Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Impactika]

Or what is "A Zagami for you"?
Dean, you have to tell us!  
 
Anne M. Black
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In a message dated 10/17/2006 10:53:54 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And remember "A Zag for  You"?   The good old days.  Steve

---
dean bessey  wrote: 
In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
Collider Particle  
Accelerator in order to study one of  these
specimens!


Yes, Bessey specks are of such  extreme importance that
governments spend billions of dollars building  special
equipment for the sole purpose of studying  them
Cheers
DEAN
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Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Stephen Smith]

And remember "A Zag for You"?   The good old days.  Steve

dean bessey wrote:

  
In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
Collider Particle 
Accelerator in order to study one of these
specimens!


  
  Yes, Bessey specks are of such extreme importance that
governments spend billions of dollars building special
equipment for the sole purpose of studying them
Cheers
DEAN
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[meteorite-list] How to tell which iron is which?? II

[Allan Treiman]

Hi, List -    Thanks very much for your suggestions, on and off list, about the liquidation meteorites that might be CD. I saw the two masses today, and they definitely are irons, and look a whole lot like Canyon Diablo. One has a 2" long tubular hole through it! Both have spots of what looks like caliche. They were wire-brushed and maybe oiled too, so their surfaces are not quite natural.  I'm going to do some quick chemical analyses of the rust and the caliche, and compare them with same from a small sample of(real) CD here.     But I don't have any Odessa or Toluca for comparison. Could any of you spare a bit of rust and sand or caliche off your Odessa or Toluca?   Thanks very much.     Allan Allan TreimanLunar and Planetary Institute3600 Bay Area BoulevardHouston TX 77058 USA281-486-2117[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 16, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Allan Treiman wrote:Hi, meteorite list -   I've got a question for you. I've been approached for help in liquidationof an estate (in Texas), which has two iron masses labelled as meteorites.But no information on where they came from. Photos attached below.   They look a lot like irons, and I'm comfortable with a Ni test to tell themfrom terrestrial iron.   But -- any suggestions on how to tell which iron meteorite they might be?To my untrained eye, they look a lot like Canyon Diablo. Anyone had thistype of question come up before?   Thanks for your help.   AllanAllan TreimanLunar and Planetary Institute3600 Bay Area BoulevardHouston TX 77058 USA281-486-2117[EMAIL PROTECTED] __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Maybe Martin could offer up "Martin-specks" of beer!  Micro pints of
Ale
DF

dean bessey wrote:

  Dictionary Term: BESSEY SPECK (Pronouned Bess-ey
sp-ee-ch)
"Term used to describe a special type of mineral
micromount that is made from a rare type of meteorite
- usually from the Moon or Mars but other rare or
rarely found types included also. Usually displayed in
a standard gem jar but sometimes seen in other types
of holders also" A Collectible in its own right that
will be worth lots of money in a couple hundred years
time. Remember, early samples of collectibles usually
have most value".
  
  Now for the most important question of all. Does being
responsible for this important contribution to
meteorite collecting mean that everybody supplies beer
to important contributor at Martins party in munich in
a couple weeks time
Cheers
DEAN

 

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[meteorite-list] OT: Status of observatories on Mauna Kea

[Matson, Robert]

Title: OT:  Status of observatories on Mauna Kea






Hi All,

I'm sorry to report that the Canada-France-Hawaii telescope atop Mauna
Kea was definitely damaged by the earthquake.  To what extent is still
being assessed, but there is a preliminary report with some non-telescope
dome images here:

http://www.cfht.hawaii.edu/

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Stephen Smith]

Hi List,
I remember when everyone used to tease Dean about his "Bessey Specks". 
Now that's about all you see.  How times have changed.   Steve

E.P. Grondine wrote:

  Hi Michael, list - 

I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".  

(Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)

Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
"Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
going to be immortalized by having these formally
named after him?

Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
capsules.  

Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.

good hunting - 
Ed   

--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
 This post includes a fabulous, large iron
and an entire new
page of historic calls.
  
FIRST:
A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
appears for all
the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
flat, oriented
specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
the other side.
 This piece includes an custom build display
stand to facilitate
a very impressive display of its virtues.
 If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
into my catalog
at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
in this sale for 2,750-
(price includes shipping and insurance inside the
US)
 This spectacular piece can be seen at:
 
http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
 
SECOND:
I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
meteorites that have
struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
a collection of the
most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
in history. I have 35
different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
elsewhere with diligent
searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
as anyone's. The others
cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
according to cost.  This page
is
worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
anything ­ it was 5 years
in the making and includes historical photos, links,
etc. See at the URL
below:
 
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
 
Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
orders come in ­
so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
available.
 
 PayPal preferred (sent to this email
address) Visa/Mastercard
and personal checks gladly accepted.
 Happy Hunting! Michael


  










  
  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[MexicoDoug]

Ed wrote:

"You left out childrens gift from among the uses of
Bessey Specks - the "wow" effect of specks of Mars and
the Moon on them is pretty good - good hunting - Ed"

No oversight intended, Ed, I think you're right on the money as being a
little kid with a little imagination in the appreciation of such matchboxed
gems can greatly help:

How true, yes, how true, said the big kangaroo...
That Speck you'll not foil
With a dip in hot Beezlenut-oil
After all, "Not from the Sun in the summer. Nor from rain when it's
fall-ish,
I'm going to protect that Speck. No matter how small-ish!"

Through cyber-space jungles, the news quickly spread:
"He talks to a 'Bessey Speck'! He's out of his head!
Just look at its stalk, a 'Bessey Speck' on a flower!"
Dean walked, worrying, almost an hour.
"Should I put the Speck down?." Dean thought with alarm.
"If I do, these small 'rites may come to great harm.
I can't put it down. And I won't! After all
A 'rite's a 'rite. No matter how small.
Which the market quite bought, unless it's a 'wrong.
That these giants joining, not toiling too long,
For a new name's coining for Specks in a bag,
Please not to forget a green label or tag.
Then Blaine-n-Dean stopped walking.
The Speck-voice was talking!
"My friends," came the voice, "you're very fine friends.
You've helped all us folks on this Bessey Speck no ends.
You've saved all our chondrules, our fissures and pores
You've saved all our molecules and pallasite cores."
"You mean." Blaine gasped, "you have structures there, too?"
"Oh, yes," piped the voice. "We most certainly do.
"I know," called the voice, "I'm too small to be seen
But I'm Matrix of a town that is friendly and clean.
Our features, to you, would seem terribly small
But to us, who aren't big, they are wonderfully tall.
My town is called New-ville, for I am a New
And we News of the world are all grateful to you."

*Any similarity between these characters and any other characters is purely
coincidental.

Best wishes, Doug (with a lot of help from Dr. Theodore S. Geisel -the other
Dr. Seuss-)


--- MexicoDoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Adam, Listees,
>
> Bessey Speck
> (1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized,
> granular or irregular,
> intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment
> which collectors prize as
> a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of
> one with limited
> distribution, typically used more as a
> conversational piece or to
> satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
> instinct for collection and
> coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of
> the parent specimen.
> Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro"
> and "Micromount".
> (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
> originating from a larger (macro)
> meteorite specimen.
>
> Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed
> in the sense that the
> term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I
> think the word particle
> is more descriptive for most of our uses.  I am
> agreeing with Michael Blood
> that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
>
> The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems
> like a much more
> descriptive term to me than micromount for many
> collectors.  To me a
> "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan
> of scientific
> investigation or illustration of specific
> attributes.  Size alone doesn't
> count, as much as purpose.  For example, Stardust
> particles are not
> micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's
> definition, and they are
> not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are
> certainly hypothetically
> possible.
>
> "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
> commercially sold in venues
> like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is
> doing the selling. That's
> where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term.
>  Adam's definition
> clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually
> higher "scientific" use in
> observing material properties: appreciation with
> binocular microscope,
> better developed crystals, etc... The short comment
> in that definition
> "obtaining for less," especially given the profit
> and pleasure motives
> between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out
> of place to me.  Adam's
> post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed
> with the use of the term
> Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate
> (which I definitely agree
> with Adam in doing).
>
> I am not comfortable with the term micromount being
> more properly used for
> specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
> with a sledge for the
> unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
> filling holes in their
> collections, a majority of which are not "better
> appreciating" their samples
> in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor
> have too much motivation
> to get.
>
> Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars
> rock sales many years
> before most of our times?  I am trying to remember
> Kevin Kitchinka's
> comments in "The Art of Meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Thomas Webb]

Steve, Dean and list,
Thanks for this post Steve.  It clearly shows that one
person showing empathy for another can overcome
mountainous differences.  Occasionally we get these
brief glimpses of caring which transcend even our
great love for meteorites and within these moments we
begin to realize more deeply and transparently those
things which are most important.
My best to all,
Thomas

Thomas H. Webb
Linville, NC

--- Steve Schoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All of this brings to my mind the entire "Bessey
> Speck" issue.  Back
> then, nine or so years ago I took extreme objection
> to such.
> 
> Well in 2003 in the month of January, I came down
> with ADEM... I nearly
> died.
> 
> But I recovered.
> 
> And I received from many of you messages wishing me
> well, from all over
> the world.
> 
> Well... Back to "Bessey Specks"...
> 
> Dean sent me a package and letter of condolence
> which the nurse opened
> read to me, and inside the package was a round
> cylinder very tightly
> taped together, and there was a card with it with
> the words "SAYH AL
> UHAYMIR 90"
> 
> At the time, I was speechless, (literally) and the
> nurse was perplexed.
>  She thought that there was something inside the
> plastic capsule but
> could not open it due to the fact that it was so
> tightly taped.  After
> a while, she gave up and left it on my bedside desk.
>  At that time I
> could not use my right arm, which was paralyzed
> along with my leg and
> everything else on my right side.  Others came in
> and noticed it at my
> beside, read the letter to me again, and a few tried
> to open it to show
> what Dean had sent.
> 
> In my weird state of mind and being I was curious,
> too.   I had no idea
> what the "gift" was.  The name meant nothing to me
> in my then weird
> state of mind, or lack thereof.
> 
> At the time many spoken words and written words were
> as
> incomprehensible as hearing or reading Russian
> backwards-- or forwards.
>  But I picked up the plastic capsule with my left
> hand and looked at it
> intensely, wondering what it was.
> 
> Then after nearly a month of recovery, I was able to
> look at it more
> closely, and with some degree of comprehension.
> 
> Then, and only then, with a degree of comprehension
> back, did I realize
> that the little container had... you guessed it
> "Bessey Specks"  Two,
> nearly microscopic specks of SAY AL HYMIE 90.  The
> specks had migrated
> to the edge of the container to the point that they
> would easily be missed.
> 
> Had it been opened by me or anyone else, they would
> have become nothing
> more than dust on the hospital floor (as if there is
> much dust there
> anyway in intensive care).
> 
> Well...
> 
> I still have those two tiny Bessey Specks and the
> card that he sent me
> on my meteorite shelf, along with dozens of really
> large in comparison
> meteorites.
> 
> But those two specks have a treasured spot in my
> heart and on my
> display shelf.  They are a memento of the time when
> I could have been
> numbered among the departed. And oddly they are part
> of the process
> that came about to bring my comprehension back. 
> 
> I hate the idea of reducing meteorites to "Bessey
> Specks"... but these
> two tiny ones... I like.
> 
> So... One needs not muli-billion dollar equipment to
> appreciate them...
> 
> Just a weird state of mind caused by a disease that
> shuts down the
> brain.  And as it reboots, then the appreciation
> begins.
> 
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA #4470
> 
> 
> 
> Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey
> Specks"
> 
> dean bessey
> Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:51:05 -0700
> 
> > In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
> > Collider Particle 
> > Accelerator in order to study one of these
> > specimens!
> > 
> Yes, Bessey specks are of such extreme importance
> that
> governments spend billions of dollars building
> special
> equipment for the sole purpose of studying them
> Cheers
> DEAN
> http://www.meteoriteshop.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Michael L Blood]

Dear Steve & all,
Well, now I am convinced you have experienced some sort of
liberation from your travails! You were SO anti Bessey Specks I
thought it was going to give you a stroke way back then. To be
feed up to enjoy them is a real blessing.
To fill in the history, it was a long, long time ago boys and girls
long before Dean Bessey ever dreamed of going to North West Africa.
In fact, he was a Stock Broker in Canada who became interested in
collecting meteorites. This was about the time I came out with the
set of "all 6 SNCs" (aside from those out of Antarctica and, therefore,
entirely and forever unavailable to the collecting community. I was
offering very small frags in gelatin capsules ala Blaine Reed (from
whom I had learned the practice). Dean got a couple of the rarer ones;
Governadore Valadares and Lafayette and though the frags I had sold
him were like 2 to 4mg in size he started selling tiny specks of them
on eBay. I thought he had mastered the mirical of the loaves and fishes!
I kid you not! He sold DOZENS AND DOZENS of eensy weensy specks
from those oh so small frags I had sold him. Dean was also the first to
have and use a digital camera with an extremely adept lens that took
ultra super close up shots that made these puppies look like small boulders.
These things sold for $49, $65, $89 dollars! Over and over and over
the apostles passed the loaves and the fishes and the stinking baskets
never became empty! That dude BUILT HIS BUSINESS on those things!
Maybe I am hallucinating, but I could swear he only bought one small
frag each of those things, but the purse was never empty, he always had
more specks to sell. He made so much that by the time NWA started opening
up he was off and running - and the rest is history.
Best wishes, Michael

on 10/17/06 7:27 PM, Steve Schoner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> All of this brings to my mind the entire "Bessey Speck" issue.  Back
> then, nine or so years ago I took extreme objection to such.
> 
> Well in 2003 in the month of January, I came down with ADEM... I nearly
> died.
> 
> But I recovered.
> 
> And I received from many of you messages wishing me well, from all over
> the world.
> 
> Well... Back to "Bessey Specks"...
> 
> Dean sent me a package and letter of condolence which the nurse opened
> read to me, and inside the package was a round cylinder very tightly
> taped together, and there was a card with it with the words "SAYH AL
> UHAYMIR 90"
> 
> At the time, I was speechless, (literally) and the nurse was perplexed.
> She thought that there was something inside the plastic capsule but
> could not open it due to the fact that it was so tightly taped.  After
> a while, she gave up and left it on my bedside desk.  At that time I
> could not use my right arm, which was paralyzed along with my leg and
> everything else on my right side.  Others came in and noticed it at my
> beside, read the letter to me again, and a few tried to open it to show
> what Dean had sent.
> 
> In my weird state of mind and being I was curious, too.   I had no idea
> what the "gift" was.  The name meant nothing to me in my then weird
> state of mind, or lack thereof.
> 
> At the time many spoken words and written words were as
> incomprehensible as hearing or reading Russian backwards-- or forwards.
> But I picked up the plastic capsule with my left hand and looked at it
> intensely, wondering what it was.
> 
> Then after nearly a month of recovery, I was able to look at it more
> closely, and with some degree of comprehension.
> 
> Then, and only then, with a degree of comprehension back, did I realize
> that the little container had... you guessed it "Bessey Specks"  Two,
> nearly microscopic specks of SAY AL HYMIE 90.  The specks had migrated
> to the edge of the container to the point that they would easily be missed.
> 
> Had it been opened by me or anyone else, they would have become nothing
> more than dust on the hospital floor (as if there is much dust there
> anyway in intensive care).
> 
> Well...
> 
> I still have those two tiny Bessey Specks and the card that he sent me
> on my meteorite shelf, along with dozens of really large in comparison
> meteorites.
> 
> But those two specks have a treasured spot in my heart and on my
> display shelf.  They are a memento of the time when I could have been
> numbered among the departed. And oddly they are part of the process
> that came about to bring my comprehension back.
> 
> I hate the idea of reducing meteorites to "Bessey Specks"... but these
> two tiny ones... I like.
> 
> So... One needs not muli-billion dollar equipment to appreciate them...
> 
> Just a weird state of mind caused by a disease that shuts down the
> brain.  And as it reboots, then the appreciation begins.
> 
> Steve Schoner
> IMCA #4470
> 
> 
> 
> Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"
> 
> dean bessey
> Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:51:05 -0700
> 
>> In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
>> C

Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Steve Schoner]

All of this brings to my mind the entire "Bessey Speck" issue.  Back
then, nine or so years ago I took extreme objection to such.

Well in 2003 in the month of January, I came down with ADEM... I nearly
died.

But I recovered.

And I received from many of you messages wishing me well, from all over
the world.

Well... Back to "Bessey Specks"...

Dean sent me a package and letter of condolence which the nurse opened
read to me, and inside the package was a round cylinder very tightly
taped together, and there was a card with it with the words "SAYH AL
UHAYMIR 90"

At the time, I was speechless, (literally) and the nurse was perplexed.
 She thought that there was something inside the plastic capsule but
could not open it due to the fact that it was so tightly taped.  After
a while, she gave up and left it on my bedside desk.  At that time I
could not use my right arm, which was paralyzed along with my leg and
everything else on my right side.  Others came in and noticed it at my
beside, read the letter to me again, and a few tried to open it to show
what Dean had sent.

In my weird state of mind and being I was curious, too.   I had no idea
what the "gift" was.  The name meant nothing to me in my then weird
state of mind, or lack thereof.

At the time many spoken words and written words were as
incomprehensible as hearing or reading Russian backwards-- or forwards.
 But I picked up the plastic capsule with my left hand and looked at it
intensely, wondering what it was.

Then after nearly a month of recovery, I was able to look at it more
closely, and with some degree of comprehension.

Then, and only then, with a degree of comprehension back, did I realize
that the little container had... you guessed it "Bessey Specks"  Two,
nearly microscopic specks of SAY AL HYMIE 90.  The specks had migrated
to the edge of the container to the point that they would easily be missed.

Had it been opened by me or anyone else, they would have become nothing
more than dust on the hospital floor (as if there is much dust there
anyway in intensive care).

Well...

I still have those two tiny Bessey Specks and the card that he sent me
on my meteorite shelf, along with dozens of really large in comparison
meteorites.

But those two specks have a treasured spot in my heart and on my
display shelf.  They are a memento of the time when I could have been
numbered among the departed. And oddly they are part of the process
that came about to bring my comprehension back. 

I hate the idea of reducing meteorites to "Bessey Specks"... but these
two tiny ones... I like.

So... One needs not muli-billion dollar equipment to appreciate them...

Just a weird state of mind caused by a disease that shuts down the
brain.  And as it reboots, then the appreciation begins.

Steve Schoner
IMCA #4470



Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

dean bessey
Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:51:05 -0700

> In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
> Collider Particle 
> Accelerator in order to study one of these
> specimens!
> 
Yes, Bessey specks are of such extreme importance that
governments spend billions of dollars building special
equipment for the sole purpose of studying them
Cheers
DEAN
http://www.meteoriteshop.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago

[lebofsky]

Ed:

Makes sense to me. There was a giant meteor and when all of the dinosaurs
looked up at it they were blinded by the light. Made it difficult for them
to find food!

Larry

On Tue, October 17, 2006 4:25 pm, E.P. Grondine wrote:
> Hi Ron  -
>
>
> "meteor impact"? Didn't any one at NSF catch this?
>
>
> Even given this, the header should have read "More
> Than One Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million
> Years Ago"
>
>
> quibble, quibble, quibble, Ed
>
>
>
> --- Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
> http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108103&org=NSF&from=news
>
>>
>> National Science Foundation Press Release 06-150
>>
>>
>> More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65
>> Million Years Ago
>>
>>
>> Growing evidence shows a series of natural events
>> caused extinction October 17, 2006
>>
>>
>> Growing evidence shows that the dinosaurs and their
>> contemporaries were not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact
>> alone, according to a paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts,
>> massive volcanism in India and climate changes culminated in the end of
>> the Cretaceous Period.
>>
>> The Chicxulub impact may have been the lesser and
>> earlier of a series of meteor impacts and volcanic eruptions that pounded
>>  life on Earth for more than 500,000 years, say Princeton University
>> paleontologist Gerta Keller and her collaborators Thierry Adatte from
>> the University of
>> Neuchatel, Switzerland, and Zsolt Berner and Doris
>> Stueben from
>> Karlsruhe University in Germany.
>>
>>
>> A final, much larger and still unidentified impact
>> 65.5 million years
>> ago appears to have been the last straw, said Keller, exterminating
>> two-thirds of all species in one of the largest mass extinction events in
>> the history of life. It's that impact - not Chicxulub - that left the
>> famous extraterrestrial iridium layer found in rocks worldwide that marks
>> the impact that finally ended the Age of Reptiles, Keller believes.
>>
>>
>> "The Chicxulub impact alone could not have caused
>> the mass extinction," said Keller, "because this impact predates the mass
>>  extinction."
>>
>> Keller is scheduled to present that evidence at the
>> annual meeting of the Geological Society of America (GSA) in Philadelphia,
>> on Tuesday, October 24, 2006.
>>
>>
>> "Chicxulub is one of thousands of impact craters on
>> Earth's surface and
>> in its subsurface," said H. Richard Lane, program director in the National
>> Science Foundation (NSF) Division of Earth
>> Sciences, which
>> funded the research. "The evidence found by Keller and colleagues suggests
>> that there is more to learn about what caused the major extinction event
>> millions of years ago, and the demise of the dinosaurs at the end of the
>> Cretaceous."
>>
>>
>> Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater
>> itself, as well as from a site in Texas along the Brazos River and from
>> outcrops in northeastern Mexico, reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth 300,000
>> years before the mass extinction. Microscopic marine animals were left
>> virtually unscathed, said Keller.
>>
>> "In all these localities we can analyze their
>> microfossils in the sediments directly above and below the Chicxulub
>> impact layer, and cannot find any significant biotic effect," said
>> Keller. "We cannot
>> attribute any specific extinctions to this impact."
>>
>> The story that seems to be taking shape, according
>> to Keller, is that Chicxulub, though violent, actually conspired with
>> the prolonged and gigantic volcanic eruptions of the Deccan Flood Basalts
>> in India, as well as with climate change, to nudge species towards the
>> brink. They were then pushed over with a second large meteor impact.
>>
>> The Deccan volcanism released vast amount of
>> greenhouse gases into the atmosphere over a period of more than a million
>>  years leading up to the mass extinction. By the time Chicxulub struck,
>> the oceans were already 3-4 degrees warmer, even at the bottom, Keller
>> said.
>>
>> "On land it must have been 7-8 degrees warmer," she
>> said. "This greenhouse warming is well-documented. The temperature rise
>> was rapid over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for about 100,000
>> years, then cooled back to normal well before the mass extinction."
>>
>> Where's the crater? "I wish I knew," said Keller.
>>
>>
>> Scheduled Presentations at the Geological Society of
>> America meeting in
>> Philadelphia:
>>
>>
>> "Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction"
>>
>>
>> Pennsylvania Convention Center: 105 AB
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, 24 October, 2:50 p.m.
>>
>>
>> "K/T Mass Extinction and the Lilliput Effect:
>> Consequences of Impacts,
>> Volcanism and Climate Change"
>>
>>
>> Pennsylvania Convention Center
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, 25 October, 11:45 a.m.
>>
>>
>> -NSF-
>>
>>
>> Media Contacts
>> Cheryl Dybas, NSF (703) 292-7734 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Ann Cairns, GSA (303) 357-1056
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Related Websites
>> Talk: Chixculub Impact and the 

Re: [meteorite-list] More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Ron  - 

"meteor impact"? Didn't any one at NSF catch this?

Even given this, the header should have read "More
Than One Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million
Years Ago"

quibble, quibble, quibble,
Ed


--- Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
>
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108103&org=NSF&from=news
> 
> National Science Foundation Press Release 06-150
> 
> More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65
> Million Years Ago
> 
> Growing evidence shows a series of natural events
> caused extinction
> October 17, 2006
> 
> Growing evidence shows that the dinosaurs and their
> contemporaries were
> not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact
> alone, according to a
> paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts,
> massive volcanism in
> India and climate changes culminated in the end of
> the Cretaceous Period.
> 
> The Chicxulub impact may have been the lesser and
> earlier of a series of
> meteor impacts and volcanic eruptions that pounded
> life on Earth for
> more than 500,000 years, say Princeton University
> paleontologist Gerta
> Keller and her collaborators Thierry Adatte from the
> University of
> Neuchatel, Switzerland, and Zsolt Berner and Doris
> Stueben from
> Karlsruhe University in Germany.
> 
> A final, much larger and still unidentified impact
> 65.5 million years
> ago appears to have been the last straw, said
> Keller, exterminating
> two-thirds of all species in one of the largest mass
> extinction events
> in the history of life. It's that impact - not
> Chicxulub - that left the
> famous extraterrestrial iridium layer found in rocks
> worldwide that
> marks the impact that finally ended the Age of
> Reptiles, Keller believes.
> 
> "The Chicxulub impact alone could not have caused
> the mass extinction,"
> said Keller, "because this impact predates the mass
> extinction."
> 
> Keller is scheduled to present that evidence at the
> annual meeting of
> the Geological Society of America (GSA) in
> Philadelphia, on Tuesday,
> October 24, 2006.
> 
> "Chicxulub is one of thousands of impact craters on
> Earth's surface and
> in its subsurface," said H. Richard Lane, program
> director in the
> National Science Foundation (NSF) Division of Earth
> Sciences, which
> funded the research. "The evidence found by Keller
> and colleagues
> suggests that there is more to learn about what
> caused the major
> extinction event millions of years ago, and the
> demise of the dinosaurs
> at the end of the Cretaceous."
> 
> Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater
> itself, as well as
> from a site in Texas along the Brazos River and from
> outcrops in
> northeastern Mexico, reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth
> 300,000 years
> before the mass extinction. Microscopic marine
> animals were left
> virtually unscathed, said Keller.
> 
> "In all these localities we can analyze their
> microfossils in the
> sediments directly above and below the Chicxulub
> impact layer, and
> cannot find any significant biotic effect," said
> Keller. "We cannot
> attribute any specific extinctions to this impact."
> 
> The story that seems to be taking shape, according
> to Keller, is that
> Chicxulub, though violent, actually conspired with
> the prolonged and
> gigantic volcanic eruptions of the Deccan Flood
> Basalts in India, as
> well as with climate change, to nudge species
> towards the brink. They
> were then pushed over with a second large meteor
> impact.
> 
> The Deccan volcanism released vast amount of
> greenhouse gases into the
> atmosphere over a period of more than a million
> years leading up to the
> mass extinction. By the time Chicxulub struck, the
> oceans were already
> 3-4 degrees warmer, even at the bottom, Keller said.
> 
> "On land it must have been 7-8 degrees warmer," she
> said. "This
> greenhouse warming is well-documented. The
> temperature rise was rapid
> over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for
> about 100,000 years,
> then cooled back to normal well before the mass
> extinction."
> 
> Where's the crater? "I wish I knew," said Keller.
> 
> Scheduled Presentations at the Geological Society of
> America meeting in
> Philadelphia:
> 
> "Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction"
> 
> Pennsylvania Convention Center: 105 AB
> 
> Tuesday, 24 October, 2:50 p.m.
> 
> "K/T Mass Extinction and the Lilliput Effect:
> Consequences of Impacts,
> Volcanism and Climate Change"
> 
> Pennsylvania Convention Center
> 
> Wednesday, 25 October, 11:45 a.m.
> 
> -NSF-
> 
> Media Contacts
> Cheryl Dybas, NSF (703) 292-7734 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Ann Cairns, GSA (303) 357-1056
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Related Websites
> Talk: Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction:
> http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=14
> Talk: K/T Mass Extinction: Consequences of Impacts:
> http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=15
> 
> The National Science Foundation (NSF) is an
> independent federal agency
> that supports fundamental research and education
> across all fields of
> science a

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Doug - 

You left out childrens gift from among the uses of
Bessey Specks - the "wow" effect of specks of Mars and
the Moon on them is pretty good - 

good hunting -
Ed 


--- MexicoDoug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Adam, Listees,
> 
> Bessey Speck
> (1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized, 
> granular or irregular,
> intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment
> which collectors prize as
> a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of
> one with limited
> distribution, typically used more as a
> conversational piece or to
> satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory
> instinct for collection and
> coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of
> the parent specimen.
> Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro"
> and "Micromount".
> (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle
> originating from a larger (macro)
> meteorite specimen.
> 
> Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed
> in the sense that the
> term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I
> think the word particle
> is more descriptive for most of our uses.  I am
> agreeing with Michael Blood
> that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
> 
> The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems
> like a much more
> descriptive term to me than micromount for many
> collectors.  To me a
> "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan
> of scientific
> investigation or illustration of specific
> attributes.  Size alone doesn't
> count, as much as purpose.  For example, Stardust
> particles are not
> micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's
> definition, and they are
> not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are
> certainly hypothetically
> possible.
> 
> "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles
> commercially sold in venues
> like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is
> doing the selling. That's
> where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term.
>  Adam's definition
> clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually
> higher "scientific" use in
> observing material properties: appreciation with
> binocular microscope,
> better developed crystals, etc... The short comment
> in that definition
> "obtaining for less," especially given the profit
> and pleasure motives
> between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out
> of place to me.  Adam's
> post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed
> with the use of the term
> Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate
> (which I definitely agree
> with Adam in doing).
> 
> I am not comfortable with the term micromount being
> more properly used for
> specimens purposefully shattered into small bits
> with a sledge for the
> unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors
> filling holes in their
> collections, a majority of which are not "better
> appreciating" their samples
> in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor
> have too much motivation
> to get.
> 
> Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars
> rock sales many years
> before most of our times?  I am trying to remember
> Kevin Kitchinka's
> comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting" (don't
> have handy here) where
> an explanation of the etymology of this colorful
> term was published and my
> Mars' comment references.  Bessey Specks, though,
> gets the point across much
> better for me!  It's ll in the intended use and
> market.  While I don' think
> a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense
> description for something not
> carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some
> characteristic, heck - if
> their not even carefully mounted...
> 
> So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in
> this fashion, that is my 2
> centavos.
> Doug
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
> 
> 
> The term micromount has been used for decades to
> describe this type of
> specimen.
> 
> Micromount:
> 
> Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and
> rockhounds to describe
> mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a
> binocular microscope.
> Micromount specimen collecting has a number of
> advantages, specimens take up
> less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less
> and smaller crystals are
> more perfectly developed.
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
> 
> 
> > Hi Michael, list -
> >
> > I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
> >
> > (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla
> specks,
> > but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> > childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
> >
> > Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term
> than
> > "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
> > proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
> > going to be immortalized by hav

Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Largest ebay sale of the year!

[Bob Evans]

Mike,
You have many beautiful meteorites for sale on your site. I know you are a 
very busy guy , but, someday you should add a feature indicating what is new 
on your sales page.


Thanks
Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Largest ebay sale of the year!



Well, the holidays are coming and I am preparing for
trips to Europe and Japan, so I have to get my holiday
sales done very early! I have over 75 meteorites
ending tonight, over $7000.00 worth of speicmens in
total,ALL started at one cent!

Some items of note:

Fresh black oriented Gao meteorite. This one is a
perfect little flying saucer. Look at the bubbles on
this piece!
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035870188

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035862603
LArgest piece of all, a nearly 900 gram GAO stone!

Meteorite set, 2 Lunar and 2 Martian meteorite
collection worth over
$300.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035865525

Large Libyan Desert glass specimen, OVER 500 grams!
http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170037788124

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035615212
887 gram Sikhote-Alin specimen.

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035872408
Absolutely gorgeous piece of Dhofar 1428, Lunar
meteorite from Oman.

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035620117
Absolutely gorgeous piece of NWA 2977, Lunar
meteorite from Africa.

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170038103624
Beautiful polished Diogenite piece, at $1.00 per gram
right now! Worth over 30 times that price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170038730891
Absolutely beautiful complete Millbillillie stone!

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170037790623
Beautiful etched FUKANG slice., look at the etch on
this piece!

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170037789514
Complete large Muonionalusta slice.

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ170038045606
221 gram Muonionalusta etched sphere!

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035891269
H3 meteorite slice, 53 grams!

http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ130035875180
Beautiful etched IMILAC pallasite slice.


Many of the meteorites are still at ONE CENT right
now!
See all of the meteorites offered at the links below.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoritehunters

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteorite-hunter


Also many new meteorites being added on my website
today.
http://www.meteoritehunter.com

thanks
Michael Farmer

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[meteorite-list] Ad- Smallest ebay sale of the year

[Bob Evans]

Hello,
Only one item up for auction , but it is a beauty. Better than the photos 
show. Cheap Amphoterite .

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmaccers531QQhtZ-1


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AW: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Martin Altmann]

Yep Alex,

your right. So we should use 1Bsy as a currency unit for stone meteorites:

1 Bessey is the retail price of 1kg unclassified W3 NWA-chondrite on the
summit of the desert rush in 2003. And he was always the cheapest.
People don't believe me, but nowadays the same material costs already almost
2-3 Bsy, and there will be times, where it will cost a dozen Bsy...

Once there was a short period, where 1 Bsy was equivalent to 1 Ksr.
1 Koser is the retail price of 1kg Campo 1.5 years ago. The basical unit of
the value of an Iron meteorite.
1 Ktv the same for pallasites
1 Afv for lunaites.

100Bsy = 1 Bld...hehehe.

Fixed all in the Matteo-Index.

1 Alm is the time you needed to sell 10 Bsy in Germany in 2005 = 543 days.

1Pls are 36 Neumann lines per square cm on an etched octahedrite surface.

1 ChSt is the minimal semantic content in a descriptive text for a
meteoritical ebay auction.

Your posts to the list should not exceed 0.4 MDg. 1Mdg is approx 1 Wb
(Sterling).

Skol!
Martin



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Alexander Seidel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2006 22:58
An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

Martin wrote:

> My linguistic prognosis is, that within 30 years the second component,
> "the speck" will have been disappeared and that we then will say only:
> "A Bessey". 

1 Bsy  = 0.001 g [CGS] or 0.000 001 kg [SI] respectively ???
Such a mass unit would not do justice to a man of our dear
Dean´s figure (..and importance)! :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany


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AW: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Alexander Seidel]

Martin wrote:

> My linguistic prognosis is, that within 30 years the second component,
> "the speck" will have been disappeared and that we then will say only:
> "A Bessey". 

1 Bsy  = 0.001 g [CGS] or 0.000 001 kg [SI] respectively ???
Such a mass unit would not do justice to a man of our dear
Dean´s figure (..and importance)! :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany


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Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[dean bessey]

> In other words, you need a Superconducting Super
> Collider Particle 
> Accelerator in order to study one of these
> specimens!
> 
Yes, Bessey specks are of such extreme importance that
governments spend billions of dollars building special
equipment for the sole purpose of studying them
Cheers
DEAN
http://www.meteoriteshop.com

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[meteorite-list] Allende inclusion mystery

[Dave Harris]

Hi folks,

Pictured at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/inclusion.jpg
is a slice of Allende weighing in a 5g - (ie FOV about 2-3cms across)

Can anyone shed any light onto the odd inclusion? melt pocket? petrology? or
whatever. it's bugging me as I haven't seen this type of inclusion in
any of my Allende bits and pieces around the house!

thanks!

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec. BIMS
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Darryl Pitt]

Checking in, saw the following and wanted to provide a bit of proper  
history:


The first person I know to have sold "specks" on a regular basis was  
Blaine Reed who packaged exotic specimens in gelatin capsules.  I was  
inspired by Blaine's idea and took it one step further-- 
pharmaceutically-milled Zagami for the Mars Cube "The First  
Interplanetary Collectible."  Shortly thereafter Dean popularized  
specks of all stripes and colors.




On Oct 17, 2006, at 3:58 PM, MexicoDoug wrote:


Hello Adam, Listees,

Bessey Speck
(1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized,  granular or  
irregular,
intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment which collectors  
prize as

a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of one with limited
distribution, typically used more as a conversational piece or to
satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory instinct for  
collection and

coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of the parent specimen.
Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro" and "Micromount".
(2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle originating from a  
larger (macro)

meteorite specimen.

Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed in the sense  
that the
term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I think the word  
particle
is more descriptive for most of our uses.  I am agreeing with  
Michael Blood

that the term Bessey Speck has a place.

The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems like a much more
descriptive term to me than micromount for many collectors.  To me a
"micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan of scientific
investigation or illustration of specific attributes.  Size alone  
doesn't

count, as much as purpose.  For example, Stardust particles are not
micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's definition, and  
they are
not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are certainly  
hypothetically

possible.

"Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles commercially sold  
in venues
like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is doing the  
selling. That's
where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term.  Adam's  
definition
clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually higher  
"scientific" use in

observing material properties: appreciation with binocular microscope,
better developed crystals, etc... The short comment in that definition
"obtaining for less," especially given the profit and pleasure motives
between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out of place to me.   
Adam's
post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed with the use of  
the term
Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate (which I  
definitely agree

with Adam in doing).

I am not comfortable with the term micromount being more properly  
used for

specimens purposefully shattered into small bits with a sledge for the
unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors filling holes in their
collections, a majority of which are not "better appreciating"  
their samples
in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor have too much  
motivation

to get.

Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars rock sales many  
years

before most of our times?  I am trying to remember Kevin Kitchinka's
comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting" (don't have handy  
here) where
an explanation of the etymology of this colorful term was published  
and my
Mars' comment references.  Bessey Specks, though, gets the point  
across much
better for me!  It's ll in the intended use and market.  While I  
don' think
a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense description for  
something not
carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some characteristic, heck  
- if

their not even carefully mounted...

So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in this fashion, that  
is my 2

centavos.
Doug


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of
specimen.

Micromount:

Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to  
describe
mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular  
microscope.
Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages,  
specimens take up
less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller  
crystals are

more perfectly developed.


All the best,

Adam




- Original Message -
From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"




Hi Michael, list -

I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".

(Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)

Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
"Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Besse

Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Adam Hupe]

In other words, you need a Superconducting Super Collider Particle 
Accelerator in order to study one of these specimens!


Adam



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Re: [meteorite-list] Further precision re "Bessey Specks"

[Michael L Blood]

Doug and all,
This is closer - but to be truly a "Bessey Speck" a specimen
must be small enough to VERY, VERY EASILY fit in the smallest
sized gelatin capsule (they come in a variety of sizes) and should
be difficult or nearly difficult to see for anyone with less than 20/20
vision. Also referred to as a "Micro-mini" to differentiate from what Adam
referred to as a "micromount" which can be as large as 1" X 1" !
"Micromount" is well established as fitting in a 1 X 1 - though this
has been "challenged" with the considerably larger, yet still small
membrane boxes, which I am sure many would consider "micromount"
as opposed to "macromount" which are ROUGHLY those that would
fit in a 2" X 2" box.
Back to Bessey Speck - it MUST be VERY small to qualify,
and certainly MUCH, MUCH smaller than 1" X 1" !
I regret I must run off to teaching a couple of classes - this is
much more interesting to me than arguments.
Michael


on 10/17/06 12:58 PM, MexicoDoug at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello Adam, Listees,
> 
> Bessey Speck
> (1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized,  granular or irregular,
> intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment which collectors prize as
> a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of one with limited
> distribution, typically used more as a conversational piece or to
> satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory instinct for collection and
> coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of the parent specimen.
> Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro" and "Micromount".
> (2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle originating from a larger (macro)
> meteorite specimen.
> 
> Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed in the sense that the
> term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I think the word particle
> is more descriptive for most of our uses.  I am agreeing with Michael Blood
> that the term Bessey Speck has a place.
> 
> The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems like a much more
> descriptive term to me than micromount for many collectors.  To me a
> "micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan of scientific
> investigation or illustration of specific attributes.  Size alone doesn't
> count, as much as purpose.  For example, Stardust particles are not
> micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's definition, and they are
> not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are certainly hypothetically
> possible.
> 
> "Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles commercially sold in venues
> like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is doing the selling. That's
> where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term.  Adam's definition
> clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually higher "scientific" use in
> observing material properties: appreciation with binocular microscope,
> better developed crystals, etc... The short comment in that definition
> "obtaining for less," especially given the profit and pleasure motives
> between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out of place to me.  Adam's
> post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed with the use of the term
> Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate (which I definitely agree
> with Adam in doing).
> 
> I am not comfortable with the term micromount being more properly used for
> specimens purposefully shattered into small bits with a sledge for the
> unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors filling holes in their
> collections, a majority of which are not "better appreciating" their samples
> in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor have too much motivation
> to get.
> 
> Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars rock sales many years
> before most of our times?  I am trying to remember Kevin Kitchinka's
> comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting" (don't have handy here) where
> an explanation of the etymology of this colorful term was published and my
> Mars' comment references.  Bessey Specks, though, gets the point across much
> better for me!  It's ll in the intended use and market.  While I don' think
> a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense description for something not
> carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some characteristic, heck - if
> their not even carefully mounted...
> 
> So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in this fashion, that is my 2
> centavos.
> Doug
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
> 
> 
> The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of
> specimen.
> 
> Micromount:
> 
> Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe
> mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope.
> Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take up
> less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smalle

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Mark]

Doesn't sound like an out of line request, does it. Course, I use µ-micro to 
abbreviate for the limited space provided in an ebay title and because my 
offerings are not of Mars or Lunar origin.


Mark Ferguson

refamat on ebay

low man in company in Kentucky.

- Original Message - 
From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


Dictionary Term: BESSEY SPECK (Pronouned Bess-ey
sp-ee-ch)
"Term used to describe a special type of mineral
micromount that is made from a rare type of meteorite
- usually from the Moon or Mars but other rare or
rarely found types included also. Usually displayed in
a standard gem jar but sometimes seen in other types
of holders also" A Collectible in its own right that
will be worth lots of money in a couple hundred years
time. Remember, early samples of collectibles usually
have most value".



Now for the most important question of all. Does being
responsible for this important contribution to
meteorite collecting mean that everybody supplies beer
to important contributor at Martins party in munich in
a couple weeks time
Cheers
DEAN



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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[dean bessey]

Dictionary Term: BESSEY SPECK (Pronouned Bess-ey
sp-ee-ch)
"Term used to describe a special type of mineral
micromount that is made from a rare type of meteorite
- usually from the Moon or Mars but other rare or
rarely found types included also. Usually displayed in
a standard gem jar but sometimes seen in other types
of holders also" A Collectible in its own right that
will be worth lots of money in a couple hundred years
time. Remember, early samples of collectibles usually
have most value".
>
Now for the most important question of all. Does being
responsible for this important contribution to
meteorite collecting mean that everybody supplies beer
to important contributor at Martins party in munich in
a couple weeks time
Cheers
DEAN

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Walter Branch]

I remember a discussion about eight or nine years ago on this topic.  It
sems like there was some agreement that a micromount was anything that fit
into a 1 x 1 inch case.

I have started using the term "nanomount" to refer to specks and dust.

-Walter
-
- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


> The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of
> specimen.
>
> Micromount:
>
> Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe
> mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope.
> Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take
up
> less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller crystals
are
> more perfectly developed.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"
>
>
> > Hi Michael, list -
> >
> > I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
> >
> > (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
> > but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> > childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
> >
> > Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
> > "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
> > proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
> > going to be immortalized by having these formally
> > named after him?
> >
> > Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
> > suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
> > cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
> > second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
> > capsules.
> >
> > Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
> > adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
> > these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
> >
> > good hunting -
> > Ed
> >
> > --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
> >>  This post includes a fabulous, large iron
> >> and an entire new
> >> page of historic calls.
> >>
> >> FIRST:
> >> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
> >> appears for all
> >> the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
> >> flat, oriented
> >> specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
> >> the other side.
> >>  This piece includes an custom build display
> >> stand to facilitate
> >> a very impressive display of its virtues.
> >>  If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
> >> into my catalog
> >> at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
> >> in this sale for 2,750-
> >> (price includes shipping and insurance inside the
> >> US)
> >>  This spectacular piece can be seen at:
> >>
> >> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
> >>
> >> SECOND:
> >> I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
> >> meteorites that have
> >> struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
> >> a collection of the
> >> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
> >> in history. I have 35
> >> different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
> >> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
> >> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
> >> elsewhere with diligent
> >> searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
> >> as anyone's. The others
> >> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
> >> according to cost.  This page
> >> is
> >> worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
> >> anything ­ it was 5 years
> >> in the making and includes historical photos, links,
> >> etc. See at the URL
> >> below:
> >>
> >> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
> >>
> >> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
> >> orders come in ­
> >> so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
> >> available.
> >>
> >>  PayPal preferred (sent to this email
> >> address) Visa/Mastercard
> >> and personal checks gladly accepted.
> >>  Happy Hunting! Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[MexicoDoug]

Hello Adam, Listees,

Bessey Speck
(1) A commercially marketed, submillimeter-sized,  granular or irregular,
intentionally broken petreus meteoritical fragment which collectors prize as
a token possession of an expensive meteorite or of one with limited
distribution, typically used more as a conversational piece or to
satisfactorily fill a primal participatatory instinct for collection and
coat-tailing on the "wow-effect" of possession of the parent specimen.
Compare to "Particle", "Stardust", "Crumb", "Micro" and "Micromount".
(2) Any, almost microscopic-sized particle originating from a larger (macro)
meteorite specimen.

Note, I'm not disagreeing with Adam' response to Ed in the sense that the
term micromount is a term in the toolbox, although I think the word particle
is more descriptive for most of our uses.  I am agreeing with Michael Blood
that the term Bessey Speck has a place.

The questionably honorific term "Bessey Speck" seems like a much more
descriptive term to me than micromount for many collectors.  To me a
"micromount" implies some sort of serious grand plan of scientific
investigation or illustration of specific attributes.  Size alone doesn't
count, as much as purpose.  For example, Stardust particles are not
micromounts unless prepared that way despite Adam's definition, and they are
not Bessey Specks, though micro-Besseyspeckies are certainly hypothetically
possible.

"Bessey Speck" consideres that not all particles commercially sold in venues
like eBay find scientific use regardless of who is doing the selling. That's
where Bessey Speck is a unique and interesting term.  Adam's definition
clearly has the weighted meaning toward a usually higher "scientific" use in
observing material properties: appreciation with binocular microscope,
better developed crystals, etc... The short comment in that definition
"obtaining for less," especially given the profit and pleasure motives
between buyers and sellers, really seems quite out of place to me.  Adam's
post wasn't clear, at least for me, if he disagreed with the use of the term
Bessey Speck or just was offering Ed an alternate (which I definitely agree
with Adam in doing).

I am not comfortable with the term micromount being more properly used for
specimens purposefully shattered into small bits with a sledge for the
unadulterated and pure pleasure of collectors filling holes in their
collections, a majority of which are not "better appreciating" their samples
in a binocular microscope which many don't have nor have too much motivation
to get.

Didn't "Bessey Speck" usage start with Dean's Mars rock sales many years
before most of our times?  I am trying to remember Kevin Kitchinka's
comments in "The Art of Meteorite Collecting" (don't have handy here) where
an explanation of the etymology of this colorful term was published and my
Mars' comment references.  Bessey Specks, though, gets the point across much
better for me!  It's ll in the intended use and market.  While I don' think
a "Micromount" is an appropiate common sense description for something not
carefully prepared and mounted to exhibit some characteristic, heck - if
their not even carefully mounted...

So, unless Dean objects to being immortalized in this fashion, that is my 2
centavos.
Doug


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of
specimen.

Micromount:

Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe
mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope.
Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take up
less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller crystals are
more perfectly developed.


All the best,

Adam




- Original Message -
From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


> Hi Michael, list -
>
> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>
> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>
> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
> going to be immortalized by having these formally
> named after him?
>
> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
> capsules.
>
> Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
> adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>
> good hunting -
> Ed
>
> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Greetings fellow space treasure lov

AW: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Martin Altmann]

Hmm, but Bessey specks are smaller than an usual micromount.
If we don't want to call it "nanomount" or more colloquial "Bessey Booger",
we could live with the original term now in use.
My linguistic prognosis is, that within 30 years the second component, "the
speck" will have been disappeared
and that we then will say only: "A Bessey". 

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Adam
Hupe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Oktober 2006 20:53
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of 
specimen.

Micromount:

Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe 
mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope. 
Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take up

less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller crystals are 
more perfectly developed.


All the best,

Adam




- Original Message - 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"


> Hi Michael, list -
>
> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
>
> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
>
> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
> going to be immortalized by having these formally
> named after him?
>
> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
> capsules.
>
> Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
> adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
>
> good hunting -
> Ed
>
> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>>  This post includes a fabulous, large iron
>> and an entire new
>> page of historic calls.
>>
>> FIRST:
>> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
>> appears for all
>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
>> flat, oriented
>> specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
>> the other side.
>>  This piece includes an custom build display
>> stand to facilitate
>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>>  If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
>> into my catalog
>> at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
>> in this sale for 2,750-
>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside the
>> US)
>>  This spectacular piece can be seen at:
>>
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>>
>> SECOND:
>> I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
>> meteorites that have
>> struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
>> a collection of the
>> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
>> in history. I have 35
>> different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
>> elsewhere with diligent
>> searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
>> as anyone's. The others
>> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
>> according to cost.  This page
>> is
>> worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
>> anything ­ it was 5 years
>> in the making and includes historical photos, links,
>> etc. See at the URL
>> below:
>>
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>>
>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
>> orders come in ­
>> so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
>> available.
>>
>>  PayPal preferred (sent to this email
>> address) Visa/Mastercard
>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>>  Happy Hunting! Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[Adam Hupe]

The term micromount has been used for decades to describe this type of 
specimen.


Micromount:

Micromount is term used by mineral collectors and rockhounds to describe 
mineral specimens that are best appreciated using a binocular microscope. 
Micromount specimen collecting has a number of advantages, specimens take up 
less space, rare minerals can be obtained for less and smaller crystals are 
more perfectly developed.



All the best,

Adam




- Original Message - 
From: "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:07 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"



Hi Michael, list -

I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".

(Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)

Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
"Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
going to be immortalized by having these formally
named after him?

Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
capsules.

Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.

good hunting -
Ed

--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
 This post includes a fabulous, large iron
and an entire new
page of historic calls.

FIRST:
A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
appears for all
the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
flat, oriented
specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
the other side.
 This piece includes an custom build display
stand to facilitate
a very impressive display of its virtues.
 If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
into my catalog
at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
in this sale for 2,750-
(price includes shipping and insurance inside the
US)
 This spectacular piece can be seen at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa

SECOND:
I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
meteorites that have
struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
a collection of the
most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
in history. I have 35
different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
elsewhere with diligent
searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
as anyone's. The others
cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
according to cost.  This page
is
worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
anything ­ it was 5 years
in the making and includes historical photos, links,
etc. See at the URL
below:

http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html

Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
orders come in ­
so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
available.

 PayPal preferred (sent to this email
address) Visa/Mastercard
and personal checks gladly accepted.
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[meteorite-list] "Bessey Specks"

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Ed,
As for the use of the term, "Bessey Speck" - this was
discussed at great length on this list years ago. (See the list back
postings for review).
As far as your expressed opinion that
>Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than "Bessey Specks" for
>these. 
My personal recall is at that time the term was embraced by the meteoritic
community as a proper reference to: "A speck so small that wile it may be
seen with the naked eye, requires a microscope to view the virtues of its
own, particular features."
I am not convinced there is a need for another term, and I am
certainly not at all convinced there is a "clear" need for same. This
term has established historical significance and meaning and seams
to succinctly address the attributes of such specimens.
But then, I could be wrong, my wife continually assures me I am.
Best wishes, Michael Blood


on 10/17/06 7:07 AM, E.P. Grondine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Michael, list -
> 
> I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".
> 
> (Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
> but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
> childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)
> 
> Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
> "Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
> proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
> going to be immortalized by having these formally
> named after him?
> 
> Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
> suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
> cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
> second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
> capsules.  
> 
> Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
> adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
> these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.
> 
> good hunting - 
> Ed   
> 
> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>>  This post includes a fabulous, large iron
>> and an entire new
>> page of historic calls.
>>   
>> FIRST:
>> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
>> appears for all
>> the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
>> flat, oriented
>> specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
>> the other side.
>>  This piece includes an custom build display
>> stand to facilitate
>> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>>  If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
>> into my catalog
>> at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
>> in this sale for 2,750-
>> (price includes shipping and insurance inside the
>> US)
>>  This spectacular piece can be seen at:
>>  
>> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>>  
>> SECOND:
>> I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
>> meteorites that have
>> struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
>> a collection of the
>> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
>> in history. I have 35
>> different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
>> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
>> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
>> elsewhere with diligent
>> searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
>> as anyone's. The others
>> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
>> according to cost.  This page
>> is
>> worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
>> anything ­ it was 5 years
>> in the making and includes historical photos, links,
>> etc. See at the URL
>> below:
>>  
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>>  
>> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
>> orders come in ­
>> so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
>> available.
>>  
>>  PayPal preferred (sent to this email
>> address) Visa/Mastercard
>> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>>  Happy Hunting! Michael

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[meteorite-list] More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=108103&org=NSF&from=news

National Science Foundation Press Release 06-150

More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago

Growing evidence shows a series of natural events caused extinction
October 17, 2006

Growing evidence shows that the dinosaurs and their contemporaries were
not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact alone, according to a
paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts, massive volcanism in
India and climate changes culminated in the end of the Cretaceous Period.

The Chicxulub impact may have been the lesser and earlier of a series of
meteor impacts and volcanic eruptions that pounded life on Earth for
more than 500,000 years, say Princeton University paleontologist Gerta
Keller and her collaborators Thierry Adatte from the University of
Neuchatel, Switzerland, and Zsolt Berner and Doris Stueben from
Karlsruhe University in Germany.

A final, much larger and still unidentified impact 65.5 million years
ago appears to have been the last straw, said Keller, exterminating
two-thirds of all species in one of the largest mass extinction events
in the history of life. It's that impact - not Chicxulub - that left the
famous extraterrestrial iridium layer found in rocks worldwide that
marks the impact that finally ended the Age of Reptiles, Keller believes.

"The Chicxulub impact alone could not have caused the mass extinction,"
said Keller, "because this impact predates the mass extinction."

Keller is scheduled to present that evidence at the annual meeting of
the Geological Society of America (GSA) in Philadelphia, on Tuesday,
October 24, 2006.

"Chicxulub is one of thousands of impact craters on Earth's surface and
in its subsurface," said H. Richard Lane, program director in the
National Science Foundation (NSF) Division of Earth Sciences, which
funded the research. "The evidence found by Keller and colleagues
suggests that there is more to learn about what caused the major
extinction event millions of years ago, and the demise of the dinosaurs
at the end of the Cretaceous."

Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater itself, as well as
from a site in Texas along the Brazos River and from outcrops in
northeastern Mexico, reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth 300,000 years
before the mass extinction. Microscopic marine animals were left
virtually unscathed, said Keller.

"In all these localities we can analyze their microfossils in the
sediments directly above and below the Chicxulub impact layer, and
cannot find any significant biotic effect," said Keller. "We cannot
attribute any specific extinctions to this impact."

The story that seems to be taking shape, according to Keller, is that
Chicxulub, though violent, actually conspired with the prolonged and
gigantic volcanic eruptions of the Deccan Flood Basalts in India, as
well as with climate change, to nudge species towards the brink. They
were then pushed over with a second large meteor impact.

The Deccan volcanism released vast amount of greenhouse gases into the
atmosphere over a period of more than a million years leading up to the
mass extinction. By the time Chicxulub struck, the oceans were already
3-4 degrees warmer, even at the bottom, Keller said.

"On land it must have been 7-8 degrees warmer," she said. "This
greenhouse warming is well-documented. The temperature rise was rapid
over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for about 100,000 years,
then cooled back to normal well before the mass extinction."

Where's the crater? "I wish I knew," said Keller.

Scheduled Presentations at the Geological Society of America meeting in
Philadelphia:

"Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction"

Pennsylvania Convention Center: 105 AB

Tuesday, 24 October, 2:50 p.m.

"K/T Mass Extinction and the Lilliput Effect: Consequences of Impacts,
Volcanism and Climate Change"

Pennsylvania Convention Center

Wednesday, 25 October, 11:45 a.m.

-NSF-

Media Contacts
Cheryl Dybas, NSF (703) 292-7734 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Ann Cairns, GSA (303) 357-1056 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Related Websites
Talk: Chixculub Impact and the K/T Mass Extinction:
http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=14
Talk: K/T Mass Extinction: Consequences of Impacts:
http://www.nsf.gov/news/longurl.cfm?id=15

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that supports fundamental research and education across all fields of
science and engineering, with an annual budget of $5.58 billion. NSF
funds reach all 50 states through grants to nearly 1,700 universities
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[meteorite-list] Strong Leonid Meteor Shower Expected Nov. 18

[Ron Baalke]

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/061017_leonids_2006.html

Strong Leonid Meteor Shower Expected Nov. 18
By Joe Rao 
SPACE.com 
17 October 2006

If you live in Western Europe or eastern North America, put a big circle
on your calendar around Saturday, Nov. 18.  If that night is clear,
bundle up warmly and head outside because you may be able to catch a
glimpse of an intense, albeit brief display of Leonid meteors.

The Leonids are composed of the dusty debris that has been shed by the
comet Temple-Tuttle, a small celestial body that orbits the Sun at 
33-year intervals.  In those years during and then for several years 
after the comet has swept through the inner solar system, it has had a
propensity for producing spectacular meteor displays; meteors falling by
the hundreds, if not thousands per hour.

These "shooting stars" all apparently emanate from the constellation of
Leo, the Lion. Hence the name "Leonids."

The great years

The comet last passed the Sun and Earth in 1998, and from that year 
through 2002, the Leonids produced showers in which meteors fell at 
rates of more than a thousand per hour - displays that astronomers 
call meteor storms.

Since 2003, however, with Temple-Tuttle having receded back into the far
reaches of the solar system, the Leonids have been disappointing, barely
producing more than 10 meteors per hour.

It appeared that the chances of any more spectacular Leonid displays
were over for many years to come.  But that might not be case, if the
calculations of several reputable meteor scientists prove to be correct. 

Prediction for 2006

Apparently, a rather narrow but dense ribbon of dust was shed by comet
Temple-Tuttle when it passed the Sun in 1932.  When the Earth interacted
with that dusty trail back in 1969, it produced a brief bevy of some 200
to 300 meteors in less than hour. 

In 2006, Earth will be nearly twice as far away from the comet as
opposed to 1969, but expectations are that as many as 100 to 150 Leonids
may streak across the sky in only an hour's time as we interact with
that decades-old ribbon of debris again.

The expected time of peak activity is 11:45 p.m. EST on the night of
Nov. 18.

Where to watch

For those living in eastern North America, the constellation of Leo will
be rising in the eastern sky.  Unfortunately, those living across the
central and western parts of the United States and Canada will be out of
luck, since Leo will not yet have risen and the expected peak of the
display will be over when Leo finally comes above the horizon.

Skywatchers in Western Europe will have ringside seats: The peak is due
early on Sunday morning, Nov. 19 at 4:45 GMT.  Leo will be high in the
southeast sky, just before sunrise affording the very best Leonid views.

Meteor watching is easy. Simply find the darkest location you can with a
clear view of the eastern horizon. Then go out and look up. Binoculars
and telescopes are of no use [meteor watching tips
].

SPACE.com will provide a detailed viewer's guide to the 2006 Leonid
meteor shower on Nov. 17.
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[meteorite-list] Earthquake Update from W. M. Keck Observatory

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.keckobservatory.org/article.php?id=95

Earthquake Update from W. M. Keck Observatory

Kamuela (October 16th, 2006) The W. M. Keck Observatory is recovering
from a 6.6-magnitude earthquake and a series of aftershocks that struck
off the west coast of Hawaii Sunday morning at 7:07 a.m. HST. The
earthquake was the largest to hit Hawaii in 20 years and caused power
and communication failures across the state. There were no injuries at
W. M. Keck Observatory and all personnel are safe.

The Observatory has cancelled observing through Wednesday night and
Observatory personnel are in the process of bringing the facility into a
safe state. The telescopes and instruments will be returned to full
functionality as soon as possible.

As of Monday afternoon, summit technicians report that the primary
mirrors of both Keck telescopes are intact and do not appear damaged.
However, some guiding and pointing systems have been impaired and must
be returned to normal before Observing can resume. As of Monday,
officials estimated it would take a few days to return Keck I to
operational status. It will take at least this long to restore Keck II
functionality. There is no damage to observatory computers or servers
and all data has been backed up and is safe. Power has been restored to
all headquarter and summit facilities.

"We have a great team for circumstances like this, and everything that
we are doing is about getting the telescopes working on-sky as soon as
we can in a safe manner," said W. M. Keck Observatory Director Taft
Armandroff. "There has been an amazing amount of dedication and
resourcefulness by staff at the summit last night and today, and I am
very impressed."

The headquarter facilities will be open on Tuesday.

Scheduled observing teams are encouraged to contact Observing Director
Bob Goodrich at (808) 881-3869 with questions about specific instruments
or travel to Hawaii.

This Web site will remain a source of information and updates. For 
more information, please call the Observatory's Public Information 
Office at (808) 881-3827 or send an e-mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Media Contact:
Laura K. Kinoshita
W.M. Keck Observatory
65-1120 Mamalahoa Hwy.
Kamuela, HI 96743
(808) 885-7887
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[meteorite-list] AD - 107 Auctions Ending - Bargains Galore!

[Adam Hupe]

Dear List Members,

In keeping with the ONE AD per week rule, here is my weekly auction 
announcement:


I have several excellent auctions ending this afternoon currently 
representing some excellent bargains.  This week, I loaded the VERY LAST 
LOTS (6 kilograms) that I have in inventory of NWA 869. These are 
exceptional individuals that were destined to be turned into jewelry but the 
maker has changed his mind and is leaning towards NWA 4293 instead. I 
adjusted some prices on the Museum Quality Holed Sikhote Alins and will make 
one more attempt at offering them up on eBay. At ~$3.00 a gram, you would be 
hard pressed to find better quality examples.  There are still 11 pieces of 
Old Yeller left if there is any additional interest, the Main Mass has 
already been sold. With less than 12 kilograms there is not much to go 
around and by weight, a quarter of it is gone in one week. There are plenty 
of specimens still at the 99 cent mark representing some true bargains!


To see all of the too numerous to list outstanding auctions, click on this 
link. Several of these still have no bid and are at the opening price of 
just 99 cents so be sure to check them out:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites

Check out some of these highlights:

Check this solid Mundrabilla, still just 99 cents, this is not worthless 
shale but a solid individual!:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040924550

A rare dual lithology complete Millbillillie slice priced to sell:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040923919

VERY LAST NWA482/Pyrex/Silver pendant left:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040927775

Second to LAST pieces of NWA 969 LL6/7 meteorite containing fluid trains:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040930656

An exceedingly rare CO3.3 at less than a buck a gram:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040934227

A Eucrite currently at 25 cents a gram!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040940010

Check out this SA bullet started out at just 99 cents:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140040952410

The VERY LAST of the NWA 869 Lots:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042805527
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042805864
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042806330
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042806583
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042806784
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042807651
Plus 6 more:

Here is a sampling of some OLD YELLOR specimens:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042813775
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042814207
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042814681
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140042816164

And don't forget to check out the museum quality Sikhote Alins and 107 other 
auctions at this link:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites


Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best Regards,


Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock
IMCA 2185
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - October 16, 2006

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Studies Layers of Volcanic Rock - sol 982-987,
October 16, 2006:

As Spirit enters a period known as solar conjuction, when the sun
interferes with transmissions between Mars and Earth, mission planners
sent a complete set of plans for science activities during solar
conjunction to Spirit on the rover's 982nd sol, or Martian day, of
exploring inside Gusev Crater (Oct. 7, 2006). During that time, the
rover will achieve a new milestone: exploring Mars for 1,000 consecutive
days.

Solar conjunction will begin on sol 991 (Oct. 16, 2006) and end on sol
1015 (Nov. 10, 2006). During this period, both NASA rovers, Spirit and
Opportunity, will not receive any new command loads, but they will send
daily downlinks to Earth, averaging 15 megabits of data per
transmission. The data will be relayed to Earth via NASA's Mars Odyssey
spacecraft in orbit above Mars.

Each day during conjunction, Spirit will spend 3 hours analyzing dust
collected on the rover's filter magnet using the Moessbauer spectrometer
and 24 minutes conducting a variety of early morning science
observations. The morning science activities are designed to monitor the
atmosphere and to search for any possible surface changes. The workload
will make optimum use of solar power levels available with the retreat
of Martian winter.

Spirit is healthy and continues to make progress on the winter science
campaign of experiments. The rover's solar energy levels continue to
rise slowly. Solar power is currently about 300 watt-hours. One hundred
watt-hours is the amount of electricity needed to light one 100-watt
bulb for one hour.

Sol-by-sol summary:

Sol 982 (Oct. 7, 2006): Spirit measured atmospheric dust opacity with
the panoramic camera and surveyed the sky, ground, and dark soil in the
rover's tracks using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit
took panoramic camera images of the rover's tracks and analyzed rock
targets known as "Gueslaga" and "Tor" with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer. The rover measured the brightness of the morning
sky in the west using the panoramic camera.

Sol 983: Spirit measured atmospheric dust opacity with the panoramic
camera and surveyed the sky, ground, and dark soil in the rover's tracks
using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit took a look at
the elemental chemistry of the atmosphere with the alpha particle X-ray
spectrometer. The rover acquired super-resolution panoramic camera
images of a target called "Mitcheltree Ridgecrest 11."

Sol 984: Spirit measured atmospheric dust opacity with the panoramic
camera and surveyed the sky, ground, and soil in the rover's tracks
using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit analyzed a
rock target dubbed "O'Higgins" with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer and referenced instrument measurements to the calibration
target on the rover. The rover scanned the sky for clouds with the
navigation camera, measured morning sky brightness with the panoramic
camera, and monitored dust on the panoramic camera mast assembly.

Sol 985: Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the panoramic camera,
surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, and restarted analysis of dust collected by the filter
magnets using the Moessbauer spectrometer. Spirit scanned the sky for
clouds using the navigation camera and acquired thumbnail images of the
sky with the panoramic camera.

Sol 986: Spirit measured atmospheric opacity using the panoramic camera,
checked for drift (changes with time) in the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, and surveyed the sky and ground with the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer. Spirit scanned the sky for clouds using the
navigation camera and acquired thumbnail images of the sky with the
panoramic camera.

Sol 987 (Oct. 12, 2006): Spirit measured atmospheric dust opacity using
the panoramic camera, checked for drift in the miniature thermal
emission spectrometer, and surveyed the sky and ground with the
miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover restarted Moessbauer
analysis of dust on the filter magnets. Spirit surveyed the sky during
high sun using the panoramic camera.

Odometry:

As of sol 986 (Oct. 11, 2006), Spirit's total odometry remained at
6,876.18 meters (4.27 miles).



OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: On the Promontory - sol 954-960, October 16, 2006:

Opportunity is healthy and perched at the tip of the promontory "Cape
Verde," 3.1 meters (10.2 feet) from the edge of a sharp drop off on the
rim of "Victoria Crater." Soon after arriving at Victoria Crater's "Duck
Bay" last week, Opportunity was sent on its way to Cape Verde. Six sols,
four drives and 127.61 meters (419 feet) later, Opportunity arrived at
the rock target "Fogo" near the tip of Cape Verde.

Along the way, Opportunity made remote-sensing observations including a
pano

[meteorite-list] meteorites with missing paperwork

[mhutson]

I'm relaying this message for someone who is not on the list.  They received
meteorite samples labeled:  Jason 1, 2, 3 (two pieces of Jason 1 and one piece
each of the others), two pieces of Fox 1, and one piece of Moss.  These samples
are supposed to be turned into thin sections.  However, the person receiving
these became ill, and when recovered, could not find any paperwork indicating
where these samples came from.  If these are your samples, please contact the
person that you sent them to and identify yourself.  Thanks.

Melinda Hutson
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[meteorite-list] Re: "Bessey Specks"

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Michael, list - 

I see you list your Bessey Specks as "frags".  

(Your price of $25 seems very fair for Nakla specks,
but I already picked up Mars Bessey Specks for
childrens' gifts at Christmas from Hupe.)

Clearly, there is a need for a more elegant term than
"Bessey Specks" for these. Does anybody have any
proposals? If not, is Dean(?-stroke damage) Bessey
going to be immortalized by having these formally
named after him?

Hupe also sent the Bessey specks in small tubes
suitable for young hands, along with 1 nice pair of
cards (BTW I need a second pair of cards for the
second set of tubes, Greg), instead of gelatin
capsules.  

Perhaps microscope slides would be more suitable for
adult use, but as I don't remember any discussion of
these on the list, I'm bringing it up now.

good hunting - 
Ed   

--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Greetings fellow space treasure lovers,
>  This post includes a fabulous, large iron
> and an entire new
> page of historic calls.
>   
> FIRST:
> A beautiful 6.5 Kg / 14.3 Lb S-A Shrapnel piece that
> appears for all
> the world to be an oriented shield on one side and a
> flat, oriented
> specimen heading to the left in a downward angle on
> the other side.
>  This piece includes an custom build display
> stand to facilitate
> a very impressive display of its virtues.
>  If no one snaps this up on sale it will go
> into my catalog
> at $3,250-  but the first to contact me will take it
> in this sale for 2,750-
> (price includes shipping and insurance inside the
> US)
>  This spectacular piece can be seen at:
>  
> http://community.webshots.com/album/554884324rEfSPa
>  
> SECOND:
> I have set up an entire page dedicated to hammers ­
> meteorites that have
> struck man made objects, animals or humans. This is
> a collection of the
> most impressive of all the recorded meteorite falls
> in history. I have 35
> different recorded falls (including Bessey Specks of
> Sylacauga, Yurtuk and
> Burnwell). About half of the falls can also be found
> elsewhere with diligent
> searching ­ and you will find my prices are as low
> as anyone's. The others
> cannot be had anywhere else. They are priced
> according to cost.  This page
> is
> worth checking out even if you don't want to buy
> anything ­ it was 5 years
> in the making and includes historical photos, links,
> etc. See at the URL
> below:
>  
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers.html
>  
> Pieces on the Hammer page will be marked "SOLD" as
> orders come in ­
> so, if it is still listed when you email me, it is
> available.
>  
>  PayPal preferred (sent to this email
> address) Visa/Mastercard
> and personal checks gladly accepted.
>  Happy Hunting! Michael
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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