Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Many thanks Martin, Andreas and Stefan for sharing the information with us. I hope that you are not too much disapointed and that at least you had fun! You made a very good report and I wish a long 'life' to your CHALDNI'S HEIRS Kind regards, Frederic - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report Collectors, enthusiasts, list! The searching delegation of Chladni's Heirs* just returned from a 6-days-trip in Norway on the hunt for the new fall. We set up a little website with an illustrated report: http://www.meteoriten.com/norway.html *Chladni's Heirs was planned to be officially launched after a summer break, now with this actual event you will already got to know our brand's name. Chladni's Heirs is an amalgamation of your (hopefully soon) preferred meteorite dealers: Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren Martin Altmann founded for the purpose to bundle their strengths to serve the collectors even better than before, to assist them in all concerns more accurate and faster and to offer them the enlarged and full palette of meteorites: irons, rare and aesthetic common desert types, historic finds and falls at best quality and competitive prices. Although the official launch will be dated later, we already accept congratulations :-) Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs will take part in the Tucson show 2007 And now we sing: There's a mineral shop down our street, It's run by a German, And they sells good things to collect, But you should hear him speak, When you ask him anything, Never answers No, He just yesses you to death, And as he takes your dough he tells you: Refrain: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! Things were going well with him, He wrote home to say, Send me Patrick and Peter and Jim, I need them right away, When he got them in the shop, There was fun, you bet, 'Cause when you asked them anything, They answered in quartet: Oh, And now all together: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Black inclusions in NWA R-Chondrites?
Thanks to everyone who replied both on and off-list regarding the Rumuruti chondrites and their black inclusions. I will update the my page over the next week or two with the info. Thanks again, Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Black inclusions in NWA R-Chondrites? Hi Jeff and List, I'm hoping someone may know of an abstract/personal/web info on the black (xenolithic?) inclusions found in some of the NWA R-Chondrites? Any info would be appreciated either on or off-list. Here is an example: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa2921.html Beautiful specimen with a very conspicuous, large, dark clast and another equally large but light greyish-brown clast set in a medium-gray matrix (this light-dark structure is typical of regolith breccias). As for the black inclusion, I don't think it is xenolithic. It represents unequilibrated material of low(er) petrologic type. Hence all those tiny chondrules set in a dark matrix that resembles that of carbonaceous chon- drites. The light- to medium-colored matrix areas show only few chondrules and/or chondrule relics and thus correspond to petrologic types 5 or 6. The dark, chondrule-rich clasts are unequilibrated and correspond to type 3.x (about 3.8 some sources say). But: the dark clasts are NOT carbonaceous but are due to the dispersion of tiny grains of sulfides and Cr-spinels, which causes silicate darkening. My beautiful NWA 3098 (R5) and my latest addition, NWA 2943 (R3-6), which is still in San Diego with Cap'n Blood, also show these dark, unequilibrated clasts. But, whereas my NWA 3098 from Stefan clearly shows chondrule-poor, light clasts and a few small but chondrule-rich dark clasts (see JPEGs in my private mail to you), the NWA 2943 from Michael Blood has an overall higher abundance of chondrules - the chondrules are more evenly distributed. throughout the busy matrix. Best wishes, Bernd Here are some useful references: BLAND P. et al. (1992a) A unique type 4 chondrite from the Sahara - Acfer 217 (abs. Meteoritics 27, 1992, 204-205). BISCHOFF A. et al. (1994a) Acfer 217 - a new member of the Rumuruti chondrite group (Meteoritics 29, 264-274). DIXON E.T. et al. (2003) 39Ar-40Ar chronology of R chondrites (MAPS 38-3, 2003, pp. 341-355). JACKEL A. et al. (1996) DaG 013 - A new Saharan Rumuruti- chondrite (R3-6) with highly unequilibrated (Type 3) fragments (abs. Lun.Plan. Sci. 27, 595-596). BISCHOFF A. (2000) Mineralogical characterization of primitive, type-3 lithologies in Rumuruti chondrites (MAPS 35-4, 200, pp. 699-706). BISCHOFF A. et al. (2001) Mineralogy, Chemistry, and noble gases of the unpaired Rumuruti chondrites NWA 753 and NWA 755 (MAPS 36-9, 2001, A021). LINGEMANN C.M. et al. (2000) Rumuruti chondrites: Origin and evolution of primitive components (MAPS 35-5, 2000, A098). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Enjoyed reading the field report, and hals und beinbruch to the Chladni Heirs... - Marco :-) - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] private website http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek DMS website http://www.dmsweb.org - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Hello list and Chladni's Heirs, Thanks for your report Martin. Nice to see you hunters showing respect to the landowners. A big shame on you to the previous hunters that were not. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report Collectors, enthusiasts, list! The searching delegation of Chladni's Heirs* just returned from a 6-days-trip in Norway on the hunt for the new fall. We set up a little website with an illustrated report: http://www.meteoriten.com/norway.html *Chladni's Heirs was planned to be officially launched after a summer break, now with this actual event you will already got to know our brand's name. Chladni's Heirs is an amalgamation of your (hopefully soon) preferred meteorite dealers: Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren Martin Altmann founded for the purpose to bundle their strengths to serve the collectors even better than before, to assist them in all concerns more accurate and faster and to offer them the enlarged and full palette of meteorites: irons, rare and aesthetic common desert types, historic finds and falls at best quality and competitive prices. Although the official launch will be dated later, we already accept congratulations :-) Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs will take part in the Tucson show 2007 And now we sing: There's a mineral shop down our street, It's run by a German, And they sells good things to collect, But you should hear him speak, When you ask him anything, Never answers No, He just yesses you to death, And as he takes your dough he tells you: Refrain: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! Things were going well with him, He wrote home to say, Send me Patrick and Peter and Jim, I need them right away, When he got them in the shop, There was fun, you bet, 'Cause when you asked them anything, They answered in quartet: Oh, And now all together: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Check out the price per gram on this lunar meteorite!
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[meteorite-list] Check out the price per gram on this lunar meteorite!
These huge white areas are undoubtedly anorthositic and the angular glassy clasts set in this groundmass point to an volcanologically active area on the Moon with busy touristic activity! Bernd :-)) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Going Out With A Bang (SMART-1)
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0607/24smart1/ Going out with a bang Lunar orbiter to impact BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW July 24, 2006 A pioneering space probe has set a course for a dramatic end to its three-year mission in September, when it will collide with the Moon in a spectacular send-off for scientists to learn new information about the lunar surface. The innovative SMART-1 technology demonstrator is about to wrap up a highly successful mission testing a range of new spacecraft concepts and systems for potential use in the future. The Swedish-built craft also conducted a broad science program using an array of instruments. The end will come with a fiery crash into the Moon's nearside at about 0541 GMT (1:41 a.m. EDT) on September 3, according to the best data now available. This time is only certain within seven hours. The exact timing of the impact will slightly change as the probe's orbit evolves in several upcoming trim maneuvers designed to fine-tune the craft's approach. Five such burns are planned for July 27, July 28, August 25, and on the final two days before SMART-1 hits the surface. Scientists' best guess on the impact site puts it in the Moon's mid-southern latitudes in a region known as the Lake of Excellence. The location is believed to be of mostly volcanic origin and areas of highlands and hills are also nearby. The area is also known as Lacus Excellentiae in Latin. At the time of impact, the Lake of Excellence will be shrouded in darkness - only slightly illuminated by light from the Earth in a phenomenon called earthshine. The boundary between bright sunshine and nighttime on the Moon will be located not far away, possibly allowing material blown above the surface to reach altitudes high enough to be lit by sunlight. Ground controllers in Germany had to command a two-week series of thruster firings to raise the low point of SMART-1's trek around the Moon to push back the inevitable crash from about August 17 to the current date of September 3. The plan also brought the forecasted impact site into the direct view of scientists on the ground. If left undisturbed, the 630-pound probe would have smacked into the far side of the Moon facing away from Earth. The set of orbit-raising maneuvers began June 19 and ended on July 2 - about five days ahead of schedule. Astronomers at observatories across the globe plan to try to see the plume of debris ejected high above the lunar surface as SMART-1 drives into the Moon. Organized groups at the European Southern Observatory in Chile, Kitt Peak in Arizona, telescopes in Hawaii, and other locations will attempt to spot the impact and its aftermath The most favorable position for observing an on-time impact will be in North and South America and Hawaii. There, the quarter Moon will be high in the sky for prime viewing. Larger telescopes could detect a flash at the moment of impact due to vaporized hydrazine fuel. A few minutes later, dust and rocks thrown high above the Moon might be seen. If the debris reaches an altitude of over 12 miles, it could be lit by sunlight. If so, amateur astronomers with smaller backyard telescopes could see the dust cloud backdropped by the darker lunar surface. We are calling upon astronomical observatories and amateurs worldwide to participate in a coordinated observation effort with SMART-1, including the final orbits until impact, said European Space Agency SMART-1 project scientist Bernard Foing. Instruments to be operating during SMART-1's final hours include an infrared spectrometer, an X-ray spectrometer, and a tiny camera to take pictures of the Moon as the spacecraft passes near the surface. The material propelled into sunlight will be closely analyzed to determine details such as its mineral composition and physical properties. Some of the debris could be excavated from underground during SMART-1's crash, so scientists are especially interested in learning about the sub-surface of the Moon. During SMART-1's final orbits, the spacecraft should be speeding just a few miles above the lunar surface. Accurate predictions of the expected impact time and location are hard to produce because of unknown variations in topography along the probe's trajectory over the Moon. Officials say an unexpected mountain or cliff could cause the craft to crash earlier than anticipated. By early September, SMART-1 will complete one orbit of the Moon about every five hours. With each orbit's closest approach to the surface, the probe will slowly descend further. Two low passes before the most likely impact time are also being closely watched in case SMART-1 hits the Moon early. If the spacecraft strikes the Moon at 0037 GMT, observers in South America and the Canary Islands will garner the best view of the event. One orbit earlier - at 1933 GMT on September 2 - astronomers based in Europe and Africa will have the best chance to view the crash. At first contact, engineers believe SMART-1 will gently
[meteorite-list] SMART-1 Image: Lomonosov - A Large Crater Filled By Lava
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM1R6BUQPE_index_0.html Lomonosov - a large crater filled by lava SMART-1 European Space Agency 25 July 2006 This image, taken by the advanced Moon Imaging Experiment (AMIE) on board ESA's SMART-1 spacecraft, shows crater Lomonosov on the Moon's far side. AMIE obtained the image on 30 January 2006 from a distance of about 2100 kilometres from the surface, with a ground resolution of 190 metres per pixel. The imaged area is centred at a latitude of 27.8º North and a longitude of 98.6º East. Crater Lomonosov is a nice example for a large crater (92 kilometres in diameter) which was filled by lava after the impact, thus exhibiting a flat floor. The terraced walls indicate 'slumping', that is sliding of the rocks downwards due to gravity after the end of the impact. The small craters inside Lomonosov are the result of impacts into this lava floor which happened after the formation of Lomonosov. Looking closely to the left half of the crater, one can see changes in the brightness of the crater floor, resembling horizontal paint strokes. These can be seen frequently in this area of the Moon and are ejecta deposits of the young crater Giordano Bruno which is at about 300 kilometres distance. The crater is named in honor of Mikhail Vassilievitch Lomonossov, a Russian physicist (1711 - 1765). He was professor of physics at Saint Petersburg university and devoted his live to the study of the properties of matter and electricity. For more information Jean-Luc Josset, SPACE-X Space Exploration Institute Email: jean-luc.josset @ space-x.ch Bernard H. Foing, ESA SMART-1 Project Scientist Email: bernard.foing @ esa.int __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs
Congrat´s from Austria ! Chladni´s Heirs short : SAM for S tefan, A ndi, M artin to bundle their strengths to serve the collectors that´s a motto! All the best for the german task force ;) Stefan Collectors, enthusiasts, list! The searching delegation of Chladni's Heirs* just returned from a 6-days-trip in Norway on the hunt for the new fall. We set up a little website with an illustrated report: http://www.meteoriten.com/norway.html *Chladni's Heirs was planned to be officially launched after a summer break, now with this actual event you will already got to know our brand's name. Chladni's Heirs is an amalgamation of your (hopefully soon) preferred meteorite dealers: Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren Martin Altmann founded for the purpose to bundle their strengths to serve the collectors even better than before, to assist them in all concerns more accurate and faster and to offer them the enlarged and full palette of meteorites: irons, rare and aesthetic common desert types, historic finds and falls at best quality and competitive prices. Although the official launch will be dated later, we already accept congratulations :-) Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs will take part in the Tucson show 2007 And now we sing: There's a mineral shop down our street, It's run by a German, And they sells good things to collect, But you should hear him speak, When you ask him anything, Never answers No, He just yesses you to death, And as he takes your dough he tells you: Refrain: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! Things were going well with him, He wrote home to say, Send me Patrick and Peter and Jim, I need them right away, When he got them in the shop, There was fun, you bet, 'Cause when you asked them anything, They answered in quartet: Oh, And now all together: Yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today. We've chondrites, and onions, rumurutis and eucrites And all kind of stones, and say, We have an old fashioned Gibeon Moroccan potato, But yes! We have no martians, We have no martians today! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs
Chladni's Heirs short: SAM I was just wondering if Uncle SAM is amused about such activities ;-) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lomonosov Crater
Beautiful crater! It looks like a combination of craters Copernicus, Tycho and Plato. A little bit of everything: - the terraced walls and slumping of Tycho and Copernicus - the smooth crater floor of Plato .. scientifically a very interesting lunar feature! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
Indeed, thank you very much for sharing; for the benefit of those of us who can't go forth and search more than a short drive from our homes. It seems that this fall will be carbonaceous. Aside from Allende, Tagish, and the CR2 that has been scooped in multiple pieces from Saharan sands, don't they seem to mostly fall in clumps of only a few stones? Given this (and the nature of the fall location) I'm not surprised more was not found. Did anyone offer to ransack the street sweeper's collection bin? :) Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SMART-1 Image: Lomonosov - A Large Crater Filled By Lava
Hi - While the Moon lacks an atmosphere, which is required for an airblast, isn't it more likely that what we're seeing here is impact glass rather than lava? I can't see how lava would pool at such a shallow depth, given that the Moon's core hsa been cooled for some billions of years now. I suppose we'll just have to wait for the Chinese rover's results in 2018. good hunting, Ed --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM1R6BUQPE_index_0.html Lomonosov - a large crater filled by lava SMART-1 European Space Agency 25 July 2006 This image, taken by the advanced Moon Imaging Experiment (AMIE) on board ESA's SMART-1 spacecraft, shows crater Lomonosov on the Moon's far side. AMIE obtained the image on 30 January 2006 from a distance of about 2100 kilometres from the surface, with a ground resolution of 190 metres per pixel. The imaged area is centred at a latitude of 27.8º North and a longitude of 98.6º East. Crater Lomonosov is a nice example for a large crater (92 kilometres in diameter) which was filled by lava after the impact, thus exhibiting a flat floor. The terraced walls indicate 'slumping', that is sliding of the rocks downwards due to gravity after the end of the impact. The small craters inside Lomonosov are the result of impacts into this lava floor which happened after the formation of Lomonosov. Looking closely to the left half of the crater, one can see changes in the brightness of the crater floor, resembling horizontal paint strokes. These can be seen frequently in this area of the Moon and are ejecta deposits of the young crater Giordano Bruno which is at about 300 kilometres distance. The crater is named in honor of Mikhail Vassilievitch Lomonossov, a Russian physicist (1711 - 1765). He was professor of physics at Saint Petersburg university and devoted his live to the study of the properties of matter and electricity. For more information Jean-Luc Josset, SPACE-X Space Exploration Institute Email: jean-luc.josset @ space-x.ch Bernard H. Foing, ESA SMART-1 Project Scientist Email: bernard.foing @ esa.int __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report + clumps of only a few stones
Tracy wrote: ...don't they seem to mostly fall in clumps of only a few stones? Al Rais (CR2): A total weight of 160g fell near the city of Medina Alais (CI): 2 stones, of about 4 and 2 kg respectively, fell Banten (CM2): Four individuals, totalling 629g, were recovered Bells (CM2): 6 fragments picked up Boriskino (CM2): 2 stones recovered, 1165.6g together, 3 others destroyed Crescent (CM2): Two stones were found, 72.7 g + 5.7 g Erakot (CM2): One stone of 113g was recovered Felix(CO3.3): a stone of about 7 lb was found Haripura (CM2): a stone fell and broke into 2 pieces Ivuna (CI): Two or three stones fell at Ivuna Kaba (CV3): a stone of about 3 kg was found Kaidun (CR): a single mass of 841.6g recovered from small impact pit Kobe (CK4): one stone was recovered ... the total mass is 136 g Mighei (CM2): a stone of over 8 kg was seen to fall Mokoia (CV3): several stones seen to fall, 2 of about 5lb each recovered Nawapali (CM2): 3 stones appear to have fallen but only 3 small fragments of about 30g, 20g and 10g preserved Ningqiang (CK3): a single stone, in 4 fragments of total weight 4.6 kg Nogoya (CM2): a stone of about 4 kg fell Orgueil (CI): about 20 stones Ornans (CO3.4): a stone of about 6 kg fell and broke into two pieces Pollen (CM2): a stone of 253.6g fell on the Pollen farm Revelstoke (CI): search yielded 2 small fragments, together about 1 g Sayama (CM2): a 430 gr stone was found Tonk (CI): shower of small stones; a total weight of 7.7 g collected Vigarano (CV3.3): 11.5 kg and 4.5 kg Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs
Bernd wrote: Chladni's Heirs short: SAM I was just wondering if Uncle SAM is amused about such activities ;-) Bernd Then again: qualified competition imo is good and healthy competition! And rest assured they are even more than simply qualified when it gets down to knowledge about meteorites and customer support. If you have ever dealt with any one of the guys individually, just as I did, you know what it means when they are bundling their efforts right now... So, uncle SAM, don´t worry, be happy! :-) Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bessey specks for young people
Hi all - I don't know why I'm bringing this up now (with some 300 messages yet to go through from the last several weeks), but the thought is striking me that Bessey Specks make good gifts for young people. Given that, how do you think they should be packaged? What prices? Since I've been away from the list for the last several years, I don't know what Moon and Mars materials were recovered during that time, or how they were prepared. (my report on fire starting and thanks to Piper Hollier for the Canyon Diablo will be along shortly) good hunting, Ed __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lahoma Meteorite
Michael Cottingham wrote: 1. one very pretty meteorite 2. superb slices 3. L5 beauty 4. jade-green matrix 5. loads of metal 6. dark inclusions 7. very sweet meteorite I concur and because I do I couldn't help buying three of these pretty, jade-green, metal-rich (one of my specimens has a very impressive oval FeNi/troilite inclusion), shock-veined beauties featuring conspicuous dark inclusions. It was kept in a farmer's front yard for 35 years. I am looking forward to meeting them in person! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tales of strange meteorites wanted
Hi list, If anyone comes across any claims or anecdotes about meteorites with strange properties, bearing mysterious marks or containing strange artifacts, do let me know so I can add them to my archive of meteorite-related lore. Many thanks to those who have helped me in the past with this ongoing project. Kind regards, Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 26, 2006
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[meteorite-list] Iron Meteorites as the Not-So-Distant Cousins of Earth
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/July06/asteroidGatecrashers.html Iron Meteorites as the Not-So-Distant Cousins of Earth Planetary Science Research Discoveries July 21, 2006 --- Numerical simulations suggest that some iron meteorites are fragments of the long lost precursor material that formed the Earth and other terrestrial planets. Written by William F. Bottke (Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, CO) and Linda M. V. Martel (Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology) Iron meteorites are fragments from the cores of small differentiated asteroids (20-200 kilometers in diameter) that formed very early in Solar System history. They are commonly assumed to have originated in the same region as most stony meteorite parent bodies, namely the main asteroid belt located between Mars and Jupiter. A new paper in the journal Nature by William Bottke, David Nesvorný, and Robert Grimm (Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado) along with Alessandro Morbidelli and David O'Brien (Observatoire de la Cote d'Azure, Nice, France), however, finds that the iron meteorites may have come from a different and possibly much more intriguing place. According to their numerical simulations that tracked the dynamical evolution of Moon- to Mars-sized planetary embryos interacting with tens of thousands of test bodies during the first 10 million years of Solar System evolution, many iron meteorite parent bodies formed and fragmented in the same region where Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars are found today. The fast accretion times of planetesimals in this zone allowed heat produced by the decay of short-lived radioactive isotopes like 26Al to melt and differentiate many of these objects into core, mantle, and crust. At the same time, gravitational interactions with planetary embryos increased their mutual impact velocities, enough that these planetesimals broke apart when they struck one another. The net result was the production of millions of fragments continually jostled about by planetary embryos. Over millions of years, a small fraction of this differentiated debris was scattered into the innermost region of the main belt, where it then stayed for billions of years until chance collisional and dynamical events sent it on a crash course to Earth. Bottke and colleagues' prediction of these asteroid main belt gatecrashers could mean that some of the iron meteorites we hold in our hands today are pieces of the same precursor fabric that formed the Earth and other terrestrial planets. Reference: * Bottke, W. F., D. Nesvorný, R. E. Grimm, A. Morbidelli, and D. P. O'Brien (2006) Iron Meteorites as Remnants of Planetesimals Formed in the Terrestrial Planet Region. Nature, v. 439, p. 821-824. [pdf link http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~bottke/Reprints/Reprints.html opens in a new window] The Story Told by Iron Meteorites and Main Belt Asteroids Numerical simulations have demonstrated that most of the stony and iron meteorites found today in worldwide collections came from asteroids in the main belt. For this reason, it is often taken as a given that their parent bodies formed there as well. This assumption, while reasonable for many meteorite types, does not do a very satisfying job of explaining the origin of the iron meteorites. Most irons are pieces of the cores of distinct, small (20 to 200 kilometer-diameter) differentiated asteroids. We know this from chemical, petrographic (mineralogical and textural), and cooling rate studies of iron meteorites performed in laboratories. Very few irons are thought to be impact melts or fragments from a few, larger (500 kilometer-diameter) differentiated bodies. [showing differentiation http://www.mnh.si.edu/earth/text/5_1_4_0.html] This series of graphics from the Smithsonian depicts the process of differentiation. Pictured left to right: Dust and grains clump together until a small body forms. The growing body heats up inside and begins to melt. Dense molten metal pools and sinks towards the center core of the body. Less dense silicate liquid, or magma, rises towards the surface, leaving dense residues of solid minerals in the mantle. The result is a differentiated body with a core, mantle, and crust. [Click image to view the source page.] The fact that we have iron core fragments attests to the powerful collisions that repeatedly shattered their parent bodies during the early history of our Solar System. In our meteorite collections today, irons represent over two-thirds of the unique parent bodies sampled among all meteorites. This large percentage would suggest that differentiated parent bodies and their fragments are common in the main asteroid belt. The problem is there is little observational evidence to support this idea, and it's not for lack of looking. Despite intense searches with telescopes equipped with cameras and spectrographs, the only clearly intact
[meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report + clumps of only a few stones
Humm... How about Kainsaz... Over 200 kg of CO 3's ? And seeing that this fall in Norway is 5 km between the largest and smallest stone with one other reportedly heard but not recovered in Moss indicates a strewnfield. I doubt that 200 kg fell, however I would not be surprised if many more will turn up between the ones so far recovered. Once the Norwegians get back from their Summer vacations and look through their gardens, who knows what they might find. Steve Schoner IMCA# 4470 Tracy wrote: "...don't they seem to mostly fall in clumps of only a few stones?" Al Rais (CR2): A total weight of 160g fell near the city of Medina Alais (CI): 2 stones, of about 4 and 2 kg respectively, fell Banten (CM2): Four individuals, totalling 629g, were recovered Bells (CM2): 6 fragments picked up Boriskino (CM2): 2 stones recovered, 1165.6g together, 3 others destroyed Crescent (CM2): Two stones were found, 72.7 g + 5.7 g Erakot (CM2): One stone of 113g was recovered Felix(CO3.3): a stone of about 7 lb was found Haripura (CM2): a stone fell and broke into 2 pieces Ivuna (CI): Two or three stones fell at Ivuna Kaba (CV3): a stone of about 3 kg was found Kaidun (CR): a single mass of 841.6g recovered from small impact pit Kobe (CK4): one stone was recovered ... the total mass is 136 g Mighei (CM2): a stone of over 8 kg was seen to fall Mokoia (CV3): several stones seen to fall, 2 of about 5lb each recovered Nawapali (CM2): 3 stones appear to have fallen but only 3 small fragments of about 30g, 20g and 10g preserved Ningqiang (CK3): a single stone, in 4 fragments of total weight 4.6 kg Nogoya (CM2): a stone of about 4 kg fell Orgueil (CI): about 20 stones Ornans (CO3.4): a stone of about 6 kg fell and broke into two pieces Pollen (CM2): a stone of 253.6g fell on the Pollen farm Revelstoke (CI): search yielded 2 small fragments, together about 1 g Sayama (CM2): a 430 gr stone was found Tonk (CI): shower of small stones; a total weight of 7.7 g collected Vigarano (CV3.3): 11.5 kg and 4.5 kg Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report
I hope the lyrics of this song prove to be inapplicable. It's a good choice nonetheless. Bill -- Original message -- From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Moni, if they won't behave, like that European team from a country starting with P trampling through the gardens ploughing up the flowerbeds under the eyes of the dumbfounded house owners, I wish all success to the American party. Hmm, the song will work with the melody of CohnSilver: Yes, we have no bananas today, 1923 But later I guess, we will compose a new one :-) Buckl...oops, no, better now: Kindest Regards Chladni's Heirs Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von moni Waiblinger-Seabridge Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2006 00:29 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report Hi list members, Stefan Ralew Andi Gren Martin Altmann and Morten Bilet, Thank you for this report!!! Its so wonderful to find out more of this fall without having to spend all this money to get there, unless of course one finds a piece! Well, let's see how our American friends will do! ;-) With best regards, Moni PS. Martin, what is the melody for this song? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday to....
Barbotan, Beaver-Harrison, Parambu ( and I have in collection )Darryl Pitt and to me... Matteo ps= I need Gifu and Gross-Divina M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NORWAY meteorite hunt
Hi everyone. Well, it is 12:24 am here in Moss Norway, and I just came up from some heavy drinking with a heck of a batch of meteorite hunters. We have Robert Ward, Robert Haag, and myself representing the USA. Moritz Karl, Alexander Gehler, Rainer Bartowtzewich (sp?) and Thomas Kurtz from Germany here tonight. WE saw many others today and yesterday though, even Poland was well represented. None from France, or Austria, or the UK though. Now, on to the meteorite! It IS A CO, Carbonaceous. NO DOUBT unless it gets some wierd exception in classification. So I was right, as were many others who guessed CO2 or CO3. It is a meteorite that will take your breath away! It also had the misfortune of falling in one of the worst imaginable places for searching! This area is of course, absolutely beautiful, fjords, trees, endless berrys to eat like strawberrys, blueberrys, and raspberrys, lots of tall, blonde women, and it is not 400,000 degrees like Tucson right now. What is wrong is that it is high growing season, so every flat surface is being farmed with full grown wheat, barley, peas, cabbage, etc. Every other surface is extremely heavy forest with deep layers of moss that you sink in, lakes, swamps, or fjords full of cruise ships. Their is absolutely no place to easily search other than a few parks and shopping centers and industrial sites. From the siye of the fireball, it is certain that there are many pieces, but highly unlikely that much will be found other than by locals in their yards, and most locals are on vacation and not here. So to end so that I can get some sleep for the first time in 3 days, there is little news to report so far other than Norway got lucky with a fabulous new CC. Now it is time to feed the mosquitoes while I sleep for the few hours of darkness there is in this part of the world at this time of the year. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni's Heirs NORWAY field report + clumps of only a few stones
Hello Bernd, Tracy, All, Anyone can make a statement look good if they exclude all contrary evidence. Aside from Allende(2+t), Tagish Lake (10kg), and NWA 801(unknown kg)? Murchison 100+kg DaG CO3's with amain mass of 95kg alone Kainsaz 200+kg Karoonda ~50kg Even Bencubbin and Gujba were at least a hundred kilos each. Anyoneknow of others? I admit didn't put too much time into the research for this...just quick tkw referencing. Tracy's original statement of ...don't they seem to mostly fall in clumps of only a few stones? applies to all meteorite types, not just carbonaceous chondrites. Have a look at the catalogue of meteorites; the first page alone is enough for me, but if you continue reading, you'll see what I mean. If there's any discrepancy in these ratios at all, my best guess is that it would be due to their greater tendency to fragment while in the atmosphere due to their increased relative friability to other meteorites. Either that or the fact thatmany tend to turn into mud within a few days orweeks of falling. Yeah, there aren't too many large falls, but then again, how many largefalls are there in general? Not many. Regards, Jason On 25 Jul 2006 18:27:56 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tracy wrote:...don't they seem to mostly fall in clumps of only a few stones? Al Rais (CR2): A total weight of 160g fell near the city of MedinaAlais (CI): 2 stones, of about 4 and 2 kg respectively, fellBanten (CM2): Four individuals, totalling 629g, were recoveredBells (CM2): 6 fragments picked up Boriskino (CM2): 2 stones recovered, 1165.6g together, 3 others destroyedCrescent (CM2): Two stones were found, 72.7 g + 5.7 gErakot (CM2): One stone of 113g was recoveredFelix(CO3.3): a stone of about 7 lb was found Haripura (CM2): a stone fell and broke into 2 piecesIvuna (CI): Two or three stones fell at IvunaKaba (CV3): a stone of about 3 kg was foundKaidun (CR): a single mass of 841.6g recovered from small impact pit Kobe (CK4): one stone was recovered ... the total mass is 136 gMighei (CM2): a stone of over 8 kg was seen to fallMokoia (CV3): several stones seen to fall, 2 of about 5lb each recoveredNawapali (CM2): 3 stones appear to have fallen but only 3 small fragments of about 30g, 20g and 10g preservedNingqiang (CK3): a single stone, in 4 fragments of total weight 4.6 kgNogoya (CM2): a stone of about 4 kg fellOrgueil (CI): about 20 stonesOrnans (CO3.4 ): a stone of about 6 kg fell and broke into two piecesPollen (CM2): a stone of 253.6g fell on the Pollen farmRevelstoke (CI): search yielded 2 small fragments, together about 1 gSayama (CM2): a 430 gr stone was found Tonk (CI): shower of small stones; a total weight of 7.7 g collectedVigarano (CV3.3): 11.5 kg and 4.5 kgCheers,Bernd__Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NORWAY meteorite hunt
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:38:30 +, you wrote: Hi everyone. Well, it is 12:24 am here in Moss Norway, and I just came up from some heavy drinking with a heck of a batch of meteorite hunters. We have Robert Ward, Robert Haag, and myself representing the USA. Moritz Karl, Alexander Gehler, Rainer Bartowtzewich (sp?) and Thomas Kurtz from Germany here tonight. WE saw many others today and yesterday though, Maybe you should go look for the one from a couple-three weeks ago while you are there. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NORWAY meteorite hunt
Hi All, Chances like this don't come along very often, so please forgive my boasting. I am a small fish in a sea of much larger fish... but I can lay claim to be the first to post to the meteorite mail list that this Norway meteorite was... carbonacious! Back to your regularly scheduled mail list.. Best Regards to All, Pat Brown --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. Well, it is 12:24 am here in Moss Norway, and I just came up from some heavy drinking with a heck of a batch of meteorite hunters. We have Robert Ward, Robert Haag, and myself representing the USA. Moritz Karl, Alexander Gehler, Rainer Bartowtzewich (sp?) and Thomas Kurtz from Germany here tonight. WE saw many others today and yesterday though, even Poland was well represented. None from France, or Austria, or the UK though. Now, on to the meteorite! It IS A CO, Carbonaceous. NO DOUBT unless it gets some wierd exception in classification. So I was right, as were many others who guessed CO2 or CO3. It is a meteorite that will take your breath away! It also had the misfortune of falling in one of the worst imaginable places for searching! This area is of course, absolutely beautiful, fjords, trees, endless berrys to eat like strawberrys, blueberrys, and raspberrys, lots of tall, blonde women, and it is not 400,000 degrees like Tucson right now. What is wrong is that it is high growing season, so every flat surface is being farmed with full grown wheat, barley, peas, cabbage, etc. Every other surface is extremely heavy forest with deep layers of moss that you sink in, lakes, swamps, or fjords full of cruise ships. Their is absolutely no place to easily search other than a few parks and shopping centers and industrial sites. From the siye of the fireball, it is certain that there are many pieces, but highly unlikely that much will be found other than by locals in their yards, and most locals are on vacation and not here. So to end so that I can get some sleep for the first time in 3 days, there is little news to report so far other than Norway got lucky with a fabulous new CC. Now it is time to feed the mosquitoes while I sleep for the few hours of darkness there is in this part of the world at this time of the year. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 26, 2006
This is a super nice, dare I saw sexy find!! Pat --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_26.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
