Re: [meteorite-list] The Missing Word

2006-10-01 Thread Sterling K. Webb

OK,

   Didn't say I believed it, just that it was reported.
You'll note the software in question is derived from
software that allows disabled people to communicate
through computers using their nerve impulses. Maybe
Neil's nerves said it, but his mouth didn't? Armstrong
says he finds the study persuasive. Still touchy after
all these years.

   In one of your references there is mention of the
reporters listening to the raw feed and not being able
to tell if the a was there or not. I have a recording
of the raw feed released by Life magazine only a
week after they made it back. I just went and listened
to it about six times (first time in decades). It does not
sound much like the two official sound samples
linked in those articles, which have obviously been
smoothed and filtered, scrubbed, as it were, with a
strong but uniform background hum. The raw feed
has much irregular noise, although the timing of the
words seems to be the same.

   Not to go all conspiracy theory on you -- I don't
think it matters. Afterall, if the important thing about
the first landing on the Moon was nailing your lines,
we'd have sent Orson Welles, right? Or at least
Charlton Heston...

   Maybe nailing the landing was more important,
particularly since their predetermined flight path was
heading them straight into a 100-meter crater filled with
rubble and surrounded by car-sized boulders, so that,
against all expectation, Armstrong had to go manual and
cruise around looking for the only 50-meter flat spot
in the area...

   Which he found and parked in, within 20 seconds (or
less) of fuel from the abort limit. Asked about that, he
reportedly said, Twenty seconds is a long time.

   How about this? I recommend that when the first man
sets foot on Mars, he carries an iPod with his well-rehearsed
and pre-recorded foot-down sentence, so that all he has
to do is touch the button that feeds the quote directly into
his spacesuit's radio input: That's one small step for a man,
another giant leap for mankind.

   Too late to get Charlton Heston to do it...


Sterling K. Webb
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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:17:27 -0500, you wrote:



   An AP wire story says an Australian computer programmer
using specialized sound software has analyzed the tape of Neil
Armstrong's famous phrase when first setting foot on the Moon
and determined that Armstrong said (and NASA received) the
missing a in That's one small step for [a] man... even though
it's not audible to most listeners...


I don't buy it.  Listen for yourself-- there is no gap, no pause, and no 
unusual

static between for and man.  It goes smoothly from one word to the next.

http://www.nasa.gov/62284main_onesmall2.wav

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/onesmall.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Missing Word

2006-10-01 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:46:05 -0500, you wrote:

Neil's nerves said it, but his mouth didn't? Armstrong
says he finds the study persuasive. Still touchy after
all these years.

My take has always been that he screwed up the historic line live to the world,
realizes to himself hey, I screwed up thie historic line live to the world!--
accounting for he pause between giant and leap, then finishes the line.  I
never blamed him for it, though.  Being the first human being on a dead,
airless, radiation-flooded rock a quarter million miles from home is bound to
somewhat derail your train of thought.

Not to go all conspiracy theory on you -- I don't
think it matters. Afterall, if the important thing about

 You aren't a true conspiracy theorist if you don't think all the landings were
filmed on a sound stage somewhere.
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[meteorite-list] mohamed ait ouzrou

2006-10-01 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
Hi again list.Has anyone in the meteorite world ever heard of MOHAMED AIT
OUZROU?He claims to be from mororroco selling nwa's.Please let me know.



steve arnold,chicago,usa!

Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 
  

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Re: [meteorite-list] mohamed ait ouzrou

2006-10-01 Thread Bob Evans

Careful Steve,
You may get a box full of meteor-wrongs
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Subject: [meteorite-list] mohamed ait ouzrou



Hi again list.Has anyone in the meteorite world ever heard of MOHAMED AIT
OUZROU?He claims to be from mororroco selling nwa's.Please let me know.



steve arnold,chicago,usa!

   Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 
 


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[meteorite-list] Te-1 / Tafassasset

2006-10-01 Thread Stephan Kambach
Dear List-Members

Should somebody be interested in it, from Te-1 (PAC-UNG,  Brachinite-like)
to acquire a crusted full slice of  474.79 grammes, he can contact me for
further informations (picture, price, exchange etc.). Te-1 is desrcibed in
the bulletin under Tafassasset.

Regards from Germany,  Stephan Kambach


Extract from the Met.Bulletin 86  - Meteorit: Tafassasset /last part


 .A 3.61 kg stone, labeled Te-1, was found in 2000 March, probably
on the same expedition noted above, and is reported by J. Otto (Frei) to
have been found in the Tenere Desert at 20°45.8' N, 10°26.5' E.
Classification (J. Otto and A. Ruh, Frei): a primitive achondrite; partly
covered with black fusion crust; shows a recrystallization texture with
abundant 120° triple junctions dominated by olivine (56 vol%, 100–700 µm,
Fa28.7, 0.06 wt% CaO) and poikilitic orthopyroxene (23 vol%, up to 3 mm,
Fs25.4Wo3.6) with exsolved clinopyroxene (Fs12.7Wo39.7); Fe-Ni metal is
irregulary distributed (~10 vol%, up to 5 mm); poikilitic plagioclase occurs
in interstices (6.5 vol%, An38.5Or3.7); troilite (~3.5 vol%, 0.01 wt% Ni);
chromite (~1 vol%, Fe/(Fe + Mg) = 0.817, Cr/(Cr + Al) = 0.818). Oxygen
isotopes (R. Clayton and T. Mayeda, UChi): d17O = –0.85‰, d18O = +1.70‰,
different from other achondrites. Noble gases (L. Schultz, MPI): data
compatible with those of brachinites; exposure age is ~45 Ma. Shock stage,
S1/2; weathering grade, W0. Specimens: main mass with Christian Stehlin,
Basel; type specimen, 30.2 g and thin section, Frei.

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[meteorite-list] major trade offer (AD)

2006-10-01 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
Hello again list.I did not seem to have any nibbles of what I was looking
for.So here is a new trade offer.11.9 gram slice of PORTALES VALLEY + 31.9
gram slice of FUKANG pallasite.I am still looking for nice gao and
sikote-alin with a hole.Let me know what you have and then we will go from
there.



steve

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[meteorite-list] Esquel has been sold

2006-10-01 Thread Mike Miller
Thanks everyone-- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035www.meteoritefinder.com530-385-1281
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[meteorite-list] silly question? Off topic

2006-10-01 Thread Mike Miller
Ok lately when I post to the list I never see my post...I do get a response so I know others can see it?? I also am sure this has been explained before, I just never payed attention. So could someone explain it again for the slow half of the class., Thanks
-- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035www.meteoritefinder.com530-385-1281 
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[meteorite-list] Martian scenario

2006-10-01 Thread Matthias Bärmann




Dear 
list-specialists,

please allow me to imagine the following 
scenario:

At 
the annual meeting in Nocsut, Mars (southern hemisphere) of the MMCDA 
(Martian Meteorite Collectors 
 Dealers Association) all little green 
enthusiasts surround - with nervously trembling tentacles - a table on which, 
protected by bullet-proof glass, the newest sensational and really breathtaking 
new find is shown: it’s not only a rare planetary meteorite, it is: an 
ultra-rare and not yet classified piece from planet Terra ! Not one of the 
admiring Martian meteorite-lunatics (!) would hesitate to sell the farm for a 
0.0002 gr. part-slice – if there would be farms on Mars. 


Well, 
so far the scenario. The question, with other words, is: 


Does 
there exist any information regarding terrestrial meteorites on other celestial 
bodies?

Thanks in advance for your 
answers,

and 
have a good next week,

Matthias

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[meteorite-list] But this is fakes or what?

2006-10-01 Thread M come Meteorite Meteorites
hello

on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/19-KG-HUGE-METEOR-NICKEL-IRON-METEORITE-RARE_W0QQitemZ230034392200QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item230034392200

its fakes or what?

Matteo

M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato
Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 
Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com
EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/

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[meteorite-list] Te-1 / Tafassasset

2006-10-01 Thread Stephan Kambach



Dear 
List-Members
Should 
somebody be interested in it, from Te-1 (PAC-UNG, Brachinite-like)to 
acquire a crusted full slice of 474.79 grammes, he can contact me 
forfurther informations (picture, price, exchange etc.). "Te-1" is desrcibed 
inthe bulletin under "Tafassasset".Regards from Germany, 
Stephan KambachExtract from the Met.Bulletin 86 - Meteorit: 
Tafassasset /last part.A 3.61 kg stone, labeled 
"Te-1", was found in 2000 March, probablyon the same expedition noted above, 
and is reported by J. Otto (Frei) tohave been found in the Tenere Desert at 
20°45.8' N, 10°26.5' E.Classification (J. Otto and A. Ruh, Frei): a 
primitive achondrite; partlycovered with black fusion crust; shows a 
recrystallization texture withabundant 120° triple junctions dominated by 
olivine (56 vol%, 100–700 µm,Fa28.7, 0.06 wt% CaO) and poikilitic 
orthopyroxene (23 vol%, up to 3 mm,Fs25.4Wo3.6) with exsolved clinopyroxene 
(Fs12.7Wo39.7); Fe-Ni metal isirregulary distributed (~10 vol%, up to 5 mm); 
poikilitic plagioclase occursin interstices (6.5 vol%, An38.5Or3.7); 
troilite (~3.5 vol%, 0.01 wt% Ni);chromite (~1 vol%, Fe/(Fe + Mg) = 0.817, 
Cr/(Cr + Al) = 0.818). Oxygenisotopes (R. Clayton and T. Mayeda, UChi): δ17O 
= –0.85‰, δ18O = +1.70‰,different from other achondrites. Noble gases (L. 
Schultz, MPI): datacompatible with those of brachinites; exposure age is ~45 
Ma. Shock stage,S1/2; weathering grade, W0. Specimens: main mass with 
Christian Stehlin,Basel; type specimen, 30.2 g and thin section, 
Frei.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mark Bostick Site

2006-10-01 Thread Dave Freeman mjwy

I have been in email contact with Mark today. He is busy but around.
Graciously,
Dave Freeman


almitt wrote:


Greetings,

Mark's site is still down and I am wondering if anyone knows if 
everything is all right with Mark. Seems like he has dropped off the 
face of the planet. Don't know if he is still running his ebay items 
or not. Any information private or public would be appreciated.


--AL Mitterling
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Re: [meteorite-list] Martian scenario

2006-10-01 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi, Matthias, List,

   No data, but speculation, of the computer simulation variety,
shows that Earthites, or Terrestial meteorites should reach
the other inner planets, just as pieces of them reach us:
http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/me/files/geopaper.pdf
   That's one paper. Google the author, Brett Gladman,
for others on transfer of meteorites between planets...


Sterling K. Webb

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From: Matthias Bärmann

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian scenario


Dear list-specialists,

please allow me to imagine the following scenario:

At the annual meeting in Nocsut, Mars (southern hemisphere) of the MMCDA 
(Martian Meteorite Collectors  Dealers Association) all little green 
enthusiasts surround - with nervously trembling tentacles - a table on 
which, protected by bullet-proof glass, the newest sensational and really 
breathtaking new find is shown: it's not only a rare planetary meteorite, it 
is: an ultra-rare and not yet classified piece from planet Terra ! Not one 
of the admiring Martian meteorite-lunatics (!) would hesitate to sell the 
farm for a 0.0002 gr. part-slice - if there would be farms on Mars.


Well, so far the scenario. The question, with other words, is:

Does there exist any information regarding terrestrial meteorites on other 
celestial bodies?


Thanks in advance for your answers,

and have a good next week,

Matthias




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[meteorite-list] NASA's New Mars Camera Gives Dramatic View of Planet (MRO)

2006-10-01 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2006-117

Media contacts: 

Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

Lori Stiles 520-626-4402
University of Arizona, Tucson

NASA's New Mars Camera Gives Dramatic View of Planet
September 29, 2006

Mars is ready for its close-up. The highest-resolution camera ever to
orbit Mars is returning low-altitude images to Earth from NASA's Mars
Reconnaissance Orbiter.

Rocks and surface features as small as armchairs are revealed in the
first image from NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter since the spacecraft
maneuvered into its final, low-altitude orbital path. The imaging of the
red planet at this resolution heralds a new era in Mars exploration.

The image of a small fraction of Mars' biggest canyon reached Earth on
Friday, the beginning of a week of tests for the High Resolution Imaging
Science Experiment and other instruments on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance
Orbiter.

We are elated at the sharpness of the image, revealing such fine detail
in the landscape, said Dr. Alfred McEwen of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, who is the principal investigator for this camera. The target
area includes the deepest part of Ius Chasma, one portion of the vast
Valles Marineris canyon. Valles Marineris is the largest known canyon in
the solar system, as long as the distance from California to New York.

The image is available online at
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/multimedia/mro-20060929a.html and
http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu/images/TRA/TRA_000823_1720/ .

The camera returned test images after Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter went
into orbit around Mars on March 10, 2006, but those were from altitudes
more than eight times as high as the orbiter is flying now. Since March,
the spacecraft has shrunk its orbit by dipping more than 400 times into
the top of the Martian atmosphere to shave velocity. It is now flying in
its final, nearly circular orbit at altitudes of 250 to 316 kilometers
(155 to 196 miles). The orbit will remain this shape and size for the
mission's two-year primary science phase, which begins in November.

During its primary science phase, Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter will
return more data about the red planet than all previous missions
combined, pouring data to Earth at about 10 times the rate of any
earlier Mars spacecraft. Scientists will analyze the information to gain
a better understanding of the distribution and history of Mars' water --
whether ice, vapor or liquid -- and of the processes that formed and
modified the planet's surface.

In addition to the high-resolution camera, the orbiter's science payload
includes a mineral-identifying spectrometer, a ground-penetrating radar,
a context camera for imaging wide swaths of the surface, a wide-angle
color imager for monitoring the entire planet daily, and an instrument
for mapping and monitoring water vapor and other constituents in the
atmosphere.

For most of October, Mars will be passing nearly behind the sun from
Earth's perspective. Communication will be intermittent. Activities will
be minimal for Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter and other spacecraft at Mars
during this time, and they will resume in early November.

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at
http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology,
Pasadena, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed
Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor and built the
spacecraft. The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment is operated
by the University of Arizona and the instrument was built by Ball
Aerospace and Technology Corp., Boulder, Colo.

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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - September 29, 2006

2006-10-01 Thread Ron Baalke

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Solar Power Is on the Rise as Spirit 'Follows the Water'
- sol 970-976, September 29, 2006:

Solar power levels on Spirit are slowly beginning to rise again
following a winter low of 275 watt-hours on Martian day, or sol, 933
(Aug. 18, 2006). One hundred watt-hours is the amount of electricity
needed to light one 100-watt bulb for one hour. This week, the rover's
power levels rose to about 296 watt-hours.

Spirit spent much of the week analyzing atmospheric dust attracted to
magnets on the spacecraft. The rover identifies iron minerals in the
dust using the Moessbauer spectrometer. One of the two magnets, the
filter magnet, is weaker than the capture magnet, allowing scientists to
separate mineral grains that have the highest magnetic susceptibility,
particularly minerals that contain iron.

During the week, Spirit studied rock targets known as Juan Carlos,
Gueslaga, and Tor using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer.
Juan Carlos and Tor are vesicular rocks filled with tiny holes that
formed during the cooling of a froth of magma and gas. Scientists hope
to determine whether these rocks are similar to or different from nearby
smooth-textured volcanic rocks known as basalts. Gueslaga, meanwhile, is
an entirely different kind of rock known as an exotic, meaning it came
from somewhere else and may have been emplaced during an impact event.

Spirit continued to make scientific observations of the soil target
known as Tyrone. Tyrone is a patch of bright material, white and
yellow in color, that is possibly analogous to salty soils examined
earlier in the mission known as Arad and Paso Robles. Spirit's
dragging right front wheel churned up the bright material on the rover's
784th sol of exploration of Mars (March 18, 2006). Some science team
members have speculated that some component in this material is
hydrated. If moisture enters or leaves the material, the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer would be able to detect it. Scientists are
also monitoring the soil with the rover's panoramic camera for any color
changes, because variability in water content could affect the color.
These observations are ongoing to account for seasonal variability.

The rover continues to operate successfully with the new flight software
package.

Sol-by-sol summaries:

Sol 970 (Sept. 25, 2006): Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the
panoramic camera, surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer, analyzed dust on the filter magnet with the
Moessbauer spectrometer, acquired morning images of the spacecraft deck
with the panoramic camera, and scanned the sky for clouds with the
navigation camera.

Sol 971: Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the panoramic camera,
surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, collected data from the rock target known as Juan Carlos,
and surveyed the horizon using the panoramic camera.

Sol 972: Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the panoramic camera,
surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, restarted integration of data from the filter magnets with
the Moessbauer spectrometer, acquired panoramic camera images of the work
volume accessible by the robotic arm, and measured morning sky
brightness in the west with the panoramic camera.

Sol 973: Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the panoramic camera,
surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, studied the rock targets Gueslaga and Tor using the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer, and used the panoramic camera
to take images of rover tracks and measure morning sky brightness in the
west.

Sol 974: Plans called for Spirit to measure atmospheric opacity using
the panoramic camera, survey the sky and ground with the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer, restart integration of data from the
filter magnets with the Moessbauer spectrometer, survey the sky and
ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, scan the sky
for clouds, measure morning sky brightness, and take a morning
measurement of dust on the panoramic camera mast assembly with the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 975: Plans called for Spirit to measure atmospheric opacity using
the panoramic camera, survey the sky and ground with the miniature
thermal emission spectrometer, and acquire morning images of the rover's
tracks with all 13 filters of the panoramic camera.

Sol 976 (Oct. 1, 2006): Plans called for Spirit to measure atmospheric
opacity using the panoramic camera, survey the sky and ground using the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer, continue analysis of dust on
the filter magnets with the Moessbauer spectrometer, and complete a
morning sky survey with the panoramic camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 973 (Sept. 28, 2006), Spirit's total odometry remained at
6,876.18 meters (4.27 miles).


[meteorite-list] Cassini Images: Helen's Close-Up

2006-10-01 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/cassini/060930helene.html

Helene's close-up
CASSINI PHOTO RELEASE
September 30, 2006

Credit: NASA/JPL/Space Science Institute
Download larger image version here
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA08269.jpg
 
This set of images exposes details on small and crumpled-looking Helene.
Large portions of this Trojan moon of Dione appear to have been blasted
away by impacts.

Cassini passed within 50,000 kilometers (31,000 miles) of Helene (32
kilometers, or 20 miles across) when these images were acquired. The
views were obtained over the course of an hour, and are presented here
in reverse order (i.e., the leftmost image was taken latest).

The images were taken in visible light with the Cassini spacecraft
narrow-angle camera. As presented here, the views were acquired at
distances ranging from 62,000 to 51,000 kilometers (39,000 to 32,000
miles) from Helene and at a Sun-Helene-spacecraft, or phase, angle of
111 to 120 degrees. Image scale is 375 to 300 meters (1,230 to 984 feet)
per pixel, from left to right.

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the
European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in
Pasadena, manages the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate,
Washington, D.C. The Cassini orbiter and its two onboard cameras were
designed, developed and assembled at JPL. The imaging operations center
is based at the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colo.

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RE: [meteorite-list] 73P in 2022?

2006-10-01 Thread Rob Matson
Hi Ed,

Finally getting back to you on the subject of 73P's return
at the end of May in 2022.  

 Aside from the recent bolides, and the several hundred
 pound TNT equivalent hit at Troms, Norway, there appear to
 have been hits by large SW3 fragments at Rio Curaca, Brazil,
 1930, 10 August, and Rupununi, British Guiana 1935, 11 December.

I haven't researched the 1930 or 1935 possibilities you mention
above, but the connection between the Troms, Norway event and 73P
has some problems.  That Norway bolide occurred at ~2:05am local
time on June 7th (~12:05am GMT).  Earth was not near any of the
nodal crossing points in 2006:  see figure 5 on page 6 of the
following PDF link (which is page 643) and note that earth's
closest approach to any meteoroids ejected from SW3 in prior
years (going back to 1801) was on May 31 at a distance of at
least 0.04 a.u. (~3.7 million miles):

http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/%7Epbrown/taus.pdf

By June 7th, the distance was more than double that.  I will
concede that at least the tau Herculid radiant was high in
the southwest at the time of the bolide -- in the vicinity of
delta Bootis (which was more than 50 degrees above azimuth
240 degrees).  This location is in roughly the same quadrant
of the sky from which the Troms bolide appears to have come.

The 2022 nodal crossing looks much more promising for a minor
meteor shower (though nothing spectacular according to P.A.
Wiegert).  Keep in mind that we're talking about comet dust
here -- not meteoroids.  Other than whatever large SW3 fragments
following the 2006 breakup still remain in 2022, I would expect
its dust cloud to be about as survivable as that of any other
short-period comet:  i.e. not very.  (Aren't too many samples
of Swift-Tuttle, Temple-Tuttle, Halley or 3200 Phaethon in our
meteorite collections!)

Cheers,
Rob

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