Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Impactika]

In a message dated 10/23/2006 5:24:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It would appear that a couple of meteorite  dealers
(names with-held to protect the not-so-innocent) think
that Global  Priority has to ba a large envelope
costing around $10 (Large envelope rate)  but small
items wrapped in bubblewrap are fine in the smaller
envelope (  around $5 small envelope rate) or normal
airmail ( around $2 - $3 ) a  substantial difference
when you buy 100s of inexpensive meteorite slices  over
many months. (been there, done that  !)
-

Global  Priority Mail is great, and I use it almost exclusively for shipping 
outside the  US. But I don't use the envelopes.
I use sturdy boxes with plenty of bubble wrap and peanuts. I have seen  too 
many broken slices! 
Still, the cost is usually $9 for most European countries. 

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
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President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Suzanne and Jim]

Boxes are fine if there a number of pieces and yes you
can provide greater protection. And yes if the item is
light the price for a box can actually be less than
Global Priority small envelope rate!  Having said that
the only slice I have ever received that was broken
(neatly snapped in two) came in a box with bubble wrap
and peanuts!

Some of our German friends wrap stiff cardboard around
the slices then bubble wrap and I have have never had
any breakages.



Suzanne  Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

   MARENGO, an L6,  was found September 1991:
One stone of 68g was found among rock piles on
the side of a cultivated farm field by James A. Wotal
and his son, Alex. Mineralogy (E.J. Olsen, Chicago):
olivine Fa 25.0^, pyroxene Fs 21.2^.

   WOODBINE, on the other hand, was found
by a deep-plowing tractor (Clunk!) in a single
48,200 gram hunk sometime in 1953. Good place
for Steve Arnold (IMB) type metal detector or
ground radar. Might be more big hunks.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: Joe

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield


Steve and list,

  Is the marengo a strewn field? I think it was found in a rock pile. I do 
not think it was found in a field. Am I wrong? Maybe we could go to 
woodbine or maybe even try and find another marengo. Maybe the week after 
Park Forest? Maybe even this Sunday. Serg and I are down to search anyv 
possible strewn field in IL, just let me know when you want to go. If anyone 
else wants to go to any of them they can also contact me on or off list.


Thanks,
Joe Kerchner
http://illinoismeteorites.com


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From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:17:39 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield


It seems that I actually live closer to the MARENGO
strewnfield (24 miles) than park forest.I am also only
60 miles from the woodbind strewnfield as well.So I
have to set the record straight.




steve arnold

Steve Arnold,Chicago,USA!!
BIG Steve's Meteorites,1999!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-Chondrule Competition

[Darren Garrison]

None of these are in the mega size range, but IMHO there are some really
interesting chondrules here.  This unclassified slice is something that I bought
as a buy it now item for 4 or 5 bucks from a seller just because I was already
buying other things from the same person, and thought that I might as well take
advantage of the lower combined shipping.  Turns out, though, that this impulse
buy piece is one of the favorites that I own  As for scale, it jams tight in a
38mm membrane box.  There is one especially interesting zoned, multicolored
eggish-shaped one in the right lower quadrant of the scan:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/cool_unclassified.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-Chondrule Competition

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello list,

Here in my Mega-Chondrule entry. Wish I could see a thin section of it 
without cutting it all up.


http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnwa791.html

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] MeteoriteArticles.com AD, ebay items.....

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Everyone,

I have several $0.99 auctions ending tonight and the next few days.  Some of 
these are linked below.  Click on the view sellers other auctions eBay link 
to see my other 1600 or so auctions.


Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas
www.meteoritearticles.com
Www.imca.cc


Lueders Silcated Iron Meteorite Slice - 9.6 grams
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040391866

Suizhou L6 China 1986 Meteorite Fall Fragment - 810mg.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040395569

Canyon Diablo Iron METEORITE - 141g Interesting Shape
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040402615

Meteorites (Book) by Robert Hutchison  Andrew Graham
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040393839

Crumlin L5 North Ireland Meteorite Fragment - 2.4 grams
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040418398

Stone  Iron METEORITE Collection in Plastic Case
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040392517

Vyatka H4/5 Meteorite Thin Section, Large Area
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040767250

Meteor Crater, Az Meteorite Vintage Souvenir Creamer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040763103

Meenakshi Wadhwa, Chicago Field Museum Meteorite Interv
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040783948

1978 Cape York Iron Meteorite Greenland Stamp FDC, Rare
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290041879061

Moldavite Meteorite Tektite, Gemstone Rough - 51.5 cts
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290041593833
#65532;
1951 Odessa  Glorieta Mountain Meteorite Report, Rare
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290041877148

Tucson Meteorites: History From Frontier to Smithsonian
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290040778274


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[meteorite-list] AD - Good, Bad and Ugly on eBay

[Greg Hupe]

Dear List Members,

GOOD:
I listed on eBay several beautifully polished slices and complete stones of 
NWA 4473 Polymict Diogenite Breccia and NWA 2828 EL3 Fossil Meteorite, both 
Officially classified by a qualified lab.


BAD and UGLY:
The World's Ugliest Halloween Meteorite Pieces 5357 grams auction will be 
ending in just a couple hours. At below 2 cents per gram, this is an awesome 
deal for those Halloween hand-outs or other interesting things you could do 
with them. Heck, they can't be that bad, over 300 people have looked at the 
auction and many are watching it in order to jump on this unique 
opportunity. Here is the direct link to these beauties:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=008sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=180039729367rd=1rd=1

I have also just loaded many pieces of NWA 4482 Pallasite, all with the Buy 
it Now' feature. In addition, I listed many unclassified Saharan chondrites, 
some cut, some not. Most have low Buy it Now prices with even lower starting 
prices, some as low as 99 cents. I will be loading several 1-kilo lots 
tonight as well, and then my regular weekly auctions on Wednesday.


Thank you for checking these out and be sure to click on the above link and 
then click View seller's other items to see all items I have available. 
Don't forget to bid of those little Uglies (all 5357 grams, up from the 
original 5050 grams first mentioned)


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
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RE: [meteorite-list] SALE - NEW Campo for sale - over 154 kilo's

[Pete Pete]

How much per gram?
Cheers,
Pete


From: Timothy Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE - NEW Campo for sale - over 154 kilo's
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:13 -0500

Hello List,

I have some of the NEW Campo del Cielo for sale, over 154 kilo's

Some of those have a movie clips showing a complete 360 view
http://www.meteorman.org/Campo_NEW.htm

43.5 kilo piece is the biggest


Best,
Tim Heitz

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[meteorite-list] FW: Speaking of Chondrules...

[michael cottingham]

From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:54 PM
To: 'michael cottingham'
Subject: AD: Speaking of Chondrules...

Hello,

I have listed a few NEW meteorites on ebay. A new CV3 and a new L3.8 , both
are loaded with chondrules and some of the slices being offered are world
class examples of chondrule laden meteorites. They are both priced very
nicely for the quality they are!

See here:

http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History

You can just search auctions, once you get to my ebay store home page.

Even if you don't buy. they are all worth a look. (CV3 and L3.8 that is).

Best Wishes and Enjoy

Michael Cottingham



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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[stan .]

Boxes are fine if there a number of pieces and yes you
can provide greater protection. And yes if the item is
light the price for a box can actually be less than
Global Priority small envelope rate!


are you sure?
i checked on the web site and couldnt find a single country where it was 
cheaper to send 1g - yes 1 gram total weight of a 'package' via global 
priorivy variable weight - than it was to ship via global priority flat rate 
mailers (the small ones) it was typically about 8$ vs 5.25$


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Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-Chondrule

[PolandMET]

The 2 halves.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/images/duellith5.JPG
Multiple photos of each stone, main mass, and descriptions.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/saharanmeteorites.htm


This looks to me to be odd NWA 869. As we know it contain large dark 
inclusions. Thats what happend here with this specimen. Thats what I think.


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RE: [meteorite-list] apologies

[Pete Pete]

Sorry about that!
I meant to make a private inquiry.
Tim - please reply to me off-List.

Pete



From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] SALE - NEW Campo for sale - over 154 kilo's
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:33:49 -0400

How much per gram?
Cheers,
Pete


From: Timothy Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE - NEW Campo for sale - over 154 kilo's
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:13 -0500

Hello List,

I have some of the NEW Campo del Cielo for sale, over 154 kilo's

Some of those have a movie clips showing a complete 360 view
http://www.meteorman.org/Campo_NEW.htm

43.5 kilo piece is the biggest


Best,
Tim Heitz

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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

Dear Ruben and List,
  Thank you for your post.  I certainly wish others
would aire their less than honorable
purchasing/trading results with Big Steve and Bob
Evans, as well as Lars and Brad Sampson.  This would
certainly save headaches, money and anger; also this
might also serve others from having the same results. 
Perhaps some other List Members will openly aire their
dealing once reading your post.  
Best Regards, Dirk Ross..Tokyo  

--- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
 dealing these two have been involved in.
 
 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent
 a
 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented
 
 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 
 
 I immediately read his post and then looked at the
 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now.
 I
 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 
 
 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when
 it
 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.
 
 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta
 weekend
 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 
 
 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space
 Picture
 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
 new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
 meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
 new to his collection page.
 
 Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
 just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
 Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
 money.
 
 Just thought everyone should know.
 
 p.s.
 On the bright side some lucky person that actually
 reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
 
 a week or so at half the price!
 
 Ruben Garcia
  
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[drtanuki]

Stan and List,
  First Class mail to Japan is fast 5-7days and is
much cheaper than Global Priority (5-7days).  If the
item is expensive then send it Registered (7-10 days).
 Best, Dirk...Tokyo

--- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm curious if anyone would care to share their
 thoughts for the best way to 
 ship overseas from the US. up untill now i have
 always used usps global 
 priority flat rate mailers. they are cheap and fast
 but you cant use the 
 ebay / click-n-ship interface to send your packages.
 is airmail really all 
 that much slower for outbound international
 shipments? comemnts both from 
 sellers and buyers would be apreciated.
 
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Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-Chondrule

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:25:36 +0200, you wrote:

The 2 halves.
http://illinoismeteorites.com/images/duellith5.JPG

Hey, those lithologies aren't fighting!  (And yeah, it sure looks like 869 to
me.)
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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Mark]

Hi List
I have to agree with Dirk on this. 1st Class. I find that it goes very well 
to almost anywhere in the world where we would normally be found (meteorite 
collectors) with the worst so far after some 9 - 10 years on ebay being 
Canada for delivery times and the UK for cost and it's still quite 
reasonable. Australia can take a while, but that's simply because some of 
the locations not in a major city are quite remote and take a bit for mail 
to move around, unlike Canada which is just stupid privatization and 
customs. And before you Canadians start in on me, I am married to a Canadian 
and have mailed from Canada and to Canada as well as tried to mail things 
within Canada, all with agonizingly long delivery times for where it has to 
go.


The worst for overseas shipping is by surface economy and it will still get 
there eventually.


Mark Ferguson

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To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
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Stan and List,
 First Class mail to Japan is fast 5-7days and is
much cheaper than Global Priority (5-7days).  If the
item is expensive then send it Registered (7-10 days).
Best, Dirk...Tokyo

--- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i'm curious if anyone would care to share their
thoughts for the best way to
ship overseas from the US. up untill now i have
always used usps global
priority flat rate mailers. they are cheap and fast
but you cant use the
ebay / click-n-ship interface to send your packages.
is airmail really all
that much slower for outbound international
shipments? comemnts both from
sellers and buyers would be apreciated.

TIA



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[meteorite-list] Strewfield Maps?

[Mike Groetz]

   Would anyone know if strewfield maps are available
anywhere on the internet for the more common known
falls?
   Primarily I am looking for Ohio maps- specifically
the New Concord fall. I can find very little on it's
actual fall area.

Thank You
Mike

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Re: [meteorite-list] Strewfield Maps?

[Dave Freeman mjwy]

Dear Mike, List newbies;
Bill Peck, has a great meteorite map of the North American continent, he 
is out of Steamboat Springs, CO.  Phone
970-879-3621. I have had my copy for years. It is copyrighted 2000.  I 
recommend it.  I do not know if it is currently available but some 
libraries have it, U of Wyoming Geologic Library is where I bought my 
copy. 
I might add that the expanded area of Roosevelt County, and of the 
Lubbock Super Cluster are enough to give on the meteorite hunter willies.

Dave Freeman

Mike Groetz wrote:


  Would anyone know if strewfield maps are available
anywhere on the internet for the more common known
falls?
  Primarily I am looking for Ohio maps- specifically
the New Concord fall. I can find very little on it's
actual fall area.

Thank You
Mike

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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Suzanne and Jim]

Not talking Global Priority , just normal airmail
Just received box today with a 5 grm slice sent normal
airmail 18th Oct cost $3.56.






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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

 
 Dear Ruben and List,
   Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
 Big
 Steve was selling outside of eBay and thus he can
get
 the
 boot from eBaygood riddens!!!  Please follow
 through with a complaint to eBay and save us from
 all
 of Big Steve`s auction postings.  Best, Dirk...Tokyo
 
 --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi All,
  Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
  offer,
  he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it
 Now
  and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
  The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
 tell
  him to contact me with his offer.
  Ruben
  
  
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RE: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[drtanuki]

 Dear Ruben and List,
  Rubin you now have proof positive for eBay that
Big Steve was buying outside of eBay and Big Bob was
selling outside of eBay, thus they can both get the
boot from eBaygood riddens!!!
  Please follow through with a complaint to eBay and
save us from all of Big Bob`s and Big Steve`s eBay
auction postings.  
Best,
Dirk...Tokyo
 
  --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi All,
   Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade
   offer,
   he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it
  Now
   and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
   The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and
  tell
   him to contact me with his offer.
   Ruben
   
   
  
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 24, 2006

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http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_24.html  

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Re: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield

[Mr EMan]

Me thinks we are stretching the definition and/or
conventional use of the term strewn field.  A single
stone-2-3 stones do not a strewn field make unless
there is compelling evidence that there was a wide
spread peppering of stones. 

 We are talking meteorite showers here.  Park Forest,
Allende, Odessa, Canyon Diablo, Holbrook, Johnstown,
Bilingua, Gold Basin, Tagish Lake, etc.. Have Strewn
fields based on direct recovery.(forgive any
mispellings cheap spell check)

Peekskill, theoretically has a strewn field with 3 or
more Peaks owing to sequential fragmentation--even
though only one stone was recovered: over 75 fragments
were seen to fall away from the swarm...   

New Orleans, Syllicaga, Westfield, etc...nada 

The whole issue of strewn field was based on a
mathematical distribution ellipse that early
researchers used to forecast an area to concentrate
searching. To draw this elipse one needs technically 4
or more stones plotted less than.  The ellipse is
refined as more stones are recovered and plotted. a
well defined ellipse(30+) typically means 90 95-98% of
the time at least 95% of the distribution will fall
within the ellipse.

Elton
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation mechanism (Info Please)

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Sterling, 

I did not post my reply to you to the list, so they
won't know what the extracts you cited came from - if
you have a copy of that message please post it - 

The problem still remains what caused sufficient
number of atoms of the same type to be in the same
place at the same time to produce the crystals and
glasses observed.

If you have the gravity of a source proto-planet
differentiating the components in an immiscible melt,
then that problem is solved. I can't see any
differentiating mechanism for an instellar melt,
regardless of energy source.

No doubt the dating techniques are accurate. And no
doubt the elements were frozen in time in the
chondrule glasses and crystals. But is what is being
dated, the elements' formation date, or the
chondrule's formation date?

good hunting,
Ed

--- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi, Ed,
 
  ...but does this mean that the
  formation of the condrules and 
  their matrices date to
  that time?
 
 The formation date is when all the
 various materials can no longer be mixed
 with other material, be wetted, dried, migrate,
 be modified, interact chemically, be altered,
 or otherwise be messed with. The tiny packet
 of the chondrule is melted, fused, sealed --
 ain't nothing going nowhere. From that point,
 the isotopes decay without any material being 
 allowed to escape. The uranium turns slowly 
 to a peculiar isotope of lead with a long halflife
 (billions of years). You count the uranium atoms;
 you count the odd lead atoms; calculate how
 long it took for some of the original uranium to
 that number of lead atoms. Since nothing can
 enter or leave the chondrule, it's pretty accurate
 (very accurate).
 
  No doubt the constituent components of our solar
  system date to that time, but does this mean that
 the
  formation of the condrules and their matrices date
 to
  that time?
 
 A solid rock, a melted lump (like a chondrule),
 a piece of glass (like a tektite) are all good
 dating
 candidates because atoms can't go waltzing in
 and out like it was a border bordello... Once a
 rock or any lump shows signs of being altered
 by the environment, partial melting or heating,
 aqueous modification, alarm flags go up.
 Sometimes, it's a good thing: a tektite's K/Ar
 date turns out to be when it either impacted or was
 impacted, but it's Rb/Sr shows (I think) its
 original
 formation date (curiously, about 480 mya). Many
 wouldn't agree with that, but they then have to
 explain 
 why its original Rb/Sr ratio is radically
 different from
 ANY other rock, on Earth or off. (Mostly that
 detail's
 ignored.) At any rate, it's different from its K/Ar
 date 
 (each tektite type has its own K/Ar date).
 
  If the dates are right, the problem becomes how
 did
  that many identical atoms get together in one
 place so
  that the chondrules could form?
 
 Not sure what you mean here. The chondrules 
 have many elements in many compounds, just like 
 the meteorites, many of the same ones. They were 
 gas and dust before being flash melted, typical of 
 the inner solar nebula -- the usual crap. Lots of
 argument
 about what melted them, and the details, of course,
 solar flare, electric currents in the disc, magnetic
 effects, shock waves?
 
 Your theory of pressure release isn't
 necessarily
 dead. What if a sudden short heating event (solar
 flare for
 example) melts them radiatively and heats the gas
 around
 that region. After the chondrule is flash fried, the
 hot gas
 (no longer being heated) expands rapidly and the
 heat and
 pressure around the chondrule drops as the gas
 expands and
 cools, letting them cool quickly by radiating their
 heat 
 away quickly (?). I should shut up; that's
 dangerously
 close to being chemistry...
 
 
 Sterling

---
 My favorite two books on the formation of the solar
 system are John S. Lewis The Physics and Chemistry
 of
 the Solar System. The 2 Ed. is $75, $35 used. (I
 was
 lucky; I caught it when it was remaindered out of
 print 
 and bought it for $8. The other is Stuart Ross
 Taylor,
 Solar System Evolution (1992) also very expensive.
 
 I bought a copy when 1st ed. was remaindered out of 
 print for $4. However, the 2nd Ed. (1999), much
 bigger, 
 is available used for $20:

http://www.bookcloseouts.com/default.asp?R=0521641306B

---
 - Original Message - 
 From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Sterling K. Webb
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation
 mechanism (Info Please)
 
 
  Hi Sterling, 
  
  If the dates are right, the problem becomes how
 did
  that many identical atoms get together in one
 place so
  that the chondrules could form?
  
  Since this question has no good answer, one is
 forced
  to look at the dating and exactly what it is that
 that
  dating measured.
  
  No doubt the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrule formation mechanism (Info Please)

[Mr EMan]

--- E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The problem still remains what caused sufficient
 number of atoms of the same type to be in the same
 place at the same time to produce the crystals and
 glasses observed.

I think crystal formation in a fluid preceded the
choundrule formation.  Seems standard mineralogy and
crystalography answer the how. The proto planetary
disk  was a fluid.  Molecules of a feather flock
together even in low gravity fields. Each undefined
circuit through time and space was another opportunity
for like molecules to sort themselves onto a latice.  

Whatever duration this crystal formation epoch
existed, it seemes to have been abruptly forclosed to
subsequent growth.(e.g. Depletion of the stock of
molecules by a sweeping solar megawind that sorted the
natural abundance of the elements in the solar system
based on atomic weight?) 

One current theory is that a period of intense
mega-lightening 500 million miles long flash-melted
the chondrules. If this were the case perhaps the
vitrified spherical globs slowly restored the crystal
lattice within the confines of the sphere.

I think this is a part of the answer but not the whole
story.

Elton



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[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Image of the Week - October 23, 2006

[Ron Baalke]

MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR 
Image of the Week
October 23, 2006

The following new image taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on
the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft is now available:

o A Few Good Barchans (Released 23 October 2006)
  http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2006/10/23

Image Caption:

This Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) image 
shows several small, dark sand dunes and a small crater (about 1 
kilometer in diameter) within a much larger crater (not visible 
in this image). The floor of the larger crater is rough and has 
been eroded with time. The floor of the smaller crater contains 
windblown ripples. The steep faces of the dunes point to the east 
(right), indicating that the dominant winds blew from the west 
(left). This scene is located near 38.5?S, 347.1?W, and covers 
an area approximately 3 km (1.9 mi) wide. Sunlight illuminates 
the landscape from the upper left. This southern autumn image 
was acquired on 1 July 2006. 

-

All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here:

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html

Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been
in Mars orbit since September 1997.   It began its primary
mapping mission on March 8, 1999.  Mars Global Surveyor is the 
first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as 
the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office
of Space Science, Washington, DC.  Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS)
and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC
using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates
the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global
Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin
Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO.

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[meteorite-list] mega -chondrule

[Dave Harris]

Hullo,
Further to the threads regarding mega chondrules and odd inclusions, Marc
Fries of the Geophysical Laboratory at the Carnegie Institution of
Washington is going to have a look at my Allende inclusion and hopefully
explain what the heck has gone on here!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/inclusion.jpg 

Naturally (with Marc's explicit permission, of course!) I will share the
results and hopefully we'll have a good idea of what's happening in this odd
slice!!


Also, on the subject of Marc, who did a lot of work on the petrogenesis of
Portales Valley (and amazing work too, BTW) I am pleased to announce that I
hope to get my first slice of fat and veiny PV soon, weighing in at a (for
me) hefty 28g thanks to Illinois Steve and Fleabay!

Now that IS an odd meteorite!!

And congrats to Martin A. and Stefan R. on their new lunar NWA 4483 - it is
a wonderful fresh looking specimen! Buy Buy Buy!!!


Cheers!

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS.
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[meteorite-list] During Solar Conjunction, Mars Spacecraft Will Be on Autopilot

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/20061020.html

During Solar Conjunction, Mars Spacecraft Will Be on Autopilot
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 20, 2006

Every day for the past decade, the U.S. has had a presence at Mars,
using spacecraft to understand this extreme world and its potential as a
past or present habitat for life.

During that time, all spacecraft have become virtually incommunicado for
about two weeks every two years. The reason is solar conjunction, which
occurs again from October 18-29, 2006. Solar conjunction is the period
when Earth and Mars, in their eternal march around the Sun, are obscured
from each other by the fiery orb of the Sun itself. Like dancers on
either side of a huge bonfire, the two planets are temporarily invisible
to each other.

Mission controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory respond in a
variety of ways. They turn off some instruments. They collect data from
others and store it. In some cases, they continue sending data to Earth,
knowing that some data will be lost. Whether they get a break from
everyday operations depends on what mission they're supporting.

No one attempts to send new instructions to Mars during solar
conjunction. It's impossible to predict what information might be lost
due to interference from charged particles from the Sun, and that lost
information could potentially endanger the spacecraft. Instead, prior to
solar conjunction, engineers send two weeks worth of instructions and wait.

While that may seem risky, automatic pilot has come a long way.
Engineers have become skilled at letting spacecraft be on their own.
Like parents who raise youngsters to be responsible and let them go on a
short vacation with their friends, they've done all they can to ensure
the voyagers will be healthy and safe.

The Question: To Rest ...

We worry a little bit because it's always possible that something
unexpected could happen, said Jake Matijevic, engineering team chief
for NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers. But, the rovers have made it
through solar conjunction before and we think they'll be OK.

Mission planners have already sent detailed schedules of activities to
the rovers. Spirit and Opportunity will scan the Martian sky for clouds,
measure atmospheric dust, conduct chemical analysis of dust, rocks, and
soils, and take pictures. Opportunity will join Spirit in staying put
temporarily. Both rovers will store the data and transmit it to Earth
later.

Solar conjunction might even be an opportune time for some team members
to take a few, well-deserved vacation days.

... Or Not to Rest?

In contrast, it's hard for the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter team to stay
away. The newest mission to arrive at Mars, the orbiter recently began
operating all of its instruments for the first time. The team is lining
up to see some of the most detailed images of Mars ever returned, as
well as new data that will likely rewrite our current understanding of
the Martian environment. Though scientists will turn off the
high-resolution camera during solar conjunction, some other instruments
may still collect data.

The spacecraft is getting a break, but everyone on the ground is still
working just as hard, said engineer Robert Sharrow, a system engineer
at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

That's true for the Mars Odyssey team too, who may be busier than usual
in coming weeks.

Solar conjunction is not typically looked at as time off, said Odyssey
Science Office Manager Gaylon McSmith. One of the things we'll be doing
is getting ready to increase our global mapping coverage of Mars, using
a technique known as off-nadir pointing.

Starting in December, instead of keeping the spacecraft pointed straight
down at the surface of Mars (nadir), navigators will rotate the
spacecraft to collect stereo images -- slightly offset images of the
same terrain. Like a pair of human eyes, the stereo views will enable
Odyssey's thermal camera to perceive depth and the relative position of
surface features.

Odyssey will continue sending its own data to Earth and relaying data
from NASA's two Mars rovers. Based on experience, Mars explorers know
they will lose some data while Mars is behind the sun with respect to
Earth. After solar conjunction, we'll have a big cleanup job telling
the rovers what information to re-transmit, said Matijevic.

Some Things Get Better with Age

These activities pose no problems for the pros. Mars Global Surveyor,
the granddaddy of all spacecraft at Mars, has continously mapped Mars
since 1999. Team members have solar conjunction down pat, and rest
easier than in prior solar conjunctions, when an antenna problem caused
some worries.

For a long time, explained Project Manager Tom Thorpe, an obstruction
limited the range of motion of the dish antenna that sends data to
Earth. To get around the problem, navigators flip-flopped the
spacecraft's high-gain antenna in a fairly complex procedure called a
Beta Supplement http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/technology/, 

RE: AW: [meteorite-list] living near a strewnfield

[tracy latimer]

I live about 100 mi. from the Honolulu strewnfield, but with 2 ocean 
channels in between me and any remaining rocks, I can't just drive over to 
search!


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[meteorite-list] barwell complete slice- need to sell

[harlan trammell]

have a 41g barwell england complete slice. MAKE OFFERS- i like cash or GA or FL skyrox or something else you may have that i can sell. the retail value of barwell is $100/ - just check all the websites if you can find any. the piece has crust and is a great display piece or has exccellent retail potential.i am much more inclines to sell here due ot hi ebay +paypal fees.
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[meteorite-list] Hitch Hike To Mars Inside An Asteroid

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn10358-hitch-hike-to-mars-inside-an-asteroid.html

Hitch hike to Mars inside an asteroid
David Shiga
New Scientist
23 October 2006

Burrowing inside an asteroid whose orbit carries it past both the Earth
and Mars could protect astronauts from radiation on their way to the Red
Planet. The idea is being investigated with funding from NASA.

Outside the protective bubble of the Earth's magnetic field, charged
particles from the Sun and from beyond our solar system in the form of
cosmic rays pose a hazard to astronauts.

Long-term exposure to this space radiation could increase the risk of
astronauts developing cancer and could interfere with their memory and
attention skills (see Future Mars astronauts have radiation on their
minds
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn10132-future-mars-astronauts-have-radiation-on-their-minds.html).

Building shielding on Earth to launch with the spacecraft would add a
lot of extra weight to the vehicle and would increase the cost of the
mission as a result. Other ideas, like a lightweight plasma bubble that
could be generated in space are being explored, but have disadvantages
of their own (see Plasma bubble could protect astronauts on Mars trip
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9567).

Now, the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) in Atlanta,
Georgia, US, is funding a study to see whether asteroids could be used
for radiation shielding. The study is being carried out by Daniella
Della-Giustina, a student at the University of Arizona in Tucson, US.

Protective burrow

A small population of asteroids pass by both the Earth and Mars in their
orbits. So the idea is that a spacecraft containing Mars-bound
astronauts could rendezvous with one of these objects as it goes by the
Earth and travel with it until it nears the Red Planet.

In one version of the idea, the astronauts would actually dig a hole in
the asteroid, put the spacecraft inside and cover it over with material
from the asteroid. Within this protective burrow, the spacecraft would
be shielded from cosmic rays during the six- to 10- month journey to Mars.

In a second version, the spacecraft would not contact the space rock.
Instead, it would hover nearby, and astronauts or robots would visit it
on spacewalks. You'd have the astronaut actually go to the asteroid and
begin to extract material, Della-Giustina told New Scientist.

The material collected could then be brought back and put into a hollow
shell surrounding the spacecraft. The shell of rocky debris would make a
radiation shield, she says.

The plan has some potential hurdles, but nothing that seems to rule it
out, says Daniel Durda of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder,
Colorado, US.

Pebbly material

He says it is unlikely that such a rendezvous would significantly alter
the asteroid's orbit but that the possibility should be investigated
further. Orbital changes could potentially divert it from its close
approach to Mars or even put it on a future collision course with the Earth.

Another problem is that the material on the surface of asteroids may not
be that easy to work with, he says. Some asteroids that have been
investigated close up, such as Itokawa, do show rubbly material on their
surfaces, but it is not fine-grained soil like on the Moon, he says.

There could also be a problem with static electricity. Ultraviolet light
from the Sun is expected to cause accumulations of electric charge on
the surface of asteroids, Durda says. This could cause bits of material
to stick to and gum up whatever machinery might be used to work the
surface of the asteroid, he says.

Secondary particles

But if these problems can be overcome, asteroid material has an
advantage because it does not need to be lifted out of a strong
gravitational field like the Earth's, he says. It would be a wonderful
resource for radiation shielding, he told New Scientist.

Della-Giustina has compiled a list of 40 asteroids with orbits that
cross those of both the Earth and Mars. As part of her study she will
make observations of these objects to see if any are B-type asteroids,
which contain a relatively small proportion of heavy elements.

Heavy elements produce dangerous secondary particles when struck with
cosmic rays, so are not well-suited for radiation shielding.

If further study indicates that using material from asteroids for
radiation shielding is practical, she hopes a robotic mission would be
sent to investigate the best candidate at close range to better
determine its properties.

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Fw: Fwd: [meteorite-list] mega -chondrule

[Dave Harris]

Marc has asked me toforward this to y'awl.


dave




---Original Message---


From: Marc Fries
Date: 10/23/06 20:39:19
To: Dave Harris
Subject: Fwd: [meteorite-list] mega -chondrule
Could you send this to the meteorite list? I can't seem to post for some reason.

Cheers,


Marc Fries
Research Scientist
Geophysical Laboratory
Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW
Washington, DC 20015
ph: 202 478 7970
fx: 202 478 8901



Begin forwarded message:

I contributed to the work on PV, but the credit for that work needs to go to Alex Ruzicka, the primary author. I'll be happy to share what I find with that inclusion - it caught my attention because it seems to have a trapped chondrule on one front, and what looks like small (CO-ish sized?) chondrules on the other side. I'm swamped with work at the moment, but I don't need to say that meteorites are addictive and just had to have a look at it. Let the merriment begin...

Cheers,

Marc Fries








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[meteorite-list] Need your Gmail invite / meteorites

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Hi all,
First, I must apologize for including 'meteorites' in the subject line. I
put it there so you guys wouldn't toss this out as spam. I need someone on
the list's help to start a Gmail account with Google. To do that, it
appears that someone has to invite me. Is there anyone on the list that has
the Invite a Friend box on their account page? Google randomly
distributes these. It seems such a strange way to sign up but that's
apparently how it works. Thanks very, very much for your help.
Meteoritically yours,
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[meteorite-list] Geologists Discover Impact Crater in India

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=102452

Geologists discover 'impact' crater in Rann of Kutch
The Navhind Times (India)
October 23, 2006

New Delhi, Oct 23: Indian geologists claim to have discovered a possible
impact crater in Kutch district of Gujarat dating back to the Vedic period.

The crater, suspected to have been formed by the impact of an
extra-terrestrial object, is seen as a circular feature near Luna
village in the northwestern Banni Plains of the Great Rann in Kutch
district.

The site -- the third in the country after Lonar in Maharashtra and
Ramgarh in Rajasthan -- is located about a kilometre away from a human
settlement belonging to the Harappan period and may have found reference
in ancient Sanskrit texts, which mention the 'impact of a burning
extraterrestrial object' in western India some 4,000-5,000 years ago.

While most other recognised craters are located within hard rocks, this
possible impact crater has special significance as it is located within
an extremely low-lying flat terrain comprising unconsolidated soft
sediments, and its appearance is unconventional and deceptive,
geologists Mr R V Karanth and Mr M S Gadhavi of the M S University of
Baroda said reporting their discovery in `Current Science`, a magazine
published by the Current Science Association and the Indian Academy of
Sciences.

The geologists, along with Mr P S Thakker of the Space Applications
Centre, surveyed the crater and found a dense growth of a variety of
Acacia plant species in the inner part of the rim. Villagers claim the
growth of the wild thorny plants was a recent phenomenon, about three or
four decades old.

The circular crater measures 1.2 km east-west and 1.2 km north-south and
forms a shallow depression filled with sediments and the lowest point of
which is hardly two metres above the mean sea level, they said.

Several lumps of dark and heavy objects -- irregular in shape and having
spherical cavities -- recovered from the rim crater's rim were strongly
attracted to hand magnets, the researchers said.

The objects, after a petrographic study, were classified into three
categories viz -- completely dark and opaque, completely transparent and
isotropic and those obtained from areas comprising both dark-opaque and
transparent-isotropic materials.

Under a microscope, polished dark-opaque (category-I) samples exhibit
thin shimmering lines that apparently resemble Neumann lines commonly
observed in iron-nickel meteorites, they said and called for an
appropriate analysis of the samples.

The transparent and isotropic samples can be compared to tektites
formed on account of melting and immediate solidification into glass of
the material of the impact site due to enormous heat generated, Mr
Karanth said.

After finding meteorite-like objects and suspected tektites, the
researchers are now planning to launch a search for high-pressure minerals.

They have called for a detailed study of the site, including references
to it in ancient Sanskrit texts to ascertain whether the crater led to
the wiping out of the Harappan civilisation, which flourished between
3000 BC and 1500 BC.

The findings reported by Mr Karanth, Mr Thakker and Mr Gadhavi are
preliminary and detailed study of the samples recovered from the crater
rim is in progress.

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[meteorite-list] Mineral Discovery Explains Mars' Landscape

[Ron Baalke]

http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_loader.php?id=4538e2391d442

Mineral discovery explains Mars' landscape
Queen's University (Canada)
October 20, 2006

A Queen's University researcher has discovered a mineral that could
explain the mountainous landscape of Mars, and have implications for
NASA's next mission to the planet.

Satellites orbiting Mars show us images of canyons and gullies that
appear to have been created by a flood or rapid out-washing, says Ron
Peterson, Queen's geologist. Exploration rovers, currently moving about
on the planet's surface, also show us that there is no visible water on
the surface of Mars, but that there was in the past.

Dr. Peterson suggests that Mars was likely wetter in the past. All of
the images that are coming back from the rovers show layering in the
rock which is indicative of sediment manipulated by water. This kind of
out-wash would require a fair amount of water on the planet at some point.

The study, published this week in GEOLOGY, a publication of the
Geological Society of America, suggests that these findings may provide
insight into how to retrieve a sample of Mars' surface and return it to
earth.

Dr. Peterson will share his findings with NASA at the Johnson Space
Centre in Houston next week to provide insight into designing the next
Mars exploration rover and planning its mission.

The discovery was made in Dr. Peterson's unheated garage using epsomite,
also known as Epsom salts. The solution was left to crystallize for
several days at temperatures below freezing, which formed crystals that
have unusual properties. The crystals were then rapidly melted, which
created mould-like channels and gullies - similar to what we see on the
surface of Mars.

Martian terrain may have been created in a similar fashion. Dr. Peterson
suggests that many years ago, water interacted with rocks on the surface
of the planet to create an acidic cocktail, which created layers of
material. When the surface layer melted, it created the topography that
exploration rovers show us today.

These findings may help us better understand the surface of Mars, says
Dr. Peterson, expert in geological science and engineering. These
possible new minerals that may be found on Earth help us see that
although there are many differences between Earth and Mars, such as
atmosphere and gravity, there are many things that are the same - it is
another world, but there are certainly similarities.

PLEASE NOTE: A PDF copy of the study is available upon request.

Contact:

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[meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[stan .]

i'm curious if anyone would care to share their thoughts for the best way to 
ship overseas from the US. up untill now i have always used usps global 
priority flat rate mailers. they are cheap and fast but you cant use the 
ebay / click-n-ship interface to send your packages. is airmail really all 
that much slower for outbound international shipments? comemnts both from 
sellers and buyers would be apreciated.


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[meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi List,
Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
dealing these two have been involved in.

Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
[meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
Iron with hole, Park Fores... 

I immediately read his post and then looked at the
Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 

After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 

When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
new to his collection page.

Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
money.

Just thought everyone should know.

p.s.
On the bright side some lucky person that actually
reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it 
a week or so at half the price!

Ruben Garcia
 



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[meteorite-list] From Marc Fries

[Dave Harris]

Could you send this to the meteorite list? I can't seem to post for some
reason. 


Cheers,


Marc Fries
Research Scientist
Geophysical Laboratory
Carnegie Institution of Washington
5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW
Washington, DC 20015
ph: 202 478 7970
fx: 202 478 8901








Begin forwarded message:


I contributed to the work on PV, but the credit for that work needs to go to
Alex Ruzicka, the primary author. I'll be happy to share what I find with
that inclusion - it caught my attention because it seems to have a trapped
chondrule on one front, and what looks like small (CO-ish sized?) chondrules
on the other side. I'm swamped with work at the moment, but I don't need to
say that meteorites are addictive and just had to have a look at it. Let the
merriment begin...


Cheers,


Marc Fries


 
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RE: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Mike Bandli]

I always use Global Priority. It seems to be a couple days faster. The only
downside is that you cannot insure, but I have never had a problem. Not to
mention the boxes are free and hold up to 4 lbs. Average cost is $8-10.

Airmail for even small boxes seems to top over 10-15 dollars a package.

I am all for Global Priority as long as the buyer is cool with no
insurance...

Kind regards,
 
Mike Bandli
www.Astro-Artifacts.com
A Destination For Space Related Artifacts
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of stan .
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:59 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

i'm curious if anyone would care to share their thoughts for the best way to

ship overseas from the US. up untill now i have always used usps global 
priority flat rate mailers. they are cheap and fast but you cant use the 
ebay / click-n-ship interface to send your packages. is airmail really all 
that much slower for outbound international shipments? comemnts both from 
sellers and buyers would be apreciated.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Dave Carothers]

My DO NOT BUY FROM... list just got bigger.

Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!


 Hi List,
 Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
 dealing these two have been involved in.
 
 Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
 post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
 [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
 Iron with hole, Park Fores... 
 
 I immediately read his post and then looked at the
 Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
 Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
 then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done. 
 
 After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
 delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
 was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.
 
 I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
 more on that later)still not having heard from Bob. 
 
 When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
 Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
 of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
 new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
 meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
 new to his collection page.
 
 Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
 just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
 Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
 money.
 
 Just thought everyone should know.
 
 p.s.
 On the bright side some lucky person that actually
 reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it 
 a week or so at half the price!
 
 Ruben Garcia
  
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Bob Evans]

True Ruben,
Steve Arnold did make an extraordinary trade offer for the Canyon Diablo 
piece. One that I couldn't refuse.
He made it verbally over the phone and when I went to cancel the auction you 
had already bought the piece. I think it sold in less than 20 minutes after 
the auction started.

So I apologize for not canceling the auction before you bought the piece.
I also apologize for Steve Arnold for rubbing salt in your wounds by 
displaying the piece on the  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day.

You have your money back and my apologies.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!



Hi List,
Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
dealing these two have been involved in.

Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
[meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
Iron with hole, Park Fores...

I immediately read his post and then looked at the
Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.

After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.

When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
new to his collection page.

Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
money.

Just thought everyone should know.

p.s.
On the bright side some lucky person that actually
reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
a week or so at half the price!

Ruben Garcia




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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[wahlperry]

Hi Ruben,

You should know better to buy or trade with Bob! Another list member 
had problems dealing with you know who.I would just leave a negative 
reply on ebay so the word gets out. Like you said it will be up for 
sale in a week or two you might be able to buy it then.


Sonny



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Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve 
Arnold!


True Ruben,
Steve Arnold did make an extraordinary trade offer for the Canyon 
Diablo piece. One that I couldn't refuse.
He made it verbally over the phone and when I went to cancel the 
auction you had already bought the piece. I think it sold in less than 
20 minutes after the auction started.
So I apologize for not canceling the auction before you bought the 
piece.
I also apologize for Steve Arnold for rubbing salt in your wounds by 
displaying the piece on the  Rocks from Space Picture of the Day.

You have your money back and my apologies.

Bob
- Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia 
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve 
Arnold!



Hi List,
Just thought everyone should be aware of the double
dealing these two have been involved in.

Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a
post to the Meteorite List with this heading.
[meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented 
Iron with hole, Park Fores...

I immediately read his post and then looked at the
Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The
Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the Buy it Now. I
then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.

After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add
delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it
was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.

I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend
more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.

When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see
Steve had sent it in as the Rocks From Space Picture
of the Day I then looked at Big Steves Very brand
new updated meteorite site and he has the very same
meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his
new to his collection page.

Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I
just checked my Paypal account and it does look like
Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any
money.

Just thought everyone should know.

p.s.
On the bright side some lucky person that actually
reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it
a week or so at half the price!

Ruben Garcia




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Re: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield

[Joe]

Steve and list, Is the marengo a strewn field? I think it was found in a rock pile. I do not think it was found in a "field". Am I wrong? Maybe we could go to woodbine or maybe even try and find another marengo. Maybe the week after Park Forest? Maybe even this Sunday. Serg and I are down to search anyv possible strewn field in IL, just let me know when you want to go. If anyone else wants to go to any of them they can also contact me on or off list.Thanks,Joe Kerchnerhttp://illinoismeteorites.com- Original Message From: steve arnold
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:17:39 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfieldIt seems that I actually live closer to the MARENGOstrewnfield (24 miles) than park forest.I am also only60 miles from the woodbind strewnfield as well.So Ihave to set the record straight.steve arnoldSteve Arnold,Chicago,USA!!BIG Steve's Meteorites,1999!!Website://:stormbringer60120.tripod.com__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__
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Re: [meteorite-list] living near a strewfield

[ted brattstrom]

Aloha - When I lived on that other island (Oahu) I was within 2-3km of the  Palolo touchdown point, (since I lived in Palolo Valley) and it must  have been within 10-15 km of the Honolulu meteorite strewn field.Since I live on the Big Island, no one has found / identified a  meteorite here - difficult due to the problem of looking for black  rocks on black rocks - or rocks in dense rainforest... They must be out  there :-)Cheers - ted - from the rocking and rolling island. 
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[meteorite-list] SALE- Santa Victoria do Palmar

[bob cucchiara]

Hi List, I have 4 largegorgeous full 
slices of the L3
Santa Victoria do Palmar from Brazil. These slices 
were cut off the main mass and expertly prepared by Marlin Cilz of the Montana 
Meteorite Laboratory.Brilliantlypolished on one side and saw cut on 
the other for contrast. Many large chondrulesin abusy matrix. Priced 
to sell fast at only $4 a gram! I prefer not to cut these up. Largest slice in 
existence490 grams. Others are 398, 389 and 375 grams. Email me off list 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-Chondrule

[Joe]

Hello List, This is a piece that I thought was considered duel lithogy, but I was told by a pretty relible person that the dark part is an inclusion, maybe even a chondrule, or a "DI" Dark Inclusion. The first link is to a photo of the main mass cut in half. The second link shows multiple photos of each half. This is a very interesting piece. The full stone was 163.8 grams. The dark part (chondrule,or incllusion,or different loithogy) covers about 40-45% of the stone.The 2 halves.http://illinoismeteorites.com/images/duellith5.JPGMultiple photos of each stone, main mass, and descriptions.http://illinoismeteorites.com/saharanmeteorites.htmThanks,Joe Kerchner,http://illinoismeteorites.com- Original Message From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:49:56 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mega-ChondruleHi Marcin,Good thread! NWA 2892 is a hard one to beat for Macrochondrules! This slicehas a 13.5mmx11mm chondrule.http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/august2005.htmlAnd NWA 4040 has some very large pale ('bright') inclusions. This one is38mmx28mm at widest points.http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/september2006.htmlCheers,Jeff- Original Message -From: PolandMETTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:22 AMSubject: [meteorite-list] Mega-ChondruleSoIf we are at this very interesting topic, maybe we make a little competition?Who have the biggest:a) complete chondrule (Gujba rulez ?)b) strange inclusion (exclude breccia fragments ofcourse)adA) My chondrule You know, I have the mirror slice of this one from ebay.size 9x9mmB) Here is my slice that I show maybe one year ago. Its slice with thebiggest inclusionhttp://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa4432_inclusion.jpgSize 30x23mm, non chondritich inclusion. Cumulative inclusion
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Platypus Girl]

This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that this simplycould be some kind of mix-up, and we shouldn't act too hastily. If intentional double-dealing were going on, it doesn't seem likely that the meteorite would quickly be posted as a "meteorite of the day" right out for everyone to see. Suzi  Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  My "DO NOT BUY FROM..." list just got bigger.Dave- Original Message - From: "Ruben Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:59 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold! Hi List, Just thought everyone should be aware of the double dealing these two have been involved
 in.  Last Wednesday evening(Oct 18, 2006) Bob Evans sent a post to the Meteorite List with this heading. [meteorite-list] Ad- Collection meteorites Oriented  Iron with hole, Park Fores...   I immediately read his post and then looked at the Canyon Diablo with a hole that he had for sale. The Canyon D. looked good and so I hit the "Buy it Now". I then paid via Paypal and the transaction was done.   After a few minutes I emailed Bob asking him to add delivery confirmation and also to let me know when it was shipped as I wanted to watch for it.  I left town on Friday (it was another Glorieta weekend more on that later)still not having heard from Bob.   When I returned Sunday night I was shocked to see Steve had sent it in as the "Rocks From Space Picture of the Day" I then looked at Big Steves "Very
 brand new updated meteorite site" and he has the very same meteorite that I had bought and paid for. Its on his new to his collection page.  Of course I emailed both but neither has replied! I just checked my Paypal account and it does look like Bob canceled my payment so I don't think I'm out any money.  Just thought everyone should know.  p.s. On the bright side some lucky person that actually reads Big Steves ridiculous posts will get to buy it  a week or so at half the price!  Ruben Garcia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around  http://mail.yahoo.com  __ Meteorite-list mailing list
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[meteorite-list] CHONDRULES

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Question for all: How many chondrules does a meteorite have to have to be called a chondrite?At what point does anachondrite become a chondrite? How can you call a ureilite an achondrite when it has some chondrules in it? That question has bothered me for the last 30 years! Jim
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shady dealings with Bob Evans and Steve Arnold!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi All,
Bob, of coure Steve made an extraordinary trade offer,
he is Steve Arnold! But once I hit the Buy it Now
and paid for it you didn't own it. I did.
The right thing to do was call up Big Steve and tell
him to contact me with his offer.
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[meteorite-list] SALE - NEW Campo for sale - over 154 kilo's

[Timothy Heitz]

Hello List,

I have some of the NEW Campo del Cielo for sale, over 154 kilo's 


Some of those have a movie clips showing a complete 360 view
http://www.meteorman.org/Campo_NEW.htm  

43.5 kilo piece is the biggest 



Best,
Tim Heitz

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Re: [meteorite-list] CHONDRULES

[makinsomenoise]

Here is a definition from pg 908 of Meteorites in the Early Solar System II, 
Lauretta and McSween, editors, that might help answer the question. It is a 
great book, that for the Glossary alone meteorite enthusiasts should get a copy 
of. 

chondrite-- originally defined as a meteorite that contained chondrules; now 
also implies a bulk chemical composition, for all but the most volatile 
elements, that is not far removed from that of the Sun.

Devin Schrader



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 Question for all:  How many chondrules does a meteorite have to have to be 
 called a chondrite?At what point does an achondrite become a chondrite?  
 How can you call a ureilite an achondrite when it has some chondrules in it?  
 That question has bothered me for the last 30 years!  Jim

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Re: [meteorite-list] usps global priority vs airmail

[Suzanne and Jim]

We have had many items sent from the US to Australia
and a lot of the sellers insisted on global priority.

For small articles we have had normal airmail letters
sent from the US arrive days before global priority
shipped the same day, so much for priority!.

but then we have had normal letters take over 2 weeks,
so it depends on a lot of factors.

It would appear that a couple of meteorite dealers
(names with-held to protect the not-so-innocent) think
that Global Priority has to ba a large envelope
costing around $10 (Large envelope rate) but small
items wrapped in bubblewrap are fine in the smaller
envelope ( around $5 small envelope rate) or normal
airmail ( around $2 - $3 ) a substantial difference
when you buy 100s of inexpensive meteorite slices over
many months. (been there, done that !)

Note that there is no weight limit on global priority
flat rate envelope just as long as it fits in the
envelope ( quote from USPS: Items must fit
comfortably within the envelope or box without
distorting or bursting the container)

We really cant see any advantage of using Global
priorty when the article is small.

For most small meteorites, slices and slides I would
say that normal airmail with appropriate reinforcement
would suffice. I have never had a breakage yet with
normal airmail.

Apparently you cant insure in Global Priority only
Parcel post so that may limit choices.

Oh yes while I think about it, I have had sellers (
NOT any meteorite dealers though! )  state that the
article must be insured being a condition of paypal (
hence must use parcel post). The last time I checked
Paypal seller insurance only applied when both the
seller and buyer were in the US , UK or Canada, 
Australia is not part of that arrangement!!! 


Suzanne  Jim

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[meteorite-list] Gloritea Trip

[Ruben Garcia]

Once again Earl and I took on the rugged beauty that
is Glorieta. It was cold at 7 a.m. on Saturday morning
when we began swinging our detectors, but we were
ready.

Earl found his nicest pallasite within about 5 minutes
of turning on his detector. It was a beautiful
specimen that was just bursting with olivine. He then
hit two more siderites after another couple of
minutes. 

By about 11 a.m. I was down 3 to zero and Earl was all
smiles! But, my luck was about to change. Just before
noon I found an amazing pallasite. One so nice that I
would have driven all the way to Santa Fe and hunted
all day just for that one.   

I guess thats not saying much since I've hunted all
day many times for nothing!

Earl did still manage to out do me in number of pieces
found. He had four siderites and two pallasites. I had
three siderites and just one pallasite. However, I
found bigger pieces
Just in case you were wondering, 
it IS a competition. Lol. Just kidding Earl.

Here are some pictures 

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/meteoritemall/album/576460762330142742#page1

Ruben Garcia 



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