[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay auctions
Hello List, there are a few auctions of me ending soon. If you are interested take a look, for example i have: Juanita de Angeles, Chondrite H5, Mexico http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027716740rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Dhofar 935, Chondrite H5, slice 33.7g. many shockveins http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027715831rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Capot Rey, Niger, slice 15.9g. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027005787rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Allende, small slice with beautiful CAI's http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027011848rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Tafassasset, very unusual Achondrite or CR, 12.8g. slice http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027036226rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Brahin, unusual big slice, 56.9g. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027041147rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Oriented NWA, Chondrite, very cool shape! http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027043085rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NWA 3189, LL3.2 - 3.4, 7.9g. slice http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320027043567rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Santa Vitoria do Palmar, brand-new, recent find from Brazil.Highly unequilibrated L3 Chondrite. Tkw is 39Kg's but much much less material will reach the market. http://cgi.ebay.de/Meteorite-Santa-Vitoria-do-Palmar-Chondrite-L3-BRAZIL_W0QQitemZ320028017534QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Many thanks for your interest! Carsten. -- gipo-meteorites Carsten Giessler email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gi-po.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
It's amazing you got it at all. Some postal workers chuck packages that are found in the cracks so late. My most vintage delivery was a bit over 7 months. It was from Los Angeles, lost in Utah, Ogden was the last postmark if I remember correctly. Congratulations on your new acquisition, Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
the same for me, 2 packs of meteorites lost years ago why he have sent via ordinary mail - no track - and not via registered how I jave ask me. No money seen back. Matteo --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: So, the only meteorite purchase I've had lost in the mail was one from Michael Cottingham from Ebay. I go to the mailbox today, though, and the package is there. Dirty, torn, and taped and with a postmark of January 31st, 2005. One year seven and a half months for the package to cross the US. Who can beat that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD ebay Items- Some with Free Micro Pic's CD!
Hello List, I have 15 auctions ending in the next couple days. Most are micro's, including Norton County, Mt Egerton, Gold Basin, Franconia, and some African unclassifieds. Several include a free Micro-Pic'sCD showing the magnified interior of the specimen, pretty cool! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZalienrockfarmQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0? Thanks, Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new meteorite website and new meteorite forum
Hello List, I am just inviting everyone on the list to join my new meteorite forum. It is just about two weeks old and we have about 17 members. It is not just for illinois meteorite hunters and collectors, it is for everyone. There are contest where you can win meteorites and related items. You can report a fireball, sell/trade/buy meteorites and related items. You can talk about anything meteorite related or even try to get your meteorite/meteorwrong identified. Check it out the link is below. By the way I am still looking for photos of IL meteorite photos for my main site. Bob Evans, if you read this could you please resend me those photos?, when I clicked on the link it took me to my yahoo photos. Thanks for your time and help.Here are the links to the main site: http://illinoismeteorites.com Or the meteorite hunters and collectors forum here: http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.plThanks,Joe Kerchner__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] China Plans To Send Spacecraft To Study Asteroids
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-09/18/content_5106072.htm China plans to send spacecraft to study asteroids www.chinaview.cn September 18, 2006 BEIJING, Sept.18 (Xinhua) -- China's space scientists plan to develop spacecraft to study asteroids in the near future, according to experts at the annual conference of the China Association for Science and Technology. The Beijing Morning Post on Monday quoted an unnamed expert with the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. as saying the study of asteroids or comets had been listed on China's space program. The Chinese spacecraft would probably land on the asteroids or crash into minor planets, similar to the Deep Impact mission of NASA, said the expert. On July 4 last year, the Deep Impact spacecraft arrived at Comet Temel 1, impacting with a mass of 370 kg. The study of asteroids was significant to the search for life outside the Earth, said experts. Japan has also sent spacecraft to probe asteroids. Asteroids are rock and metallic objects that orbit the Sun, butare too small to be considered planets. They are known as minor planets and range in size from Ceres, with a diameter of about 1,000 km, down to the size of pebbles. Sixteen asteroids have a diameter of at least 240 km. They have been found inside the Earth's orbit to beyond Saturn's orbit. Most, however, are contained within a main belt between the orbitsof Mars and Jupiter. Some have orbits that cross the Earth's path and some have even hit the Earth in times past. Asteroids are material left over from the formation of the solar system.Much of mankind's understanding of asteroids comes from examining pieces of space debris that fall to the surface of Earth. Because asteroids are material from the very early solar system, scientists are interested in their composition. Before 1991 the only information obtained on asteroids was through Earth-based observations. Then in October 1991, asteroid 951 Gaspra was visited by the Galileo spacecraft and became the first asteroid subject to high-resolution images. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
One year seven and a half months for the package to cross the US. Who can beat that? I got one of my packages from a well known US-dealer ;) after three months, with inside notice: This package was opened by the AUSTRALIAN customs. Around the world and still not unbelievably late. They do have fast carrier pigeons there ;) Greetings from AUSTRIA Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
I beat everyone so far. Four Christmases ago, I got a package from my parents; not unusual, but the postmark was from 2 seasons prior! Talk about some stale marzipan! Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
On Wednesday, October 01, 2003, Mike Farmer sent out my NWA 1909 (AEUC) and my NWA 1943 (AHOW) specimens. The package did make it safely across the Big Pond but on October 21, 2003, I wrote to Mike that the German customs authorities were withholding the specimens and I was battling with them over my comment that there was no commercial value involved and their idiotic response that everything had a value. By November 10, 2003, the package had got lost somewhere between Tucson and my home town here in Germany after the customs idiots had agreed they would send it to us via mail. It never arrived. Lots of telephone calls but to no avail although I had the photo copy from the customs dudes with all the details (sender, contents, etc.). More calls and the information that the package was probably on its way back to Tucson. The customs dudes said that if it didn't show up here or in Tucson sooner or later, the sender would have to start a tracer. Wednesday, December 17, 2003, Mike wrote that the meteorites had just arrived back to him and that the customs idiot had removed the packaging so that the meteorites (worth $600!) were loose in the box which was smashed - fortunately the meteorites were fine, not damaged. The customs people were not the culprits this time. That honor goes to the German mail company. There must have been a potential thief who opened Christmas mail that looked promising (precious metals, jewelry, money, etc.). Meteorites were just worthless and meaningless stuff so he chucked them back into the torn package (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites :-) My meteorites were shipped again, and, unbelievable but nonetheless true: Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2003, NWA 1909 and NWA 1943 finally arrived (again) after this transaltantic odyssey which lasted only three months! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
At 01:57 PM 18/09/2006, Bernd wrote: The customs people were not the culprits this time. That honor goes to the German mail company. There must have been a potential thief who opened Christmas mail that looked promising (precious metals, jewelry, money, etc.). Meteorites were just worthless and meaningless stuff so he chucked them back into the torn package (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites :-) My favourite story about Canada Post: around Christmas 1990, someone sent their family member in Vancouver a 35mm camera with a roll of film. Both were in a box, wrapped in Christmas wrapping paper and the gift was put in a second box. The family member did receive the camera on time for Christmas and began taking pictures for the Holidays. When the film was developped, there were several photos of people the family member did not know, had never met and certainly never photographed. Further, these photos were taken in a building into which he had never been. Then the mystery was solved: Canada Post employees opened the box, saw the gift and carefully opened it, took the camera, loaded the film and took pictures of themselves at work, rewrapped the gift, repackaged it and delivered it. When this was published in the Montreal Gazette, the article also mentioned a complaint a possibly a lawsuit would be filed. I never heard any follow-up to that story. I suspect this one will be hard to beat ! Andre Bordeleau -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 15/09/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Awesome solar transit image of Atlantis and ISS
Hi All, For those who don't regularly check spaceweather.com, it's a worth a quick visit today to see the terrific shot taken by Thierry Legault from Normandie, France, of Atlantis separated from ISS as both transit the sun! The resolution is surprisingly good! http://spaceweather.com/ --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
Bernd wrote: finally arrived (again) after this transaltantic odyssey which lasted only three months! Awww:-) ! I love those tearful stories like Bernd's above that have storybook-happy endings! Reminds me of the time the most gentlemanly German sent to the US the most exciting sample meteorite that I had been pursuing to the ends of the world. It arrived in 3 or 4 days !! Talk about meteoric speed! My case: I ordered a photocopy of a short, old article from a library reprint service in Washington DC for the painful amount of $25 including rush global priority mail service. It was sent the same day, and I got it slightly over 3 months later. This prompted me to initiate an outraged inquisition on why the capital of the USA can't send mail to the most important industrial city in Mexico that basically makes a great portion of their cars, washing machines, electronics, etc. etc., and has half of US Dow Jones 30 corporate headquarters in the outskirts which is probably 50% of the GDP from Ohio and Michigan and the rest of the US iron belt. Not to mention - for example - is much closer to DC than Tucson to them. The purported answers: The Mexican and US Postal Services have terrible relations at the border mail transfer points. Each one fingers the other and no one wants to improve. There is NO responsibility on either side. A truck is sent sporadically from the receiving side to pick up mail supposedly twice a week the ONLY two transfer centers along one of the longest bi-national borders in the world, and top three of international commerce (USA-Mex). It is sent when (i) either the mail fills up the storage area and starts going through the chimneys, doors and windows or (ii) when there happens to be a truck in the area with a driver who wants to work. From the USA transfer cities, it passes sealed through my city on the way into Mexican sorting facilities deep in the country (Mexico City) and then it is sent back in my case by the same route it came in. At the transfer points is the real problem - each nation does little to worry about the mail that gets stuck inside the warehouse floorboards or that gets stomped on or blown into the corners, what order it arrives in or is sent out (frequently making it an effective FIFO inventory system). In other words, complete international irresponsibility bi-directionally. The Mexican side often defends itself saying, we are a government agency and US Mail is private (yes it is usps.com, not .gov), and they are driven by cold capitalistic business decision. We may be a day or two slower internally but we depend on them to call us when the mail warehouse is full, well, of course we won't go until we get a trailer full of mail ourselves since we aren't just backhaulers. I suspect the US side thinks alike, if not feigning convenient ignorance, or if they don't just dismiss the possibility of even questioning their equally empty boasting of being the greatest cheapest service in the world. So Postal services seem to be bored of fulfilling the obligations worldwide... Best wishes, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MOSS-y Again !!!
Eric Twelker has just put up another batch of beautiful, fresh, pristine MOSS CO3.5 (provisional!) chondrites. Hurry up, I know they will go fast. MOS2-5 is already gone! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
Hello Everyone, I have my own horror story about mail/package delivery but unlike most others I must take part of the blame. Not long after the 9/11 attacks here in America, I sent two large irons to Norway and Philedelphia. They never made it. What was I thinking? I was trying to send two large chunks of iron across America and across the Atlantic Ocean. I can only imagine the anxieties the packages must have produced when the x-ray machines were sounding off like crazy. Fortunatley, they were insured but trying to get the US Post Office to make good on a claim was another horror story. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Denver Goodies
Come on you guys, Lets hear who got some cool stuff in Denver , and when is it for sale ? I know Mike F. got some sweet stuff. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
Hi Bernd, (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites You are right. This is how I judge whether to dismiss these stories that make it to the list. Sort of like Hollywood vs. reality. Who was it that had their apartment broken into and items where stolen, except the meteorites? Was it you, Martin? -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story On Wednesday, October 01, 2003, Mike Farmer sent out my NWA 1909 (AEUC) and my NWA 1943 (AHOW) specimens. The package did make it safely across the Big Pond but on October 21, 2003, I wrote to Mike that the German customs authorities were withholding the specimens and I was battling with them over my comment that there was no commercial value involved and their idiotic response that everything had a value. By November 10, 2003, the package had got lost somewhere between Tucson and my home town here in Germany after the customs idiots had agreed they would send it to us via mail. It never arrived. Lots of telephone calls but to no avail although I had the photo copy from the customs dudes with all the details (sender, contents, etc.). More calls and the information that the package was probably on its way back to Tucson. The customs dudes said that if it didn't show up here or in Tucson sooner or later, the sender would have to start a tracer. Wednesday, December 17, 2003, Mike wrote that the meteorites had just arrived back to him and that the customs idiot had removed the packaging so that the meteorites (worth $600!) were loose in the box which was smashed - fortunately the meteorites were fine, not damaged. The customs people were not the culprits this time. That honor goes to the German mail company. There must have been a potential thief who opened Christmas mail that looked promising (precious metals, jewelry, money, etc.). Meteorites were just worthless and meaningless stuff so he chucked them back into the torn package (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites :-) My meteorites were shipped again, and, unbelievable but nonetheless true: Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2003, NWA 1909 and NWA 1943 finally arrived (again) after this transaltantic odyssey which lasted only three months! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOSS-y Again !!!
Mine should arrive from Eric later this week! -Walter - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MOSS-y Again !!! Eric Twelker has just put up another batch of beautiful, fresh, pristine MOSS CO3.5 (provisional!) chondrites. Hurry up, I know they will go fast. MOS2-5 is already gone! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] missing everything except meteorites
It was BERNHARD REMS from austria. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Illinois meteorites,since 1999! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
In a message dated 9/18/2006 10:04:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One year seven and a half months for the package to cross the US. Who can beat that? I got one of my packages from a well known US-dealer ;) after three months, with inside notice: This package was opened by the AUSTRALIAN customs. Around the world and still not unbelievably late. They do have fast carrier pigeons there ;) Greetings from AUSTRIA Stefan I once sent a small package to Peru, Indiana. Of course it went to Lima Peru, where someone stamped it address unknown and sent it back to the Dead Mail center in Miami. There some smart person noticed the address and sent it on its way. It arrived one month late, in perfect shape. I would like to have the frequent flyer miles that package earned! Another one sent to Texas came back with the notice Customs Declaration is missing. We have always known that Texas is different but when did it become independent?;-) Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package Another one sent to Texas came back with the notice Customs Declaration is missing. We have always known that Texas is different but when did it become independent?;-) Anne M. Black --- Hi, Anne, List As any Texan would be happy to tell you, March 2, 1836! The Texas Declaration of Independence was produced, literally, overnight. Its urgency was paramount, because while it was being prepared, the Alamo in San Antonio was under seige by Santa Anna's Army of Mexico. Immediately upon the assemblage of the Convention of 1836 on March 1, a committee of five of its delegates were appointed to draft the document. The committee, consisting of George C. Childress, Edward Conrad, James Gaines, Bailey Hardeman, and Collin McKinney, prepared the declaration in record time. It was briefly reviewed, then adopted by the delegates of the convention the following day. The document parallels somewhat that of the United States, signed almost sixty years earlier. It contains statements on the function and responsibility of government, followed by a list of grievances. Finally, it concludes by declaring Texas a free and independent republic. Full text at: http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/tdoi.htm Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2003 EL61, IN PERSON
Hi, Here we've been wasting time talking about who found 2003 EL61 with not one word about the strangest planet in the solar system (dwarf or not) itself! This is an utterly fascinating place! First of all, there's its shape... Is it round? No, Is it irregular? No. Is it squished? Well, sort of. Its dimensions are 1960 km one way, 1518 km the other, and 996 km through the axis of rotation. Hmm, can you picture that? Neither can I. So, here's a picture of the shape of 2003 EL61: http://hepwww.physics.yale.edu/quest/sedna/2003_el61.html Now, if you spin something fast enough (and EL61 spins in under 4 hours per dizzy) and it's stretchy, you end up with a shape like a squashed ball, or an oblate spheroid (or ellipsoid). The Earth is so slightly squashed that it looks round, but Jupiter appears squashed to the human eye. But 2003 EL61 is not a squashed ball, round and flattened. No, it's much longer one way across than the other way across. If it were made of ice or any substance that would move, even very slowly, when force is applied to it, it couldn't maintain this shape; it would even out over time. Likewise, if it was a giant pile of rubble, it would adjust to the forces and be round and flattened. And, there is an upper size limit to a rubble-loid, where the energy needed to create rubble is so great it scatters everything, so no rubble nor planet is left. Whatever 2003 EL61 is made of, it has to be stiff enough to hold this shape as it whirls around every 3.9154 hours. That creates a huge amount of force. 2003 EL61 is almost as big as Pluto, the long way. If it was just round (Why can't you be like all the OTHER planets?), it would be 1500 kilometers across, bigger than Ceres, bigger than Charon. It has to be VERY stiff. We can calculate just how stiff it has to be to hold on its elliptical midriff bulge while spinning, figure out its modulus of rigidity and then look to see what materials are that stiff. The answer is ROCK, rock of a high density. The estimates run from a density of 2.6 to 3.4 gm/cm^3. For comparison, our Moon has a density of about 3.3 gm/cm^3. Forget the iceball notion. There can't be more than a smidge of volatiles in its composition (like the Earth). The actual value is likely to be the highest or a higher density, otherwise the planet would be right on the borderline of being able to hold together and any of the ordinary moderately big impacts you expect every billion years or so would have shattered it. The currently favored explanation for the rapid rotation is a giant impact. Likewise, the existence of two moons circling 2003 EL61 is attributed to a giant impact, like our Moon, like Pluto and Charon; it's the moon-maker of choice these days... But, the force of an impact great enough to spin 2003 EL 61 up to this speed is great enough to melt a rock body, and if it had melted, the spin would have evened it out to a round but flattened ball. Even if it hadn't melted, the rock would have been soft enough to creep into a uniform oblate spheroid. The problem is, even though we can figure out how stiff 2003 EL61 has to be to hold onto its odd shape, that doesn't explain how it got that shape in the first place... There are two ways out of this dilemma: 1.) Since resolution is poor at this distance, it could be that 2003 EL61 is a body that has been roughly chipped away by multiple impacts into its present odd tri-axial shape, just as Vesta seems to have been partially shaped by impacts (the south pole crater). Is 2003 EL 61 a Super Vesta? But a chipped shape formed by multiple impacts into a form so very extreme, with a ratio 4:3:2 for its axes, and a chipped shape that size, 1000 to 2000 km, would likely be shattered by multiple impacts strong enough to give it this extreme shape, if it were only a rockball. This leaves us with the other alternative: 2.) 2003 EL 61 IS a Super Vesta! That is, 2003 EL61 is a fully differentiated planetary body, with a rocky mantle and a iron-nickel core. Their densities are almost the same (3.4 for 2003 EL61 vs. 3.4 for Vesta). As far as we know, the only way you can get an extreme tri-axial shape is in bodies whose density is far so from being uniform that the mass distribution distorts a two-axis ellipsoid of revolution (ellipses having only two axes) into that tri-axial shape -- in other words, it seems inevitable that one would have to conclude EL61 is a differentiated body. Look at that picture at that URL above. Imagine it as a composite of a round but flattened center section that is a 1000 km by 1500 km oblate spheroid with two waves on opposite sides of the globe, waves that rise 250 kilometers high from the oblate surface, like the (very much smaller!) tidal bulges the Moon raises in the Earth's oceans. We pretty well have to assume that the spin-up impact and the moon-forming impact are one and the same impact. These Moon-forming impacts
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - September 19, 2006
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Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Goodies
I picked up a few items today as some dealers were leaving. The show is done and in my opinion, was only so-so. Some items I purchased: 3 CV3s, a new CR, Kainsaz slabs, a few hundred kgs of Campos, CK, LL3, Dhofar eucrites, Seymchan, Paragould, Ensisheim, couple other odds and ends. The NWA stuff was really pretty lousy and the quantites are very low. Saw Mike and Jim's silicated..was pretty nice. Was a pleasure to talk with quite a few collectors and dealers as always. On to Tucson! Matt Morgan Bob Evans wrote: Come on you guys, Lets hear who got some cool stuff in Denver , and when is it for sale ? I know Mike F. got some sweet stuff. Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story
Hi Walter, Not this Martin. But I seem to remember the tale as well. I hope I won't have a story to add here, but I might have one in the works. I mailed a meteorite to San Diego about a month ago and, you guessed it, we're still waiting. Cheers, Martin On 9/18/06, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernd, (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites You are right. This is how I judge whether to dismiss these stories that make it to the list. Sort of like Hollywood vs. reality. Who was it that had their apartment broken into and items where stolen, except the meteorites? Was it you, Martin? -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unbelievably late package - my story On Wednesday, October 01, 2003, Mike Farmer sent out my NWA 1909 (AEUC) and my NWA 1943 (AHOW) specimens. The package did make it safely across the Big Pond but on October 21, 2003, I wrote to Mike that the German customs authorities were withholding the specimens and I was battling with them over my comment that there was no commercial value involved and their idiotic response that everything had a value. By November 10, 2003, the package had got lost somewhere between Tucson and my home town here in Germany after the customs idiots had agreed they would send it to us via mail. It never arrived. Lots of telephone calls but to no avail although I had the photo copy from the customs dudes with all the details (sender, contents, etc.). More calls and the information that the package was probably on its way back to Tucson. The customs dudes said that if it didn't show up here or in Tucson sooner or later, the sender would have to start a tracer. Wednesday, December 17, 2003, Mike wrote that the meteorites had just arrived back to him and that the customs idiot had removed the packaging so that the meteorites (worth $600!) were loose in the box which was smashed - fortunately the meteorites were fine, not damaged. The customs people were not the culprits this time. That honor goes to the German mail company. There must have been a potential thief who opened Christmas mail that looked promising (precious metals, jewelry, money, etc.). Meteorites were just worthless and meaningless stuff so he chucked them back into the torn package (sometimes it is good people do not know much about meteorites :-) My meteorites were shipped again, and, unbelievable but nonetheless true: Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2003, NWA 1909 and NWA 1943 finally arrived (again) after this transaltantic odyssey which lasted only three months! Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Denver goodies
Well, I just got home after the long drive from Denver. Obviously too tired to do much work tonight. Denver was nice for me, a little too much to drink one night, with the Hupes and their damned Oreo Death Cookies, they put me down hard! I made a little last minute deal at the show, 2 kilograms of Camel Dongas and 3 kilograms of Millbillillie's, so that set me back a tad:) Some of that should be appearing in a next couple of days. I bought my usual assortment of oriented Sikhote-Alins to put in the safe and dole out one at a time on eBay, and some new meteorites from Morocco. More on the Pallasite later, I cut some of it a little while ago and it will be in the lab tomorrow. Save your pennies and get ready, as new Pallasites show up far less than new Lunar meteorites! Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
