[meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts, pairings, and insomniactic ramblings
Hello Herman I'd like to comment a little on this whole gathering of minds and a particular comment of yours. I believe we need to protect our collections from outside unclassified infiltration whether intentional or accidental.Someday we will want to know the collection we have amassed will at least be worth what we invested into it,(money that is ) the time part is called HOBBY i think. I have been watching a couple dealers on ebay market meteorites which could well fall into just this situation, that of an influx of material which could drive value down. The one thing which kept those pieces offered attractive was the provenance of those pieces. The dealers had purchased pieces from another dealer who, either kept a good record of the piece and marked it accordingly, or bought it from another collection with an equally traceable history (Ninninger and Moning pieces come to mind). Although these pieces would not be troubled by the recent NWA influx, there is a distinct possibility that some current or future meteorite hunter could find new pieces of the meteorites they did collect and add to the total recovered weight. Will that change the value of a Ninninger or Moning piece? I doubt it. And as long as the collection co-ordinates are recorded of the new finds, and proper classification done as well, all it would do, in my opinion, is make available to the market material previously restricted in volume. These new pieces would not have the history though, and that history is as much a part of the collected item as anything else and they keep prices up on an otherwise (please forgive my base use of terminology here) common find. I like to collect, when within my reach, historic falls. I'm not impressed if they hit a house or kill a dog (although it makes for good conversation sometimes), but I am impressed by the fact that they were recognized as such during a time when science was very much under attack and struggling to establish a solid foundation. I also collect anything which strikes my fancy which could just be a great deal on ebay. NWA 869 is a great example of market flooding. Many different descriptions for what appears to be one big fall. Good looking rock and there is a lot of it. But the sources are drying up and prices are climbing, ever so slightly, and as time goes on, and as the findings of the ongoing investigation become published, I'm sure a new interest will emerge and prices will climb a little and those that hold large quantities of this rock will release a little at a time and make back their investment with a little interest as long as they don't count storage costs. That's the commercial end of it, but in there, there is this research as well, which, on the surface, is looking at the many facets of this stone and how it can be classified so many ways. Someday, this research might lead to the filling of a gap in our knowledge of how the solor system formed, at least in one region. And then, all those classifications of meteorites from North West Africa which all bear different names, but have full analysis behind those names, will get looked at to see how they fill in or fit into, the big picture. It will at least get some researcher a paper I'm sure. And one day, the Antarctic meteorites will will follow as well. But the recognized institutions which can do classifications will release the information as they can and it may well be long after we become history as well. And until we can travel to a distant proto star formation and study first hand, the formation of bodies, meteorites are our best and most easily gathered evidence of how things work. And as long as a good record is kept even on these unclassified NWA's, when purchased, from whom, and if we're lucky, who they bought from, its possible, however unlikely, that even these bargin stones might shed some light when classified, and that too can increase the value of them. If nothing more, they make great handouts for our young future scientists and also make great inexpensive teaching tools for our current students who wish to study the stars. Mark Ferguson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts (Adam Hupe) Hi Adam; I am a collector of meteorites.And as such i prefer to acquire properly classified specimens. ( personally ).And in doing so i also prefer that the specimen be in the TKW range for that particular classification.I think your personal thoughts post covers that and more.If we aren't careful we'll have purchased a piece of x meteorite at 100g TKW for the higher price that a small TKW fetches,only to find some years later that for some reason there exists 1000g in collections and more coming on the market.That flood will drive the price down for other buyers ( which is good for them ) and reduce the
RE: [meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts
Hi, Indeed, I think this topic is very important, (+ there have been some well reasoned postings too). Whilst this is mostly about the commercial impact 'ghost pairings' can have, I do feel that at the end of the day, the material we buy has to be what it is sold as, and clearly a 'visual pairing' is not enough to really say it is paired or in some cases even likely paired, BUT I guess we could argue how many false pairings have come to light over the last few years, compared to the number of meteorites that have been traded... .. Very Very few I suspect, so the system does sort of work ! Best, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:30 AM To: Adam Hupe; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts Well spoken Adam While our posts were sometimes aimed at each other, words like clown and thief and lazy will do that, we are really aiming at a difference in philosophy. I am opposed to the current multiple standards of practice regarding classification and feel that the current dense area rulings are for the science of piecing together strewnfield/dynamics information as opposed to verification of material. If not the case then why can all meteorites from Burkina Faso, another dense area, pass by my eyes and be called Gao, Bilanga, Lampiayrie, Bogou, Bereba, Guibga, and Nadiabondi with the NomCom's blessing. I am part owner of 1877 and am borrowing NomCom data on my own material with this case and with 1929. All said, the olivine diogenite suspect I have been selling has been submitted for naming...but it won't change any outcomes except bogging down real scientific work that could have been done instead of a hopeless attempt to make an NWA map hypothesis. IF it were authenticity then other dense areas would apply and every Gao would be checked against every Lampiayrie and so on. The names belong to the NomCom, that is who I borrow from, and if my eyes are trained to assess Tatahouine uncontested they are trained to assess this one. My views, not against you but the system and if we don't say the machine is broken every now and then there will be no debate or effort to change it. So yes, I bow, on my own accord. It will come up again, and we'll differ again. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts Dear List, I will try to present this in a way that is not directed at any single individual or dealer. I felt the List needed an explanation as to why I get so upset about description and number borrowing so that my real motives are known. First of all, this not entirely about commercial purposes although admittedly this plays a small part in all of this because there are some real costs involved. It is about what I feel is right and fair. I do not feel it is fair for somebody other than parties who had their material classified use numbers that apply only to certain meteorites for the following reasons; Published NWA numbers only apply to meteorites or groups of meteorites that were formally studied, submitted and then voted on. The weight is recorded under a particular number so using nomenclature that applies to an official or provisional meteorite to describe another will only serve to make these weight entries inaccurate. Although nobody owns these numbers, they do own the material that these numbers describe. This also includes collectors who purchased officially studied material under a particular number from a dealer who followed the processes in good faith. Dealers sometimes have to wait over five years to have material classified, for example, as is the case with our NWA 960 meteorite. Is it fair that somebody comes along, visually inspects their material and then claim that it is the same? It may very well be from the same fall but it unjust for a dealer to claim they have the same material and use data that was intended for another meteorite when steps were not taken to officially prove this. Is it fair that somebody brings back material, waits sometimes up to several years for a classification, pays the lab costs, writes the descriptions and then have some dealer skip all of these processes and use information that was intended to describe official material for his own personal gain? Is it fair to collectors who purchased official material to have unofficial and unclassified material being claimed as the same or even likely the same without have it first tested? There is too much room for abuse if dealers are allowed to use data and numbers intended for official or
Re: [meteorite-list] Personal Thoughts, pairings, and insomniactic ramblings
The way I see it is that there are not enough people doing analysis. In many ways this is a good thing for those doing the analysis. These rocks are being harvested at a phenomenal rate and I suspect at a far greater rate than they are actually falling. The supply is currently outstripping the ability to process. Is this always going to be the case? I envisage (oh no! now I'M having visions, shoot me) a time when the supply becomes very thin and the analysis guys can get to work on the huge backlog ensuring work for years to come. Whether this will take 10 years or 1000 years, I have absolutely no idea. Obviously, if it's towards the upper end I'm going to have to put on a bit of a health blitz to be around long enough to see the value of my collection soar. The value tends to be more important to people who see my modest collection (and to my wife. Actually she just wants to know how much I'm spending. I hear knives being sharpened). I'm not that bothered, it's fun to own these things and look at them under a microscope. This is why it's important to me that I know what I've got is what the seller says it is. Rob McCafferty --- Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Herman I'd like to comment a little on this whole gathering of minds and a particular comment of yours. I believe we need to protect our collections from outside unclassified infiltration whether intentional or accidental.Someday we will want to know the collection we have amassed will at least be worth what we invested into it,(money that is ) the time part is called HOBBY i think. I have been watching a couple dealers on ebay market meteorites which could well fall into just this situation, that of an influx of material which could drive value down. The one thing which kept those pieces offered attractive was the provenance of those pieces. The dealers had purchased pieces from another dealer who, either kept a good record of the piece and marked it accordingly, or bought it from another collection with an equally traceable history (Ninninger and Moning pieces come to mind). Although these pieces would not be troubled by the recent NWA influx, there is a distinct possibility that some current or future meteorite hunter could find new pieces of the meteorites they did collect and add to the total recovered weight. Will that change the value of a Ninninger or Moning piece? I doubt it. And as long as the collection co-ordinates are recorded of the new finds, and proper classification done as well, all it would do, in my opinion, is make available to the market material previously restricted in volume. These new pieces would not have the history though, and that history is as much a part of the collected item as anything else and they keep prices up on an otherwise (please forgive my base use of terminology here) common find. I like to collect, when within my reach, historic falls. I'm not impressed if they hit a house or kill a dog (although it makes for good conversation sometimes), but I am impressed by the fact that they were recognized as such during a time when science was very much under attack and struggling to establish a solid foundation. I also collect anything which strikes my fancy which could just be a great deal on ebay. NWA 869 is a great example of market flooding. Many different descriptions for what appears to be one big fall. Good looking rock and there is a lot of it. But the sources are drying up and prices are climbing, ever so slightly, and as time goes on, and as the findings of the ongoing investigation become published, I'm sure a new interest will emerge and prices will climb a little and those that hold large quantities of this rock will release a little at a time and make back their investment with a little interest as long as they don't count storage costs. That's the commercial end of it, but in there, there is this research as well, which, on the surface, is looking at the many facets of this stone and how it can be classified so many ways. Someday, this research might lead to the filling of a gap in our knowledge of how the solor system formed, at least in one region. And then, all those classifications of meteorites from North West Africa which all bear different names, but have full analysis behind those names, will get looked at to see how they fill in or fit into, the big picture. It will at least get some researcher a paper I'm sure. And one day, the Antarctic meteorites will will follow as well. But the recognized institutions which can do classifications will release the information as they can and it may well be long after we become history as well. And until we can travel to a distant proto star formation and study first hand, the formation of bodies, meteorites are our best and most easily gathered evidence of how things work. And as long
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: 27.7g Lunar NEA001???
I admit to sleeping through some of these post but when did North East Africa (NEA) come on to the scene as a recognized concentration area getting its own Numbering system? Or is this the new name for Omaniee or Lyberian material now that the borders are closed to collectors? Oman is not in Africa. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek DMS website http://www.dmsweb.org - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gifhorn, Money and Personal Thoughts
Hi Marcin and List! Sure, money (and profit also) is important for meteorites! If meteorites wouldn´t have a value for collectors, the NWA rush hadn´t took place and a lot of very interesting material wouldn´t have been discovered for science! But: There are a lot of people out there (mostly scientists), who think, that meteorites don´t belong into collectors hands (like artifacts and so on...). I don´t think so! Science wouldn´t have the possibility to get this rar stuff, if there would´t be the market and one thing is clear: the market is there, cause there are collectors, so the market is primary for collectors too. But I think we have a type of responsibility how we treat the material too! Most of us are dealing a little bit to refinance our hobby (so do I), some are dealing professional, that´s no problem for me! I have a problem with dealers or dealing collectors, who cut (or even break) their material into smallest (mostly subgram range) pieces to maximate their profit! This can NOT be the way to go!!! Clear, a meteorite has to be cutted or maybe sliced up total for resell! But, is it OK if I cut a beautiful slice into 2...3456. part slices, which don´t show this beauty or the special texture of this material, only to have a better or easier resell? For me it isn´t OK!!! I think: Cutting YES, if the piece will win a little bit, but NOT for profit! Have a look into german ebay and you will see what I mean.. to Gifhorn: Marcin, you are right and I can understand your opinion! I know also, that there are a lot of faults in planing or in the application of this fair! But one thing is clear: Dealers only come to a fair, if they could make a profit, which is in relation to their costs, this means, we need clients! But clients only only visit a fair, if they think, there are a lot material to see and buy, so they need dealers! It´s a vicious circle! So what can the meteorite community do? First of all, we can write Mr. Bartoschewitz some e-mails, to show him what´s wrong (date, application, etc.)! We should try to visit the fair if possible.. and so on! We have to do everything, that will Gifhorn let grow.. Just my two (noncommercial) Euro-Cents! :) Ingo --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Marcin Cimala - PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Ingo Herkstroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Gifhorn in the news (in German!) Datum: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:49:22 +0200 Hi folks! This is the most important thing for our hobby or business: publicity and education! It´s not important how big a fair is (like Andy Gren has posted), it´s important that there is a fair. Sure, Gifhorn is very very small, but it can grow and become bigger... Shame on us, if we only think on profit if we talk about meteorites Just my two ?-cents! == Now my two thousant dollars Gifhorn was very nice fair 3-4 years ago. I was on fair No 2-3-4 I think but from the last 2 years it going down. Just find Martin Boockleboo report from Gifhorn 2005. Anyway if someone live 100-300km far from Gifhorn its not a problem. But for me and my friends its 800km. Too far to drive only fo little fun, and in the best years the Poland Team was one of the biggest on fair, 10-11 persons) Money in this hobby is very importand thing. We love meteorites but time is not good and money are importand. I think how to sell to have money for next meteorites, You think how to buy cheap to get more pieces for Your collection. Buying and selling its just half of the fun in meteorite business. Not only hunt them, watch them, cut/polish them. I stoped buy meteorites for my collection. I have found other way. I buy meteorites for sale. It is fun for me and pleasure, also if this not bring me back big profits. And if in mean time some collectors will be happy from specimens that they purchased from me it is just extra profit for me. CU in Ensisheim -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] -- Analog-/ISDN-Nutzer sparen mit GMX SmartSurfer bis zu 70%! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness
Dear list, we shouldn't loose in this discussions a more general sight. Dealers moan about the radical drop in prices, the difficulties to get the stuff classified, collectors bewail the lack of accurate data for their material, both groups permanently are afraid to experience a financial loss, scientists complain about a criminal plundering and feel to classify an ordinary chondrite is an emetic job; collectors and scientists accuse the dealers of being driven solely by rampant mammonism; collectors blame scientists and dealers to destroy fine specimens by cutting, dealers and collectors object to scientists to have an insufficient description system and no interest in bringing paired stuff together... If you read the list, then you inevitably get to the point, that the Sahara-boom must have been a downright terrible calamity!!! Well, I really don't know anymore, whether I have to make clear, that the short period of the desert rush, was and will be for all groups an incredible and, sadly, an irrecoverable enormous MEGA-TERA-PARA-BONANZA in all fields (hunting, collecting, sience, monetary aspects). Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. Tell them, how few different meteorites one could permanently acquire at all. Tell them, what an overwhelming sensation it was, to find exhibited on a dealers table a piece of a HOW or URE, which was larger sized than a fingernail! Tell them, what for a deep satisfaction it was, to get a pinhead sized bogey of something so exotic lice an ACAP or even a Moon in one's collection. Tell them, how catastrophically ruinous your fervor was, what efforts were to undertake to get a Brahin or a Sikhote into the colln. Good heavens folks, those weren't mythical ages aeons ago, that happened still 6-10 years ago! You Morocco-crusaders, tell them, how short those Sahara-boom lasted, tell them about the culmination 3 years ago, tell them how rapidly it is going to an end since. Scientists, tell them of those days, when it was an exiting event to get an eucrite on the table, tell them how appetently you were buying and trading the first desert finds! I really can't grok the permanent discussions here. What do we all want more On the one hand the permanent whining, that market is in ruin, on the other hand the whining about exaggerated prices, are you all blind? Collectors, the prices of today for desert material are 10-50 times LOWER than only a few years ago. What does it matter at this level, whether a DIO or a R has 200grams tkw or with its possible pairings 5kgs??? What shall those grieved faces, if you have bought a cumul EUC at 6$/g and some months later for a short period it is going for 2.5$/g ??? Do you seriously think, that in the very next few years prices will stay so low and that each type will still be disposable at will?? Dealers, what shall the anxiety that there is almost no profit to make at present times with desert and that you had losses with material bought a while ago? Sell meanwhile classical locations, they are stable and there you can earn money. And with desert: Don't you see, how the first type already tripled in price on ebay? Don't you see, that the supply from desert breaks down? Don't you see your collegues haply buying each brown boring stone they can get down there, for later folding their feet on the table in front of the fireplace in their villas? (Argh any wealthy sponsor out there, for whom we could organize a mighty additional old age pension, as long as it is still possible?) And what about those plaints about the missing data for NWAs? The stuff is incredible dirt cheap and everyone knows, that there's the rub, in the way, they were collected, whereon nobody had any influence. Strewnfield data simply can't be retrieved anymore. Whether the pairings will be set together again, we will see much later, I personally guess, as it is already the case, at least the most rare types will be compared. If you can't bear to have such orphans in your collection, just don't acquire NWAs, take classical locations or Oman-meteorites (as long as it's still possible), who do have all data, but are paid like NWAs at present. Or buy from real Sahara-hunters, who record the data of their true finds, like e.g. Franco or the Berouds. Instantaneously the dilemma between accurate tkw of possible pairings and the official classification of stones, to calm the collectors to get 100% officially the right stuff, can't be solved. (A dilemma which can't be resolved, Martin Pleonasticus is speaking). And also the reproaches against the Met.Soc and the Nom.Com aren't justified. Please check the archive, wasn't it last year, when Grossman explicitely invited collectors and dealers here on the list, to help with their ideas to improve the nomenclature system for NWA-meteorites? As one of
[meteorite-list] 'Mars' meteorite
Hello List Well, I got up to northern NH the other day with my wife CJ. We fot a chance too meet with the man who owns the so-called mars meteorite you keep seeing on TV. First let me say this man is a very nice man who believes in his heart that the specimen he found will help him restore his church to its former glory. But my second conclucion is that there is no way this is a meteorite - especially from mars. It looks more like a huge hematite node. Even its crumbs are magnetic. Pieces from it are flakes, rather than 'chunks'. I would like to help this man ID just what it is he has as I believe there is SOME value there that will help him in his personal mission. He has offered a 30 pound piece to me for slicing and disemmination to researchers. I am looking for geologists rather than meteoricists as I believe this is terrestrial. Anybody know who may be able to help me help this man? Photos here; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/mars HUGE filesizes for good detail; Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness
Well spoken, Martin! We all (collectors, dealers and scientists) should be happy to have the possibility to get the rar material! Ingo --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness Datum: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:42 +0200 Dear list, we shouldn't loose in this discussions a more general sight. Dealers moan about the radical drop in prices, the difficulties to get the stuff classified, collectors bewail the lack of accurate data for their material, both groups permanently are afraid to experience a financial loss, scientists complain about a criminal plundering and feel to classify an ordinary chondrite is an emetic job; collectors and scientists accuse the dealers of being driven solely by rampant mammonism; collectors blame scientists and dealers to destroy fine specimens by cutting, dealers and collectors object to scientists to have an insufficient description system and no interest in bringing paired stuff together... If you read the list, then you inevitably get to the point, that the Sahara-boom must have been a downright terrible calamity!!! Well, I really don't know anymore, whether I have to make clear, that the short period of the desert rush, was and will be for all groups an incredible and, sadly, an irrecoverable enormous MEGA-TERA-PARA-BONANZA in all fields (hunting, collecting, sience, monetary aspects). Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. Tell them, how few different meteorites one could permanently acquire at all. Tell them, what an overwhelming sensation it was, to find exhibited on a dealers table a piece of a HOW or URE, which was larger sized than a fingernail! Tell them, what for a deep satisfaction it was, to get a pinhead sized bogey of something so exotic lice an ACAP or even a Moon in one's collection. Tell them, how catastrophically ruinous your fervor was, what efforts were to undertake to get a Brahin or a Sikhote into the colln. Good heavens folks, those weren't mythical ages aeons ago, that happened still 6-10 years ago! You Morocco-crusaders, tell them, how short those Sahara-boom lasted, tell them about the culmination 3 years ago, tell them how rapidly it is going to an end since. Scientists, tell them of those days, when it was an exiting event to get an eucrite on the table, tell them how appetently you were buying and trading the first desert finds! I really can't grok the permanent discussions here. What do we all want more On the one hand the permanent whining, that market is in ruin, on the other hand the whining about exaggerated prices, are you all blind? Collectors, the prices of today for desert material are 10-50 times LOWER than only a few years ago. What does it matter at this level, whether a DIO or a R has 200grams tkw or with its possible pairings 5kgs??? What shall those grieved faces, if you have bought a cumul EUC at 6$/g and some months later for a short period it is going for 2.5$/g ??? Do you seriously think, that in the very next few years prices will stay so low and that each type will still be disposable at will?? Dealers, what shall the anxiety that there is almost no profit to make at present times with desert and that you had losses with material bought a while ago? Sell meanwhile classical locations, they are stable and there you can earn money. And with desert: Don't you see, how the first type already tripled in price on ebay? Don't you see, that the supply from desert breaks down? Don't you see your collegues haply buying each brown boring stone they can get down there, for later folding their feet on the table in front of the fireplace in their villas? (Argh any wealthy sponsor out there, for whom we could organize a mighty additional old age pension, as long as it is still possible?) And what about those plaints about the missing data for NWAs? The stuff is incredible dirt cheap and everyone knows, that there's the rub, in the way, they were collected, whereon nobody had any influence. Strewnfield data simply can't be retrieved anymore. Whether the pairings will be set together again, we will see much later, I personally guess, as it is already the case, at least the most rare types will be compared. If you can't bear to have such orphans in your collection, just don't acquire NWAs, take classical locations or Oman-meteorites (as long as it's still possible), who do have all data, but are paid like NWAs at present. Or buy from real Sahara-hunters, who record the data of their true finds, like e.g. Franco or the Berouds. Instantaneously the dilemma between accurate tkw of possible pairings and the official
Re: [meteorite-list] 'Mars' meteorite
Wow, it's much smaller than it looks in the auction photos. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions and AD - Bilanga Park Forest
Hi Anne, Fascinating and I really don't know what that may be. I'd like to know though as my NWA 3119 (LL4) has a weird bluish iron blob too. It's visible in the last image at the top left. http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa3119.html Anyone have any ideas on either of these meteorites? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions and AD - Bilanga Park Forest Hello Jeff, Bob, List, Thanks Jeff for the picture of that most-unusual Bensour. It sounds possible that the Park Forest his wife found contains troilite, it is the right color. But it does not work for my weird Bilanga. The metal vein is bluish, the colors on the pictures are accurate, I made sure of that. And it is iron, I checked it with a magnet. So it looks like it is an iron vein, but has anything like that ever been found in a Bilanga fragment? Thanks for the comments. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness
Right Ingo, Martin, we´re in Met-heaven today. Let´s see how long it lasts. And I´m afraid we´ll all see it, sooner than assumed. still a collector, Stefan Well spoken, Martin! We all (collectors, dealers and scientists) should be happy to have the possibility to get the rar material! Ingo --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness Datum: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:43:42 +0200 Dear list, we shouldn't loose in this discussions a more general sight. Dealers moan about the radical drop in prices, the difficulties to get the stuff classified, collectors bewail the lack of accurate data for their material, both groups permanently are afraid to experience a financial loss, scientists complain about a criminal plundering and feel to classify an ordinary chondrite is an emetic job; collectors and scientists accuse the dealers of being driven solely by rampant mammonism; collectors blame scientists and dealers to destroy fine specimens by cutting, dealers and collectors object to scientists to have an insufficient description system and no interest in bringing paired stuff together... If you read the list, then you inevitably get to the point, that the Sahara-boom must have been a downright terrible calamity!!! Well, I really don't know anymore, whether I have to make clear, that the short period of the desert rush, was and will be for all groups an incredible and, sadly, an irrecoverable enormous MEGA-TERA-PARA-BONANZA in all fields (hunting, collecting, sience, monetary aspects). Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. Tell them, how few different meteorites one could permanently acquire at all. Tell them, what an overwhelming sensation it was, to find exhibited on a dealers table a piece of a HOW or URE, which was larger sized than a fingernail! Tell them, what for a deep satisfaction it was, to get a pinhead sized bogey of something so exotic lice an ACAP or even a Moon in one's collection. Tell them, how catastrophically ruinous your fervor was, what efforts were to undertake to get a Brahin or a Sikhote into the colln. Good heavens folks, those weren't mythical ages aeons ago, that happened still 6-10 years ago! You Morocco-crusaders, tell them, how short those Sahara-boom lasted, tell them about the culmination 3 years ago, tell them how rapidly it is going to an end since. Scientists, tell them of those days, when it was an exiting event to get an eucrite on the table, tell them how appetently you were buying and trading the first desert finds! I really can't grok the permanent discussions here. What do we all want more On the one hand the permanent whining, that market is in ruin, on the other hand the whining about exaggerated prices, are you all blind? Collectors, the prices of today for desert material are 10-50 times LOWER than only a few years ago. What does it matter at this level, whether a DIO or a R has 200grams tkw or with its possible pairings 5kgs??? What shall those grieved faces, if you have bought a cumul EUC at 6$/g and some months later for a short period it is going for 2.5$/g ??? Do you seriously think, that in the very next few years prices will stay so low and that each type will still be disposable at will?? Dealers, what shall the anxiety that there is almost no profit to make at present times with desert and that you had losses with material bought a while ago? Sell meanwhile classical locations, they are stable and there you can earn money. And with desert: Don't you see, how the first type already tripled in price on ebay? Don't you see, that the supply from desert breaks down? Don't you see your collegues haply buying each brown boring stone they can get down there, for later folding their feet on the table in front of the fireplace in their villas? (Argh any wealthy sponsor out there, for whom we could organize a mighty additional old age pension, as long as it is still possible?) And what about those plaints about the missing data for NWAs? The stuff is incredible dirt cheap and everyone knows, that there's the rub, in the way, they were collected, whereon nobody had any influence. Strewnfield data simply can't be retrieved anymore. Whether the pairings will be set together again, we will see much later, I personally guess, as it is already the case, at least the most rare types will be compared. If you can't bear to have such orphans in your collection, just don't acquire NWAs, take classical locations or Oman-meteorites (as long as it's still possible), who do have all data, but are paid like NWAs at present. Or buy from real Sahara-hunters, who record the data of their true finds, like e.g. Franco or the Berouds.
RE: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness
Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. I dont know about the other guys you mentioned, but Blaine has 'been in the game' long enough to tell us how it was before not only the 'nwa era' but before the 'speculative frenzy' era. When I first became interested in meteorites common chonderites might command a few $ per gram - but zagami could be had for 50$/g, millbillillie or camel donga for 2$/g - even 100% crusted specimins. Nakhla at 400$/g was considered the ultimate rarity an murchison could be found for 10-20$/g for tumbnail sized pieces. The price crash of the nwa era was directly preceeded by a price inflation period when people with more money than sense thought meteorites would be a good investment. prices were driven up by new dealers trying to see if they could raise their prices faster than their competition. And this was faily recent history too. This time predated the nwa era by only a handfull of years. IIRC it was 13 or 14 years go when I was tickled pink that the price of camel donga had 'skyrocketed' to 4$/g and I unloaded a large number of complete individuals to Blaine Reed. Not a bad investment for a kid who saved up his lunch money to buy shiney rocks from space while in high school. I will admit that the avalibility of material was less back then. it was no where nearly as easy to pick up a 5kg ureilitie or winonaite then as it is today - but alot of the rare material was still much cheaper back then than it is today. (and let's not forget the cheap odessa and canyon diablo that was avalible by the barrel load) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin, Gee this somehow all sounds familiar. oh, yes, only the ongoing theme of my METEORITE MARKET TRENDS for the last several years... I'm with you, 100%. Don't take my word for it - read the monthly back issues going back to Jan, 2003 at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT1.html You will find nearly every single point you make mentioned in those articles (taken from the issues of METEORITE MAGAZINE). I beat this drum continually - but only scarcely hear even part of the rhythm echoed back. Good on ya. Best wishes, Michael on 5/9/06 4:43 AM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. Tell them, how few different meteorites one could permanently acquire at all. Tell them, what an overwhelming sensation it was, to find exhibited on a dealers table a piece of a HOW or URE, which was larger sized than a fingernail! Tell them, what for a deep satisfaction it was, to get a pinhead sized bogey of something so exotic lice an ACAP or even a Moon in one's collection. Tell them, how catastrophically ruinous your fervor was, what efforts were to undertake to get a Brahin or a Sikhote into the colln. Good heavens folks, those weren't mythical ages aeons ago, that happened still 6-10 years ago! You Morocco-crusaders, tell them, how short those Sahara-boom lasted, tell them about the culmination 3 years ago, tell them how rapidly it is going to an end since. Scientists, tell them of those days, when it was an exiting event to get an eucrite on the table, tell them how appetently you were buying and trading the first desert finds! I really can't grok the permanent discussions here. What do we all want more On the one hand the permanent whining, that market is in ruin, on the other hand the whining about exaggerated prices, are you all blind? -- He is not a lover who does not love forever. - Euripides (485-406BC) -- * If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a song about him? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Contra, Stan! you are speaking from that era, when almost nobody was collecting meteorites and there were worldwide 5 dealers, hence no market, the golden age of the 70ies and partially 80ies, when there was so few interest in meteorites, that there wasn't a market at all and the prices even lower than in the 1880ies. You are right, when you're telling, that in the 90ies the prices grew enormously - main factor, I think, was the upcoming internet and with it, the increasing number of collectors. Before almost every collector and every dealer, they all knew eachother in person (but not Martin, the kid). But the development of internet is irreversible, so those times are gone. it was no where nearly as easy to pick up a 5kg ureilitie. Well said, to illustrate it: Dingo Pup Donga, Dyalpur, Hajmah(a), Goalpara, Haverö, Lahrauli, Nilpena, North Haig, Novo-Urei had altogether 9kg. And else existed only Kenna with it's 10.7kg, wherefrom you could get your specimen and if you were extremely clever and lucky perhaps a historical crumb from Goalpara. That was it. And this we can exercise with all rare types. Nowadays Buckleboo-Martin was offering an Ure with 2.5$/g and he couldn't get rid of it, while 5-6 years ago, you had to pay 80-400$ for the first DaGs; 170-400$/g for the SAH-UREs, 350-900$/g for Goalpara. What would Stan have done, if he needed an R for his collection? Would he have paid 10$/g like today? No, he wouldn't have had any other choice, then to run to the Labennes to pay there 600$/g for their SAHs, (or to Sinclair at 750$). And what, if he would have felt a hunger for Moon? Hmm, ask Blaine, what he took for his first Moons, the alternative would have been to beg the MASTER on the knees to sell you a gram of Calcalong for 1 Mega$ and more. Make your homework and check the years of find/fall to see, how mere the assortment of the market was. Hah! When the famous HaH 237 was coming out first, even a collector from USA paid the European, who had it, the flighthotel only for showing him the stone! Man, Stan! Before desert with all rare types you had the choice between Zero and 1-3 stones and you simply had to take, what you were offered, for getting any at all into your collection. I would estimate, that there were not more than 100 different locales permanently available at all. Nowadays you have thousands to choose from. Of course there were also some meteorites, which were ridiculous cheap compared with today, take e.g. Allende, but others costed a lot more than today. Sikhote, when it became available. Chinga. Munionalusta. Campo and so on. And all in all, even if you would have been a multimillionaire, it would have been absolutely impossible for you, to built up a collection comparable to that, what you have now, Stan. Meow, In writing this lines, two things came up in my mind: Wasn't there an ureilite called Bartail? Never heard again from, or was it a hoax from Casper? And, there is so much literature by and about Nininger - do there anywhere exist pricelists from him? Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von stan . Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Mai 2006 19:29 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness Bernd, Joern, Dieter, Blaine, Alex - please you veterans help me to enlighten all those groups, that nowadays we are living in a meteoritical paradise !!! Tell them, how it was in the years before the desert rush. I dont know about the other guys you mentioned, but Blaine has 'been in the game' long enough to tell us how it was before not only the 'nwa era' but before the 'speculative frenzy' era. When I first became interested in meteorites common chonderites might command a few $ per gram - but zagami could be had for 50$/g, millbillillie or camel donga for 2$/g - even 100% crusted specimins. Nakhla at 400$/g was considered the ultimate rarity an murchison could be found for 10-20$/g for tumbnail sized pieces. The price crash of the nwa era was directly preceeded by a price inflation period when people with more money than sense thought meteorites would be a good investment. prices were driven up by new dealers trying to see if they could raise their prices faster than their competition. And this was faily recent history too. This time predated the nwa era by only a handfull of years. IIRC it was 13 or 14 years go when I was tickled pink that the price of camel donga had 'skyrocketed' to 4$/g and I unloaded a large number of complete individuals to Blaine Reed. Not a bad investment for a kid who saved up his lunch money to buy shiney rocks from space while in high school. I will admit that the avalibility of material was less back then. it was no where nearly as easy to pick up a 5kg ureilitie or winonaite then as it is today - but alot of the rare material was still much cheaper back then than
RE: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness
Contra, Stan! you are speaking from that era, when almost nobody was collecting meteorites and there were worldwide 5 dealers, hence no market, the golden age of the 70ies and partially 80ies, when there was so few interest in meteorites, that there wasn't a market at all and the prices even lower than in the 1880ies. You are right, when you're telling, that in the 90ies the prices grew enormously - main factor, I think, was the upcoming internet and with it, the increasing number of collectors. Before almost every collector and every dealer, they all knew eachother in person (but not Martin, the kid). But the development of internet is irreversible, so those times are gone. I'm only 30 - I'm talking about the very tail end of the '80's and the begining of the '90's - only a few years before the nwa boom. there were still plenty of people collecting meteorites back then. Ask Bob Haag. if we are looking at historical price trends it's unfair to simply look at todays prices vs that of the prices seen in the peak of the speculative frenzy for meteorites. Those prices were unsustianable - even with todays increased collector base. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello list, Martin Altmann wrote: Nininger - do there anywhere exist pricelists from him? Not from him, but from Rolf Buhler (former Swiss Meteorite Lab), pricelist February 1990: e.g. : Campo del Cielo 3946 g $ 1524.-- Gibeon 143 g $ 352.-- Imilac 1170 g $ 7200.-- Brenham 101 g $ 1100.-- Pultusk 3 g $ 50.-- Alfianello 10 g $ 65.50 Allende Individuals @ $5 per gram New Sahara finds @ $4.50 per gram Due to an oversupply Millbillillie was reduced to $4.-- per gram Millbillillie slices with two lithologies were $5.70 per gram Zagami, only fragments and powder @ $262.-- per gram Camel Donga, fully crusted individuals @ $4.-- per gram Ensisheim 38.6 g $ 1230.-- Mainz 74.5 g $ 2050.-- Motta di Conti @ $ 8.20 per gram Erxleben @ $ 13.40 per gram Lancon @ $ 7.50 per gram Bacuburito @ $ 2.75 per gram... Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Staan ! The prices of today are uncomparable cheap to any prices in the 200 years lasting history of meteorites. And, they will be gone soon and they never will come back!!! In 5 years you will rant here on the list about the greedy dealers having driven the prices high to nirvana, while most others simply will cry about the paradise lost. If Sahara is over and Oman closed, please Stan, tell me where should similar amounts of meteorites come from? There is only one possibility to get a situation like today in future: If the Antarctic finds would be released to commercialism. We are all so spoiled or to young (i.e. came to meteorites during the recent 5 years in times of the desert rush) to see the obvious. I'm sure, that most who have read my lines will think, that guy is a dealer, that panicking is for sure a gimmick to animate people to buy, as Blood is doing, if he's telling the same, as the Hupes and Farmer are doing, when they are telling Morocco is drying out. Well, we can't force you to be happy, We warned, we adviced.. everything else is up to you. See the prices in 3 years... By!!! Your Ollie PS: I missed in the 80ies the ordinary chondrites sold at 50$/kg I guess... Btw. Chondrites are said to be the most common type, or else: most meteorites are chondrites -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: stan . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Mai 2006 22:08 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness Contra, Stan! you are speaking from that era, when almost nobody was collecting meteorites and there were worldwide 5 dealers, hence no market, the golden age of the 70ies and partially 80ies, when there was so few interest in meteorites, that there wasn't a market at all and the prices even lower than in the 1880ies. You are right, when you're telling, that in the 90ies the prices grew enormously - main factor, I think, was the upcoming internet and with it, the increasing number of collectors. Before almost every collector and every dealer, they all knew eachother in person (but not Martin, the kid). But the development of internet is irreversible, so those times are gone. I'm only 30 - I'm talking about the very tail end of the '80's and the begining of the '90's - only a few years before the nwa boom. there were still plenty of people collecting meteorites back then. Ask Bob Haag. if we are looking at historical price trends it's unfair to simply look at todays prices vs that of the prices seen in the peak of the speculative frenzy for meteorites. Those prices were unsustianable - even with todays increased collector base. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ancient price lists - let's collect them
Great! A new thread is born! Let's do some history and gather together old price lists! Hey Alex, old messie, I'm sure somewhere you still have Reed's old lists? Some Haag lists? I already once converted by the gold price once Cohen's list into actual prices, I guess in one of Michael Blood's old columns it must be preserved. But meanwhile the gold price skyrocket, so it would be more expensive. With the Ward-lists it should be easier, as I'm sure, somewhere must exist inflation tables for the US-$. And I have left 2 compilations. A list with prices of 30 dealers from 1999 and one of 72 dealers from 2001. But first, before I could type them, someone has to buy some stones from me, I'm quite broke after the disaster of inundations in Romania and German customs holds back new material since 6 weeks. Buckleboo! Martin Hehehe, in 2000 average price for Gao-Guenie (26 offerors) wa 3.85$ per gram. Pultusk 43.10$/g. Nantan 1.43$/g (11 dealers). Deport 2$/g. DaG 476 1354$/g (13)... Campo 0.61$/g (17) PS: Buehler was funny. The rarest historical falls he had always much to cheap, the most common stuff to expensive, it is a pity, that the SML doesn't exist anymore. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Peter Marmet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Mai 2006 22:18 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding of consciousness Martin Altmann wrote: Nininger - do there anywhere exist pricelists from him? Not from him, but from Rolf Buhler (former Swiss Meteorite Lab), pricelist February 1990: e.g. : Campo del Cielo 3946 g $ 1524.-- Gibeon 143 g $ 352.-- Imilac 1170 g $ 7200.-- Brenham 101 g $ 1100.-- Pultusk 3 g $ 50.-- Alfianello 10 g $ 65.50 Allende Individuals @ $5 per gram New Sahara finds @ $4.50 per gram Due to an oversupply Millbillillie was reduced to $4.-- per gram Millbillillie slices with two lithologies were $5.70 per gram Zagami, only fragments and powder @ $262.-- per gram Camel Donga, fully crusted individuals @ $4.-- per gram Ensisheim 38.6 g $ 1230.-- Mainz 74.5 g $ 2050.-- Motta di Conti @ $ 8.20 per gram Erxleben @ $ 13.40 per gram Lancon @ $ 7.50 per gram Bacuburito @ $ 2.75 per gram... Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new Quiz
Hi all, a new Quiz : which one is it ? www.austromet.com/CollnPics/xxx_382g_A.jpg Hint: birthday fall of my son Michael ;-) Cheers, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Nothing anymore, cause nobody wanted the stuff or told us, that it is to expensive, we changed our profession. I switched to sell now hematite nodules as galactic energy sources for Feng-Shui designer furnishings, will do business in selling the new uniform horoscopes with all asteroids and I'm working as clown in the ruin of the Space-Park in Bremen. Andi is commuting between province in Japan, where he is a local wrestling hero (Gojira vs. Metajitofurankenstajn)and Tromso, where he works as an extra at the historical Viking open air festival. Stefan took his polishing and grinding devices and opened a studio for cosmetical manicure and finally Marcin is exporting moldavites to glass recycling firms in Germany and Moraskos as scrap-iron to China, because he get's out a better kilo-price as on ebay. Just a joke, but perhaps you may ask Stefan, whether he has smth left from the incredible NWA 2900 or from his strange 3er from the last special. Well a H7 or PAC just is ready, some Acapulco, but only mini-fullslices, Andis strange new iron you saw. A semi-oriented small entire Benguerir (small entire ones are very rare). I have to do now more historical stuff and the micro-thing, to raise funds for filling my cellar with all the Morocco-stuff, which the common collector scorns Meow! Martin Von: David Sukow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Mai 2006 22:31 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause cloudingof consciousness Martin, you're killing me. Quick, man, what can I buy?!? :) I was going to say , don't tell everyone about this, the longer the public remains oblivious to the situation the longer I can afford to collect rare types! OK, enough silly emails from me to you, for a while. I just enjoy your posts very much and feel compelled to reply, at least privately. Buckling under your Boo, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If Sahara is over and Oman closed, please Stan, tell me where should similar amounts of meteorites come from? who says sahara is over? the supply of common material surely is dwindling, but there doesnt seem to be any signifigant change in the supply of rare material. heck look at the two new lunars Mike recently mentioned recovering and the 100kg of achonderites i brought home from tucson this year. PS: I missed in the 80ies the ordinary chondrites sold at 50$/kg I guess... Btw. Chondrites are said to be the most common type, or else: most meteorites are chondrites i will give you that. int he time i am talking about common chonderites were much more expensive than they are today. i am specifically talking about the rare material. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: 20% Off Everything in my Ebay Store... You will be surprised at what you find!
From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:18 PM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: 20% Off Everything in my Ebay Store... You will be surprised at what you find! Hello Everyone, Go to: http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Check out my ebay store, nearly 700 meteorites specimens. Today and tomorrow I will offer 20% off of everything except café press items. Just tell me when your done shopping and I will send invoice or if you know the routine you can deduct 20%, add some $$ for shipping and send me the dough! Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Two unusual eucrites NWA 4396/4397
Dear List, today I would like to introduce another outstanding meteorite. It is a very unusual and interesting polymict eucrite with a very high content in iron. I have not seen an eucrite with such a high iron content yet (exception NWA 4397), in my opinion the iron content is about comparable with some L-chondrites. The matrix is very wild composed of clasts embedded in a fine grained goundmass, also partly extremely metal poor clasts can be observed. NWA 4392 is certaily a very unusual and beautiful achondrite but I will offer some pieces here at a very collector firendly and reasonable price at $12 /gm. Ordinarily you get for this price only material of usual eucrites with a high Tkw. This meteorite is highly recommended, not only for the achondrite collectors. For collectors of unsusual meteorites is NWA 4392 a first choice. At the bottom of the page I have listed also some slices of my new NWA 4397 which is another eucrite very rich in metal. NWA 4397 does not seem to be paired with the NWA 4396. The color of the matrix and the crust is different than NWA 4396 and the metal content is clearly higher. It is definitively the eucrite richest in metal which I have ever seen. One can see a lot of small iron grains in the saw surfaces. http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html Best wishes, Stefan Ralew SR-Meteorites Berlin / Germany Website: www.meteoriten.com Email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new Quiz
Hi Christian, List! It´s a mesosiderite and it is a fall, so it could be: Barea, Dong Ujimqin Qi, Dyarrl Island, Estherville, Lowics, Patwar or Veramin Most of these I haven´t seen by my self since yet, so my first guess was it could be Estherville: but it looks a little bit different! We have to see also, who has posted it to the list. Mmmmhh! I think it´s Lowicz (1935 Mar. 12, 00.52 hrs! Any other thoughts? Ingo --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- Von: Christian Anger [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] new Quiz Datum: Tue, 9 May 2006 22:44:33 +0200 Hi all, a new Quiz : which one is it ? www.austromet.com/CollnPics/xxx_382g_A.jpg Hint: birthday fall of my son Michael ;-) Cheers, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Analog-/ISDN-Nutzer sparen mit GMX SmartSurfer bis zu 70%! Kostenlos downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I think it´s Lowicz (1935 Mar. 12, 00.52 hrs! Can be Lowicz, but I also seen Lowicz with no iron :) so it could be or not. I dont have right now any ideas :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - May 9, 2006
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Re: [meteorite-list] 'Mars' meteorite
Gary K. Foote wrote: It looks more like a huge hematite node. Even its crumbs are magnetic. Pieces from it are flakes, rather than 'chunks'. Hello Gary, I respect that you took the time to actually go see this over-hyped paperweight . This is clearly a rock of igneous origin with minor metamorphism possible. However the likely magnetic component is magnetite for the following reasons. While it is hard to do good ids from photos, Probability-wise this is from a pegmatite which could be local or glacially transported in the same vein(pun intended) as the deposits of Balmat New York or St Lawrence County or even Quebec Canada. The mass looks like a classic actinolite-tremolite-pyroxene group composition along with about 15-20 other minerals. The three which are likely the cause of the magnetic attraction are Chromite(2% chance) or Magnetite (90%chance) and secondary hematite (5%chance). If there is a talc trend (aka soapstone, greesy feel) or any iron sulfates ( brass-colored, metallic flashes aka Pyrite Group) this indicates the mass had some hydrothermal alteration and hematite could be present. In a non perfect world, I know there is some hematite in the mass-the law of probability says so but on the order of less than .001%. The law of probability also says the magnetic attraction is due to magnetite in micro crystals within the mass. Hematite is usually associated with sedimentary deposits but can be found natively in metamorphic and igneous rocks. Actually the composition of this mass has a lot in common with minerals found in meteorites save for the hydrated silicates. The holes are likely from areas that were more hydrated and thus softer than the original pegmatite and therefore were gouged out during rough ice or stream transport--(if not actually human made). There is a long history of mining the magnetite deposits of New England, while else where in on the east coast the desposit of iron are in the from hematite and limonite(bog iron). Be it noted that hematite is no always magnetically attracted. In addition to magnetite, which can be truly magnetic, there are several other minerals that may be attracted to a magnet(anistrophy of magnetic susceptibility(AMS)). http://www.galleries.com/minerals/property/magnetis.htm I am intrigued by the apparent attractiveness of the plant stems on your magnet--any theories? Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 'Mars' meteorite
A simple streak test will ID either.. Magnetite - greasy black or grey streak Hematite - Reddish to rust brown streak On unglazed porcelain. Bill --- Elton Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary K. Foote wrote: It looks more like a huge hematite node. Even its crumbs are magnetic. Pieces from it are flakes, rather than 'chunks'. Hello Gary, I respect that you took the time to actually go see this over-hyped paperweight . This is clearly a rock of igneous origin with minor metamorphism possible. However the likely magnetic component is magnetite for the following reasons. While it is hard to do good ids from photos, Probability-wise this is from a pegmatite which could be local or glacially transported in the same vein(pun intended) as the deposits of Balmat New York or St Lawrence County or even Quebec Canada. The mass looks like a classic actinolite-tremolite-pyroxene group composition along with about 15-20 other minerals. The three which are likely the cause of the magnetic attraction are Chromite(2% chance) or Magnetite (90%chance) and secondary hematite (5%chance). If there is a talc trend (aka soapstone, greesy feel) or any iron sulfates ( brass-colored, metallic flashes aka Pyrite Group) this indicates the mass had some hydrothermal alteration and hematite could be present. In a non perfect world, I know there is some hematite in the mass-the law of probability says so but on the order of less than .001%. The law of probability also says the magnetic attraction is due to magnetite in micro crystals within the mass. Hematite is usually associated with sedimentary deposits but can be found natively in metamorphic and igneous rocks. Actually the composition of this mass has a lot in common with minerals found in meteorites save for the hydrated silicates. The holes are likely from areas that were more hydrated and thus softer than the original pegmatite and therefore were gouged out during rough ice or stream transport--(if not actually human made). There is a long history of mining the magnetite deposits of New England, while else where in on the east coast the desposit of iron are in the from hematite and limonite(bog iron). Be it noted that hematite is no always magnetically attracted. In addition to magnetite, which can be truly magnetic, there are several other minerals that may be attracted to a magnet(anistrophy of magnetic susceptibility(AMS)). http://www.galleries.com/minerals/property/magnetis.htm I am intrigued by the apparent attractiveness of the plant stems on your magnet--any theories? Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.NuggetShooter.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Quintessential Ebay Auctions
Hi Guys ! It has been a while since I got off my rear and listed some auctions. Today was 10 cent listing day so there are 78 auctions with great photos for those interested to look at. Scroll down on this link for a complete list: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ancient price lists - let's collect them
yea , i remeber whenBRAHIN was $25/ g -talk about a loss on investment! glad i did not buy much!Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great!A new thread is born! Let's do some history and gather together old pricelists!Hey Alex, old messie, I'm sure somewhere you still have Reed's old lists?Some Haag lists?I already once converted by the gold price once Cohen's list into actualprices, I guess in one of Michael Blood's old columns it must be preserved.But meanwhile the gold price skyrocket, so it would be more expensive.With the Ward-lists it should be easier, as I'm sure, somewhere must existinflation tables for the US-$.And I have left 2 compilations. A list with prices of 30 dealers from 1999and one of 72 dealers from 2001.But first, before I could type them, someone has to buy some stones from me,I'm quite broke after the disaster of inundations in Romania and Germancustoms holds back new material since 6 weeks.Buckleboo!MartinHehehe, in 2000 average price for Gao-Guenie (26 offerors) wa 3.85$ pergram. Pultusk 43.10$/g. Nantan 1.43$/g (11 dealers). Deport 2$/g. DaG 4761354$/g (13)... Campo 0.61$/g (17)PS: Buehler was funny. The rarest historical falls he had always much tocheap, the most common stuff to expensive, it is a pity, that the SMLdoesn't exist anymore.-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-Von: Peter Marmet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. Mai 2006 22:18An: Martin AltmannBetreff: Re: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] insomnia can cause clouding ofconsciousnessMartin Altmann wrote: Nininger - do there anywhere exist pricelists from him?Not from him, but from Rolf Buhler (former Swiss Meteorite Lab), pricelist February 1990:e.g. :Campo del Cielo 3946 g $ 1524.--Gibeon 143 g $ 352.--Imilac 1170 g $ 7200.--Brenham 101 g $ 1100.--Pultusk 3 g $ 50.--Alfianello 10 g $ 65.50Allende Individuals @ $5 per gramNew Sahara finds @ $4.50 per gramDue to an oversupply Millbillillie was reduced to $4.-- per gramMillbillillie slices with two lithologies were $5.70 per gramZagami, only fragments and powder @ $262.-- per gramCamel Donga, fully crusted individuals @ $4.-- per gramEnsisheim 38.6 g $ 1230.--Mainz 74.5 g $ 2050.--Motta di Conti @ $ 8.20 per gramErxleben @ $ 13.40 per gramLancon @ $ 7.50 per gramBacuburito @ $ 2.75 per gram...Peter__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad- Two unusual eucrites NWA 4396/4397
Dear List, today I would like to introduce another outstanding meteorite. It is a very unusual and interesting polymict eucrite with a very high content in iron. I have not seen an eucrite with such a high iron content yet (exception NWA 4397), in my opinion the iron content is about comparable with some L-chondrites. The matrix is very wild composed of clasts embedded in a fine grained goundmass, also partly extremely metal poor clasts can be observed. NWA 4392 is certaily a very unusual and beautiful achondrite but I will offer some pieces here at a very collector firendly and reasonable price at $12 /gm. Ordinarily you get for this price only material of usual eucrites with a high Tkw. This meteorite is highly recommended, not only for the achondrite collectors. For collectors of unsusual meteorites is NWA 4392 a first choice. At the bottom of the page I have listed also some slices of my new NWA 4397 which is another eucrite very rich in metal. NWA 4397 does not seem to be paired with the NWA 4396. The color of the matrix and the crust is different than NWA 4396 and the metal content is clearly higher. It is definitively the eucrite richest in metal which I have ever seen. One can see a lot of small iron grains in the saw surfaces. http://www.meteoriten.com/special.htmlBest wishes,Stefan RalewSR-MeteoritesBerlin / GermanyWebsite: www.meteoriten.comEmail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange meteorite stories wanted
Dear Chris, List; My favorite he-be je-be story is of my experience with the "Rock Springs" L-6. I hunted meteorites here in SW Wyoming for 5 years. Never found a one. I went to the big Tucson show and pick up a copy of Meteorites A to Z where long time friend Anne Black has signed "to the finder of the next Wyoming meteorite". Even though it was February, my next trip out to hunt meteorites here on the 15 of February, just five days after receiving the book, 45 minutes into my hunt, I find the first new Wyoming meteorite in 56 years, the 13th. to be found in Wyoming. I have now spent the last three years a slave to hunting that area, and other areas and have found nada, zilch, the big ZERO. Witnessing the power of madam president of the IMCA Best, Dave Freeman Rock Springs, WY Next story: How I started a bushy tail and pointy ears after hunting Holbrook with Dave Andrews. chris aubeck wrote: Hi list, If anyone comes across any tales or anecdotes about meteorites with strange properties, bearing mysterious marks or containing strange artifacts, do let me know so I can add them to my archive of meteorite-related lore. Many thanks to those who have helped me in the past. Kind regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Questions and AD - Bilanga
Hello List, As you might have noticed, I now have a lot of great pieces in stock. And getting more. But there is a piece that really surprised me. Take a look at it: http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/jhbilang.htm Have you ever seen a Bilanga looking like that? I mean, there a cute little crystal. It looks just like quartz, but yes, I know, no quartz in meteorites. So what is it? And all that metal, and the brecciation. It is a fragment so there must be other pieces like it out there.Have you see any? The owner, who would rather stay anonymous, bought it right after the fall from ameteorite dealer who has now moved on to other fields. Oh yeah, it is for sale,so that makes it an AD, but I still would like to know more about that weird Bilanga. Anybody? Anne M. Blackwww.IMPACTIKA.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]President, I.M.C.A. Inc.www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Antarctic Meteorites - A couple questions
Hi List, Besides ALH76009, can anyone tell me how many other Antarctic meteorite samples made it on the collectors market before the International Treaty went in to effect? Also, I am trying to find a picture of ALH76009 In Situ or in the lab prior to cutting/sampling. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Many thanks! Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Self-Proclaimed Pairing Issues
My first find (Trilby Wash, AZ) took about 8 months at ASU and still has not shown up in the bulletin although classification info is available at ASU and I was told this was pretty quickly done as busy as they are, all at no cost. I did donate a hefty specimen that is now on display in their very nice collection though.I have since handdelivered what appears to be another possible find from AZ and was told they are even busier now so I expect several months to a year...Gives me time to work the area for more specimens while I wait. Having on lost would be a upset for sure and I take mine in in person.BillNorm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas,Take heart. "Almost a year"? Try never. The lastpiece I sent to UCLA they claim to never have receivedeven though people visiting the lab asked about it andwere told probable preliminary classifications. Nowthey want a second piece?Can anyone help me get the "kick me" sticker off myback?I don't know where the problem might be. US mail? UCLA mailroom? Met lab? I suspect the mail room. "Packages going to this department might have valuablerocks." But that doesn't explain the verbalcommunications suggesting the material was in process.Lesson: if you can find a way, have your materialhand carried into the hands of a respected scientistby someone who can vouch that it was delivered.I am very disheartened by the whole experience.Maybe you get what you pay for. It appears I did.Cheers,Norm http://tektitesource.com--- Thomas Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: List Members, There are a few people who seemingly are able to get meteorites classified in a matter of weeks. I have been waiting for almost a year now and don't even have a number much less a classification. Is this due to the volume supplied by some and the consequent revenue to the institution or what is the reason for the inequity? I would appreciate some answers to the list on this matter. Thank you, Thomas H. Webb __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.NuggetShooter.com Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photos with microscope with a good program
Hello I have few photos with meteorites, but others with minerals: Mayo Belwa, probably enstatite crystal - hard to take photo http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/MayoBelwa2.jpg Bensour, little nodule of troilite http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/BensourTR.jpg Bruderheim, zone at the crust and matrix http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/BruderheimTR.jpg and some minerals... Aragonite, Macrè, Vicenza http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/Aragonite-MagrVicenza.jpg Enargite, Furtei, Sardinia http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/Enargite-FurteiSardegna.jpg Malachite, Cinquevalli, Trento http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/Malachite-CinquevalliTrento.jpg Rodonite, Monte Civillina, Vicenza http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i73/Meteoriteman/RodoniteMonteCivillinaVicenzaTR.jpg Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Matteo; Thanks for giving a look of a microscope that covers the whole field of view when photographed.That is great.Maybe you will post some more pictures occasionally for us to enjoy.Hope so. Best;Herman. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quesations and AD - Bilanga
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello List, As you might have noticed, I now have a lot of great pieces in stock. And getting more. But there is a piece that really surprised me. Take a look at it: http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/jhbilang.htm Have you ever seen a Bilanga looking like that? I mean, there a cute little crystal. It looks just like quartz, but yes, I know, no quartz in meteorites. So what is it? And all that metal, and the brecciation. It is a fragment so there must be other pieces like it out there. Have you see any? The owner, who would rather stay anonymous, bought it right after the fall from a meteorite dealer who has now moved on to other fields. Oh yeah, it is for sale, so that makes it an AD, but I still would like to know more about that weird Bilanga. Anybody? I know only Bob Haag have put a Bilanga slice on ebay days ago with crust and its go sold for $13.7/gr. and not for $54/gr. Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hungary meteorwrong spam
Hello any ogf you have received a email from a hungarian man save to have seen fall this meteorite http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6755/meteorit3wo.jpg He say Luc Labenne have offer many $$$ for this, and its invited to Gifhorn this week from 4-5 dutch meteorite dealers...unfortunately for this person Gifhorn its ended just yesterdaythe piece weight many but its not magnetic, its fall few days ago - where is the crust? - and the brother of this have seen fall the piece fall at 200 mt. from where it is found.wow, that seen Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times - Meteorite Market Trend
blood say Material from NWA, which is definitely on the downswing yes, nice material its under ended, but I have seen just few days ago 2 new pieces of lunar, one of 606 grams and another of 60 grams probably I takeand I have buy some other pieces in arrive to me Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NEW CK5 Starting, LL3.1 and Anomalous Ending Today
Dear List Members, I would like to announce a new CK5, NWA 3155. All 13 specimens I have will be on eBay starting today, Wednesday, May 10th under my eBay seller name, NaturesVault. If this sounds like something you would like, be sure to check back mid-afternoon Florida, USA time. Ending today is my new LL3.1, NWA 2796 and our new Anomalous, NWA 960. Here are the direct links to the Buy it Now auctions for those of you who are interested: NWA 2796 LL3.1 Specimens (only 9 pieces left): 4.9g end cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626927415rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 4.7g complete slice #1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626927742rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 4.7g complete slice #2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626927925rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 4.2g complete slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626928207rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 4g complete slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626928466rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 3.7g complete slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626928840rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 3.4g complete slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626929088rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 3.2g complete slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626929322rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 826mg of pieces http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626935523rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NWA 960 Anomalous Specimens: 15.1g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626951353rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 9.5g end cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626951554rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 5.9g end cut #1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626951624rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 5.9g end cut #2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626951742rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 5.9g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626951843rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 5.5g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952050rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 4.5g end cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952145rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 3g end cut http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952277rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 2.4g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952422rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 2.3g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952542rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 2.27g part slice http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626952648rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NWA 2794 Howardite (Last One) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626976843rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NWA (NWA assignment soon) Brecciated H4 Meteorite 6583g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626938943rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Large unclassified individual (most likely H) 4747g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626937955rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Nice Black Stone (mostly crusted) 1336g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6626938422rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 I have 1kg lots, 10kg lots and individual unclassified Saharans available at discount prices and many of my regular weekly auctions are still at just 99 cents! If you are looking for something rare, beautiful or bargain basement, check out my eBay auctions at NaturesVault, you will most likely find something for your collection. Best regards and thanks for looking, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quesations and AD - Bilanga
Hello All, Anne posted an add for AWESOME piece of Bilanga Hello List, As you might have noticed, I now have a lot of great pieces in stock. And getting more. But there is a piece that really surprised me. Take a look at it: http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/jhbilang.htm Have you ever seen a Bilanga looking like that? I mean, there a cute little crystal. It looks just like quartz, but yes, I know, no quartz in meteorites. So what is it? And all that metal, and the brecciation. It is a fragment so there must be other pieces like it out there. Have you see any? The owner, who would rather stay anonymous, bought it right after the fall from a meteorite dealer who has now moved on to other fields. Oh yeah, it is for sale, so that makes it an AD, but I still would like to know more about that weird Bilanga. Anybody? So of course we were welcomed to a Matteo comment on pricing. I know only Bob Haag have put a Bilanga slice on ebay days ago with crust and its go sold for $13.7/gr. and not for $54/gr. Matteo You are funny Matteo. You complain the market is ruin and then make comments like the above, while you yourself have some of the highest prices on meteorites. Did Haag's piece have nice crust like that? Did Haag's piece have the nice crystal as shown by Anne's great photos? Was Haag's piece over 100 grams (which is something you rarely ever see)? Likely not. That specimen should command a premium. I guess this just goes along with your market in ruin theory. Like you should be able to buy a meteorite like Park Forest for $4.00 a gram, when it was being retailed at $30 a gramand you wanted $50 a gram. Perhaps Martin should repost his price comparison list on what you want and what others want for the same meteorite. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions and AD - Bilanga
In a message dated 5/9/2006 10:57:32 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So of course we were welcomed to a Matteo comment on pricing. Did Haag's piece have nice crust like that? Did Haag's piece have the nice crystal as shown by Anne's great photos? Was Haag's piece over 100 grams (which is something you rarely ever see)? Likely not. That specimen should command a premium. If you want I find pieces of Bilanga over 200 grams and not sure for exaggerated prices. I not seen why the piece have a normaly inclusion of trolite the price have to go up. --- One correction, please! No one has been able to tell me yet what this inclusion is made off. But it has been determined that it certainly is not troilite (thank you Jeff Kuyken) It is not brassy looking, the colors on the pictures are accurate. And it does attract a magnet. _http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/jhbilang.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/jhbilang.htm) And thank you Mark. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
