Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Norm, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm understanding the process better because of those who took the time to actually explain EBAY to me. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Greg, You are not understanding the bidding process. Suppose you bid $10. Then I bid $100. I am am shown as having bid $11. You then bid $12. I am immediately shown as bidding $13. You then bid $14, I am automatically shown as having bid $15. I have not made another bid. This is all totally automatic until we get to my initial maximum ($100). When you bid $101, I will finally have to enter a new bid, for the first time, to keep in the race. Now I bid $150. I am shown as bidding $102. etc, etc. Cheers, Norm --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - EBAY Goodies ending tonight
Good Morning Meteorite Lovers I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com. ALL started at 99 Cents!!! Full recap on ebay at the following link: http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com Also a recap with photos is on Paul and Jim's website: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites/ebay/catch_a_falling_star_meteorites.htm Thanks for looking Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!!
Greg I buy, I don't sell. I'm so hopeless when it comes to mailing stuff that I'd get murdered on the feedback for taking weeks to get round to posting the stuff. Anyway, I'm going to explain it simply as there may be times when you fall victim to me by what you describe. Normally, I wait until the auction is about to end and then try to snipe it (outbid everyone else at the last minute). This usually works for me because I'm usually prepared to pay more for something I really want than others. Sometimes it doesn't. The reason it may not work is because someone outsnipes me (not a real word but who cares). Other times its because of what happened to you. Living in the UK, I cannot often be up at 3am when the auctions end so if I really REALLY want something, I'll put in an outrageous bid which I'm pretty sure nobody will outbid/snipe. Fortunately, it doesn't declare this full amount as my bid. It only places the amount to make me highest bidder. Whenever someone tries to outbid me, ebay will increase my bid up to but not beyond the maxmimum I was prepared to go. Often, My max bid on something I havetohave may be 2-3times market value of the meteorite I want. Nobody's going to bid this high and nobody's going to snipe that high either. So I win. Best of all, the following morning when I check expecting to have delicate parts of my body removed by my wife for spending so much, I find that the price I have to pay is much lower than I was prepared to go. I've taken a couple of real gems this way. 244mg of NWA3163 spring to mind as my favourite :) I'm pretty sure Dave F was not trying to be rude. The problem with written text is context is often hard to determine unless you're Shakespeare, Hemmingway, Tolstoy etc... Good luck with the bidding in future. Rob McC --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
Re: [meteorite-list] Test
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[meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Dear List Members, Yesterday I announced my new NomCom Approved Angrite which has a different lithology than the other known angrites. It is NWA 4590 Tamassint and is a Plutonic Angrite. For those who do not want to go to eBay to look up the complete information, here is the approved classification and a link to an abstract. This new angrite is gorgeous!! Link to Lunar and Planetary Science Conference abstract on NWA 4590: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1522.pdf Here is the NomCom Approved classification submitted to the Meteoritical Bulletin: == Northwest Africa 4590 Morocco/Algeria Find: June 2006 Achondrite (angrite) History: Scattered fragments from a small stone which appears to have shattered upon landing recently were found covering an area of ~40 m2 in the Morocco-Algeria border zone, 21 km SSW of Tamassint oasis and 18 km S of Agoult, Morocco. Greg Hupé purchased all the recovered material in June 2006 from a Moroccan dealer in Tagounite. He then traveled to Morocco and was shown the location by the original finder, and measured GPS coordinates. Physical characteristics: Fragments totaling 212.8 g of a very friable specimen composed of coarse yellow-green, black and white grains; very fresh with preserved shiny, black fusion crust on some pieces, and minor pale orange terrestrial weathering coatings on some broken surfaces. Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Coarse grained (mostly 0.6-1.6 mm, but some olivine grains up to 12 mm) with a plutonic igneous (cumulate) texture, and composed of clinopyroxene (33%, with rare pigeonite exsolution lamellae), pure anorthite (28%), olivine (14 %, with prominent subparallel exsolution lamellae (10-50 microns wide) of kirschsteinite), kirschsteinite (5%, with thin exsolution lamellae of olivine), ulvöspinel (18%), and accessory glass, troilite merrillite, Ca silicophosphate and metal (kamacite). Some anorthite occurs as subhedral grains partially enclosed within large ulvöspinel grains, but most occurs as intercumulus aggregates. Clinopyroxene is strongly zoned with paler colored, corroded cores surrounded by darker purple-brown mantles and distinct rims. Thin (5-50 microns wide) discontinuous, curvilinear zones of glass are present on some grain boundaries (notably those between anorthite and ulvöspinel, but also around and cutting across troilite grains), and are associated with secondary clinopyroxene, kirschsteinite, olivine, anorthite and troilite grains; these films of glass+daughter minerals truncate kirschteinite exsolution lamellae in adjacent olivine. This angrite is unlike other known specimens, having neither a fine grained quench or ophitic/intesertal basaltic texture nor a coarse metamorphic texture (Irving et al., 2006; Kuehner et al., 2007). Geochemistry: Clinopyroxene (Fs20.8-33.3Wo53-54.9, FeO/MnO = 85-278), olivine host (Fa72.6-74.7Ln3.5-3.6, FeO/MnO = 70-87), kirschsteinite lamellae (Fa44.7-45.4Ln46-47.2, FeO/MnO = 73-82), kirschsteinite host (Fa46.6-47.5Ln43.6-45.5, FeO/MnO = 63-68), olivine lamellae (Fa75-76.7Ln2.7-2.8, FeO/MnO = 71-74). Oxygen Isotopes (D. Rumble, CIW): analyses of two aliquots of acid-washed mineral fragments by laser fluorination gave, respectively, d18O = 3.845, 3.881; d17O = 1.927, 1.967; D17O = 0.0956, 0.0745 per mil. Classification: Achondrite (angrite). Specimens: A total of 20.01 g of sample, two polished thin sections and two polished mounts are on deposit at UWS, and 4 g at Harper. Mr. G. M. Hupé holds the main mass. Irving, A. J., Kuehner, S. M., Rumble, D. and Hupé, G. M. (2006) A fresh plutonic igneous angrite containing grain boundary glass from Tamassint, Northwest Africa. EOS, Trans. Amer. Geophys. Union 87, Fall Meet. Suppl., Abstract P51E-1245. Kuehner, S. M. and Irving, A. J. (2007) Grain boundary glasses in the Tamassint plutonic angrite: Evidence for rapid decompressive partial melting and cooling on Mercury? Lunar Planet. Sci. XXXVIII, Abstract #1522. == Here are some links to photographs of NWA 4590 Tamassint: Group image of NWA 4590 Tamassint: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590group.jpg Microscopic image of matrix at 12x magnification:: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590micro.jpg Close-up image of fusion crust at 10x magnification: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590crust.jpg Optical thin section image in cross-polarized light showing kirschsteinite and olivine (blue to green), clinopyroxene (yellow-brown to dark grey), intercumulus anorthite (white to pale grey) and ulvöspinel (black). Width of field is 2cm: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4590/nwa4590xpl.jpg Thank you for looking and enjoy! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Giving credit where (official) credit is due
Bob , Please stop emailing me. I would appreciate it in the future if you would share any of your concerns with Met List and not me. If anyone in this hobby is going to ruin it for the rest of us it will be you. With the rumored phone calls to the BLM and various Universities snooping for information I am sure this hobby will suffer. Sonny - --- See what's free at AOL.com. Attached Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Giving credit where (official) credit is due Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:56 PM Hi Sonny, That's a very good point. So good, in fact, that when I brought it up with the NomComm (several years ago) that's when they instituted having to supply specific data along with a request for a provisional number. But if you're still not comfortable with that, then by all means, don't get provisional numbers for that locality. But all of this is moot, because there are bigger issues, at hand, which require looking at the bigger picture. There appears to be some changes in the works. I may have to post to the List in order to address these broader issues. I don't have any of the details but rumor has it that somebody who found a bunch of meteorites on public lands has offended the hardliners at the Smithsonian by claiming that they all belong to the finder, which challenges the S.I.s claim of ownership of all finds on public lands. As a result, the status quo that we in California have been trying so hard to preserve is now out the window. The S.I. has up'd the ante. They have reacted by requesting a separate type specimen be delivered to the S.I. for any find made on public lands! But I don't know how much of this is true, and I don't want to spread a false rumor. Bob V. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/11/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. Hi Bob, I appreciate your concern. But lets try this one more time! The reason I do not wish to get a provisional number or name until all of the of the field work is complete is for this reason. Because of the loop hole you figured out many years ago! Not to say you that would do this. Example; Lets say a meteorite hunter has been working an area for a few years with many finds and received provisional numbers on all of his finds. Another is curious about this location. All he would have to do is say he found a couple meteorites from that location and request provisional numbers. The Nomenclature may reply Ok Bob,your provisional numbers will be 35 and 36! Bob never hunted this location, has just found out that 34 meteorites were recovered from this location. What a better resource for gaining information regarding a new location. This is a problem we have to address as a meteorite hunting community. I do not know the answer. We should come up with an idea on how to solve this problem. What the current system in place does is give confirmation of first meteorite found and credit to the finder. Unfortunately it can also be a source of information to someone digging for data. It is not the fault of the Nomenclature but a system that is in place. This is the reason I choose to wait on submitting information. Sonny ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hayabusa Update - April 4, 2007
http://www.isas.ac.jp/e/snews/2007/0406.shtml Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency Tokyo, Japan April 4th, 2007 Status of the Hayabusa As already reported, the spacecraft Hayabusa had been out of communication due to the leakage of the RCS (Reaction Control System) propellant for 7 weeks since Dec 9th, 2005, until the communication was resumed in Jan, 2006. The operations carried out since then included the baking of the spacecraft, slow recharging of the lithium-ion battery, the closure of the capsule lid, the attitude control and spin management tests with the new attitude control strategy via Xe cold-gas thrusters taking the advantage of the solar radiation pressure torque, and the test operations of the ion engines; A new trouble in an electric heater circuitry at the RCS occurred in Nov, 2006. It was conceived related and due to the RCS propellant leakage incident in 2005. Since the potential RCS propellant was anticipated frozen, the baking operation was again performed to vaporize the potentially-frozen material in order to avoid abrupt vaporization that might cause the attitude tumbled. Small perturbation disturbance in the spin motion was detected actually during this baking operation, but it was within an admissible range and not critical. The project team identified the baking and out-gassing operation was successfully performed. Four cells among the 11 lithium-ion battery cells were not functional caused by the short-circuit phenomenon occurred during the out-of-communication period in Dec, 2005, while no solar power was available owing to the tumbled spacecraft motion. The battery power was indispensable for inserting the sample-catcher into the recovery capsule, and also for the lid-closure operation that includes the latching and sealing of the lid. The seven healthy battery cells, thus, had been slowly recharged at a minimum current, until the recharging operation was successfully completed in Sept, 2006. Simultaneously in parallel to this operation, the ground simulation tests using a similarly and artificially-built short-circuited cell to the onboard battery cells were carried out in order to evaluate the operational safety associated with the sample-catcher insertion operation. After the safety was securely confirmed, the sample-catcher was actually transferred into the recovery capsule, and latched and sealed successfully on Jan 17th to 18th, 2007. The spacecraft has been undergoing the new attitude control scheme on orbit since Feb, 2007. The new scheme takes it into account that two of the three reaction wheels are lost and not available and the chemical thrusters propellant is completely lost. The attitude control and spin management maneuver are performed via Xe cold-gas thrusters and the solar radiation pressure was made good use of to make the ion engines thrust vector aligned to the intended acceleration direction. Under the new attitude control scheme, the ion engines have been successfully ignited and operated in the preparation tests so far done toward the return cruise. The spacecraft plans to start the actual return cruise in the beginning to the middle of April, 2007. Though the operation of the Hayabusa is still a challenge with full of difficulty, the project will make its best effort taking an aim at returning it to the earth in June, 2010. * The amount of Xe gas left on the spacecraft is more than 30kg while the cruise flight requires less than 20kg. Thus Xe gas is adequate for the rest of flight even taking the attitude control into account. [NOTE: Images supporting this release are available at http://www.isas.ac.jp/e/snews/2007/0406.shtml ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Greg, can you supply an ebay listing number where this has occurred? It would help clarify your question. Ebay introduced a new policy several months ago that does have a very negative impact on bidding, IMHO. On auctions that go over $200 bidders can no longer see who they are bidding against. Ebay replaces user IDs with bidder 1, bidder 2, etc. This makes it next to impossible to detect shill bidding. They justify this with a bunch of crap about protecting the ebay community. I found it very useful to know who the competition was for a particular item and it was educational to look at the bidders won-auction histories. Sometimes researching this led to new sellers of interest. No more. I wrote several emails to ebay about this and got the standard party-line canned-response about how ebay is protecting the community from phishing. They didn't bother to respond to my last missile. When you think about if from ebay's point of view, they are most interested in keeping sellers happy and driving up prices because that's how they make money. They pay lip service to bidders by promising honest auctions and providing a process for dispute resolution but after a certain point it becomes a money loser for them. Their resolution process is akin to dealing with the IRS. As a bidder, you have to know what your top number is and bid it. Doesn't really matter if you bid it now or bid it later because ebay will adjust your bid to go only as high as it needs to. Paul Swartz To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Greg, In light of recent comments about new rocks getting scant discussion, I will make some input on this one. I have to spend some time to pore/paw? over the Lunar and Planetary Science stuff in detail but it it seems interesting at a glance through. The great diversity of minerals in this rock and the fact that there are seemingly angrites of many different types and form make this new rock a great discovery. I used to think they were simply melted CVs but the structure of this seems to throw this into question. Probably wrong but it's very interesting. Can't wait until the messenger probe finally does it's stuff and starts sending back answers on Mercury. How embarrasing that here we are 46 years to the day since Gagarin's flight and we still know very little about one of our nearest neighbours. I somehow doubt that Mercury is the APB. Even with the bizaar theories of how mercury formed, these rocks should match the FeO characteristics we have for Mercury, surely? They are unlikely to have spent 4 billion years finding their way to earth. Amazing stuff, non-the-less. I'd love to be wrong. I can't help think they have an inkling of suspicion when they even have a name for them. Hermean meteorites? How interesting. I've never heard the term used before...but it has a certain ring to it. Rob McC --- Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members, Yesterday I announced my new NomCom Approved Angrite which has a different lithology than the other known angrites. It is NWA 4590 Tamassint and is a Plutonic Angrite. For those who do not want to go to eBay to look up the complete information, here is the approved classification and a link to an abstract. This new angrite is gorgeous!! Link to Lunar and Planetary Science Conference abstract on NWA 4590: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1522.pdf Here is the NomCom Approved classification submitted to the Meteoritical Bulletin: == Northwest Africa 4590 Morocco/Algeria Find: June 2006 Achondrite (angrite) History: Scattered fragments from a small stone which appears to have shattered upon landing recently were found covering an area of ~40 m2 in the Morocco-Algeria border zone, 21 km SSW of Tamassint oasis and 18 km S of Agoult, Morocco. Greg Hupé purchased all the recovered material in June 2006 from a Moroccan dealer in Tagounite. He then traveled to Morocco and was shown the location by the original finder, and measured GPS coordinates. Physical characteristics: Fragments totaling 212.8 g of a very friable specimen composed of coarse yellow-green, black and white grains; very fresh with preserved shiny, black fusion crust on some pieces, and minor pale orange terrestrial weathering coatings on some broken surfaces. Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Coarse grained (mostly 0.6-1.6 mm, but some olivine grains up to 12 mm) with a plutonic igneous (cumulate) texture, and composed of clinopyroxene (33%, with rare pigeonite exsolution lamellae), pure anorthite (28%), olivine (14 %, with prominent subparallel exsolution lamellae (10-50 microns wide) of kirschsteinite), kirschsteinite (5%, with thin exsolution lamellae of olivine), ulvöspinel (18%), and accessory glass, troilite merrillite, Ca silicophosphate and metal (kamacite). Some anorthite occurs as subhedral grains partially enclosed within large ulvöspinel grains, but most occurs as intercumulus aggregates. Clinopyroxene is strongly zoned with paler colored, corroded cores surrounded by darker purple-brown mantles and distinct rims. Thin (5-50 microns wide) discontinuous, curvilinear zones of glass are present on some grain boundaries (notably those between anorthite and ulvöspinel, but also around and cutting across troilite grains), and are associated with secondary clinopyroxene, kirschsteinite, olivine, anorthite and troilite grains; these films of glass+daughter minerals truncate kirschteinite exsolution lamellae in adjacent olivine. This angrite is unlike other known specimens, having neither a fine grained quench or ophitic/intesertal basaltic texture nor a coarse metamorphic texture (Irving et al., 2006; Kuehner et al., 2007). Geochemistry: Clinopyroxene (Fs20.8-33.3Wo53-54.9, FeO/MnO = 85-278), olivine host (Fa72.6-74.7Ln3.5-3.6, FeO/MnO = 70-87), kirschsteinite lamellae (Fa44.7-45.4Ln46-47.2, FeO/MnO = 73-82), kirschsteinite host (Fa46.6-47.5Ln43.6-45.5, FeO/MnO = 63-68), olivine lamellae (Fa75-76.7Ln2.7-2.8, FeO/MnO = 71-74). Oxygen Isotopes (D. Rumble, CIW): analyses of two aliquots of acid-washed mineral fragments by laser fluorination gave, respectively, d18O = 3.845, 3.881; d17O = 1.927, 1.967; D17O = 0.0956, 0.0745 per mil. Classification: Achondrite (angrite). Specimens: A total of 20.01 g of sample, two
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Giving credit where (official) credit is due
To Bob, Sonny and List, I know I'm going to open a can of worms with this reply, but I'm having a hard time keeping quiet. I know it is List policy to not post personal emails and it appears that Sonny has done just that. However, I stand in support of Sonny on this issue and find it offensive that Bob V. would insinuate or speculate that someone else has irritated or offended the Smithsonian Institute to the point that they are clamping down on meteorite hunters. Bob Verish wrote: (quoted from below) ...I don't have any of the details but rumor has it that somebody who found a bunch of meteorites on public lands has offended the hardliners at the Smithsonian by claiming that they all belong to the finder, which challenges the S.I.s claim of ownership of all finds on public lands. As a result, the status quo that we in California have been trying so hard to preserve is now out the window. The S.I. has up'd the ante. They have reacted by requesting a separate type specimen be delivered to the S.I. for any find made on public lands! But I don't know how much of this is true, and I don't want to spread a false rumor. If anyone has offended the hardliners at the SI, I think we need to look no farther that Bob Verish's side yard. Claiming that LA001 and LA002 were found in an old crate of agates and jaspers ( see Meteorite Magazine August 2000) in his side yard is more than likely the real cause of any rancor or animosity expressed by the SI. Shorty after Bob's rediscovery of his valuable twins, I had a long talk, in person, with Roy Clark Jr. He was of the very strong opinion that not only did the two Martian meteorites come from public lands, but that Bob also knew exactly where they came from. Now, that's just his opinion, and may or may not be mine as well, but I can see where that particular incident could possibly be the REAL issue that could create problems between meteorite hunters and the SI. Let's pin the tail on the right donkey. Let's give credit where credit is due. In closing, I will say the following. Any other time I've crossed swords with Bob V. he's bombarded me with condescending and derogatory emails. So, to keep the dog at bay, I forewarn Mr. Verish that I reserve the right to forward to this Meteorite List any emails he sends to me personally. Regards, John Gwilliam At 08:16 AM 4/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob , Please stop emailing me. I would appreciate it in the future if you would share any of your concerns with Met List and not me. If anyone in this hobby is going to ruin it for the rest of us it will be you. With the rumored phone calls to the BLM and various Universities snooping for information I am sure this hobby will suffer. Sonny - --- See what's free at AOL.com. Attached Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Giving credit where (official) credit is due Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:56 PM Hi Sonny, That's a very good point. So good, in fact, that when I brought it up with the NomComm (several years ago) that's when they instituted having to supply specific data along with a request for a provisional number. But if you're still not comfortable with that, then by all means, don't get provisional numbers for that locality. But all of this is moot, because there are bigger issues, at hand, which require looking at the bigger picture. There appears to be some changes in the works. I may have to post to the List in order to address these broader issues. I don't have any of the details but rumor has it that somebody who found a bunch of meteorites on public lands has offended the hardliners at the Smithsonian by claiming that they all belong to the finder, which challenges the S.I.s claim of ownership of all finds on public lands. As a result, the status quo that we in California have been trying so hard to preserve is now out the window. The S.I. has up'd the ante. They have reacted by requesting a separate type specimen be delivered to the S.I. for any find made on public lands! But I don't know how much of this is true, and I don't want to spread a false rumor. Bob V. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/11/2007 12:34:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that's all I'm asking of Sonny; to get the credit he deserves by securing it with provisional names and numbers. Otherwise, some other person could make another find from his study area unknowingly, and go ahead of him with getting that area named and 001 number approved, and worse, get published before Sonny could get proper credit. That's only one of many good reasons, Bob V. Hi Bob, I appreciate your concern. But lets try this one more time! The reason I do not wish to get a provisional number or name until all of the of the field work is complete is for this reason. Because of the loop hole
[meteorite-list] An apology.
To the List, I've been responding to messages from people on the List by sending them a reply and then carbon copying my message to the Meteorite List. I was told that this was bad protocol. I thought that I was doing things correctly. I thought that this was like a forum and everyone kind of shared communications. From now on, I'll make sure I look at who sent me the post and I'll only post it on the List if the List was carbon copied when the message was sent to me. Would that be the correct procedure? Any information here would be appreciated. I want to do what's right. Thanks. Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!!
Hi Rob, Thanks so much for your reply. Last night I got some very good explanations to my question. Your answer just adds to my understanding. I can now see how one person *seems* to be deliberately bidding up the price of an item, when in reality this is not necessarily the case. Again, thanks for taking the time to explain. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY not fixed. I just REALLY wanted it!!! Greg I buy, I don't sell. I'm so hopeless when it comes to mailing stuff that I'd get murdered on the feedback for taking weeks to get round to posting the stuff. Anyway, I'm going to explain it simply as there may be times when you fall victim to me by what you describe. Normally, I wait until the auction is about to end and then try to snipe it (outbid everyone else at the last minute). This usually works for me because I'm usually prepared to pay more for something I really want than others. Sometimes it doesn't. The reason it may not work is because someone outsnipes me (not a real word but who cares). Other times its because of what happened to you. Living in the UK, I cannot often be up at 3am when the auctions end so if I really REALLY want something, I'll put in an outrageous bid which I'm pretty sure nobody will outbid/snipe. Fortunately, it doesn't declare this full amount as my bid. It only places the amount to make me highest bidder. Whenever someone tries to outbid me, ebay will increase my bid up to but not beyond the maxmimum I was prepared to go. Often, My max bid on something I havetohave may be 2-3times market value of the meteorite I want. Nobody's going to bid this high and nobody's going to snipe that high either. So I win. Best of all, the following morning when I check expecting to have delicate parts of my body removed by my wife for spending so much, I find that the price I have to pay is much lower than I was prepared to go. I've taken a couple of real gems this way. 244mg of NWA3163 spring to mind as my favourite :) I'm pretty sure Dave F was not trying to be rude. The problem with written text is context is often hard to determine unless you're Shakespeare, Hemmingway, Tolstoy etc... Good luck with the bidding in future. Rob McC --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him.
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Hello Rob and List, I'd like to chime in on this angrite subject, one I find very exciting as attested to by my continued purchases of different angrite specimens. I have been following the ongoing reasoned discussions by some very smart investigators about a possible angrite-Mercury relationship. The newest angrite members have certainly opened some new avenues which lend some credibility to such a relationship. The decompression event which was proposed after studies on NWA 2999 was shortly thereafter explained by a different mechanism -- cooling under low pressure and oxidizing conditions. However, studies of this new angrite NWA 4590 reveal glass along mineral grain boundaries that incorporates re-precipitated primary minerals, which is thought to have formed by a rapid melting and cooling event consistent with decompression, as in the collisional stripping of the lithosphere of a large planet. One of the biggest hurdles for a Mercury connection was the significantly higher FeO content for the angrites versus what is observed on the surface of Mercury. The latest hypothesis out of UWS suggests the angrite material may represent an ancient, higher-FeO lithosphere from Mercury that has long since been removed through impact-related dissemination. As you point out, this material would have to enter a stable orbit around the Sun until relatively recently. In return for accepting this probability, we get a great many APB characteristics answered, such as its great age, planetary size, chemistry (e.g., the reversal of the Fe/Mn ratios for olivine and pyroxene as compared to those measured for other planetary bodies), the large exogenous meteoritical component appropriate for Mercury's location, and other characteristics. If not Mercury, the solution to this group's origin is still an exciting story and I'm keeping up. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions
Hi, some rocks for you to peruse and hopefully buy... Carichic Meteorite H5, ex Glenn Huss 4.26g, ex AML http://tinyurl.com/2w4zbh DaG 192 Meteorite CO3 0.5g - Rare carbonaceous chondr. http://tinyurl.com/3ddypt Very Rare - Chiang Khan Meteorite H6 0.09g - crusted! http://tinyurl.com/32tzjd and for those interested in Ammonites http://tinyurl.com/3b2f7e thanks Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] An apology.
Hi Greg; No need to apologize; unless your replies are personal in nature then you are doing the right thing as the List is meant to be a threaded discussion. The main thing to think about before you hit the send button is whether your reply is really relevant to everyone. It's kind of a subjective policy so just use your best judgement. Here are 2 examples: email: What is the best kind of metal detector for meteorite hunting? reply: The Fischer because - this should be CC'd to the List as the info. could benefit the List members email: I saw a show last night about meteorites that was good. reply: Cool, I saw it too. - this should not be CC'd to the List as it does not really add value Regards, Art Meteorite Mailing List On 4/12/07, GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the List, I've been responding to messages from people on the List by sending them a reply and then carbon copying my message to the Meteorite List. I was told that this was bad protocol. I thought that I was doing things correctly. I thought that this was like a forum and everyone kind of shared communications. From now on, I'll make sure I look at who sent me the post and I'll only post it on the List if the List was carbon copied when the message was sent to me. Would that be the correct procedure? Any information here would be appreciated. I want to do what's right. Thanks. Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Paul, I've gotten a lot of useful information from other members on the List. I think I understand EBAY a lot more now. I still remember seeing bidding that is hard for me to explain. If it happens again, I'll e-mail the item number to you and perhaps there will be a good and logical reason for it. Thanks for your help. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Greg, can you supply an ebay listing number where this has occurred? It would help clarify your question. Ebay introduced a new policy several months ago that does have a very negative impact on bidding, IMHO. On auctions that go over $200 bidders can no longer see who they are bidding against. Ebay replaces user IDs with bidder 1, bidder 2, etc. This makes it next to impossible to detect shill bidding. They justify this with a bunch of crap about protecting the ebay community. I found it very useful to know who the competition was for a particular item and it was educational to look at the bidders won-auction histories. Sometimes researching this led to new sellers of interest. No more. I wrote several emails to ebay about this and got the standard party-line canned-response about how ebay is protecting the community from phishing. They didn't bother to respond to my last missile. When you think about if from ebay's point of view, they are most interested in keeping sellers happy and driving up prices because that's how they make money. They pay lip service to bidders by promising honest auctions and providing a process for dispute resolution but after a certain point it becomes a money loser for them. Their resolution process is akin to dealing with the IRS. As a bidder, you have to know what your top number is and bid it. Doesn't really matter if you bid it now or bid it later because ebay will adjust your bid to go only as high as it needs to. Paul Swartz To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] No, Thank YOU
In a message dated 4/11/2007 10:31:08 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, My son and I just got home from a Diamondbacks game(they lost). I noticed that I've received 50 emails over the last 24 hours from list members wishing me well. Many asking me to think about coming back. I'm very moved! Thank you all! I will definitely take 6-12 months off and who knows if I can cure my skin problems maybe I will come back again. With people like Paul Harris, Geoff Notkin, Cindy Sue, Mike Farmer, John Birdsell, John Gwilliam, Maria and the other 43 friends that emailed it can't be all badright? For now Ken has asked to post some of my recent adventures on the IMCA website. Thanks again, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com -- No!! Thank You! For all the meteorites you found. For all the hunting tales. And for allowing us to move them to the IMCA site. Take care of your health. And best of luck in whatever you decide to do next. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sonic Boom in Florida?
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070411/NEWS01/70411023/1006/news01 It had thunder of a sonic boom, resident says BY DON WALKER FLORIDA TODAY April 11, 2007 The explosion was heard miles away. At Pineda Crossing, near the Suntree subdivision, John Panik said he was having trouble sleeping, got out of bed and turned on the television just before 3 a.m. I was sitting there and suddenly there was a loud boom, Panik said. It shook the windows - not like a big rattle, but a little one. I thought, 'That's not normal.' The clock read 3:30 a.m. Panik called the Brevard County Sheriff's Office, and was told by dispatcher they'd send a deputy out to check out the area. He also contacted Patrick Air Force Base, and was told they didn't know anything about it. I thought it was a sonic boom, he said. That's what I told the sheriff. Like the shuttle returning, but usually you hear two booms, not one. This morning, reports of the explosion were all over the television. Everybody freaked out. My wife said, 'Oh, you did hear something,' Panik said. There have also been calls to FLORIDA TODAY from residents in Satellite Beach who heard the explosion. This story is developing. If you heard the explosion and would like to comment, please contact Walker at 242-3527 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please include name and a phone number. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hello Greg; I think one of the other list members was close to solving the problem for you. RESERVE, I know i have wanted to seriously bid an item that had a reserve price and to get to the reserve without going over what i could afford i would bid in 10.00 increments until i reached the reserve or quit when i came to an amount i didn't want to exceed. This may be what you are seeing on ebay. Hope this helps;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] pics of us
Hi What was the URL for the list of us bods on the Metlist? ta! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
NO ONE would ever shill bid on ebay, would they? ebay bidding fixed? - surely you jest? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:42:58 EDTHello Greg;I think one of the other list members was close to solving the problem foryou. RESERVE, I know i have wanted to seriously bid an item that had a reserveprice and to get to the reserve without going over what i could afford iwould bid in 10.00 increments until i reached the reserve or quit when i came toan amount i didn't want to exceed.This may be what you are seeing on ebay.Hope this helps;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 4537 New Aubrite on Ebay
I have put the unique piece for sale, the other its ready for a trade, of this Aubrite NWA 4537. The auction its here http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=016sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3... other pieces coming in this days on ebay Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Hi, Here's a nice discussion of the FeO of Mercury: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Oct01/MercuryMtg.html We used to think FeO was 5-6%; now the thinking is 2-3%, which gives us this interesting sequence for the inner planets: Mercury 3%, Venus 7%, Earth 8%, Mars 18% FeO, making an inverse relationship between FeO and the amount of iron in their cores (?). There's the suggestion that David mentioned, that it's old Mercurian crust from the Big Whack that's been hanging around for 4+ billion years. David said to Rob: As you point out, this material would have to enter a stable orbit around the Sun until relatively recently. That sounds like he means a close inner system orbit. If you mean an inner solar system orbit, there is no stable place for a rubble collection, sunward asteroid belt, or other assortments of planetary leftovers that far downtown. And, oddly, the inner system has been searched for various supposed asteroids, the Vulcanoids, many times with no success. There is no quiet home life for small bodies in the inner system as long as there are large bodies in the neighborhood throwing, if not their weight, their gravity around. There IS a place where large collections of small bodies can persist for a long, long time, a giant junkyard and planetary leftover surplus yard from 1.6 to 4.2 AU (more or less), called the Asteroid Zone. It is full of stuff from the inner system. Remember the recent SRI study that showed that the dynamics of the many large iron cores in the Zone demonstrate that they likely came from very close in (from sunward of Mercury out to sunward of Venus)? Of course, there no identified parent bodies, but that failing is common for many types of meteorites. A radical theory! Meteorites come from the Asteroid Zone!!! No, wait... Is that a new idea? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint Greg, In light of recent comments about new rocks getting scant discussion, I will make some input on this one. I have to spend some time to pore/paw? over the Lunar and Planetary Science stuff in detail but it it seems interesting at a glance through. The great diversity of minerals in this rock and the fact that there are seemingly angrites of many different types and form make this new rock a great discovery. I used to think they were simply melted CVs but the structure of this seems to throw this into question. Probably wrong but it's very interesting. Can't wait until the messenger probe finally does it's stuff and starts sending back answers on Mercury. How embarrasing that here we are 46 years to the day since Gagarin's flight and we still know very little about one of our nearest neighbours. I somehow doubt that Mercury is the APB. Even with the bizaar theories of how mercury formed, these rocks should match the FeO characteristics we have for Mercury, surely? They are unlikely to have spent 4 billion years finding their way to earth. Amazing stuff, non-the-less. I'd love to be wrong. I can't help think they have an inkling of suspicion when they even have a name for them. Hermean meteorites? How interesting. I've never heard the term used before...but it has a certain ring to it. Rob McC --- Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members, Yesterday I announced my new NomCom Approved Angrite which has a different lithology than the other known angrites. It is NWA 4590 Tamassint and is a Plutonic Angrite. For those who do not want to go to eBay to look up the complete information, here is the approved classification and a link to an abstract. This new angrite is gorgeous!! Link to Lunar and Planetary Science Conference abstract on NWA 4590: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2007/pdf/1522.pdf Here is the NomCom Approved classification submitted to the Meteoritical Bulletin: == Northwest Africa 4590 Morocco/Algeria Find: June 2006 Achondrite (angrite) History: Scattered fragments from a small stone which appears to have shattered upon landing recently were found covering an area of ~40 m2 in the Morocco-Algeria border zone, 21 km SSW of Tamassint oasis and 18 km S of Agoult, Morocco. Greg Hupé purchased all the recovered material in June 2006 from a Moroccan dealer in Tagounite. He then traveled to Morocco and was shown the location by the original finder, and measured GPS coordinates. Physical characteristics: Fragments totaling 212.8 g of a very friable specimen composed of coarse yellow-green, black and white grains; very fresh with preserved shiny, black fusion crust on some pieces, and minor pale orange terrestrial weathering
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Amazing stuff Sterling. I'm thinking this makes Angrites less likely to come from Mercury but does anyone have a CRE of Angrites? I just had it in my mind that it was only a few million to a few hundred million years which I think puts another nail in the coffin. If they're 4000MYr or so then obviously I need to remortgage my house and buy Greg's 30k chunk of this new angrite. I'm not accepting any ages of angrites from Greg or his friends or family at this point. hehe! Rob McC --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Here's a nice discussion of the FeO of Mercury: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Oct01/MercuryMtg.html We used to think FeO was 5-6%; now the thinking is 2-3%, which gives us this interesting sequence for the inner planets: Mercury 3%, Venus 7%, Earth 8%, Mars 18% FeO, making an inverse relationship between FeO and the amount of iron in their cores (?). There's the suggestion that David mentioned, that it's old Mercurian crust from the Big Whack that's been hanging around for 4+ billion years. David said to Rob: As you point out, this material would have to enter a stable orbit around the Sun until relatively recently. That sounds like he means a close inner system orbit. If you mean an inner solar system orbit, there is no stable place for a rubble collection, sunward asteroid belt, or other assortments of planetary leftovers that far downtown. And, oddly, the inner system has been searched for various supposed asteroids, the Vulcanoids, many times with no success. There is no quiet home life for small bodies in the inner system as long as there are large bodies in the neighborhood throwing, if not their weight, their gravity around. There IS a place where large collections of small bodies can persist for a long, long time, a giant junkyard and planetary leftover surplus yard from 1.6 to 4.2 AU (more or less), called the Asteroid Zone. It is full of stuff from the inner system. Remember the recent SRI study that showed that the dynamics of the many large iron cores in the Zone demonstrate that they likely came from very close in (from sunward of Mercury out to sunward of Venus)? Of course, there no identified parent bodies, but that failing is common for many types of meteorites. A radical theory! Meteorites come from the Asteroid Zone!!! No, wait... Is that a new idea? Sterling K. Webb Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD/Trade Books: looking for O'Keefe(1976) swap for Mason or Burke?
I'm looking for a copy of O'keefe's 1976 Tektites and Their Origin (Developments in Petrology) and wondered if by any chance anyone would entertain a copy of Cosmic Debris (Burke) or Meteorites (Mason) in trade. Both are ex-library hardback. Please respond off-list. Thanks and Regards, Phil __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Plutonic Angrite - NWA 4590 Tamassint
Hello Sterling and hopeful Hermean collectors, The angrites have FeO contents in the general range of ~25 wt%, so if they are from Mercury this does not conform to your inverse iron core ordering, unless the core of Mercury was not fully differentiated before the impact-related dissemination occurred. Some angrites like NWA 2999 do contain too much iron to be consistent with representing a completely differentiated body. As for the stable orbit, the iron cores of early differentiated bodies which formed near Mercury and now stored in the inner asteroid belt is a good point, although I was thinking about possible Lagrange-like regions. Storage in the the inner asteroid belt is definitely more reasonable. For Rob, here is some CRE age info: The results of CRE age studies (Eugster et al., 2002) utilizing cosmogenic nuclide data indicate that the CRE age of D'Orbigny (12.3 +/-0.9 m.y.) is significantly different from that of other angrites studied: Sah 99555 (6.6 +/-0.8 m.y.), Asuka 881371 (5.4 +/-0.7 m.y.), Angra dos Reis (55.5 +/-1.2 m.y.), LEW 86010 (17.6 +/-1.0 m.y.), and LEW 87051 (~0.2 m.y.). All or most of these angrites represent unique ejection events on the angrite parent body. I don't have CRE data yet for the latest finds. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
