[meteorite-list] The moon, meteorites, and quotes from a newer list member
Begging a crust NASA has a lot of moon rock, but is it enough? Lucy Heady There's an unassuming building at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, that is home to some exceedingly precious rubble: more than 300 kilograms of lunar rock. The grey fragments of Moon range from fine grains of sand to rocks the size of basketballs. They were brought back between 1969 and 1976, mainly by the US Apollo missions, along with a tiny amount from Russia's robotic Luna missions. Since their arrival, these rocks have helped scientists to understand much of what we know about the Moon today. Data from them were crucial in supporting the idea that the Moon was formed by a giant impact with the early Earth, for example. You might think that after 30 years of analysing and reanalysing these samples mission scientists have learned all they could possibly want know. Not so, says Randy Korotev of Washington University in St Louis. People are developing new techniques all the time, which are helping us to pinpoint the dates of pivotal events in the Moon's history, he says. In 2005, for example, fragments of Apollo rock were used to pin down the exact age of the Moon1. Analysis of the elements halfnium and wolfram in the rock showed that the Moon is 4.527 billion years old, give or take 10 million years an improvement over previous datings of 4.56 to 4.29 billion years. Rock on There is a reasonable but not unlimited amount of rock around for more studies. In total, 382 kilograms of rock have been brought back from the Moon, 99.9% of it by the Apollo missions. About 85% of this is still in storage (mostly at Johnson, with a small amount elsewhere for safe keeping) and has never been exposed to Earth's air. The United States has given away only a tiny proportion of its store (see 'Scattered fragments'), and of the rock that has been loaned out for educational purposes or research, only 1% or so has been destroyed. The samples in storage are kept in a dry nitrogen atmosphere to prevent degradation. And, after a decision made in the 1970s, only three materials - stainless steel, aluminium and Teflon have ever been allowed to come in contact with them: these materials can be easily identified and separated from the lunar rock. Nevertheless, just 1% of the rock at stored at the Johnson Space Center matches up to the strict definition of 'pristine'. Perfect pebbles Pristine rocks are those that have not been altered or changed by the process that broke them free from the Moon's surface explains Gary Lofgren, lunar curator at Johnson. That rules out most samples simply because they are volcanic, and having been belched from a volcano are no longer original crust, or because they have been smashed around by meteoric impacts. In truly pristine samples, says Lofgren, the minerals within the rock have not been disordered; it is an original piece. This enables scientists to get a true picture of the processes that formed the Moon. And whenever new tests are developed, scientists are keen to try them out on pristine rock. In the next five to ten years the scarcity of pristine lunar material will be a real problem; we could easily be in the situation of turning down good research proposals, Lofgren warns. The right variety It's not just quantity and quality that lunar geologists want, they need a better range of rocks too. The Apollo missions landed in a relatively small area of the Moon near the equator, on the Earth-facing side. Scientists have since discovered that this area has an unusually high concentration of radioactive chemicals, making the samples unrepresentative of the Moon as a whole. Lunar meteorites can help to provide information about other parts of the Moon, but these have been altered by whatever process chipped them from the Moon's surface and their entry into our atmosphere. And one cannot tell exactly where such bits of rock have come from. When the Apollo missions were launched, all we had to guide sample collection were photographs and some spectrum data from Earth-based telescopes, says Korotev. Now we are a lot more aware of where the interesting sites are. Likely targets The South Pole-Aitken basin is one tempting site: photographic evidence suggests it is the oldest visible meteorite impact2. Measuring the age of the rock here could help to put a date on when the Moon's crust formed. And samples from the lunar poles would reveal whether there is or is not any water on the Moon. So do President George W. Bush's plans to return to the Moon and head on to Mars offer hope to geologists? Korotev isn't overly optimistic. NASA's plan for planetary exploration is not science driven, it's driven by the aim of getting to Mars. It is true that samples from anywhere not near the Apollo landing sites would give us new information but they wouldn't necessarily help answer a specific question, he says. It may take a long time to tick off Korotev's wish list.
[meteorite-list] La Lande meteorite
Hi, I have been offered a 19.5g ex-AML slice of La Lande. Please see: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/DSCN46892.JPG http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/DSCN46903.JPG http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/DSCN46925.JPG I haven't a clue what would be a fair price for this - anyone can help? thanks dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Auctions on ebay : a few hours left...
Hello List, Only a couple of hours left on a selection of cool NWA 869 (slices, individuals) still at a lw price. And also two nice Juvinas slices and one Bilanga with crust for sale on ebay. Shipment worldwide is also possible. Add 4 euros to the shipment prices indicated in the auctions. Check out these at http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=moky99 Regards, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:22:19 -0700, you wrote: As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) Looking back through my e-mail archives (I remember trying to find a source for these a couple of years back) they USED to be sold with the liners by someone, but they stopped selling them. The seller had been buying the empty boxes and cutting the liners himself, IIRC. Here is the source for the boxes themselves: http://www.amacbox.com/products/mseries/522C.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest
Hello List, The basaltic meteorite NWA 011 was first available to the collecting community as mg-sized shavings from Serge Afanasiev in Tucson 2003. At that time I received a 1 mg specimen which is still displayed on my NWA 011 webpage (http://meteoritestudies.com/protected_NWA011.HTM). In June of this year I was given a nice sized crusted specimen 560 times larger, now also displayed on my webpage. When I received this nice chunk there were three other smaller fragments that had been detached at some point in its history (now I sound like another list member). I had considered these pieces to be scientifically significant since they were so large in my perspective compared to my initial 1 mg specimen -- they weigh 40, 51, and 72 mg. Now that there are several large paired stones from this fall I no longer consider these fragments to be of any significance except to my fellow collectors who have none. Since I was kindly gifted these pieces, I am offering two of them to two lucky list members for no charge, and I will pay the shipping and include a 38mm membrane box container. The two faces of the first offering, the 0.051 g piece, with one side of fusion crust, is shown at the following link: http://meteoritestudies.com/GIVE011.JPG The second specimen I will give is the smaller 0.040 g piece, which also has a fusion crusted side. I did not scan this piece but it's appearance is similar to that shown above. Now, I don't know who among you would be excited to add a NWA 011 micromount to their collection, rather than ebaying it for a quick $52 profit (e.g., Greg Hupe infers his 530 g paired stone could sell for upwards of $1,000/g). Therefore, I will request an e-mail telling me a little something of your collection intentions, just a short paragraph or two at most. I never participated in this kind of stupid essay-based contest myself, but I do see its value in a situation such as this. I will probably lean towards those with smaller collections and new to the meteorite collecting activity because I do realize these are small representative pieces. I will accept e-mails for consideration until this Tuesday, September 5, at noon Eastern Daylight Time. I look forward to hearing from some of you. David Weir http://www.meteoritestudies.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest
Dear David and List Members, David wrote: (e.g., Greg Hupe infers his 530 g paired stone could sell for upwards of $1,000/g). To clarify David's statement, I wrote in my AD that I was accepting offers for my 530-gram NWA 011 pairing and that ... (One of the pairings was recently being offered at $1,000.00 per gram). Here is a link to a photo of the 530 gram complete stone: http://www.lunarrock.com/gh-231/gh-231.jpg I did not write that I was expecting $1000.00 per gram or that I thought it should go for that much. In fact, I expect it to sell for much, much...much lower than $1,000.00 per gram even if I end up cutting it and offering slices to collectors. I hope this clears up any misconceptions that there may have been. I am still accepting offers on this beautiful ungrouped meteorite so do not be bashful. I will consider part trades also. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest Hello List, The basaltic meteorite NWA 011 was first available to the collecting community as mg-sized shavings from Serge Afanasiev in Tucson 2003. At that time I received a 1 mg specimen which is still displayed on my NWA 011 webpage (http://meteoritestudies.com/protected_NWA011.HTM). In June of this year I was given a nice sized crusted specimen 560 times larger, now also displayed on my webpage. When I received this nice chunk there were three other smaller fragments that had been detached at some point in its history (now I sound like another list member). I had considered these pieces to be scientifically significant since they were so large in my perspective compared to my initial 1 mg specimen -- they weigh 40, 51, and 72 mg. Now that there are several large paired stones from this fall I no longer consider these fragments to be of any significance except to my fellow collectors who have none. Since I was kindly gifted these pieces, I am offering two of them to two lucky list members for no charge, and I will pay the shipping and include a 38mm membrane box container. The two faces of the first offering, the 0.051 g piece, with one side of fusion crust, is shown at the following link: http://meteoritestudies.com/GIVE011.JPG The second specimen I will give is the smaller 0.040 g piece, which also has a fusion crusted side. I did not scan this piece but it's appearance is similar to that shown above. Now, I don't know who among you would be excited to add a NWA 011 micromount to their collection, rather than ebaying it for a quick $52 profit (e.g., Greg Hupe infers his 530 g paired stone could sell for upwards of $1,000/g). Therefore, I will request an e-mail telling me a little something of your collection intentions, just a short paragraph or two at most. I never participated in this kind of stupid essay-based contest myself, but I do see its value in a situation such as this. I will probably lean towards those with smaller collections and new to the meteorite collecting activity because I do realize these are small representative pieces. I will accept e-mails for consideration until this Tuesday, September 5, at noon Eastern Daylight Time. I look forward to hearing from some of you. David Weir http://www.meteoritestudies.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest
Hello Greg, Thanks for the clarification, and if you really mean much, much...much lower than $1,000.00 per gram, then perhaps my initial estimate of its value of $300/g is right on the money. I was laughed out of Terry Boswell's Tucson room when I told him that $300/g was a fair price after he and his partner Farrell proposed 10 times that amount per gram for me ($1000 for a third gram to be specific). I did hear he reduced his price to $2000/g after that. It seems that's generally the rule though, 'wait for the initial prices to fall', as they most often do. Maybe some of you newer collectors can take advantage of this often learned lesson from some of us longtime collectors who sometimes spent more than we needed to. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest
Hello Greg, Maybe not a 1000 a gram, but definitely they are all pictures of much, much more than a 1000 words, essay or not. Here's hoping your beauty never launches a 1000 chips, and continues surviving at least as long as 1001 nights in Araby. Best wishes, Doug Greg wrote: I did not write that I was expecting $1000.00 per gram or that I thought it should go for that much. In fact, I expect it to sell for much, much...much lower than $1,000.00 per gram even if I end up cutting it and offering slices to collectors. http://www.lunarrock.com/gh-231/gh-231.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest
Dear David, Doug and List, NWA 011 was a mere 40 grams, then came NWA 2400 at 136 grams. After that came NWA 2976 at 219 grams and last but not least, the largest one to date, my 530 gram pairing. As each stone has been discovered (or brought to market), the size seems to double each time so I hardly think the original asking price would be appropriate, that is why I am asking for offers. I believe it is a fair way to do it for anyone who may be interested. On that note, if I do end up cutting it to offer slices to collectors, I would like to hear from anyone who is interested in a slice and what you think the whole stone and/or slices should be priced at. Please do this off list as I do not want this tying up the list bandwidth and annoying those who are not interested. Best regards and Thank You for your thoughts, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 011 micro contest Hello Greg, Thanks for the clarification, and if you really mean much, much...much lower than $1,000.00 per gram, then perhaps my initial estimate of its value of $300/g is right on the money. I was laughed out of Terry Boswell's Tucson room when I told him that $300/g was a fair price after he and his partner Farrell proposed 10 times that amount per gram for me ($1000 for a third gram to be specific). I did hear he reduced his price to $2000/g after that. It seems that's generally the rule though, 'wait for the initial prices to fall', as they most often do. Maybe some of you newer collectors can take advantage of this often learned lesson from some of us longtime collectors who sometimes spent more than we needed to. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
Mike, Please check Marcin Cimala's web site: http://www.polandmet.com/_box.htm Not exactly the same size, but he has a very good selection to choose from. Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
Mike and list members, Sorry... I should have added this to the previous email. Mike Farmer had previously sent me this link for acrylic display boxes. http://www.kassoy.com/displays/displays06c.html Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
In a message dated 9/2/2006 1:02:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, Please check Marcin Cimala's web site: http://www.polandmet.com/_box.htm Not exactly the same size, but he has a very good selection to choose from. Regards, Dave -- Mike, I get mine from MINRESCO. That page is currently unavailable, so you might have to call Sharon Cisneros. I hope this helps. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
They also sell micro membrane boxes at $36.00/dozen. Our price for one dozen is $24.00, with even better prices on quantity, We are the only factory licensed distributor in the U,S. Price speaks for itself. Ron Hartman www.membranebox.com - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Mike and list members, Sorry... I should have added this to the previous email. Mike Farmer had previously sent me this link for acrylic display boxes. http://www.kassoy.com/displays/displays06c.html Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes
Hi Ron, Your boxes are TOPS! However, I do have some existing collections with dozens and dozens already in these 2 X 2 macromounts and I am not going to change horses mid stream - of course, I use yours for other stuff and new collections. they are particularly desirable because you can view the specimen at nearly 360 degrees in all directions, and they also provide phenomenal protection in mailing specimens. However, Ed Deckert has given me a lead I believe will pay off - have to wait until business hrs Monday, but it looks good - thanks a ton, Ed. Best wishes to all, Michael on 9/2/06 3:05 PM, R. N. Hartman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They also sell micro membrane boxes at $36.00/dozen. Our price for one dozen is $24.00, with even better prices on quantity, We are the only factory licensed distributor in the U,S. Price speaks for itself. Ron Hartman www.membranebox.com - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Mike and list members, Sorry... I should have added this to the previous email. Mike Farmer had previously sent me this link for acrylic display boxes. http://www.kassoy.com/displays/displays06c.html Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Macromount boxes Greetings all, Quite a while back there was a discussion about macromount display boxes. They are clear, measure 50mm X 50mm and stand 18mm high ( 2 X 2 X 5/8ths)- all outer measurements. However, it is next to impossible to find them available WITH internal white (or black, for that matter) foam padding - they are empty and require tedious cutting of quilting stuffing which is difficult to cut perfectly and often gets white curly hair like fibers on the display piece. As I recall - people only spoke of finding them as a rumor - and I tried to buy some from some list member, but they were all used with gummy label stickum all over them - yuck! Does ANYONE know where these things can be purchased (preferably by the 50s or 100s) I would be ever so grateful. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. -- Is our children learning? I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully. More and more of our imports come from overseas. The very act of spending money can be expensive. George W. Bush -- Blind Faith in bad leadership is NOT Patriotism -- Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism. Thomas Jefferson -- What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on the Moon
Hi, The crash did not occur at 1041 PDT (0841 CDT, 0741 EDT). The correction to clear the crater, according to this source: http://technocrat.net/d/2006/9/2/7440 and three others in the last hour or two, has delayed the impact until 01:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 EDT which is 12:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 CDT which is 11:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 PDT which is 09:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 HAWAII This will also shift the areas from which it can be viewed to the West. Where I am, the Moon will be below the horizon then. Good luck if you're trying to get a look at it! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on the Moon http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9891-how-to-observe-smart1s-impact-on-the-moon.html The expected impact time is 1041 PDT on Saturday (0541 GMT on Sunday). However, mission planners are performing one last burn on Friday to raise the spacecraft's orbit by 600 metres and prevent an early crash. We want to be sure we avoid this rim, [Clausius crater] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon
Sterling: Central eastern times are later than Pacific, not earlier! The Moon will be in the middle of Sagittarius's teapot and at 22 degrees elevation in the skies of St. Louis MO at 12:41 - 12:43 AM CDT. That'll be pretty due south of you. And it looks like you've changed the time by 2 minutes from what Ron's news article said, since you made central time two hours earlier than pacific when it is two hours later. So you should be ok. Yeah, they were sloppy with the news article since they didn't put PM in the 10:41 (GMT 05:41) comment, but all seems ok, and still waiting to happen tonight. Clear skies, Doug - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon Hi, The crash did not occur at 1041 PDT (0841 CDT, 0741 EDT). The correction to clear the crater, according to this source: http://technocrat.net/d/2006/9/2/7440 and three others in the last hour or two, has delayed the impact until 01:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 EDT which is 12:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 CDT which is 11:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 PDT which is 09:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 HAWAII This will also shift the areas from which it can be viewed to the West. Where I am, the Moon will be below the horizon then. Good luck if you're trying to get a look at it! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on the Moon http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9891-how-to-observe-smart1s-impac t-on-the-moon.html The expected impact time is 1041 PDT on Saturday (0541 GMT on Sunday). However, mission planners are performing one last burn on Friday to raise the spacecraft's orbit by 600 metres and prevent an early crash. We want to be sure we avoid this rim, [Clausius crater] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon
WHOops - it is only 3 degrees above the horizon in St. Louis. Sorry! But it seems to be just a difference of 2 minutes and the time is as promised. It will be 10 degrees high in Denver, and 12 degrees high in Houston, which pretty much draws the diagonal across the States positive to the west, on who can see it and to the east who can't from what I can figure... Doug - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon Hi, The crash did not occur at 1041 PDT (0841 CDT, 0741 EDT). The correction to clear the crater, according to this source: http://technocrat.net/d/2006/9/2/7440 and three others in the last hour or two, has delayed the impact until 01:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 EDT which is 12:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 CDT which is 11:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 PDT which is 09:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 HAWAII This will also shift the areas from which it can be viewed to the West. Where I am, the Moon will be below the horizon then. Good luck if you're trying to get a look at it! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on the Moon http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9891-how-to-observe-smart1s-impac t-on-the-moon.html The expected impact time is 1041 PDT on Saturday (0541 GMT on Sunday). However, mission planners are performing one last burn on Friday to raise the spacecraft's orbit by 600 metres and prevent an early crash. We want to be sure we avoid this rim, [Clausius crater] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon
Doug, At my location (roughly 40 N, 90 W, the Moon was due south at 8 PM CDT. Currently (11:45 PM CDT), it's west of SW and low. It will set here at 12:06 AM (09-03-06) CDT. Impact will occur at 12:41-12:45 AM when the Moon is below my horizon. (Not that it matters; I had cloud cover.) My pacific times ARE earlier than eastern ones. Look at the days and dates. I DID omit the Mountain time zone, though... Sorry, Colorado, Wyoming, etc. (Clear sky country!) They should have read: 01:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 EDT 12:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 CDT 11:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 MDT 10:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 PDT 08:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 HAWAII The latest items I Googled gave impact times with minutes ranging from H:41 to H:45, so there must be some uncertainty. I went with the median. Or, put it this way, 40 minutes to go until impact. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon Sterling: Central eastern times are later than Pacific, not earlier! The Moon will be in the middle of Sagittarius's teapot and at 22 degrees elevation in the skies of St. Louis MO at 12:41 - 12:43 AM CDT. That'll be pretty due south of you. And it looks like you've changed the time by 2 minutes from what Ron's news article said, since you made central time two hours earlier than pacific when it is two hours later. So you should be ok. Yeah, they were sloppy with the news article since they didn't put PM in the 10:41 (GMT 05:41) comment, but all seems ok, and still waiting to happen tonight. Clear skies, Doug - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW TIME! How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on theMoon Hi, The crash did not occur at 1041 PDT (0841 CDT, 0741 EDT). The correction to clear the crater, according to this source: http://technocrat.net/d/2006/9/2/7440 and three others in the last hour or two, has delayed the impact until 01:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 EDT which is 12:43 AM SUN SEPT 3 CDT which is 11:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 PDT which is 09:43 PM SAT SEPT 2 HAWAII This will also shift the areas from which it can be viewed to the West. Where I am, the Moon will be below the horizon then. Good luck if you're trying to get a look at it! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How To Observe SMART-1's Impact on the Moon http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9891-how-to-observe-smart1s-impac t-on-the-moon.html The expected impact time is 1041 PDT on Saturday (0541 GMT on Sunday). However, mission planners are performing one last burn on Friday to raise the spacecraft's orbit by 600 metres and prevent an early crash. We want to be sure we avoid this rim, [Clausius crater] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 3-D Video of 530g NWA 011 Pairing
Dear List Members, I have been experimenting with a new digital camera I just got and made a 3-D video of the 530-gram pairing to NWA 011. Here is the link to an AVI file that can be viewed with Media Player or other software that supports the AVI format: http://www.lunarrock.com/gh-231/gh-231video.avi Give it time to load as the file is somewhat large but worth the look. Kind of neat! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3-D Video of 530g NWA 011 Pairing
On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:28:54 -0400, you wrote: I have been experimenting with a new digital camera I just got and made a 3-D video of the 530-gram pairing to NWA 011. Wow, very well done. Looks like professional work. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3-D Video of 530g NWA 011 Pairing
Hi Darren and List, Thanks Darren for the compliment. I have been at it all day and evening. I had to make the gadgets and figure out a new camera, then experiment with lighting, background colors, file size, etc. I have a 40mb file that flows nicer than this 9mb and is in 640x480 mode so the image is larger but it takes forever to load. This is kind of a nice alternative to making a casting of a meteorite before cutting, thus preserving the complete stone for prosperity. Enjoy, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 3-D Video of 530g NWA 011 Pairing On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:28:54 -0400, you wrote: I have been experimenting with a new digital camera I just got and made a 3-D video of the 530-gram pairing to NWA 011. Wow, very well done. Looks like professional work. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
