Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 3119 (LL4)
Hi Bernd, Jerry List, NWA 3119 is a great meteorite and one of my favourites! I would have to agree with Bernd's comments that it is probably a type-3 (breccia?). The problem is that it seems to be a fairly heterogenous meteorite which probably makes classification very type specimen dependent. A bit like the problems faced with some of the NWA Eucrite vs Howardite. The 4th image shows a field of chondrules (on left) which generally appear much more primitive; a little like the NWA 2892 / NWA 2748 chondrule conglomerate. It's funny you mention the bleached chondrules Bernd, because the larger one is probably my favourite example that I have. http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/BleachedChondrules.html There's a higher resolution on the NWA 3119 slice here: http://www.meteorites.com.au/media/ Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 3119 (LL4) Hi Jeff, Jerry, and List, Man! That's an incredible individual. Everything's in such outlandish focus. If that remark refers to NWA 3119, I whole-heartedly agree. It's really hard to believe we are only looking at an LL4 chondrite. If I had to judge from the overall density and frequency of well-developed chondrules (especially in the seven o'clock position of Jeff's image #3), I'd probably call it an L3.x or an LL3.x but other areas are definitely more highly metamorphosed. Moreover, the olivine Fa-value (28.4) and the pyroxene Fs-value (23.6) clearly place it in the field of the LL4, LL5, LL6 chondrites. My 0.65-gram and 1.95-gram slices of this beautiful LL4 chondrite are from Rob Wesel. The smaller piece has chondrules sitting so tightly packed together that there is hardly any matrix material to be found. The larger piece is less chondrule-laden but sports a gorgeous, large pyroxene chondrule measuring 5 mm in diameter and close to the latter, there is one of those bull's-eye chondrules (bleached chondrules) that seem to be fairly abundant in NWA 3119. Jeff's images also show some of these bleached chondrules! Pictures of my two pieces go to Jeff and to Jerry! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Moss meteorite
Hello Robert, Sorry for not answering yor email around the times I went to Moss. I had no Internet acess there, and it was extremely hot and hectic there too... :-) You are right about the stone we first heard about on the 23rd of July. Believe it or not that's my birthday! So it was a tremendous day for me...! This stone, (found prior to Morten/Farmer/Wards stone) was picked up by the original finder in the middle of the week before this. Wedensday the 19th I think, but it was originally spotted one or two days before. Some of what happened on that day: On Sunday the 23rd I was searching around on my own, along the center line as it seemed to appear at the time using the two first finds. I parked my car where the 'centerline' met with the lake area about 1 km NW of the 752g Johansen stone. I zigzagged from this spot following the roads in the dwelling area NW of the 752 stone. I talked to several of Johansens neighbours, one living just 3 houses away knew nothing about any meteorite at all. His son of about 12 said when he heard about it:' What - a meteorite here!'. One of his other neighbours new about the Martinsen find but not of his neighbours much bigger fall! He had just arrived from the holiday when I met him. I told them to carefully search their gardens, and I did fully tell them what was the real value of a stone like this. Not all seemed to believe what I was telling them... When I had passed Johansen house and went through a narrow bush area I met up with the water on the SE side. I went back again in a large circle around the Johansen neighbourhood following the roads. I saw nothing of interest, just some glassy factory slag that certainly would catch the locals attention as a possible meteorite. I went down to the water in the SE for the second time. I was a bit tired of this now. Michael Mazur on this day had been searching in the area around Martinsens cabin where he chanced upon Gren and Ralew from Germany and Marcins polish team. They had found nothing either. Then he suddenly called me, he was now just north of Johansens house, by the playing ground. So I went up to him, a bit desolated, and he told me had to go back home for his job the next day. Mazur as the smart guy he is, had succeded in getting an article in the Moss newspaper with the title 'Meteorite-hunter on the spot' ( he asked me to join him on this, but I was to tired or to accustomed to use such a way for hunting meteorites, so I turned down his offer - stupid of me). Anyway, as I met Mazur with his car and he told me he had to leave for home quite soon now, I said:'Well, at least you should a get a real interesting local stone with you as a memory [as long as you didn't find a meteorite]!' So, off I went into the thickest bush, where I half an hour before had spotted a good example of a rhombic-porfyric (norw:'rombeporfyr') volcanic rock so typical of the permian volcanism around the Oslofjord area. When I came back to his car with his souvenir, IT had happened! He had just then gotten a phone call because of the article in the newspaper that day. He was talking to them. He said to me, 'This sounds interesting, we should check this out!' I placed his souvenir on the floor of the car quickly And, off we went. We met the excited finders. A fairly flat stone wrapped in aluminum foil was shown to us. We had our doubts at this point. Off the cover went. 'Is this a .?' Well, a split-second later it was clear to both of us!! A fairly large stone with 2/3 of black crust, some spots non crusted and with a middle-dark gray interior, was there right before our eyes. It certainly was a beautiful example of the 'Moss'-fall, just the type the whole bunch of meteorite-searchers hab been looking for most of the week. We were so lucky to later find more pieces that day where we learned the rock had originally been found.. What a birthday celebration for a meteorite-hunter...! So the list should be like this, I have ammended some information: 1. 35 gr - The first at Martinsens cabin, found friday 14. july 1025 (as the fall time) 2. 750 gr - Johansens house, monday 17. july. 3. 1-2 kg in all - 19th/23rd July. NW of Johansen stone 4. 800 gr - Who M. Bilet found together with Mike Farmer sunday 30 july. No location information. 5. 676 gr - Found on a company`s roof friday 4 august. When I came back to the hotel that evening with my equipment and alone, I spotted some guys at a table which I had not met in real life before... One of them loking my way, I certainly thought it must be the one and only Mike Farmer! One guy with long curly hair, seemingly having a good time, had his back towards me. It had to be Robert Haag. The meteorite world had come to Norway... A memorable birthday. Bjørn Sørheim, in Norway Hello Morton and List, This may be just a minor point but for purposes of clarification, I would like to suggest that your list of found stones be renumbered.
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Michael; What a great specimen! Thanks for sharing.You don't see many gibeons with that much character.It has it all. Best Regards;Herman. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite coins
Hi All, Not too long ago someone on the list gave a link to their ancient coin page featuring coins with meteorites. I had it bookmarked on my old computer, but not this one. Can someone remind me who and/or the URL? RSVP Thanks, Michael -- Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush -- What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Moss meteorite
Hi, All, This accounting would put the total mass in the range of 3261 gm. to 4261 gm. and the guessing-game winner would be Jim Strope on the low end and Alex Seidel at the high end, with the dividing line between them being at a total of 3705.71 gm. Still, that 1000 gram uncertainty is a little vague. I guess we won't know for sure for a while. And who knows, years down the line, what the official weight will be when it's published in MetBul? After leading through the first turn, I was cleanly passed on the back stretch... What was interesting to me was that my guess was the result of a logical methodology I cooked up to produce an estimate of the total recoverable weight of a fall based on strewnfield size and posted the figures to the List (method explained in Norwegian Meteorite Weight Guess, July 19, 2006). I was surprised that it worked so well. At the last minute, I cut my estimate about in half because I thought finding the stones in Norway would be extra difficult, but the truth is: except for the blank expanse of a desert or dry lake bed, most places on Earth are equally difficult to search, just for different reasons. If I'd stuck with 5500 gm., I might, 2-3 years later, have been right. I need to apply the methodology I created to all the falls I can find data on, turn it into an universal formula, and see how it predicts future falls. If I ever do that, I will report it here. It would be a useful tool and a big help to hunters, if it worked... Meanwhile, the project to produce a high quality pseudo-champagne to celebrate my short-lived lead in the Meteorite Sweepstakes was very successful, although it required a lot of taste testing... I plan to market the resulting concoction under the name SHAMPAGNE. Like all fine non-wine wine products, it's a varietal, and will be available in Regular and Diet! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Moss meteorite Hello Robert, Sorry for not answering yor email around the times I went to Moss. I had no Internet acess there, and it was extremely hot and hectic there too... :-) You are right about the stone we first heard about on the 23rd of July. Believe it or not that's my birthday! So it was a tremendous day for me...! This stone, (found prior to Morten/Farmer/Wards stone) was picked up by the original finder in the middle of the week before this. Wedensday the 19th I think, but it was originally spotted one or two days before. Some of what happened on that day: On Sunday the 23rd I was searching around on my own, along the center line as it seemed to appear at the time using the two first finds. I parked my car where the 'centerline' met with the lake area about 1 km NW of the 752g Johansen stone. I zigzagged from this spot following the roads in the dwelling area NW of the 752 stone. I talked to several of Johansens neighbours, one living just 3 houses away knew nothing about any meteorite at all. His son of about 12 said when he heard about it:' What - a meteorite here!'. One of his other neighbours new about the Martinsen find but not of his neighbours much bigger fall! He had just arrived from the holiday when I met him. I told them to carefully search their gardens, and I did fully tell them what was the real value of a stone like this. Not all seemed to believe what I was telling them... When I had passed Johansen house and went through a narrow bush area I met up with the water on the SE side. I went back again in a large circle around the Johansen neighbourhood following the roads. I saw nothing of interest, just some glassy factory slag that certainly would catch the locals attention as a possible meteorite. I went down to the water in the SE for the second time. I was a bit tired of this now. Michael Mazur on this day had been searching in the area around Martinsens cabin where he chanced upon Gren and Ralew from Germany and Marcins polish team. They had found nothing either. Then he suddenly called me, he was now just north of Johansens house, by the playing ground. So I went up to him, a bit desolated, and he told me had to go back home for his job the next day. Mazur as the smart guy he is, had succeded in getting an article in the Moss newspaper with the title 'Meteorite-hunter on the spot' ( he asked me to join him on this, but I was to tired or to accustomed to use such a way for hunting meteorites, so I turned down his offer - stupid of me). Anyway, as I met Mazur with his car and he told me he had to leave for home quite soon now, I said:'Well, at least you should a get a real interesting local stone with you as a memory [as long as you didn't find a meteorite]!' So, off I went into the thickest bush, where I half an hour before had spotted a
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite coins
Thanks to all the many people who responded, You might all enjoy at least having these pages for pos. future reference. The one I had originally referenced was the excellent stamp and coin page of Pib Burns: http://www.pibburns.com/catastro/metstamp.htm However, I did not know Tim Heights also has an excellent page on coins at: http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Coin.htm In addition, here is a page showing coins of all astronomical references (from a numismaticist, not a meteorite person): http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/astro.html This site was sent to me by my meteorite friend, Dirk Ross, in Tokyo - thanks Dirk. The other two were sent by so many list members I cannot list them all, but to whom I am very grateful. Hope some other list members enjoy these fine sites. Best wishes, Michael on 8/12/06 10:34 AM, Michael L Blood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Not too long ago someone on the list gave a link to their ancient coin page featuring coins with meteorites. I had it bookmarked on my old computer, but not this one. Can someone remind me who and/or the URL? RSVP Thanks, Michael -- Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush -- What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush -- What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] JOEL SCHIFF'S retirement party From the Meteorite Community
I think everybody on this list knows Joel, the creater and former editor of Meteorite Magazine. Over the past few months Geoff Notkin and Maria Haas has been putting together a thank you gift for his contributions to the meteorite community. Being in New Zealand I had the pleasure today of presenting him with the results of their efforts. Dozens of people contributed to this effort and here is a link to what was done with your contributions. Joel thanks everybody involved. I was there with Joel, his wife and my wife and baby but I know that many list members were also there in spirit. A special thanks to Geoff, Maria and AL Lang Link here. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/meteoritejoel.html Sincerely DEAN BESSEY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
