Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
Hi Anne, BTW, Greg, I got the Gibeon Wave back.:-) I am so glad it went back home, a much better place considering the angry 'waves' in FL. Can't wait to see everyone in Denver. Greg - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia In a message dated 7/13/2006 9:07:13 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anne wrote: And if it could be synthesized, somebody could make a fortune on all of you on the List! Speaking of Denver Death Cookies... isn't the Denver Show just a couple months away?! And as the (in)famous Russian mineral dealer stated a couple years ago, ...I know you... Best regards, Greg --- You are right!, the Denver Show is exactly 2 months away. And I wonder if the Russian team will be coming this year. Do you think those Denver Death Cookies could help you find meteorites? BTW, Greg, I got the Gibeon Wave back.:-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1,78 kg regmaglypted Henbury - AD
Dear friends of the extraordinary, for those of you going for heavy metal NMR currently offers an exhibition piece that would suit every Natural History Museum. The 1.78 kg cosmic intruder has been recovered from the Henbury crater field near Alice Springs in the late seventies and is one of the very few pieces that have been preserved in the condition as found: untreated, uncoated, uncut. The choice cabinet piece is listed on ebay, still at less than 60 Cent/gm, that is not even half of the market value: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=010item=24945989rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 The recent discussion on true brachinites vs. other primitive achondrites in mind I take the liberty to point you to another meteorite which scientists speak of as the missing link between the two groups. The Tafassasset meteorite discovered in the Republic of Niger has been classified in France as Carbonaceous chondrite (equilibrated CR-like meteorite) or primitive achondrite. Other material from the same fall classified at the University of Freiburg / Germany received the classifiacation brachinite like primitive achondrite. The olivine and metal rich 31 gm fullslice currently awaits bidders with a ludicroulsly price of less than 2 USD/gm. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=010item=24948601rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 view at your leisure. Thanks all for your interst. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?)
Bill, It's rather the pointing out of an excellent opportunity for the collectors, which to have missed, may cause regrets. It isn't that easy anymore to find such large Sikhotes, at fairs you will see only a few larger shrapnels, that's all. Franco's two specimens are cheaply priced, Russian ebay-style from 2-3 years ago. And they have the paperwork for export too. The essential difference to an Ad is, that if the pieces will be sold, I won't earn any pence with that sales and as I personally have no need for those pieces, I have no problems to share my competence with the perhaps not yet so experienced collectors, to tell my opinion about the quality and the price of these specimens, because if some of them perhaps are thinking about having once a bigger Sikhote in their collection, but waver, whether to buy now or rather in some years, it might happen, that they later won't find such large chunks anymore or have to pay a remarkably higher price. This list is about meteorites, but also about meteorite collecting. To laud exceptional meteorite specimens, even if they are for sale, or to recognize an outstanding commercial offer of a competitor, should be bad style? I doubt...but if the other list members share your opinion, I will better myself. And if you take it for an Ad, at least the frequency rule isn't hurt. There. But I'm happy also about the feedback about my other posts, which contain not such infamous commercial coercions...;-) Martin, the enthusiast Here a long sold example of a originally crusted Sikhote for your delight: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/Dec1.html Fusion crust on irons illustrated with pics, could be a good and necessary thread on da list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
The samples would be available for the future experiments that anyone might conceive - rather than sitting lost in some dusty drawer...or in a membrane box, decaying away on someone's desk. Quite the contrary to this notion I feel that private collectors CAN and DO serve to protect the science that lies trapped in meteorites. I cant speak for all collectors (although i know othes who do this) but just this week I recived a request from a lab in europe for samples of material in my collection and I'll probably get around to sending them out after the weekend. I even offered to look for specific material they want that I dont have but may be able to aquire. My problem with this whole issue is reading articles like this: Save the space rocks! The meteorites are vanishing and if something isn't done soon, most of Earth's rare space rocks could be gone in a lifetime or so says the University of Arizona's Southwest Meteorite Center, a newly founded organization created to combat what a UA scientist and a private meteorite collector identify as part of the problem: collectors. Samples that have fallen over millions of years are being found and collected over just a few decades. Dealers are buying meteorites at prices the scientific community cannot match and cutting them into small pieces for sale to bidders in a flooded market. In an attempt to save the space stones from becoming slivers, the SWMC will offer collectors, dealers and enthusiasts a fair price to obtain part of the vanishing meteorite legacy. http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/24/wa/SRStoryDetails?ArticleID=12216 That sounds pretty darn anti-private collection and pretty darn pro-'soak up whatever we can' to me. essentially all unusual meteorites get classified. that means type specimins of all the 'good stuff' are being curated already, protecting the scientific legacy. the only thing 'new' about the SWMC is an organization trying to raise major funds to aquire major chunks of what is avalible to the public - above and beyond the simple curation of type specimins. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
*I see no evidence of this quote in the article that you sent a link for. I'd like to know where you found it. Because it wasn't in that article. * http://collectspace.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/003097.html sorry i took the quote from a source that listed that as a source In any case, it's true for the most part. I've seen many unlabeled estate sale specimens up on ebay with no history to speak of, and no useful information to identify them. It's true that many collections are dispersed in a correct fashion at the time of the collectors' deaths, but vast amounts of material are lost as well. a 'vast' amount of material? I'd wager that this is a TINY fraction of all meteorites recovered. A good portion will quite simply be tossed, and you know it. i doubt that. anyone who spends any signifigant sum of money is likely to keep meticulous records, specimin cards, ect. the kids arent likely to toss a thumbnail of rock that has a 200$ price tag on it. especially in this day and age when you can punch up google and see meteorites selling for thousands of $ or more. * Dealers are buying meteorites at prices the scientific community cannot match and cutting them into small pieces for sale to bidders in a flooded market. * Undeniable, in any way, shape, or form. and this helps recover even MORE meteorites. The whole point of what we're doing is to prevent people from cutting every rare meteorite into tiny, little pieces, said Marvin Killgore of Payson, Ariz. = Anti-collector? I think not. I disagree. if we are tlaking about rare stuff, what fraction of collectors can afford anything but 'tiny little pieces'? Why have a tray of tiny bits when one could focus their funds and purchase a single spectacular specimen? If something's worth doing, it should be done well...no brainer in my opinion. Micros fill a human urge to make a collection of something I guess, but it takes some of the fun - and all of the awe - out of collecting. I, for example, find it much more exciting to hold, say, a ten kilo iron, than a few tiny lunar micros, but maybe that's just me. I agree for the most part yet i see nothing wrong with micro collecting. I have much admiration for guys like david weir who tries to get some of every sort of meteorite or Norber Classen who tries to get some of every sort of lunar. My own collecting habits tend towards the large display worthy specimins but quite simply there are not enough of these to go around. Well, they can, but would the University of Arizona do a better job under Marvin's supervision? I think yes, at least more than the average collector. I think they would do an equal job, while still allowing maximum exposure of the public to meteorites. *essentially all unusual meteorites get classified. that means type specimins of all the 'good stuff' are being curated already, protecting the scientific legacy. * Well that's a nice, broad, and untrue statement. Hmmm. I wonder how many carbonaceous, rumuruti, kakangari, and primitive chondrites are sitting in boxes somewhere gathering dust. Very few I'd wager. Hell, ureilites were being discovered in Tucson by the tens of kilos, mixed in with ordinary material and being sold for pennies per gram. tens of KG? i've hurd of 100's of grams here and there buit never 10's of kg's this is a slip up on the part of the people selling meteorites and the SWMC would not stop this from hapening. Furthermore, this U of A program will not simply focus on rare types. It will also need common material - the same stuff you deem worthless still has scientific value...fyi. I never said it is worthless, but i dont think anyone is going to argue that there is some danger of running out of common weathered chondrites for research any time soon. Major chunks, eh? Sounded like they'd take what they could get. their goal is to raise 10 million in 10 years. dont know how much of that is going to go in to buying meteorites, but that kind of money is enough to soak up a very large amount of the neat new stuff comming out of the deserts. Their activities today I dont think are much of a concern for the average collector. their activities if and when they get this kind of funding however would be. Are you saying that it's wrong when a collector buys a main mass and doesn't cut it up to divide it into pieces for all of his fellow collectors? That's what you seem to be implying if it's a rare specimin that is underrepresented in collections then I would say, yes. If I were to find a specimin of a type that is not readily avalible on the market I would cut a portion of it up to offer to collectors - even though my general philosophy is to buy large individuals and remove the smallest amount of material possible to produce a large cut face. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
A very large case of wanting sumpthin-for-nuthin??? Dave F. stan . wrote: The samples would be available for the future experiments that anyone might conceive - rather than sitting lost in some dusty drawer...or in a membrane box, decaying away on someone's desk. Quite the contrary to this notion I feel that private collectors CAN and DO serve to protect the science that lies trapped in meteorites. I cant speak for all collectors (although i know othes who do this) but just this week I recived a request from a lab in europe for samples of material in my collection and I'll probably get around to sending them out after the weekend. I even offered to look for specific material they want that I dont have but may be able to aquire. My problem with this whole issue is reading articles like this: Save the space rocks! The meteorites are vanishing and if something isn't done soon, most of Earth's rare space rocks could be gone in a lifetime or so says the University of Arizona's Southwest Meteorite Center, a newly founded organization created to combat what a UA scientist and a private meteorite collector identify as part of the problem: collectors. Samples that have fallen over millions of years are being found and collected over just a few decades. Dealers are buying meteorites at prices the scientific community cannot match and cutting them into small pieces for sale to bidders in a flooded market. In an attempt to save the space stones from becoming slivers, the SWMC will offer collectors, dealers and enthusiasts a fair price to obtain part of the vanishing meteorite legacy. http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/24/wa/SRStoryDetails?ArticleID=12216 That sounds pretty darn anti-private collection and pretty darn pro-'soak up whatever we can' to me. essentially all unusual meteorites get classified. that means type specimins of all the 'good stuff' are being curated already, protecting the scientific legacy. the only thing 'new' about the SWMC is an organization trying to raise major funds to aquire major chunks of what is avalible to the public - above and beyond the simple curation of type specimins. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?)
Martin, I recommend we wait and see what this beautiful iron is. Your posts are becoming endless infomercials. Bill -- Original message -- From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve, list price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal So I recommend to take Michel Franco's Sikhotes, one is even cheaper and the other one a larger one relatively tooo. And the have all paperwork. Regards! Martin _ Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Schoner Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 23:11 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?) Mark, The reason I keep bringing it up is because you had issued a warning to the list that this might be a meteorwrong after you went out and saw the piece. You did not state your reasons clearly regarding your observations of this specimen. It sure looks like a meteorite to me, and in fact it looks like Sikhote Alin. That was my observation of it based on the photos that the seller provided. Now, if it is a new fall and in fact a meteorite (iron) then the sale price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal. As for cutting this specimen to make a determination, that is no big deal. If is an iron, a simple piece of about 20 grams etched will satisfy the question that you raised to the list. meteorite or meteorwrong As for its origin or site origin that would take other tests, and that is no big deal either. UCLA I am sure would do that determination. Steve Schoner AMS IMCA #4470 ---BeginMessage--- Hi Steve, list price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal So I recommend to take Michel Francos Sikhotes, one is even cheaper and the other one a larger one relatively tooo. And the have all paperwork. Regards! Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Schoner Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 23:11 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?) Mark, The reason I keep bringing it up is because you had issued a warning to the list that this might be a meteorwrong after you went out and saw the piece. You did not state your reasons clearly regarding your observations of this specimen. It sure looks like a meteorite to me, and in fact it looks like Sikhote Alin. That was my observation of it based on the photos that the seller provided. Now, if it is a new fall and in fact a meteorite (iron) then the sale price of $12,500 is a deal indeed. Even a 127 lb Sikhote Alin at that price is a steal. As for cutting this specimen to make a determination, that is no big deal. If is an iron, a simple piece of about 20 grams etched will satisfy the question that you raised to the list. meteorite or meteorwrong As for its origin or site origin that would take other tests, and that is no big deal either. UCLA I am sure would do that determination. Steve Schoner AMS IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message--- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Hello Stan, All, Well no one has to donate anything to get the classification service once the program is up and running...why would you assume that? I'd suggest that if you care at all about such a small and exhaustible resource being expended without regard for future science, that it would be a good idea to support such a noble cause. You'd be donating not just to the University of Arizona, but to future generations of scientists trying to discern (from meteorites) how the solar system formed, and what exactly was happening up there a few billion years ago.The sampleswould be available for the future experiments that anyone might conceive- rather than sitting lost in some dusty drawer...or in a membrane box, decaying away on someone's desk. It's fine by me if you don't care anymore about the reason you probably started collecting - the science, lure of the mysterious, and awe inspiring raw information contained inside each little chip of extraterrestrial matter, but if, by any chance, that spark is still alive inside you, I'd consider giving at least something to this new program, because if successful, it will undoubtedly become the greatest repository of meteorites in the world, and it would be available to science to boot. It's nice to look beyond one's own wallet, not that this would effect that in the least anyways... My .02, Jason On 7/13/06, stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not meant to keep any material from collectors, and is, in fact,aimingto make classification a much faster process, so that instead of waiting formonths to see the results of a find, dealers will have a turnaroundmeasuredin weeks, if not days.or the dealer can just send the stuff to NAU and get the same turn aroundtime right now, without having to donate money to have a new service start up.__Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Hello Stan, All, Well, lets take this apart, eh? Save the space rocks! The meteorites are vanishing and if something isn'tdone soon, most of Earth's rare space rocks could be gone in a lifetime orso says the University of Arizona's Southwest Meteorite Center, a newly founded organization created to combat what a UA scientist and a privatemeteorite collector identify as part of the problem: collectors. I see no evidence of this quote in the article that you sent a link for. I'd like to know where you found it. Because it wasn't in that article. In any case, it's true for the most part. I've seen many unlabeled estate sale specimens up on ebay with no history to speak of, and no useful information to identify them. It's true that many collections are dispersed in a correct fashion at the time of the collectors' deaths, but vast amounts of material are lost as well. Stating that the majority of specimens will be lost within the next generation or so of collectors is pessimistic, I admit, but who's going to go around knocking on collectors' doors as we drop dead in a few years asking to buy our old collections from our relatives...or will they just be thrown out with those damn astronomy magazines and books...? A good portion will quite simply be tossed, and you know it. Samples that have fallen over millions of years are being found and collected overjust a few decades. Also true. Dealers are buying meteorites at prices the scientificcommunity cannot match and cutting them into small pieces for sale tobidders in a flooded market. Undeniable, in any way, shape, or form. In an attempt to save the space stones frombecoming slivers, the SWMC will offer collectors, dealers and enthusiasts afair price to obtain part of the vanishing meteorite legacy. Sounds like a good goal to me...are you disagreeing? And what's your point in bringing up a newspaper article? We all know how accurately they report things...it was most likely over-dramatized to make the problem seem more than it really is - viz., if you think it's not that big of a problem in the first place In any case, if you have concerns about the goals of the project, I'd look for reputable evidence before assuming that it's correct. I've spoken with Marvin several times about the project. Instead of taking a reporter's word for his opinions, you can have his real ones from me, that I heardfirsthand. Furthermore, seeing as he's a collector himself, it seems rather odd that he'd be anti-collecting now...and I know he isn't. Hell, here's a real quote - one that came out of his mouth. The whole point of what we're doing is to prevent people from cutting every rare meteorite into tiny, little pieces, said Marvin Killgore of Payson, Ariz. = Anti-collector? I think not. = Anti-micro-collector? Maybe, but so am I to a degree. Why have a tray of tiny bits when one could focus their funds and purchase a single spectacular specimen? If something's worth doing, it should be done well...no brainer in my opinion.Micros fill a humanurge tomake a collection of something I guess, but it takes some of the fun - and all of the awe - out of collecting. I, for example, find it much more exciting to hold,say, a ten kilo iron, than a few tiny lunar micros, but maybe that's just me. Well, now to get to your message. Quite the contrary to this notion I feel that private collectors CAN and DOserve to protect the science that lies trapped in meteorites. I cant speakfor all collectors (although i know othes who do this) but just this week I recived a request from a lab in europe for samples of material in mycollection and I'll probably get around to sending them out after theweekend. I even offered to look for specific material they want that I dont have but may be able to aquire. Well, they can, but would the University of Arizona doa better jobunder Marvin's supervision? I think yes, at least more than the average collector. Furthermore, the program willallowinstitutionsto cut out the step where they ask a collector for material. They'll simply ask the University of Arizona, who (maybe in exchange for some other material), I'm sure, would be willing to oblige them. essentially all unusual meteorites get classified. that means type speciminsof all the 'good stuff' are being curated already, protecting the scientificlegacy. Well that's a nice, broad, and untrue statement. Hmmm. I wonder how many carbonaceous, rumuruti, kakangari, and primitive chondrites are sitting in boxes somewhere gathering dust. It wasn't a real problem in pre-NWA times, but now that there are plenty of meteorites not only for serious collectors, but also for the casual rock collector or twelve-year-old's desk, I fail to see how you can make such an assertion. Hell, ureilites were being discoveredin Tucson by the tens of kilos, mixed in with ordinary material and being sold for pennies per gram. There's no telling how many were simply lost to the casual person who decided
[meteorite-list] New Horizons: Nine Years to the Ninth Planet, and Counting
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/overview/piPerspectives/piPerspective_current.php The PI's Perspective Nine Years to the Ninth Planet, and Counting Alan Stern July 14, 2006 Today, July 14, we stand precisely nine years from our closest approach date with the ninth planet and her moons. Next week, on July 19, we will celebrate the six-month anniversary of our launch. New Horizons has a long way to go, but we're on our way! It's been six weeks since my last column here, and a lot has taken place. Here's a short list of highlights: * New Horizons successfully conducted an asteroid flyby test of its moving target image motion compensation system (more on that below). * The names we nominated for Pluto's two recently discovered small moons, Nix (the inner one) and Hydra (the outer one), were approved by the International Astronomical Union (IAU). * Continued successful testing of the SWAP and PEPSSI plasma/high energy particle detector suite aboard New Horizons. * Successful beam mapping tests of the REX-High Gain Antenna pattern. * Uploading of an updated (yes, new and improved) release of the onboard fault detection and correction autonomy software that watches over New Horizons. * A spin-up maneuver that took New Horizons out of three-axis attitude control and placed it back in its 5 RPM axial spin to save fuel and place us in a more robust mode for the upcoming flight software loads of August and September. Traveling more than 70,000 kilometers (43,500 miles) per hour, 24x7, New Horizons is now closer to Jupiter than it is to the Sun; check this out at http://www.pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/whereis_nh.php. By the end of July our ship will be passing the distance of Ceres, the largest member of the asteroid belt and a relic of our solar system's planetary formation days. Ceres and Pluto have something important in common: They are both dwarf planets. Ceres is about twice as small and twice as dense as Pluto, the latter because it formed about 10 times closer to the Sun. With the discovery of other dwarf planets in the Kuiper Belt it has become clear that the solar system we once thought of as consisting of four terrestrial planets, four giant planets, and a misfit planet named Pluto isn't that at all. In fact, the solar system appears to contain at least dozens of dwarf planets - perhaps more - quantitative population estimates as high as 1,000 dwarfs can be found in the technical literature. No dwarf planet has - as yet - ever been visited by a spacecraft, but in 2015 that will change dramatically. If all goes well, not only will New Horizons fly by Pluto, but NASA's mission will visit and go into orbit about Ceres as well that year. Together these two missions will revolutionize our knowledge of the dwarf worlds that dominate the planetary census of our solar system. And I'll wager that in the wake of these two explorations, calls for new missions to further investigate the exotic and diverse dwarf planet population of the solar system will be made - after all, the dwarfs hold a wealth of information on the mid-stage of the planet building process. Now I want to briefly recap the encounter of New Horizons with asteroid 2002 JF56, something I wrote about with some anticipation last month, as the planning for this event was taking place. Because the opportunity to fly by this small asteroid came up only in May, our mission and payload operations planning teams had to swing quickly into action. It took long hours of work, but they planned and executed this encounter in just six weeks. On June 11 and 13, observations of 2002 JF56 were made with the Ralph MVIC color camera, MVIC's panchromatic cameras, and Ralph's LEISA infrared imaging spectrometer. image Ralph MVIC imagery of asteroid 2002 JF56 made on June 13, 2006, as New Horizons flew by it at a relative speed of over 70,000 km/hour. As hoped for, the moving asteroid was sharply resolved and stars were smeared as the spacecraft tracked on the position of the moving asteroid. Because we flew far from JF56 - just over 102,000 kilometers (65,000 miles) - we weren't able to return the kind of spectacular images that dedicated asteroid missions do. But we nonetheless measured the color, photometric properties, size, and composition of JF56. And most importantly, as noted above, we proved we could correctly point and shoot at moving targets. The composite of image snippets below shows this, revealing Ralph MVIC images of both JF56 and nearby stars. As you can see, the stars were streaked but JF56 was as steady as we could ever have hoped for. This gives us the warm glow of direct experience to build confidence in our tracking of moving targets for the New Horizons flybys of Jupiter next year, Pluto in 2015, and the Kuiper Belt thereafter. Owing to the great success of this flyby test, I've nominated the name Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Lab to the International Astronomical Union
[meteorite-list] Deep Impact Reveals Comet's Components
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003articleID=000891F1-AEA2-14B6-ABEB83414B7F4945 Deep Impact Reveals Comet's Components David Biello Scientific American July 14, 2006 The Fourth of July last year had some extra fireworks. NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft sent a hefty projectile--more than 800 pounds--into the body of the comet known as Tempel 1. The collision delivered 19 gigajoules of energy--the equivalent of nearly five tons of explosive TNT--into the wandering comet and ejected a plume of its innermost secrets. Roughly 10 million kilograms of comet stuff (more than 22 million pounds) spread out into space, giving scientists a rare glimpse of the ingredients that go into making a comet. Now researchers observing with the Spitzer Space Telescope have revealed their findings: comets contain a mix of materials that formed under widely divergent conditions. Carey Lisse of Johns Hopkins University and his colleagues studied the collision through 12 infrared spectrographs taken by Spitzer from July 2 through July 5. Prior to impact, Tempel 1 displayed the same streaming dust as any other comet, pushed back from the cometary body by the sun's radiation. But after the early-morning impact, Tempel 1 revealed itself to be made of water ice and gas, carbonates, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, silicates, sulfides and other elements. This mix of components does not match current models of comet dust. Some of the minerals detected require temperatures between 1,100 and 1,400 degrees Kelvin--only found as close to the sun as Mercury--as well as volatile gases such as methane that only remain stable at temperatures below 100 K. This means that there must have been some form of mixing over large distances going on in the nebula that gave birth to the sun billions of years ago. The spectra also hint that water must have been abundant in the area where the comet formed and that Tempel 1 is not as carbon-rich as some of its peers; carbon-based materials appear to make up only 20 percent of this comet compared to as much as 50 percent of others. Nevertheless, the material in Tempel 1 matches that ejected by Comet Hale-Bopp in 1995 and that means that these comets formed in broadly similar ways, the researchers argue. Science published the paper analyzing the spectra online yesterday. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:25:35 +0200 From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: AW: [meteorite-list] Adventura del Monte Meteorite (meteorwrong?) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Martin wrote: Bill, It's rather the pointing out of an excellent opportunity for the collectors, which to have missed, may cause regrets. It isn't that easy anymore to find such large Sikhotes, at fairs you will see only a few larger shrapnels, that's all. Franco's two specimens are cheaply priced, Russian ebay-style from 2-3 years ago. And they have the paperwork for export too. The essential difference to an Ad is, that if the pieces will be sold, I won't earn any pence with that sales and as I personally have no need for those pieces, I have no problems to share my competence with the perhaps not yet so experienced collectors, to tell my opinion about the quality and the price of these specimens, because if some of them perhaps are thinking about having once a bigger Sikhote in their collection, but waver, whether to buy now or rather in some years, it might happen, that they later won't find such large chunks anymore or have to pay a remarkably higher price. This list is about meteorites, but also about meteorite collecting. To laud exceptional meteorite specimens, even if they are for sale, or to recognize an outstanding commercial offer of a competitor, should be bad style? I doubt...but if the other list members share your opinion, I will better myself. And if you take it for an Ad, at least the frequency rule isn't hurt. There. But I'm happy also about the feedback about my other posts, which contain not such infamous commercial coercions...;-) Martin, the enthusiast Here a long sold example of a originally crusted Sikhote for your delight: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/Dec1.html Fusion crust on irons illustrated with pics, could be a good and necessary thread on da list. END -- Martin and list, Yes your Sikhote is a very nice original 1947 - 1950 recovered specimen no doubt, (Thanks for posting that pic) But so is the Adventura See http://www.meteoritearticles.com/aventura.html Even if it proves to be a displaced Sikhote, at 127 lbs it is a very nice piece. But if it is a new fall as the ebay seller claimed, then it is extraordinary. No doubt, Mike Fowler got a great deal, and it would be great to hear of the classification results. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:45:12 -0700, you wrote: = Anti-micro-collector? Maybe, but so am I to a degree. Why have a tray of tiny bits when one could focus their funds and purchase a single spectacular specimen? If something's worth doing, it should be done well...no brainer in my opinion. Micros fill a human urge to make a collection of something I guess, but it takes some of the fun - and all of the awe - out of collecting. I, for example, find it much more exciting to hold, say, a ten kilo iron, than a few tiny lunar micros, but maybe that's just me. Wherther that is your intent or not, that position pretty much ends up saying that only those with huge budgets should collect meteorites. If you can't afford a large piece, you shouldn't buy one at all? And if only large, expensive specimens were sold, the list of potential buyers would be much smaller, the number of buys would be much smaller, and there would probably be even fewer sellers than there are today-- and the meteorites that science is getting now would probably still be sitting in the Sahara. Taken as a whole world population, almost nobody cares about science. People care about the technologies developed by science that can improve their standard of living, but almost nobody cares about science just for the sake of learning something. Of the small percentage of people who DO care about scientific subjects, only a small subset of them care about asteroids. And only a small subset of that small subset try to collect pieces of them. I'd guess that roughly 99.99% of the world's population do not give a tinker's damn about the birth of the solar system or about asteroids as long as one isn't about to hit them on the head. So by fighting against meteorite collectors, meteorite scientists would be antagonizing the small group of people who care anything whatsoever about what they are doing. They should realize that almost all of the population of the world as a whole and even of the most educated of countries wouldn't notice or care if all meteorite scientists were fired from their jobs tommorrow. So why concider the TINY number of people who do care what they do to be enemies? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
Hello All, Just a little announcement to let you all know you can now see the faces of Jason and Peter Utas on my Meteorite Frieds Page at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html If your mug ain't up thar, email me a JPG and it soon will be! Best wishes, Michael -- The greater a person's sense of guilt, the greater his or her need to cast blame on others. Anon. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: July 10-13, 2006
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES July 10-13, 2006 o Meroe Dunes (Released 10 July 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060710a o Mamers Vallis (Released 11 July 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060711a o Cerberus Fossae (Released 12 July 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060712a o Arcuate Ridges (Released 13 July 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060713a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another Meteor Explosion Recorded Over Norway
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1388515.ece Meteor explosion recorded over Oslo Fjord area Aftenpoften July 14, 2006 Astronomers were fending off scores of calls on Friday from Norwegians who reported hearing what experts are calling a meteor explosion over southeast Norway, somewhere over the Oslo Fjord area. NORSAR, in Kjeller, has registered a signal from the explosion. Officials at NORSAR and at the University of Oslo said there likely are remnants of the meteor lying on the ground between Gardermoen to the northeast of Oslo and Askim to the southeast. I urge people to search for particles that may have fallen to earth, astronomer Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard told Aftenposten.no. He said the stones would be black and magnetic. Seismologist Johannes Schweitzer was on duty at NORSAR Friday morning, when the meteor is believed to have exploded around 10:15am. He said he got a signal from one of NORSAR's stations about 10 minutes after the explosion. That correlates to information we have had from astronomers, he said. He thinks the meteor explosion was probably somewhat less forceful than the one recorded at NORSAR stations on June 7 in northern Norway. Calls streamed in all day from Strømstad, Sweden in the south to Notodden and Jessheim in the north, placed by people who heard the explosion or saw a flash streaking through the bright blue sky Friday morning. It was said to have been travelling in a north, northwest direction. This sounds extremely exciting, said astronomer Kaare Aksnes of the astro-physics institute at the University of Oslo. He received a call from Stein Kjetil Overrein in Halden, near the Swedish border, who reported seeing a flash hurtling through the sky, and hearing an explosion minutes later. After calling the police, he called Aksnes. E-mailed reports of the incident were also streaming in to the university from all over the Oslo area. It's at least the second meteor incident in Norway in recent weeks. A meteorite was photographed streaking through the light night sky east of Tromsø on June 7, and last week a resident of Stavanger reported finding a meteorite in his yard. The latter report, however, hasn't been confirmed and may have been a hoax. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
You wrote: But why do these people have to mar their wonderful finds with BS like that he dreamed about finding it only a few meters away the night before? That is simply stupid. On page 62 of The Robert Haag Collection of Meteorites, Private Collection Edition, Robert Haag wrote: Great Sand Sea 010. 302 grams total. Howardite achondrite. These five stones were found in one lucky day by the author after a vivid dream the night before. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia
Consetudinary would be: First the stone, then the dream. Gen 10ff And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up... ... And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Juli 2006 18:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Martin Altmann'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] New Meteorites Discovered in Australia You wrote: But why do these people have to mar their wonderful finds with BS like that he dreamed about finding it only a few meters away the night before? That is simply stupid. On page 62 of The Robert Haag Collection of Meteorites, Private Collection Edition, Robert Haag wrote: Great Sand Sea 010. 302 grams total. Howardite achondrite. These five stones were found in one lucky day by the author after a vivid dream the night before. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hayabusha at Itokawa
Thanks Darren, The pictures are truly spectacular. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Hayabusha at Itokawa Not to be confused with Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. As usual, if you want it, you'll need to download it quick as it'll only be there a few days. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/temp/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ad - LA-001 thin sections available
Hello fellow list members. I am offering several thin sections of Los Angeles 001. These are double polished, uncovered, professionally prepared thin sections. The specimen surface area is approximately 11 x 14 mm mounted on polished rectangular glass slides. For those of you requiring a round slide for mounting on a stage in a microprobe the slide can be polished into a round by the thin section maker at no extra charge. These specimens are as affordable as I can make them. Please inquire off list to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Edwin Thompson __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Well, here's a quote from that page...seems as if the writer probably wasn't up to speed on his meteorite-related info I guess..huh. and yet their writter seemed to have a pretty good grasp on the 'sky is falling' tone of the SWMC's press releases / interviews. Hmmm, and how much are you willing to lose? a 'small' amount. if in the bigger picture it helps the overall industry/state of science. it's not like institutional collections ahve never lost any material or made bad choices about it's disposition (grinding up perfectly orientated murchison's for bulk compositional analysis, ect) Well, isn't it odd then, how a new meteorite from New Mexico turns up on ebay with a buy it now of a fraction of what it's worth? No. it's pretty reasonable for someone to sell something that they have no idea of what it is or is worth for substantially less that what it might apear to be worth - if the sum of money they think they might be able to get is substantially enough for their new found hunk of whatever. funnily enough that one didnt make it to the dust bin, did it? (OR maybe the owner saw prices for gibeons and canyon diablos and didnt realize people pay a premium for small american finds) * and this helps recover even MORE meteorites.* Now there's going to be an institution willing to pay for them as well...it still supports the dealers. I fail to see how you're making any sort of a point here. i think i have made the point all along that i would rather the public still be able to buy meteorites. SWMC = less meteorites for the public per their mission statement. Furthermore, to address the accusation the Darren brought against me: that I believe that that only those with huge budgets should collect meteorites. This is untrue. If you read my post thoroughly, you would have known that I would rather have not a collection of irons, but a single one - rather than a collection of micros. Good for you. want a cookie? news flash sport, just cuz you think that way doesnt mean everyone else does. You gunna call up David Weird and Norbert Classen and let them know they shouldnt buy little chips of stuff and instead should save up their money for a new main mass iron? I'm sure they will apreciate the wisdom of your enlightened ways and your ever so graciously pointing out the error of theirs. The prices are all relative...one can have a hundred pieces of this and that or one can wait for the main mass of a new iron and buy that. One would then have a single meteorite in his or her collection, but it would be a spectacular meteorite. It's all a personal choice, not one dictated by money. I dont know many dealers that offer a 'life time' payment plan. Not every meteorite collector out there can just go out and buy a new iron main mass even if they shared your collecting philosophy. Not many 'collectors' would be happy with collecting nothing but a dollar here and a dollar there for 5 or 10 years so they could afford that spectacular new one. Well, I've yet to see too many private collections on public display, but go ahead and prove me wrong. I know of Mark Bostick's and Marvin Killgore's. A small portion of ours will also be up somewhere, as well. Public display isnt the only way a meteorite gets seen. Just about everyone who knows me has held a boulder of 4 vesta in ther hands or a 1/4 lb of mars. how often does that happen in collections that are on public display. Well, prove me wrong and I'll believe you...I've picked diogenites, CV's, CK's, CR's, and several unequilibrated meteorites out of those unclassified bins...so I have no doubt that there are a good few out there. there are a good number of tons of these materials known. what fraction have been saved from unclassified bins? how would SWMC's service help pull rocks out of unclassified bins when they offer a pay service and the whole POINT of an unclassified bin is that dealers dont want to bother to get the rocks classified? Yes, Stan, tens of kilos. I personally saw four 1+kilo pieces that were parts of a single, broken up stone, as well as two other pieces that fit together to make a 3+kg fragment. I'm not entirely sure about how much more there was, but the four fragments that fit together looked as if they'd been very recently broken - as if in transit, and there were still several very freshly broken faces without fragments to fit onto them when it was reassembled. To whom those were sold to, I cannot guess. And I only saw a small portion of the show in the weekend that I was there. Who knows how much more went undiscovered or sold for next to nothing... are you talking about this last tucson? I think somoene was pulling your leg. there was a aprox 7kg ureilite that was offered out of morocco for some time with no takers. I belive Martin made an offering to the list about it. When it could not sell whole the owner broke it up and left the material
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE
Hello Stan and Jason, Jason has eloquently convinced me that my virtually complete systematic collection, which I have put together over the past 23 years, would be better utilized for science by my selling it to SWMC. I presume that my collection will be better accessible to scientific as well as public interests through SWMC rather than by its continued exhibition on my meteoritestudies.com website - along with those boring comments I keep writing. Therefore, I will take offers from SWMC for its sale and safe-keeping, forever guarding it against further destruction into tiny bits. Although the level of scientific scrutiny that is undertaken today is on the nanometer scale, I agree with Jason that these objects must be kept intact at all costs. I will entertain offers from SWMC for my entire collection, and I will go back to the study of plants. (serious offers only please.) Regards, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 15, 2006
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[meteorite-list] AD: Thin Sections, Festival Cancel Items
Hello Everyone, A few items to tempt you. I had a few pamphlets, programs and postcards canceled at the 2006 Meteorite Festival. Only 3-4 programs. A pamphlet and program is listed below and ends tomorrow. It is my hope that sales from the cancelled items cover my cost of going to the event and everything. 2006 Kansas Meteorite Festival Canceled Event Pamphlet http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=35900815 2006 Kansas Meteorite Festival Canceled Event Program http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=35905144 And some thin sections. These thin sections were made by the same people that NAU uses, I am sure some of you recognize the labels. They are all high quality and for the most part, thin sections that have not been offered. Funds from the thin sections will go the Kansas Meteorite Society fund, not that we the Red Cross, but we have been pretty busy lately so your interest is appreciated. The first is Essex. I wrote a little article on Essex for the May 2004 Meteorite Times shown here, http://www.meteoritearticles.com/Essex.html Then I also helped the finder sell a couple slices, but he turned down my offer for the stone. He did however, as thanks, make my a necklace of the meteorite. The first in a collection of meteorite necklaces made by the finder that I own. About a year later (?). I got a phone call and purchased the stone. While we (Kansas Meteorite Society) still owns the main mass, we will likely cut it soon for a museum trade. Essex California H5 Meteorite Thin Section http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=37810457 The Wild Horse we purchased from a list member, who's well known meteorite hunting family got from the finder. I was amazed how nice the chondrules are on this H5. I showed some images of the meteorite to Jack Murphy noting such and he suggested I send a piece to Rubin. It was a while before we cut the stone, but we did end up sending Rubin a thin section and a small part slice. The chondrules are so nice I was hoping it was an H3.9 or the like, but figured it had to be min. an H4. Rubin agreed, H4. I forwarded the information to Jack Murphy a year or so ago, who is working on a Colorado meteorite catalog, so I imagine he will include a note in the book when published. Wild Horse, Colorado H5 Meteorite Thin Section - SEE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290008051867 The Wichita meteorite. I could type quiet a bit on this stone. Those casually reading this would likely prefer I just give a link to my Meteorite Times article. So I will. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/wichitaexperience.html A free Wichita meteorite postcard comes with this auction. Wichita, Kansas Meteorite Thin Section + Postcard http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=37812073 I don't think I have to tell anyone on the list about the Gold Basin meteorite. How about I offer a free postcard if a list member purchases the thin section. And reminds me...:^) Gold Basin L4 Meteorite Thin Section, High Quality http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290008050504 Over 1400 auctions running. http://stores.ebay.com/MeteoriteArticles Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 15, 2006
Beauty! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 15, 2006 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_15.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
