[meteorite-list] THE IAU PLANET DEFINITION -- IT'S MULTIPLE CHOICE!
Hi,
Despite the IAU declaration that there would be a single
Proposal and a single yes/no, guess what?
It's a multiple-choice quiz!
From The IAU GA - (Dissetatio Cum Nuncio Sidereo III, Page 8
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/nsiii_09.pdf
Retrieved 08/24/2006 2AM CDT
It has also just been posted at:
http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0602/index.html
Final Version of Resolution on the Definition of a Planet
At the second session of the General Assembly which
will be held 14:00 Thursday August 24 in the Congress Hall,
members of the IAU will vote on the resolutions presented here.
There will be separate sequential votes on Resolution 5A and Resolution 5B.
Similarly, there will be separate votes on Resolutions 6A and 6B.
Resolution 5A is the principal definition for the IAU usage of planet
and related terms. Resolution 5B adds the word classical to the
collective name of the eight planets Mercury through Neptune.
Resolution 6A creates for IAU usage a new class of objects,
for which Pluto is the proto-type. Resolution 6B introduces
the name plutonian objects for this class.
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines plutonian as:
Main Entry: plu.to.ni.an - Pronunciation: plü-'tO-nE-n -
Function: adjective - Usage: often capitalized - : of, relating to,
or characteristic of Pluto or the lower world.
After having received inputs from many sides -- especially the
geological community -- the term Pluton is no longer being
considered.
Resolutions Committee members will be available at the IAU Exhibit
(situated in the exhibition area, 2nd floor of Congress Hall, Foyer 2)
from 13:00-13:30 today (Thursday). However, only minor corrections
can be accommodated at this stage. A French version of the Resolutions
will be available at the door.
IAU Resolution: Definition of a Planet in the Solar System
Contemporary observations are changing our understanding of
planetary systems, and it is important that our nomenclature for
objects reflect our current understanding. This applies, in particular,
to the designation 'planets'. The word 'planet' originally described
'wanderers' that were known only as moving lights in the sky.
Recent discoveries lead us to create a new definition, which we
can make using currently available scientific information.
Resolution 5A
The IAU therefore resolves that planets and
other bodies in our Solar System be defined
into three distinct categories in the following way:
(1) A planet[1] is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome
rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic
equilibrium (nearly round) shape,
and
(c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
(2) A dwarf planet is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome
rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic
equilibrium (nearly round) shape[2],
(c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit,
and
(d) is not a satellite.
(3) All other objects[3] orbiting the Sun shall be referred to
collectively as Small Solar System Bodies.
{Footnotes}
[1] The eight planets are: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars,
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
[2] An IAU process will be established to assign borderline
objects into either dwarf planet and other categories.
[3] These currently include most of the Solar System asteroids,
most Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs), comets, and other
small bodies.
Resolution 5B
Insert the word classical before the word planet
in Resolution 5A, Section (1), and footnote 1. Thus reading:
(1) A classical planet[1] is a celestial body . . .
and
[1] The eight classical planets are: Mercury, Venus, Earth,
Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
IAU Resolution: Pluto
Resolution 6A
The IAU further resolves:
Pluto is a dwarf planet by the above definition and is
recognized as the prototype of a new category of
trans-Neptunian objects.
Resolution 6B
The following sentence is added to Resolution 6A:
This category is to be called plutonian objects.
[1] An IAU process will be established to select a
name for this category
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets
--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at Earth's surface and it's mostly dirt, so the planet Earth is mostly made of dirt, right? I know it's pedantic but waterball would be a better analogy. ~70% surface is water (not dirt) but there really isn't much of it on earth as a whole. I agree with your sentiments Sterling. I particularly thought Hmm, they're NEVER gonna call them frigospheres. titter. Although I am pro 8 I agree that suddenly demoting Pluto may end up making everyone look silly. As someone else pointed out, in 100 years, nobody's going to cae what we call them. I suspect that in 100 years I won't care either. Somehow I doubt that science can make me live to 140 when it cannot properly decide what a planet is! Can't we just ignore the problem? Maybe it'll go away! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THE IAU VOTE -- LIVE VIDEO
Oh boy! This is going to be like the Eurovision Song contest without all the songs, Terry Wogan or having to wait until May. I can barely contain my excitement. See you there! R McC (not a morning person) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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hello list, a free (complete or in parts) downloadable list of (mainly) names of meteorites, impacts/craters, boldies/meteors, tektites in the solar system (24,6 MB)is available at: www.impaktnamen.de. Its goal is to show the ubiquity of impact events in the solar system. For supplements/corrections we would be very grateful. -- Feel free – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets
i before e except after c, and when sounded like a as in neighbor and weigh. a body is a planet, when [fill in the approved definition], except for Pluto . . . there are exceptions to every other rule ever conceived, seems like we could throw Pluto a bone and let it stay on the team without disrupting the order of the universe too much. just a half a cuppa coffee thought . . . take care susan - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I look at Earth's surface and it's mostly dirt, so the planet Earth is mostly made of dirt, right? I know it's pedantic but waterball would be a better analogy. ~70% surface is water (not dirt) but there really isn't much of it on earth as a whole. I agree with your sentiments Sterling. I particularly thought Hmm, they're NEVER gonna call them frigospheres. titter. Although I am pro 8 I agree that suddenly demoting Pluto may end up making everyone look silly. As someone else pointed out, in 100 years, nobody's going to cae what we call them. I suspect that in 100 years I won't care either. Somehow I doubt that science can make me live to 140 when it cannot properly decide what a planet is! Can't we just ignore the problem? Maybe it'll go away! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pluto kaput-o
Leading astronomers have declared that Pluto is no longer a planet in approving new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight, The Associated Press reports. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite
Howdy, I just got a piece of the new Norwegian fall and thought I'd make a few quick observations and pics. Sorry I didin't have time to do it a bit more in depth but here's what I came up with so far. I'll work on it some more over the weekend. http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/moss.html Cheers, Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THE IAU PLANET DEFINITION -- IT'S MULTIPLE CHOICE!
Hi,
Pretty good, but -
dwarf planets - a repeat of the 1800's, when Ceres
and Pallas became minor planets - now we'll have
dwarves
plutonians intead of plutos? - Looks to me like a
wire - I wonder who got plutonian into the Merriam
Webster dictionary?
As events proceed, we'll probably just end up with
asteroids and near larger Kuiper Belt Objects -
plutos. If they're round, they'll be plutonian.
Will they have to change the name of the Smithsonian
Minor Planet Center to the Smithsonian Small Solar
System Body Center? How about the Smithsonian Center
for Small Solar System Bodies? How about NASA coming
up with the money for the name change as part of its
responsibilities under the Brown Ammendment?
Now what ever happened to Michael Casper?
good hunting,
Ed
--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
Despite the IAU declaration that there would be
a single
Proposal and a single yes/no, guess what?
It's a multiple-choice quiz!
From The IAU GA - (Dissetatio Cum Nuncio Sidereo
III, Page 8
http://astro.cas.cz/nuncius/nsiii_09.pdf
Retrieved 08/24/2006 2AM CDT
It has also just been posted at:
http://www.iau2006.org/mirror/www.iau.org/iau0602/index.html
Final Version of Resolution on the Definition of a
Planet
At the second session of the General Assembly which
will be held 14:00 Thursday August 24 in the
Congress Hall,
members of the IAU will vote on the resolutions
presented here.
There will be separate sequential votes on
Resolution 5A and Resolution 5B.
Similarly, there will be separate votes on
Resolutions 6A and 6B.
Resolution 5A is the principal definition for the
IAU usage of planet
and related terms. Resolution 5B adds the word
classical to the
collective name of the eight planets Mercury through
Neptune.
Resolution 6A creates for IAU usage a new class of
objects,
for which Pluto is the proto-type. Resolution 6B
introduces
the name plutonian objects for this class.
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines plutonian
as:
Main Entry: plu.to.ni.an - Pronunciation:
plü-'tO-nE-n -
Function: adjective - Usage: often capitalized - :
of, relating to,
or characteristic of Pluto or the lower world.
After having received inputs from many sides --
especially the
geological community -- the term Pluton is no
longer being
considered.
Resolutions Committee members will be available at
the IAU Exhibit
(situated in the exhibition area, 2nd floor of
Congress Hall, Foyer 2)
from 13:00-13:30 today (Thursday). However, only
minor corrections
can be accommodated at this stage. A French version
of the Resolutions
will be available at the door.
IAU Resolution: Definition of a Planet in the Solar
System
Contemporary observations are changing our
understanding of
planetary systems, and it is important that our
nomenclature for
objects reflect our current understanding. This
applies, in particular,
to the designation 'planets'. The word 'planet'
originally described
'wanderers' that were known only as moving lights in
the sky.
Recent discoveries lead us to create a new
definition, which we
can make using currently available scientific
information.
Resolution 5A
The IAU therefore resolves that planets and
other bodies in our Solar System be defined
into three distinct categories in the following way:
(1) A planet[1] is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to
overcome
rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic
equilibrium (nearly round) shape,
and
(c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
(2) A dwarf planet is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to
overcome
rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic
equilibrium (nearly round) shape[2],
(c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its
orbit,
and
(d) is not a satellite.
(3) All other objects[3] orbiting the Sun shall be
referred to
collectively as Small Solar System Bodies.
{Footnotes}
[1] The eight planets are: Mercury, Venus, Earth,
Mars,
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
[2] An IAU process will be established to assign
borderline
objects into either dwarf planet and other
categories.
[3] These currently include most of the Solar System
asteroids,
most Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs), comets, and
other
small bodies.
Resolution 5B
Insert the word classical before the word planet
in Resolution 5A, Section (1), and footnote 1. Thus
reading:
(1) A classical planet[1] is a celestial body . . .
and
[1] The eight classical planets are: Mercury, Venus,
Earth,
Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.
IAU Resolution: Pluto
Resolution 6A
The IAU further resolves:
Pluto is a dwarf planet by the above definition and
is
recognized as the prototype of a new category of
trans-Neptunian objects.
Resolution 6B
The following
[meteorite-list] Pluto Gets Demoted As Astronomers Approve New Definition For Planets
http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=154298 Pluto gets demoted as astronomers approve new definition for planets By Associated Press August 24, 2006 PRAGUE, Czech Republic - Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight. After a tumultuous week of clashing over the essence of the cosmos, the International Astronomical Union stripped Pluto of the planetary status it has held since its discovery in 1930. The new definition of what is - and isn't - a planet fills a centuries-old black hole for scientists who have labored since Copernicus without one. Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell - a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland who oversaw the proceedings - urged those who might be quite disappointed to look on the bright side. It could be argued that we are creating an umbrella called 'planet' under which the dwarf planets exist, she said, drawing laughter by waving a stuffed Pluto of Walt Disney fame beneath a real umbrella. The decision by the prestigious international group spells out the basic tests that celestial objects will have to meet before they can be considered for admission to the elite cosmic club. For now, membership will be restricted to the eight classical planets in the solar system: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Much-maligned Pluto doesn't make the grade under the new rules for a planet: a celestial body that is in orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a ... nearly round shape, and has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit. Pluto is automatically disqualified because its oblong orbit overlaps with Neptune's. Instead, it will be reclassified in a new category of dwarf planets, similar to what long have been termed minor planets. The definition also lays out a third class of lesser objects that orbit the sun - small solar system bodies, a term that will apply to numerous asteroids, comets and other natural satellites. It was unclear how Pluto's demotion might affect the mission of NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which earlier this year began a 9-year journey to the oddball object to unearth more of its secrets. The decision at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects. That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing. Now, two of the objects that at one point were cruising toward possible full-fledged planethood will join Pluto as dwarfs: the asteroid Ceres, which was a planet in the 1800s before it got demoted, and 2003 UB313, an icy object slightly larger than Pluto whose discoverer, Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, has nicknamed Xena. Charon, the largest of Pluto's three moons, is no longer under consideration for any special designation. Brown was pleased by the decision. He had argued that Pluto and similar bodies didn't deserve planet status, saying that would take the magic out of the solar system. UB313 is the largest dwarf planet. That's kind of cool, he said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IAU 2006 General Assembly: Result of the IAU Resolution Votes
International Astronomical Union Paris, France 24 August 2006 IAU 2006 General Assembly: Result of the IAU Resolution votes Prague, Czech Republic -- The first half of the Closing Ceremony of the 2006 International Astronomical Union (IAU) General Assembly has just concluded. The results of the Resolution votes are outlined here. It is official: The 26th General Assembly for the International Astronomical Union was an astounding success! More than 2500 astronomers participated in six Symposia, 17 Joint Discussions, seven Special Sessions and four Special Sessions. New science results were vigorously discussed, new international collaborations were initiated, plans for future facilities put forward and much more. In addition to all the exciting astronomy discussed at the General Assembly, six IAU Resolutions were also passed at the Closing Ceremony of the General Assembly: 1. Resolution 1 for GA-XXVI: Precession Theory and Definition of the Ecliptic 2. Resolution 2 for GA-XXVI: Supplement to the IAU 2000 Resolutions on reference systems 3. Resolution 3 for GA-XXVI: Re-definition of Barycentric Dynamical Time, TDB 4. Resolution 4 for GA-XXVI: Endorsement of the Washington Charter for Communicating Astronomy with the Public 5. Resolution 5A: Definition of 'planet' 6. Resolution 6A: Definition of Pluto-class objects The IAU members gathered at the 2006 General Assembly agreed that a planet is defined as a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit. This means that the Solar System consists of eight planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. A new distinct class of objects called dwarf planets was also decided. It was agreed that planets and dwarf planets are two distinct classes of objects. The first members of the dwarf planet category are Ceres, Pluto and 2003 UB313 (temporary name). More dwarf planets are expected to be announced by the IAU in the coming months and years. Currently a dozen candidate dwarf planets are listed on IAU's dwarf planet watchlist, which keeps changing as new objects are found and the physics of the existing candidates becomes better known. The dwarf planet Pluto is recognised as an important proto-type of a new class of trans-Neptunian objects. The IAU will set up a process to name these objects. Below are the planet definition Resolutions that were passed. Notes for editors: A press conference about the Closing Ceremony of the General Assembly, including the results of the planet-definition vote, will be held at 18:00 [1600 UTC], in Meeting Room 3.3 of the Prague Congress Center. (It will NOT be possible for journalists to ring in to this conference: they must be there in person.) The panel for the press conference will be: * Ron Ekers (outgoing IAU President) * Catherine Cesarsky (incoming IAU President, Member of the Planet Definition Committee) * Jan Palous (Chair of the National Organising Committee) * Richard Binzel (Member of the Planet Definition Committee) * Karel van der Hucht (incoming Secretary General) This press conference will conclude around 18:30 CEST [1630 UTC]. The IAU is the international astronomical organisation that brings together distinguished astronomers from all nations of the world. Its mission is to promote and safeguard the science of astronomy in all its aspects through international cooperation. Founded in 1919, the IAU is the world's largest professional body for astronomers. The IAU General Assembly is held every three years and is one of the largest and most diverse meetings on the astronomical community's calendar. Contacts: Following the vote, some of the members of the planet definition committee will be available for interviews (after the final vote): Richard Binzel Member of the Planet Definition Committee Prague Conference Center, Meeting Room 3.1 Tel: +420-261-177-110 Junichi Watanabe Member of the Planet Definition Committee Prague Conference Center, Meeting Room 3.3 Tel: +420-261-177-081 Iwan Williams President, IAU Division III Planetary Systems Sciences Prague Conference Center, Meeting Room 244 Tel: +420-261-177-064 Owen Gingerich Chair of the IAU Planet Definition Committee Tel: via the Press Room +420-261-177-075 Professor Ron Ekers IAU President Tel: via the Press Room +420-261-177-075 Catherine Cesarsky IAU President-Elect and member of the Planet Definition Committee Tel: via the Press Room +420-261-177-075 PIO contact: Lars Lindberg Christensen IAU Press Officer IAU GA 2006 Press office, Meeting Room 3.2 Prague Congress Center Tel: +420-261-177-075/+420-261-222-130 Links * Programme for the Closing Ceremony http://www.astronomy2006.com/second-session-and-closing-ceremony.php * Live public webcast of the Closing Ceremony http://astronomy2006.com/tv/ * Live
[meteorite-list] what is this, really
http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ260023884135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
It superficially looks like Dhofar 1085 but the anorthosite clasts don't have the same texture, even at the relatively low resolution of the pic. I don't know who's selling it and I'd want a whole lot more info before I was even remotely convinced that it's the real thing. I've seen a few pics almost identical to this in meteorwrong lists. I forget what they said it actually was. Rob McC --- batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ260023884135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
This (same picture) has been offered before from the same seller. It's currently listed in several suspect/meteorite-wrongs lists including Ken Newton's pages. As one comment sent to me - lots of iron in a lunar? Not likely. Don --- Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It superficially looks like Dhofar 1085 but the anorthosite clasts don't have the same texture, even at the relatively low resolution of the pic. I don't know who's selling it and I'd want a whole lot more info before I was even remotely convinced that it's the real thing. I've seen a few pics almost identical to this in meteorwrong lists. I forget what they said it actually was. Rob McC --- batkol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ260023884135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
Perhaps smth like that? http://www.spessartit.de/7_bar.jpg (brecciated baryte in goethite) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von batkol Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 17:32 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is this, really http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ2600238 84135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Price drop for lunars?
Hi all - http://www.energia.ru/english/energia/news/news-2006/public_07-01.html Energia would like to fly a Moon landing in 2014 - kind of like Thiokol. While you add up the launch costs and module costs at current market, and come up with a rough estimate of total cost per landing, the return payload has not yet been announced - Can Energia pull any of it off? In more news, China agreed to fly instruments on Russia's Phobos probe. No price announced yet. good hunting, Ed (with throbbing head due to drug side-effect today) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: AW: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
Lots of similar wrongs at Randy Korotev's site - likely the most comprehensive on the web: http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/meteorwrongs/meteorwrongs.htm Cheers, Pete From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'batkol' [EMAIL PROTECTED] , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] what is this, really Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:07:08 +0200 Perhaps smth like that? http://www.spessartit.de/7_bar.jpg (brecciated baryte in goethite) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von batkol Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. August 2006 17:32 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is this, really http://cgi.ebay.com/lunar-meteorite-impact-melt-anorthosite_W0QQitemZ2600238 84135QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanks. take care susan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moss Meteorite - Preliminary Observations
Hello Jeff and List, Beautiful, fresh fragment - pristine as if it had fallen a few seconds ago ...very impressive! Thanks for sharing so quickly! It looks so coaly that, if I were to judge from the pictures alone, I'd lean towards a CK (maybe CK3) chondrite. Yes I know, there are fresh FeNi metal flecks and I haven't seen it in person but, on the other hand, one of my NWA CKs, NWA 521 (CK4) does have some metal pockets and, moreover, there are minute metal specks and metal spray throughout. Sincere congrats on such a fine addition to your collection! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions added
Hi everyone. I have recently added some new auctions to ebay. If you like to please take a look. Just follow this link: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteoriten I have added some historical nice pieces, a DaG 400 and DaG 476 auction and also a nice little pultusk individual. View at your leasure. Thank you Regards Moritz Karl Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spirit Discovers New Class of Igneous Rocks
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20060823a.html [graphic] This image shows the classes of Gusev Rock. Spirit Discovers New Class of Igneous Rocks Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 23, 2006 During the past two-and-a-half years of traversing the central part of Gusev Crater, NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has analyzed the brushed and ground-into surfaces of multiple rocks using the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer, which measures the abundance of major chemical elements. In the process, Spirit has documented the first example of a particular kind of volcanic region on Mars known as an alkaline igneous province. The word alkaline refers to the abundance of sodium and potassium, two major rock-forming elements from the alkali metals on the left-hand side of the periodic table. All of the relatively unaltered rocks -- those least changed by wind, water, freezing, or other weathering agents -- examined by Spirit have been igneous, meaning that they crystallized from molten magmas. One way geologists classify igneous rocks is by looking at the amount of potassium and sodium relative to the amount of silica, the most abundant rock-forming mineral on Earth. In the case of volcanic rocks, the amount of silica present gives scientists clues to the kind of volcanism that occurred, while the amounts of potassium and sodium provide clues about the history of the rock. Rocks with more silica tend to erupt explosively. Higher contents of potassium and sodium, as seen in alkaline rocks like those at Gusev, may indicate partial melting of magma at higher pressure, that is, deeper in the Martian mantle. The abundance of potassium and sodium determines the kinds of minerals that make up igneous rocks. If igneous rocks have enough silica, potassium and sodium always bond with the silica to form certain minerals. The Gusev rocks define a new chemical category not previously seen on Mars, as shown in this diagram plotting alkalis versus silica, compiled by University of Tennessee geologist Harry McSween. The abbreviations Na2O and K2O refer to oxides of sodium and potassium. The abbreviation SiO2 refers to silica. The abbreviation wt. % indicates that the numbers tell what percentage of the total weight of each rock is silica (on the horizontal scale) and what percentage is oxides of sodium and potassium (on the vertical scale). The thin lines separate volcanic rock types identified on Earth by different scientific names such as foidite and picrobasalt. Various classes of Gusev rocks (see box in upper right) all plot either on or to the left of the green lines, which define alkaline and subalkaline categories (subalkaline rocks have more silica than alkaline rocks). Members of the rover team have named different classes of rocks after specimens examined by Spirit that represent their overall character. During the rover's travels, Spirit discovered that Adirondack-class rocks littered the Gusev plains; that Backstay, Irvine, and Wishstone-class rocks occurred as loose blocks on the northwest slope of Husband Hill; and that outcrops of Algonquin-class rocks protruded in several places on the southeast face. These rocks have less silica than all previously analyzed Mars samples, which are subalkaline. The previously analyzed Mars samples include Martian meteorites found on Earth and rocks analyzed by the Mars Pathfinder rover in 1997. Gusev is the first documented example of an alkaline igneous province on Mars. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 24, 2006
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pluto kaput-o
..., just served us nothin! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pluto kaput-o Leading astronomers have declared that Pluto is no longer a planet in approving new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight, The Associated Press reports. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React to Pluto's Planetary 'Demotion'
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JOHNS HOPKINS ASTRONOMERS REACT TO PLUTO'S PLANETARY 'DEMOTION'
Several Johns Hopkins University astronomers described a decision Thursday
to strip Pluto of its planetary status as a muddled ruling that is
unlikely to settle ongoing debates over how to define a planet and whether
the term should apply to Pluto. In an informal poll, only one astronomer
was pleased to hear about Pluto's new status.
Their reactions came after a vote by the International Astronomical Union,
meeting in Prague, that defined a planet as a celestial body that is in
orbit around the sun, has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome
rigid body forces so that it assumes a nearly round shape, and has
cleared the neighborhood around its orbit. Because Pluto does not meet
the last criterion, the IAU demoted it to dwarf planet status.
The decision leaves the solar system with only eight planets. Since its
discovery in 1930, Pluto has been considered the system's ninth planet.
Following are some comments about the IAU decision from astronomers at the
Henry A. Rowland Department of Physics and Astronomy at the Johns Hopkins
University's Krieger School of Arts and Sciences and The Johns Hopkins
University Applied Physics Laboratory. The Applied Physics Laboratory is
managing the mission of NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which was launched
earlier this year on 9 1/2-year journey to explore the distant region that
includes Pluto.
* Andrew Cheng, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory:
I think the IAU vote is a muddled compromise that will not settle the
question of 'What is a planet?' Pluto is not a 'planet' according to
resolution 1, but it is a 'dwarf planet' by resolution 2. So is it a
'planet?' I thought so before and still think so now -- but those who did
not think so before can now point to the IAU definition and say that Pluto
is really not a planet but a sort of second-class citizen.
Actually, that is the same situation that has prevailed with Ceres, other
asteroids, and comets for many years (centuries in the case of some of
these objects). Those objects were known as minor planets before, but now a
few of the minor planets have been promoted to 'dwarf planets.'
So I suppose I should be happy that Pluto wasn't demoted all the way into
the minor planet category.
* Harold (Hal) Weaver, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory
and New Horizons project scientist:
I don't expect the hoopla over the demotion of Pluto from the realm of
'classical planets' to have any effect on the conduct of the New Horizons
mission. The scientific investigation of Pluto remains an important
component of our effort to understand the processes that shaped the outer
solar system, even if some of the objects in that region defy our efforts
to categorize them. The New Horizons mission remains as viable as ever
because it will provide the initial reconnaissance of one of the solar
system's newly discovered frontiers.
Regarding the resolution itself, I'm with Andy Cheng in concluding that
the situation is still somewhat muddled. What exactly is meant by a planet
'clearing its neighborhood?' Since many 'plutinos' - (including Pluto) -
cross Neptune's orbit, I'd say Neptune's neighborhood still needs some
clearing! It just seems a bit risky to me to base a definition on a
theoretical construct ('dynamically cleared regions') that's only
approximate at best and may change significantly as our understanding of
planet formation evolves over time.
I further note that there have been particularly large swings in the
theories of outer solar system dynamical evolution during the past decade.
What was 'conventional wisdom' five years ago has been replaced with the
latest fad, and I don't expect that situation to change any time soon.
* Karl Glazebrook, professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy:
What is meant by 'clearing its orbit?' How does this relate to having an
orbit overlapping Neptune? Clearly Neptune has not cleared its orbit.
They should have gone with something clean like a size criterion. Seems to
me like a muddled compromise which will just cause more problems (what
about some of the weird orbits extra-solar planets have?) and the issue
will have to be revisited again.
* William P. Blair, research professor in the Department of Physics and
Astronomy and chief of observatory operations for NASA's Far Ultraviolet
Spectroscopic Explorer Satellite, operated by Johns Hopkins:
I think the demotion of Pluto into the realm of other minor objects
outside the orbit of Neptune is the most consistent thing to do to
straighten out the nomenclature of
Re: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React to Pluto's Planetary 'Demotion'
JOHNS HOPKINS ASTRONOMERS REACT TO PLUTO'S PLANETARY 'DEMOTION' Several Johns Hopkins University astronomers described a decision Thursday to strip Pluto of its planetary status as a muddled ruling that is unlikely to settle ongoing debates over how to define a planet and whether the term should apply to Pluto. In an informal poll, only one astronomer was pleased to hear about Pluto's new status. .. or, to cut a long way short: See Anne's comment which sums it up pretty nicely and says all that is relevant to the vast majority of us! Let the muddlers keep on muddling. Clyde Tombaugh's Pluto couldn't care less;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planetsf-20060824.html Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System August 24, 2006 Media contact: Jane Platt/JPL (818) 354-0880 If you woke up Thursday morning and sensed something was different about the world around you, you're absolutely right. Pluto is no longer a planet. The International Astronomical Union, wrapping up its meeting in Prague, Czech Republic, has resolved one of the most hotly-debated topics in the cosmos by approving a specific definition that gives our solar system eight planets, instead of the nine most of us grew up memorizing. NASA has already visited all eight planets that retain their official title: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. In addition, the agency has its New Horizons spacecraft en route to Pluto, which the astronomical union has designated as the prototype for a new class of celestial objects, to be called dwarf planets. NASA will, of course, use the new guidelines established by the International Astronomical Union, said Dr. Paul Hertz, Chief Scientist for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters. We will continue pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized. Ceres, which orbits in a belt between Mars and Jupiter and is the largest known asteroid, is one of those interesting objects. In 2007, NASA will launch the Dawn spacecraft on a mission to study Ceres, which the astronomers have placed in the dwarf planet category, alongside Pluto. The dwarf planet family also includes 2003 UB313, nicknamed Xena. When Dr. Mike Brown of Caltech and his colleagues announced last summer that they'd discovered the object, which is bigger and farther away than Pluto, many astronomers decided it was time to figure out once and for all, What exactly is a planet, anyway? Here's how it all shakes out. The International Astronomical Union has decided that, to be called a planet, an object must have three traits. It must orbit the sun, be massive enough that its own gravity pulls it into a nearly round shape, and be dominant enough to clear away objects in its neighborhood. To be admitted to the dwarf planet category, an object must have only two of those traits -- it must orbit the sun and have a nearly round shape. And no, moons don't count as dwarf planets. In addition to Pluto, Ceres and 2003 UB313, the astronomical union has a dozen potential dwarf planets on its watchlist. What's to become of the other objects in our solar system neighborhood, the ones that are not planets, not dwarf planets and not moons? The organization has decided that most asteroids, comets and other small objects will be called small solar-system bodies. Despite the establishment of these three distinct categories, there are bound to be gray areas. As technologies improve and more objects are found, the International Astronomical Union will set up a process to decide which of the three categories are most appropriate for specific objects. Even before the discovery of Xena, not all was calm in the planetary world. There was debate after Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. With its small size, distant location and odd orbit, some questioned whether Pluto was really a planet or just an icy remnant of the planet-forming process. That issue has been resolved by the International Astronomical Union. Among those most keenly following the debate -- Mike Brown, who has been awaiting word on Pluto and the object he found, Xena. I'm of course disappointed that Xena will not be the tenth planet, but I definitely support the IAU in this difficult and courageous decision, said Brown. It is scientifically the right thing to do, and is a great step forward in astronomy. Although the revamping of our solar system might seem unsettling, it's really nothing new. In fact, when Ceres was first discovered in 1801, it was called a planet, as were several similar objects found later. But when the count kept on growing, astronomers decided enough is enough, and they demoted Ceres and its siblings, placing them in a new category, called asteroids. The International Astronomical Union has been naming planets and moons since its founding in 1919. For more information, visit the International Astronomical Union home page at www.iau.org or www.iau2006.org . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React to Pluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
In Ron's forwarded newsrelease: Richard Conn Henry, professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy, Johns Hopkins University said: Hurrah for Pluto, first dwarf planet to be visited by a NASA mission! Richard, the first in situ TNO yesBUT...Hopefully that coveted title you confer would be to Ceres in Feb 2015, five months earlier than New Horizons arrives at Pluto, and hopefully Vesta will be dwarfed in a knightly fashion and visited by in Oct 2011, both by NASA/UCLA's Discovery Mission DAWN ! Please see my cartoon editorial on the Pluto issue: http://www.diogenite.com/IAU.JPG available in 5-10 minutes, Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED: Estonian Impactites
Hi Folks! I’m looking for estonian impactites especially from the „Ilumetsa-Crater” by Pörgavhaud but also all others. Please let me know what you have (with pictures and prices). Thanks! Ingo -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! Feel free mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React toPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Bah the solar system is in ruin! dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. I'm not a native speaker, so help me to find the right term. orbitally challenged planet? massively challenged planet? populatedly challenged planet? bureaucratically challenged planet? Buckleboo! Martin http://www.dwarfism.org/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Too Small To be Counted Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'MexicoDoug' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' Bah the solar system is in ruin! dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. I'm not a native speaker, so help me to find the right term. orbitally challenged planet? massively challenged planet? populatedly challenged planet? bureaucratically challenged planet? Buckleboo! Martin http://www.dwarfism.org/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
How about this for a description: Small Tiny Undersized Planet Is Demoted Or for you acronym lovers; STUPID Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'MexicoDoug' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' Bah the solar system is in ruin! dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. I'm not a native speaker, so help me to find the right term. orbitally challenged planet? massively challenged planet? populatedly challenged planet? bureaucratically challenged planet? Buckleboo! Martin http://www.dwarfism.org/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Size challenged. Pluto envy or planet envy Larry Quoting Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Too Small To be Counted Mark - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'MexicoDoug' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' Bah the solar system is in ruin! dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. I'm not a native speaker, so help me to find the right term. orbitally challenged planet? massively challenged planet? populatedly challenged planet? bureaucratically challenged planet? Buckleboo! Martin http://www.dwarfism.org/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Luna 16 material for sale on web?
Ähem, what's going on there? http://www.cosmos.pnet.pl/buj%20online.htm Buckleboo? Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers React toPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:15:36 +0200, you wrote: dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. Dwarf IS the PC term now. Midget planet would have been a problem. Other problem names would have included Munchkin planet and Hey, Didn't You Play An Ewok planet. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: LAHOMA THE COOLEST L5! Last Call and New Slices.
From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 5:13 PM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: FW: LAHOMA THE COOLEST L5! Last Call and New Slices. Subject: LAHOMA THE COOLEST L5! Last Call and New Slices. Hello, The LAHOMA, Oklahoma, L5 is one of the most beautiful of L5 Chondrites out there. A superb matrix, that is Jade Green in color with all kinds of inclusions to please even the most demanding of explorers! IT IS WELL WORTH JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS!!! Also, I would consider good trades on some of the larger slices! I have put MY LAST slices and specimens into my ebay store. What is in there now is ALL that remains. Not much, really. This meteorite has pretty much vanished from my inventory and rightly so! Go to: http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Type in Lahoma in my ebay store search engine. Also, some really cool auctions ending next week most still at 0.99 cents. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PRSD link
Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PSRD link
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Aug06/cataclysmDynamics.html Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Actually, what we have here is right out of the wonderful world of Disney. We have Pluto and the dwarfs (as in from Snow White). Based on a lot of the feedback from todays vote, the IAU is Goofy for making a Mickey Mouse definition of planets. Dave - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:15:36 +0200, you wrote: dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. Dwarf IS the PC term now. Midget planet would have been a problem. Other problem names would have included Munchkin planet and Hey, Didn't You Play An Ewok planet. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD / Offers Wanted - NWA 011 Pairing - 530 Grams !!
Dear List Members, I am sure everyone has heard of NWA 011 and its pairings NWA 2400 and NWA 2976. NWA 011 was originally thought to be from Mercury by Japanese scientists in 2000 but since then it has been classified as ungrouped, very cool all the same. I have a 530 gram pairing that I acquired a few months ago which took several months of negotiating to bring back from Morocco. I would like to try and find a home for it intact. I am considering offers for a couple of weeks and if I accept one, then we can do a couple things; 1) Keep it intact and not have an NWA assigned but will come with a written statement from the scientists at the University of Washington who examined it determining the pairing, 2) Cut the stone and supply a 20 gram type sample to have an NWA assigned or 3) If I do not receive an adequate offer to cover my costs than I will cut it, submit a type sample and have an NWA number assigned, then offer slices at a very competitive rate (One of the pairings was recently being offered at $1,000.00 per gram). Here is a link to a photo of the 530 gram complete stone: http://www.lunarrock.com/gh-231/gh-231.jpg If you are interested in making an offer or have any questions, please email me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I should be able to make a decision by September 8th, just before the Denver Mineral Show. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System
It must orbit the sun, be massive enough that its own gravity pulls it into a nearly round shape, So if it has the shape of a dinner plate it is a planet? It would be a strange object, indeed! :=) - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planetsf-20060824.html Honey, I Shrunk the Solar System August 24, 2006 Media contact: Jane Platt/JPL (818) 354-0880 If you woke up Thursday morning and sensed something was different about the world around you, you're absolutely right. Pluto is no longer a planet. The International Astronomical Union, wrapping up its meeting in Prague, Czech Republic, has resolved one of the most hotly-debated topics in the cosmos by approving a specific definition that gives our solar system eight planets, instead of the nine most of us grew up memorizing. NASA has already visited all eight planets that retain their official title: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. In addition, the agency has its New Horizons spacecraft en route to Pluto, which the astronomical union has designated as the prototype for a new class of celestial objects, to be called dwarf planets. NASA will, of course, use the new guidelines established by the International Astronomical Union, said Dr. Paul Hertz, Chief Scientist for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters. We will continue pursuing exploration of the most scientifically interesting objects in the solar system, regardless of how they are categorized. Ceres, which orbits in a belt between Mars and Jupiter and is the largest known asteroid, is one of those interesting objects. In 2007, NASA will launch the Dawn spacecraft on a mission to study Ceres, which the astronomers have placed in the dwarf planet category, alongside Pluto. The dwarf planet family also includes 2003 UB313, nicknamed Xena. When Dr. Mike Brown of Caltech and his colleagues announced last summer that they'd discovered the object, which is bigger and farther away than Pluto, many astronomers decided it was time to figure out once and for all, What exactly is a planet, anyway? Here's how it all shakes out. The International Astronomical Union has decided that, to be called a planet, an object must have three traits. It must orbit the sun, be massive enough that its own gravity pulls it into a nearly round shape, and be dominant enough to clear away objects in its neighborhood. To be admitted to the dwarf planet category, an object must have only two of those traits -- it must orbit the sun and have a nearly round shape. And no, moons don't count as dwarf planets. In addition to Pluto, Ceres and 2003 UB313, the astronomical union has a dozen potential dwarf planets on its watchlist. What's to become of the other objects in our solar system neighborhood, the ones that are not planets, not dwarf planets and not moons? The organization has decided that most asteroids, comets and other small objects will be called small solar-system bodies. Despite the establishment of these three distinct categories, there are bound to be gray areas. As technologies improve and more objects are found, the International Astronomical Union will set up a process to decide which of the three categories are most appropriate for specific objects. Even before the discovery of Xena, not all was calm in the planetary world. There was debate after Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930. With its small size, distant location and odd orbit, some questioned whether Pluto was really a planet or just an icy remnant of the planet-forming process. That issue has been resolved by the International Astronomical Union. Among those most keenly following the debate -- Mike Brown, who has been awaiting word on Pluto and the object he found, Xena. I'm of course disappointed that Xena will not be the tenth planet, but I definitely support the IAU in this difficult and courageous decision, said Brown. It is scientifically the right thing to do, and is a great step forward in astronomy. Although the revamping of our solar system might seem unsettling, it's really nothing new. In fact, when Ceres was first discovered in 1801, it was called a planet, as were several similar objects found later. But when the count kept on growing, astronomers decided enough is enough, and they demoted Ceres and its siblings, placing them in a new category, called asteroids. The International Astronomical Union has been naming planets and moons since its founding in 1919. For more information, visit the International Astronomical Union home page at www.iau.org or www.iau2006.org . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
Dear Dave, Darren, Larry and List, It is easy to explain why Pluto was doomed. As it reads in Wikipedia, Pluto has more enemies than friends; In Pluto's own cartoons, his friends included Fifi the Peke, Dinah the Dachshund, and Ronnie the St. Bernard Puppy. His enemies included Black Pete, Donald Duck, Butch the Bulldog, Figaro the Kitten, Chip 'n Dale, Buzz the Bee, and other characters. With only three friends and more than seven enemies Pluto`s was sure to be out-voted. More on Pluto in which Wikipedia has already noted Pluto`s demise as a planet: Pluto was named after the planet Pluto (currently reclassified as a dwarf planet) which was discovered in 1930, the same year that the character was introduced, and thus is indirectly named after the Roman god of the underworld. In time we will see if Pluto can muster support from his silent friends. The debate has just begun. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, what we have here is right out of the wonderful world of Disney. We have Pluto and the dwarfs (as in from Snow White). Based on a lot of the feedback from todays vote, the IAU is Goofy for making a Mickey Mouse definition of planets. Dave - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:15:36 +0200, you wrote: dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. Dwarf IS the PC term now. Midget planet would have been a problem. Other problem names would have included Munchkin planet and Hey, Didn't You Play An Ewok planet. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: NEW Vestan Type meteorite for sale NWA 2968
Dear List, The new Vestan Dunite NWA 2968 is now available. This is the first of its kind to be discovered, described and offered for sale. If anyone on this MetList is interested, before this material is all traded or sold to the general meteorite collecting public, please contact me off-list. There is not much of this rare material available. Orders will be filled on a first-come-first-served basis; no material will be cut or broken because it is so rare (much rarer than Lunars and Martians). Dr. Ted Bunch has an excellent description with photographs of NWA 2968 as does David Weir; so please do a Google search and read if you wish. I do not have their permission to post their Web Links so I will not. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Giorgio and Lina Tomelleri contact info
Does anyone have the email contact info for Giorgio and Lina Tomelleri ? If so, could you please contact me off list? Thanks Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 25, 2006
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: NEW Vestan Type meteorite for sale NWA 2968
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:50:02 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The new Vestan Dunite NWA 2968 is now available. Oddly enough (given recent debates) this is a... (pause for effect) meteorite from a pluton! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunite __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins AstronomersReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion'
I buy that! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins AstronomersReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' Actually, what we have here is right out of the wonderful world of Disney. We have Pluto and the dwarfs (as in from Snow White). Based on a lot of the feedback from todays vote, the IAU is Goofy for making a Mickey Mouse definition of planets. Dave - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] John Hopkins Astronomers ReacttoPluto'sPlanetary 'Demotion' On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:15:36 +0200, you wrote: dwarf planet is incommensurate with the use of words in publication in countries, which obey Political Correctness. Dwarf IS the PC term now. Midget planet would have been a problem. Other problem names would have included Munchkin planet and Hey, Didn't You Play An Ewok planet. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers Lean Toward Eight Planets
Hello List, It appears that the only reason for dropping poor Pluto from the list of planets is an Americancultural bias in that SIZE COUNTS. Pluto, as do the rest of the planets, orbits the Sun in a somewhat regular manneras a planet; therefore leave its classification alone. Science may change the status of Pluto; but Pluto will still exist as it has without any concern of Man`s (new-school-biased? Astronomer`s) scheme of things. Sincerely, Pluto fan making 9.Dirk Ross...Tokyo__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Glossary
Hello to the list.I'm searching for the Encyclopedia of Meteorites a glossary of all terms about meteorites in english. I'm not enough fluent in english language to create one so I'm searching for a member of the List who could send me his own glossary or one that I could take from his website (of course I put a copyright notice at the top of the glossary).I thank you in advance for your help.Best regards,Pierre-Marie PELEwww.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fukang
Woa! I think I'm love! And the meteorite is nice, too. . . -Walter - - Original Message - From: Platypus Girl To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fukang Wow, wow, wow! What a beauty SuziJoseph Murakami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Joseph Murakami" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comDate: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:49:10 -1000Subject: [meteorite-list] Fukang Just a neat pix of Fukang pallasite I found on this site: http://dolphingaze.blogspot.com/2006/01/work.html Joseph Honolulu__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wandering Gas Giants and Lunar Bombardment
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Aug06/cataclysmDynamics.html Wandering Gas Giants and Lunar Bombardment Planetary Science Research Discoveries August 24, 2006 --- Outward migration of Saturn might have triggered a dramatic increase in the bombardment rate on the Moon 3.9 billion years ago, an idea testable with lunar samples. Written by G. Jeffrey Taylor Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology There may have been a dramatic event early in the history of the Solar System--the intense bombardment of the inner planets and the Moon by planetesimals during a narrow interval between 3.92 and 3.85 billion years ago, called the late heavy bombardment, but also nicknamed the lunar cataclysm. The evidence for this event comes from Apollo lunar samples and lunar meteorites. While not proven, it makes for an interesting working hypothesis. If correct, what caused it to happen? A group of physicists from the Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur (Nice, France), GEA/OV/Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro and Observatório Nacional/MTC (Rio de Janeiro, Brazil), and the Southwest Research Institute (Boulder, Colorado) conducted a series of studies of the dynamics of the early Solar System. Alessandro Morbidelli, Kleomenis Tsiganis, Rodney Gomes, and Harold Levison simulated the migration of Saturn and Jupiter. When the orbits of these giant planets reached the special condition of Saturn making one trip around the Sun for every two trips by Jupiter (called the 1:2 resonance), violent gravitational shoves made the orbits of Neptune and Uranus unstable, causing them to migrate rapidly and scatter countless planetesimals throughout the Solar System. This dramatic event could have happened in a short interval, anywhere from 200 million years to a billion years after planet formation, causing the lunar cataclysm, which would have affected all the inner planets. References: * Tsiganis, K., R. Gomes, A. Morbidelli, and H. F. Levison (2005) Origin of the orbital architecture of the giant planets of the Solar System. Nature, v. 435, p. 459-461. * Morbidelli, A., H. F. Levison, K. Tsiganis, and R. Gomes (2005) Chaotic capture of Jupiter's Trojan asteroids in the early Solar System. Nature, v. 435, p. 462-465. * Gomes, R., H. F. Levison, K. Tsiganis, and A. Morbidelli (2005) Origin of the cataclysmic Late Heavy Bombardment period of the terrestrial planets. Nature, v. 435, p. 466-469. The Lunar Cataclysm There are lots of really old lunar rocks. Ferroan anorthosites, which were the first to accumulate from the ocean of magma surrounding the Moon when it formed, crystallized 4.45 billion years ago (see PSRD article The Oldest Moon Rocks http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/April04/lunarAnorthosites.html.) However, many, many rocks formed by melting during huge impact events, which we call impact melt breccias, have ages that fall into a narrow time interval, between 3.92 and 3.85 billion years. This apparent clustering of ages was first noticed in the mid-1970s by Faroud Tera, Dimitri Papanastassiou, and Gerald Wasserburg (Caltech) who concluded that the ages record an intense bombardment of the Moon. They called it the lunar cataclysm and proposed that it represented a dramatic increase in the rate of bombardment of the Moon around 3.9 billion years ago. More recent work on lunar samples and lunar meteorites generally confirms that there is a dearth of ages for impact melts older than 3.9 billion years (see PSRD article Lunar Meteorites and the Lunar Cataclysm http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Jan01/lunarCataclysm.html.) [lunar basins with ages] The ages of five basins on the Moon have been determined. Other basins are known to be younger than Nectaris and older than Orientale, so at least 12 basins formed between 3.80 and 3.90 billion years ago. Possibly almost all 45 lunar basins formed during this time period. The Cataclysm Skeptics Club The lunar cataclysm is an established, solid idea. Or is it? No, say the voices from the critics' corner. Randy Korotev (Washington University in St. Louis) is skeptical of the whole idea, as was his late colleague Larry Haskin. Korotev thinks we have a hideous sampling problem, and that the Apollo sites were all too close to the Imbrium impact basin. Imbrium is 1300 kilometers in diameter and tossed its continuous ejecta over an area twice that size; see image below. (The basalt flows composing Mare Imbrium make up a thin veneer that covers only part of the impact basin.) They say that all the impact melt breccias we have are associated with the Imbrium impact. No wonder they all have the same age--they were all made by one gigantic event. [map of Imbrium ejecta] The dark blue area surrounding Imbrium basin on this map shows Don Wilhelms' interpretation of the extent of primary ejecta for the Imbrium
Re: [meteorite-list] what is this, really
1) In addition to not having a fusion crust, the object is suspiciously non-lunar in that the clasts are too much all the same size. Lunar regolith breccias are the closest lunar analogs to terrestrial sedimentary rocks, and there is often a superficial resemblance. In many (but not all) terrestrial sediments, however, wind and water processes lead to size sorting so that the clasts are all about the same size. There are no such sorting mechanisms on the Moon. I've called this a fractal effect - it doesn't make any difference what scale you look at a lunar regolith breccia, it always looks the same. To me, in the rock in the photo (asphalt?), there don't seem to be enough big clasts or small clasts, as, for example, in ALHA 81005: http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/alha81005.html I've never heard of meteorite expert mentioned in the blurb. 2) Regarding text of Pluto news release: Although astronomers applauded after the vote, Jocelyn Bell Burnell -- a specialist in neutron stars from Northern Ireland ... How many neutron stars are there in Northern Ireland? Randy Korotev __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WANTED: Estonian Impactites
Hi Folks! Im looking for estonian impactites especially from the Ilumetsa-Crater by Pörgavhaud but also all others. Please let me know what you have (with pictures and prices). Thanks! Ingo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] moss meteorite for private collecters
Good evening list.I just talked to bob haag and another good friend in the meteorite community and I am getting 2 different sides as to what is available for private collecters.This concerns the amount of the new MOSS meteorite that is available.We all know that there so far has been found around 3.1 kilo's so far,and that might be it.Bob haag told me that with some of the big specimens all are going to museums,others are staying put in private collections,and after that there will be less than a kilo for most private collecters.Well good news for me is got my 2.62 gram fragment with crust from mike farmer.So I got my piece of the pie.But on the other end,another friend told me that he alone could get a kilo if he wanted to.Ok so where is that coming from,if there is less that a kilo to the private sector?I need to be educated on this matter.Any help will help! steve arnold,chicago,usa!!Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Illinois meteorites,since 1999! Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Biz
A great idea with a meteor:)http://www.metacafe.com/watch/160134/meteors_money/Cordially,Rick Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] moss meteorite
Well today I am one of the lucky ones.I just received my new MOSS meteorite from norway,via mike farmer.It is a 2.63 gram fragment with really nice black crust.There is not one drop of moisture on it.You can view on my homepage on my website.Thanks again to mike farmer and all the hard work he did. steve arnold,chicago,usa!!Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Illinois meteorites,since 1999! Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
