of the TKW?I can
> > hardly wait to get a piece.
> >
> >
> >  steve arnold,
> chicago
> >
> > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
> >
> >
> > Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
> >
> >
> > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

I doubt many is a old news, seen the found have
presented in the last Met.Society Meeting

A NEW IRON-NICKEL PHOSPHIDE FROM THE NORTHWEST AFRICA
1054 METEORITE. V. Moggi-Cecchi1, L.Bindi2, and G.
Pratesi2,3, 1Museo di Scienze Planetarie, Provincia di
Prato, Via Galcianese, 20/h, I-59100 Prato, Italy,
2Museo di Storia Naturale, Università degli Studi di
Firenze, I-50121 Firenze, Italy, 3Dipartimento di
Scienze della Terra, Università di Firenze, Via La
Pira, 4, I-50121, Florence, Italy 

Introduction: NWA 1054 is a primitive achondrite
(acapulco-ite) with a main mass weighing 86 g. The
thin section displays a granular texture with olivine
and low-Ca pyroxene as major phases and high
Ca-pyroxene and plagioclase as minor; major
non-silicate phases are metal and troilite. Accessory
phases include merrillite, a Mg-rich chromite and two
iron-nickel phosphides. Terrestrial weathering grade
is low (W1) as well as shock stage (S1). The Museo di
Scienze Planetarie of Prato (MSP) owns the type
speci-men (MSP2366) [1]. 

Description: Six natural phophides are known:
schreibersite, (Fe,Ni,)3P, nickelphosphide (Ni,Fe)3P
[2], barringerite (Fe,Ni)2P [3], allabogdanite
(Fe,Ni)2P [4], florenskyite FeTiP [5] and perry-ite,
(Ni,Fe)8(Si,P)3 [6]. In the course of a study on some
acapulco-ites a new rather common iron-nickel
phosphide was discovered in the NWA 1052 and 1054
acapulcoites [7]. The chemical composi-tion of the new
phase, determined by EMPA, is
(Ni2.30Fe1.64Co0.01)Σ=3.95P1.05, pointing to a
4:1 metal/phosphorous ratio. It occurs as anhedral
grains up to 100 μm either associated with
kamacite (Fig. 1A) or with nickelphosphide (Fig. 1B).
Micro-indentation measurements provided a value (447
kg/mm2) lower than nickelphosphide. In reflected
light, the new phase is cream-yellowish, non
pleochroic, isotropic, and shows no bireflectance,
without internal reflections. Reflectance values are
60.56, 50.44 52.51 and 55.94 % at 471.1, 548.3, 586.6,
and 652.3 nm, respec-tively. A single-crystal X-ray
diffraction study, carried out on a small crystal
fragment, indicates a cubic lattice with a = 6.025 ±
0.001 and points to a space group P213 with Z = 4.
Both the coor-dination-number (12) and the density
(7.882 g/cc) are the highest ever reported for
phosphorus and iron-nickel phosphides, respec-tively. 

Conclusions: The structure and the physical properties
suggest that the new iron nickel phosphide could play
an important role for Earths core mineralogy. Due to
the presence of this phase NWA 1054 acapulcoite seems
to be a really peculiar acapulcoite if com-pared with
literature data [8-9]. 

References: [1] Moggi Cecchi V. & Pratesi G. (2005)
MAPS, 40, in press [2] Skála R. & Drábek M. (2003)
Min. Mag. 67, 783 [3] Buseck P.R. (1969) Science
165,169 [4] Britvin S.N. et al., (2002) Am. Min.. 87,
1245 [5] Ivanov A.V. et al., (2000) Am. Min. 85, 1082
[6] Okada A. et al. (1988) MAPS 23, 59 [7]
Moggi-Cecchi V., Pratesi G., Mancini L., (2005) LPSC.
XXXVI, abs. #1808 [8] Patzer A., Hill D.H., Boynton
W.V. (2004) MAPS 39, 61 [9] Scott E.R.D. & Pinault,
L.J. (1999) LPSC. XXX, abs. #1507. 

Matteo

--- Göran Axelsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: 

> What is the big news?
> 
> Merrillite (Ca3(PO4)2) is found in several
> meteorites. From martian 
> meteorites () to pallasites (Springwater). Another
> meteorites containing 
> merrillite are Portales Valley, Forest Vale,
> Ankober, Allegan, Allegan, 
> Estacado, and several more.
> 
> And among the acapulcoites are Dhofar 1222.
> 
> It doesn't seem to be such a rare phosphate to me.
> 
> /Göran
> 
> M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote:
> 
> >Hello
> >
> >Today in the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato
> it
> >comes presented the new Iron-Nichel posphide found
> in
> >my acapulcoite NWA 1054. The official name of the
> >posphide its melliniite.
> >
> >Matteo
> >
> >
> >M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
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> ITALY
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

2005-11-26 Thread Göran Axelsson


What is the big news?

Merrillite (Ca3(PO4)2) is found in several meteorites. From martian 
meteorites () to pallasites (Springwater). Another meteorites containing 
merrillite are Portales Valley, Forest Vale, Ankober, Allegan, Allegan, 
Estacado, and several more.


And among the acapulcoites are Dhofar 1222.

It doesn't seem to be such a rare phosphate to me.

/Göran

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Hello

Today in the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato it
comes presented the new Iron-Nichel posphide found in
my acapulcoite NWA 1054. The official name of the
posphide its melliniite.

Matteo


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Re: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE

You can buy your slice at a Bonham's auction in L.A. on 4th of Dec.

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Fukang Meteorite Slice - An Important New Discovery
Stoney Iron - Pallasite
Fukang, China
An extraordinary discovery made in 2003, the Fukang Meteorite is arguably
the world's preeminent pallasitic meteorite. The present cut and polished
slice is the first specimen of this distinguished meteorite to be made
available to the public. Displaying much larger olivine crystals than have
ever been seen before, the superlative Fukang meteorite is in outstanding
condition; its nickel-iron matrix exhibits abundant high quality olivine
crystals. The quality of some of the crystals is so fine that they may be
classified as peridot crystals, a gem form of olivine.

A brief history of Pallasites:
In 1749 on a remote wooded ridge of Mount Emir, Siberia, the first pallasite
meteorite was discovered. The native Tartars believed the iron was a holy
relic that had fallen from the heavens. In 1772, Peter Simon Pallas, the
German scientist for whom this category of meteorites was named, visited the
site and removed samples of the 700-kilogram mass. Although it would be
several years before scientists would accept the theory that stones and
irons fall from the heavens, the Pallas iron was eventually recognized as a
meteorite and identified as such. The large mass is now on display at the
Academy of Sciences Mineral Museum.

Over the next 161 years, other much smaller pallasites were discovered and
identified. Then, in 1937 at Huckitta, Australia, a pallasite weighing 1,411
kilograms was found; unfortunately, nearly the entire specimen had weathered
into iron shale, leaving only 450 kilograms of intact specimen which is
currently in Adelaide, Australia.

Fourteen years later, in 1951, a 1,500-kilogram pallasite was found in
Esquel, Argentina. A private individual maintained ownership until 1992 when
it was sold and was subsequently sawed into hundreds of small pieces. The
largest intact piece of the specimen is now less than 200 kilograms.

Not since 1951 has as large and significant a pallasite been found as the
Fukang Meteorite, discovered outside a tiny village in Northwestern China in
2003. The specimen's very large size, superb quality and enormous,
high-quality crystals make it a find of historic importance.
Measuring 8 1/2 x 8 1/2 x 1/8in. Weighing 910 grams.

Estimate: $18,000 to 22,000

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Regards.
Martin

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Subject: [meteorite-list] FUKANG METEORITE


> Hello again list.I got an email from a list member stating that the main
> mass of the fukang meteorite is at u of arizona.Man that piece looks like
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

Probably its a mistake of the newspaper have put the
news, in the official abstarct its write merrillite

Matteo

--- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha
scritto: 

> Hehe, the Museo played some jokes with you.
> 
> Melinite is an explosive, invented by Eugène Turpin
> (1848-1927) (a relative
> of Ben Turpin?)
> http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p4556.htm
> was used at that time as filling of grenades.
> 
> And melinite is an anagram of ilmenite, found in
> moon rocks...
> 
> Buckleboo!
> Martin
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:17 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide
> official name
> 
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> > Hello
> >
> > Today in the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato
> it
> > comes presented the new Iron-Nichel posphide found
> in
> > my acapulcoite NWA 1054. The official name of the
> > posphide its melliniite.
> >
> > Matteo
> >
> >
> > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
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> ITALY
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name

Hehe, the Museo played some jokes with you.

Melinite is an explosive, invented by Eugène Turpin (1848-1927) (a relative
of Ben Turpin?)
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p4556.htm
was used at that time as filling of grenades.

And melinite is an anagram of ilmenite, found in moon rocks...

Buckleboo!
Martin

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From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Iron-Nichel posphide official name


> Hello
>
> Today in the Museo di Scienze Planetarie of Prato it
> comes presented the new Iron-Nichel posphide found in
> my acapulcoite NWA 1054. The official name of the
> posphide its melliniite.
>
> Matteo
>
>
> M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
> Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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>
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