Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
LOL if Adam and I are in 100% agreement there MUST be something to said about the issue. I strongly suggest members of the hobby start writting letters to authors or editors of these sort of articles I think 20% or 20 grams is pretty generous. Some dealers exceed this expectation and others don't. The ones that don't should be forced to adhere or lose official status on their stones. incase anyone wasnt aware the 20 grams or 20% rule isnt an actual rule but a guideline. If you are simply unwilling to provide the required amount shop around for labs to classify the material. say you get a wickedly orientated rock that you suspect to be martian - it's 99% crusted and you dont want to cut into the flow lines int he front or the bubbling crust on the back. Find a researcher who is willing to do the work and when they submit the classification they can simply apeal to the nomcom to waive the type specimin deposit requirement. If it's a choice between securing what is avalible of a valuble meteorite for science and meeting some arbitrary donation threshold the right thing to do should be obvious. I wouldnt suggest that this proceedure should be abused, but in some rare cases it simply doesnt make sense to cut a meteorite to satisfy some guideline. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than...
In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:58:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This worries some scientists who study meteorites for clues about the early life of our solar system. They wonder how many new finds they'll get access to before the space rocks are sliced into collectible fragments and disappear into private collections. List, Historically, and even in the present, it seems to be it is the scientists who have been guilty of slicing up meteorites. Personally, I don't disagree with this process as that is how one gets inside a meteorite to find out the information it contains. (Imagine if there was an uproar over the fact that rough diamonds were being destroyed while being cut up for those who collect them?) I am not sure whose fault this is that the stories are being reported as such? But having a little experience with the media in the last few months I know that often what is published or broadcast is exactly what is spoon fed to them. And on the other hand, all too often they come up with misstatements all on their own. The fact that we have seen these comments show up in multiple articles makes me wonder what their Meteorite Center's press release is actually putting out? I know with the Monahans story in 1998, the AP reported that the Fire Chief had confiscated the 7 boy's rock while it was in fact the Police Chief that did it. A minor error, one might think, but one that got copied and repeated over and over again because the reliable AP ran the mistake from the start. If there is an element of controversy, then they present themselves as the heroes with a white hat coming in to save the day, then it might make a little more interesting story, one that might get printed more. But it does seem to be slightly insulting that the hunters and dealers are made out to be bad guys because they are doing the same thing the scientists have been doing for centuries, and still do today. Has anyone asked Kilgore if this really is his position, or if he is being misquoted? I wonder if any of the people at other institutions are insulted by the presentation that until the Southwest Meteorite Center came along, there was no institution available to catalogue and preserve meteorites for science? Steve Arnold IMB __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Clarification? ...Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
Hiho list, Hola As so often Slow Brain Martin has difficulties to understand the whole thing. Perhaps the Killgores may explain us, what this new Center is all about, to avoid misunderstandings or deformation by media or wrong quotations. On 1st of February Ron Baalke posted to the list an announcement and the introduction of that new Center, written by Lori Stiles UA Scientist and Private Collector Form Center to Save Meteorites There the aims of the Center were defined: They want to preserve meteorites for being cut and for science, they want to classify, to document, to curate them and they want to control the market situation and to buy them. The whole point of what we're doing is to prevent people from cutting every rare meteorite into tiny, little pieces, said Marvin Killgore SWMC will offer collectors, dealers, owners and amateur enthusiasts a fair price for part of the vanishing meteorite legacy. And after UA buys some, or all, of the meteorite for the public repository, everybody in the market will know just how much of the material is still left for sale. -- Before on 20th of January Dolores Hill forwarded a clarification of Lauretta/Killgore, because Killgore was attacked because of a possible conflict of a commercial dealer being employed by a non-commercial scientific institution. There they state as goals: Education, preservation, classification, to become one of the largest collections. -- They have also a homepage: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/swmc/ The most bold set assertion there reads: The preservation of these treasures from outer space requires an organization with the financial resources to acquire and preserve this material while it is still available. The before quotes aims are found there + the goal of raising a fund of ten million $. -- (those statements of an enmity between science and commerce, the heritage of million of years accumulated meteorites, and that science hadn't the means to buy all the stuff - we don't have to discuss, take it for a legitimate dramatisation for reaching the goals of the Center faster). Well, I thought: Great! They want to preserve meteorites from cutting. They want to preserve rare types for science and they want to purchase meteorites at fair prices. So to support those aims, I offered them the world largest entire ureilite stone (according to the Bulletin-Database and Kenna was cut) with 8.4kgs (the largest Shisr 007 stone was only half as big), to prevent it from the fate of being destroyed by cutting and I offered it at 2.5$ per gram - at least for them that should be a fair price. I never received an aswer. -- And finally now, we read the article by Joshua Brownt, where the before mentioned aims of the Center seem to have changed or at least were strongly reduced: In exchange for getting a piece of a dealer's meteorite to study and add to their lending library, the center's scientists will verify and classify the dealer's rock so customers will know what they are buying. and The center promises to cut that verification time down by hiring staff whose only job is meteorite identification. That would mean nothing so remarkable, in my eyes, not worth to make such a noise and it wouldn't be a new approach. The only difference to the situation before would be, that the University of Arizona will add on its capacity to classify meteorites. And that from now on, if someone wants to have classified his/her meteorite in only a few weeks, it will be for free. That's an improvement. In general classifications in other places are free too, but take quite a while, and for a classification in all cases everywhere a deposit for science of 20g or 20% of a stone must be supplied, so I can't see here a New Deal. If Joshua Brownt is right, then the SWMC would be nothing else as a place for classification, and the big words spread would be not adequate, as all what would be left is: We do classification faster than others (which is a good thing), bring your stones to us, so that the university collection can grow with the type specimens. --- So I think a clarification should be necessary, as I suppose, that some of those articles maybe are incomplete. Thanks Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von stan . Gesendet: Montag, 27. Februar 2006 08:17 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Prospectors,Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites) Wichtigkeit: Hoch This worries some scientists who study meteorites for clues about the early life of our solar system. They wonder how many new finds they'll get access to before the space rocks are sliced into collectible fragments and disappear into private collections. *snip* ''I don't think of them as my competition, Lauretta said, ''because they're out there pounding the hot desert ground, making new discoveries, when I don't
RE: [meteorite-list] Clarification? ...Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
Hello Martin and list, Martin wrote, trying to figure out what the Center is: The only difference to the situation before would be, that the University of Arizona will add on its capacity to classify meteorites. And that from now on, if someone wants to have classified his/her meteorite in only a few weeks, it will be for free. That's an improvement. During Killgore's talk at the Micheal Blood auction, he mentioned there would be classification opportunities. So after the talk, I asked Dante and Marvin, What does classification opportunities mean? From their answer, to get meteorites classified through the center, you will have to join a subscription like service. That you would pay a certain fee and it would allow you to get so many stones classified. Numbers were not worked out at the time. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Clarification? ...Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
Hmmm, so where is the beef? If one will have to pay for classification, I can't see any new advantage for a dealer at all, as at other institutions they get the classification for free or, if they don't want to wait many months or a year, they already do have a place, where it can be done in a few weeks for a fee - and for a collector, who wants to get his NWA or Franconia classified, it would be a worsening. Hence just another place for classification and not a new link between researchers and dealers? But let's wait, what Killgore will hopefully tell us. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von MARK BOSTICK Gesendet: Montag, 27. Februar 2006 14:16 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Clarification? ...Prospectors,Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites) Hello Martin and list, Martin wrote, trying to figure out what the Center is: The only difference to the situation before would be, that the University of Arizona will add on its capacity to classify meteorites. And that from now on, if someone wants to have classified his/her meteorite in only a few weeks, it will be for free. That's an improvement. During Killgore's talk at the Micheal Blood auction, he mentioned there would be classification opportunities. So after the talk, I asked Dante and Marvin, What does classification opportunities mean? From their answer, to get meteorites classified through the center, you will have to join a subscription like service. That you would pay a certain fee and it would allow you to get so many stones classified. Numbers were not worked out at the time. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 26, Issue 76
Are you sure it isn't called Brokeback Mountain Wash? LOL Karin Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:22:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] buck mountain wash To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello list.When I was in tucson I had heard of another new arizona meteorite,BUCK MOUNTAIN WASH.I had the chance to get some but I forgot to.Who has any?I would like to get a piece.Frgament,endcut,slice,or individual.It does not matter.Please get back to me off-list. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re-2: [meteorite-list] AD- NWA 1465 - Still a few under $50 but runningout fast
Mark wrote: NWA 1465 is a very interesting meteorite. With its unusual e l o n g a t e d c h on dr u l e s it reminds me of Leoville. .. the so-called f o l i a t e d chondrules. foliated derived from Anne's native language la feuillle = leaf ;-) They do look like elongated leaves! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Ebay sales closing tonight
Greeting all I have a number of meteorites closing on eBay tonight including an unclassified NWA with a large gray clast, small millbillillie complete individual and slice, and one of those super oriented sikhote-alin pieces. Have a look. http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=katy2kary -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bulgaria
All I can say is watch out for the guy trying to sell meteorites from Bulgaria . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
They wonder how many new finds they'll get access to before the space rocks are sliced into collectible fragments and disappear into private collectionsThis is something that has always bothered me. That goes for any rare meteorite, or even a nice common one. But if the museums and researchers can't come up with money to buy them from collectors, and researchers won't go out and find them themselves (or finance hunting groups), I don't know whether there is a solution. Maybe Canada does have the answer! Ron - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors,Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites) Article quoted the following: . I think 20% or 20 grams is pretty generous. Some dealers exceed this expectation and others don't. The ones that don't should be forced to adhere or lose official status on their stones. My Question: Isn't this same thing happening with Fukang?, a rare meteorite sliced into ever smaller pieces and put on the market. Some were falsely claiming Fukang as being a new type of ungrouped Pallasite. Donors to the Southwest Meteorite Center get a nice little slice of Fukang presented in acrylic if they provide enough capitol to the organization. Why isn't Fukang being preserved as a main mass for presentation and study? Is something wrong with this philosophy or I am missing something here? Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2/24/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rob's NWA 1465 Carbonaceous Chondrite
.. just in case you didn't notice: 1. it's a CV3-anom 2. it's chemically reduced 3. CV3-like but O-isotopes plot near CR chondrites 4. several foliated CAI's and chondrules 5. some chondrules show preferred orientaton Preferred orientation easily recognizable in the 20.3-gram slice that still seems to be available. I have a 4.2-gram slice, otherwise I would surely purchase one of them - preferably the 20.3-gram slice! Off to bed after a friend's 63rd birthday bash with some fresh, not too cold beers :-) Good night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I need a polisher Help Please
I need a decent machine to polish slices like yesterday. New or used , doesnt matter. So could anyone with a little experience polishing slices give me their 2 cents on the subject. Help locating one on the net or otherwise would be appreciated. Tried ebay . didnt like what I seen on there. Thanks Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I need a polisher Help Please
look here http://www.hitechdiamond.com/ Matteo --- Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I need a decent machine to polish slices like yesterday. New or used , doesnt matter. So could anyone with a little experience polishing slices give me their 2 cents on the subject. Help locating one on the net or otherwise would be appreciated. Tried ebay . didnt like what I seen on there. Thanks Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] website and pf trade update
Good evening list.I have just uploaded 18 new meteorites to my webite.Including THE SNAKE.A 397 gram fully sculpted campo iron.It is the most unique piece I have ever seen.You can see it on my home page.Also I am still looking to trade for park forest.I have the 1 kilo gibeon.Anyone who wants to trade,I will throw in a 96 gram whole individual of SEYCHAM.I am looking for any type of pf with in 25 to 50 grams.View my website at your liesure,and email offlist about a trade. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)]
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_science/articles/2006/02/27/prospectors_scientists_vie_for_rocks_more_precious_than_gold/ In 1995, Killgore gave up his job as a plumber to become a meteorite prospector. He now has one of the world's premier private collections, including one lunar specimen valued at $8 million that he located with the help of Bedouin nomads. NWA 773, which I guess he's discussing with the journalist here, has a TKW of 633 g; at $8 million value, this comes to $12,638/g. The same type of lunar gabbro material can be purchased for a few hundred per gram today. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for Rocks More Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)
That goes for any rare meteorite, or even a nice common one. But if the museums and researchers can't come up with money to buy them from collectors, and researchers won't go out and find them themselves (or finance hunting groups), I don't know whether there is a solution. Maybe Canada does have the answer! Ron i dont think the meteorites of the dry desserts stand too much of a chance of melting through the ice to fall to the bottom of a 1000m deep lake... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brenham , Ks nice slice for sale
for those of you who don't yet have this nice pallasite, here is a very nice one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6609315297 i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Prospectors, Scientists Vie for RocksMore Precious Than Gold (Meteorites)]
In 1995, Killgore gave up his job as a plumber to become a meteorite prospector. He now has one of the world's premier private collections, including one lunar specimen valued at $8 million that he located with the help of Bedouin nomads. NWA 773, which I guess he's discussing with the journalist here, has a TKW of 633 g; at $8 million value, this comes to $12,638/g. The same type of lunar gabbro material can be purchased for a few hundred per gram today. David cool. that makes my mian mass of 2727 worth about a million bucks - maybe more since it has a lower TKW is 50% crusted and a dome shape orientated stone. Since killgore's new center will be offering collectors a 'fair value' I guess their price should be pretty close to that number, right? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LunarRover / Apollo Astronaut -Dho 1180 PV -Ad
Hello List, All of the Apollo Astronaut sculptures that I had have been sent to their new owners, along with their respective DHO 1180 slices. To those of you that were unable to reply before they were gone (including those enjoying the 2006 Tucson show and away from the List when I first made the announcement) I have some news that may be of interest to you. These National Air and Space Museum Collection items were limited number editions and are no longer being made, nor available from the parent company. I was lucky to get the initital kits, and thought they would be the only ones I would be able to obtain. But after the success of the earlier offer, and requests for others, Jerry and I spent a LOT of time checking around, and finally got lucky. We found a couple more astronaut sculptures, AND not only that, we were also very happy to find four Lunar Rover kits that we weren't able to obtain during our earlier offer! As far as we know, these are THE last Astronauts and Rovers that we will have to offer. So, while these items last-- and first come, first served--- you will get a free ASTRONAUT with the purchase of any DHO 1180 slice for $600 or more, and the much harder to obtain ROVER for any slice for $1000 or more ( shipping and insurance not included ). You can see them pictured here on my site: http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/Lunar.htm or http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/ If you do visit our site, you will also see that we do not have very many PV pieces left for sale. These few remaining specimens from the 34Kg main mass include some beautiful choices, so if PV is still on your wish list, now might be the time to make that wish come true! Please email me if you are interested. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
