[meteorite-list] Anyone have full text of this?
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[meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry
Sorry, I very rarely even get caught up in this kind of crap, but all this talk about religion and politics IS really tiring. This is a GD meteorite List, and stupid discusions like this are more of the norm it seems now adays, and that`s what drives people away from here more than anything. I`ve been getting more dishearten about collecting lately because of this crap, and about ready to sell my collection and get away from it. I`ve met some great people and would hate to lose there friendship and going to the different meteorite shows. Just chill out! About 99% of us don`t want to hear it anymore! Dave p.s. I will be seeing everyone in Ensisheim in two weeks once again! :) Chris, I think we have had enough of this NON-meteorite-related talk. I for one am tired of the emails! Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Chris Merry To: meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry Mr. Altman, I was wondering when one of you guys were gonna crawl out and come at me, thanks for being among the first. Obviously you are threatend by free speech, unless it is your viewpoint. Like I said belive how you wish...I guess to you it is alright to put Chirstians down, just leave the science alone. It also says in the Bible, to paraphrase, a fool says there is no God. Back to stones, please. Man go talk to your buds Mr. Steling and Larry, they started this! Any great to hear from you, I always like to mix it up a bit. :-) Chris -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Items Ending On eBay in about One Hour AD
Greetings, I have five auction ending in about one hour for those interested. These are high end collector items. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZalmittmet --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mammoth-Killer Impact Gets Mixed Reception From Earth Scientists
News of the Week PALEONTOLOGY: Mammoth-Killer Impact Gets Mixed Reception From Earth Scientists Richard A. Kerr CREDITS: ALLEN WEST ACAPULCO, MEXICO--A headline-grabbing proposal that an exploding comet wreaked havoc on man and beast 13,000 years ago got its first full scientific airing at a meeting here last week. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5829/1264#FN1#FN1 * Many geoscientists who attended nearly a day of talks and posters on the putative impact called the idea cool. But they're not dashing off to rewrite the textbooks yet. A loose consortium of more than 25 scientists is arguing that a massive comet exploding in the atmosphere over North America wiped out the mammoths, terminated the founding Paleo-Indian culture, and triggered a millennium-long reversion to an ice age climate. We're quite sure there was an impact, says analytical chemist Richard Firestone of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, one of the consortium's two leaders. Not so fast, say veterans of decades-long wrangling over how cosmic collisions have affected Earth and the life on it. There is some interesting evidence that deserves study, says cratering researcher Peter Schultz of Brown University, a member of the consortium who did not attend the meeting. But the evidence for an impact is too new and unconventional to be conclusive. The impact wars have been raging since scientists first began working out geologic markers for ancient impacts in the 1960s. By the 1980s, researchers found 65-million-year-old sediments that contained too much of the element iridium--rare on Earth but enriched in meteorites. That discovery pointed the way to mineral grains scarred by the shock of the impact that killed off the dinosaurs. Geologists eventually found the crater from that impact. In the 1990s, geochemist Luann Becker of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and colleagues said they had found impact markers at the mother of all mass extinctions, the Permian-Triassic 251 million years ago (Science, 23 February 2001, p. http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/291/5508/1469 1469). These markers included metallic grains and molecular cages composed of carbon--called bucky-balls or fullerenes--filled with extraterrestrial helium. Three Science papers later, however, Becker's group has failed to make its case for a Permian-Triassic impact. In fact, despite considerable effort, no one else has found fullerenes or extraterrestrial helium at the Permian-Triassic boundary. Now Firestone and some of his consortium colleagues, including Becker, say they have found nearly a dozen kinds of recent impact markers at 26 sites from California to Belgium. Most of the supposed markers are new types; many have never before been reported in the geologic record. The consortium got its start in 1999 when retired archaeologist William Topping of Deming, New Mexico, approached Firestone with unusual mineral grains from sediments at Gainey, Michigan. The grains came from the base of a black layer rich in organic matter left during the Younger Dryas, a cold snap that began 12,900 years ago and lasted 1000 years. The black mat lies just above the last arrowheads and spear points crafted by the Paleo-Indian Clovis people, as well as the last bones of the mammoths the Clovis hunted. From the odd composition of the Gainey samples, Topping and Firestone inferred that the sediments had been tagged 12,900 years ago by radiation from a nearby supernova that devastated the Western Hemisphere. In late 2004, Allen West, a retired geophysical consultant in Prescott, Arizona, offered to help with the by-then-stalled project. Other specialists soon came on board. West collected most of the samples and funded much of the work with $70,000 of his own fun money. Given new evidence, the researchers have discarded the supernova scenario in favor of a major collision. They believe the impacting object contributed many of their proposed markers: iridium; irregularly shaped metallic grains, some extraordinarily high in titanium; the same metallic grains melted into microspherules; nanodiamonds; fullerenes carrying extraterrestrial helium; and excess potassium-40. These markers have no way of being produced except by impact, Firestone said at a press conference at the meeting. The collision with Earth, they propose, produced other markers: soot and charcoal from global wildfires; vesicular carbon microspherules; and melted, glasslike carbon. The latter two carry the nanodiamonds. Because they have found no crater or shocked minerals, West and Firestone say the alien object probably did not slam into the ground. They believe an icy comet several kilometers in diameter and dirtied with rock and carbon approached Earth and broke up into bits, as comet Shoemaker- Levy did before it hit Jupiter in 1994. Each fragment exploded in the atmosphere over North America before reaching the ground, in their scenario. The resulting shock
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 28 - June 1, 2007
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES May 28 - June 1, 2007 o Sinuous Ridge (Released 28 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070528a o Dunes (Released 29 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070529a o Ice Edge (Released 30 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070530a o Fractures (Released 31 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070531a o Crater Dunes (Released 01 June 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070601a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - May 31, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Remarkable Rover Continues to Astonish - sol 1200-1206, May 31, 2007: Spirit is still making new discoveries despite dragging its feet, so to speak, after losing use of the right front wheel 426 sols, or Martian days, ago. In the process of creating small trenches while traversing Martian terrain, the dragging right front wheel revealed one of the most astonishing discoveries so far -- exceptionally high silica content in Martian soil, indicative of water at some point in the past. Two of Spirit's scientific instruments -- the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer and the miniature thermal emission spectrometer -- measured a composition of about 90 percent pure silica in a soil target known as Gertrude Weise. Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to daily observations of atmospheric dust levels using the panoramic camera and surveys of the sky and ground using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1200 (May 19, 2007): Spirit started a 23.25-hour study with the Moessbauer spectrometer and surveyed the rover's tracks as well as targets known as Josephine Kabick, Nalda Phillips1, Nalda Phillips2, Marilyn Olinger, and Eileen Burmeister with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 1201: Spirit watched for morning dust devils, stowed the robotic arm, and bumped backward in 60-centimeter (24-inch) steps, or intervals. After each step, Spirit scuffed the soil with the left front wheel by rotating the wheel 180 degrees. The rover did this for a distance of 4.19 meters (13.8 feet). After the drive, Spirit acquired images of the scuffed terrain and the terrain ahead with the navigation camera. Sol 1202: Spirit completed a survey at high sun using the panoramic camera. Spirit acquired panoramic camera images of the scuffed area and surveyed Gertrude Weise with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover searched for dust devils by acquiring navigation camera movies in coordination with overhead observations by the High Resolution Science Imaging Experiment on board the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. Sol 1203: Spirit monitored dust on the rover mast and watched for dust devils in the morning. Spirit acquired navigation camera images before driving 6.68 meters (21.9 feet) around obstacles en route to Home Plate. After the drive, Spirit acquired images with the hazard avoidance cameras and navigation camera. Sol 1204: Spirit spent the first part of the sol analyzing the rover's external calibration target with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, searching for clouds with the navigation camera, and acquiring movies in search of dust devils with the navigation camera. The rover then acquired image mosaics of the dune field known as El Dorado with the panoramic camera in addition to systematic foreground data with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit acquired navigation camera images, searched again for dust devils, and acquired more panoramic camera images. Sol 1205: Spirit completed a systematic ground survey with the panoramic camera, unstowed the robotic arm, brushed the surface of a target known as Pesapallo, acquired stereo microscopic images of the surface, then placed the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer on it. Spirit acquired data with the alpha-particle X-ray spectrometer for 18.75 hours. Sol 1206 (May 25, 2007): Spirit searched for morning dust devils, retracted the robotic arm, and placed the Moessbauer spectrometer on Pesapallo. The rover acquired Moessbauer spectrometer data for 23 hours. Spirit acquired panoramic camera images of a target known as Bullpen and miniature thermal emission spectrometer data from a target known as Joyce Steel. The following morning, Spirit was scheduled to conduct a survey of the horizon with the panoramic camera in addition to studies with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Odometry: As of sol 1204 (May 23, 2007), Spirit's total odometry was 7,120.34 meters (4.42 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 28 - June 1, 2007
Hi, all, This one is very interesting - the curved feature to the bottom of the image... Sinuous Ridge (Released 28 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070528a Remnant of an old canal? ;) I know there are impact/crater experts on this list; Because of the seemingly consistent form for quite a length, would this have to be a geological feature and not what is left of an old, weathered crater lip? In the image context map: http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070528a there appears to be similar semicircle shapes on both sides of the image... Cheers, Pete From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 28 - June 1, 2007 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:21:58 -0700 (PDT) MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES May 28 - June 1, 2007 o Sinuous Ridge (Released 28 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070528a o Dunes (Released 29 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070529a o Ice Edge (Released 30 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070530a o Fractures (Released 31 May 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070531a o Crater Dunes (Released 01 June 2007) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070601a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your “ freebies” de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
I agree with Paul 110%. If anyone else out there is tired of the crap, please waste a little bandwidth for a good cause and let everyone know how you feel. This is one circumstance where your vote might actually mean something. Have a good weekend, John Gwilliam At 11:43 AM 6/1/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your â freebiesâ de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
E-mail filters have already been invented. If you have more brains than Stevie you can likely figure out how to use it. Helpfully, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New Meteorites For Sale Page
Dear List, Our new Meteorites For Sale page is finally ready for you to browse. I start by stating what this new page isn't. Our page isn't trying to be a replacement for the Meteorite Dealers own page, nor are we trying to replace ebay. Rob Wesel said best when he described meteorite.com as a portal to get you where you want to go. Features: - - Search Engine to search dealers inventory and dealers current ebay items. Quickly see who has what you're looking for. - An ebay lookup window to see which dealers currently have ebay auctions running - then click on dealer name to see.their auctions. - Quickly check what's on ebay without having to leave site. - See the latest free meteorite classifieds from Meteorite-Times. - Free enhanced Meteorite Dealer listing See new page here: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorites-for-sale.htm Meteorite Dealers can add their free listing here: (please note: it takes 1-1/2 to 2 hours of work per listing so please be patient - thank you) http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-dealers/add_listing/index.htm We hope you find our new page useful. Thank you, Paul and Jim The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shergotty a eucrite ... not: Then and Now
Hello List, We all know that the acronym SNC stands for the three typical samples of the group: Shergotty, Nakhla, and Chassigny. But 135 years ago, G. Tschermak was still unaware of the exotic nature of these meteorites and grouped them with the eucrites. In 1872, he wrote: Shergotty, which I described several years ago, should also be included with the eucrites. It is a conspicuously granular rock consisting essentially of dull yellow-gray grains and prisms, which were found to be augite, and water-clear glassy grains and laths. The latter resemble no known mineral; I named this material maskelynite. The SNC's must have come from a different parent body - different from Earth, from our Moon, and from the parent body or bodies of the HED suite. This is reflected in the displacement of their oxygen isotopes when plotted in a diagram (see O.R. Norton's Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 157, Fig. 8,15). Another telling feature of the SNC group is their young crystallization ages - in other words they must have come from a celestial neighbor where volcanic activity was an ongoing process not too long ago. According to Susanne Schwenzer et al., the following observations are considered highly indicative of a Martian origin of the SNC meteorites: 1. SNC meteorites belong to one group, as proven by many chemical and isotopic investigations, pointing to a common parent body. 2. All SNC meteorites are differentiated magmatic rocks, with some of them showing volcanic textures. 3. The young crystallization ages of 1.3 Gyr, requiring a parent body that still shows igneous activity at such a late time in solar system history. 4. Direct evidence from Viking 1, when the concentrations and compositions of noble gases in the Martian atmosphere were measured and compared to those found in SNC meteorites in our collections. 5. The rovers Spirit and Opportunity found rocks on Mars with chemical signatures identical to those of some of the Martian meteorites in our collections (Bounce Rock, for example, has geochemical characteristics, such as the Fe/Mg ratio, consistent with that of shergottites). Reference: Schwenzer S. et al. (2007) Noble gases in mineral separates from three shergottites: Shergotty, Zagami, and EETA79001 (MAPS 42-3, pp. 387-412, Introduction). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
Well said, Paul. I completely agree with your analysis. After years of going around in circles over this issue, I have come to the conclusion that there is no cure for a self-aggrandizing imbecile who has pleaded guilty on all counts of list abuse, apologized numerous times and promised to reform, but never has. He reminds me of a number of politicians who have the same disorder. In psychiatric/psychology terms Steve's condition is generally referred to as Dependent Personality Disorder. This is a treatable condition, but obviously suggestions from folks who really only want to talk about meteorite related topics have little or no effect upon the subject (that being Steve in this instance.) I would suggest to Steve that in order to live a much more fulfilling life in a more normal way that perhaps he should take a break from meteorites for awhile and seek professional help. Then come back when you're fixed. Good luck with that. Paul, thanks for speaking up (again). Best regards, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your “ freebies” de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
Honestly, You guys are a hoot. Case in point: Asking Chicago Steve to , Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. I mean come on! Really! If he had access to either of these skills don't you know he would use them - at least occasionally? Personally, I giggle every time I read one of his posts - and the more outlandish, the harder I laugh - not because Steve is so off the wall, but because inside my head I am dancing with delight in anticipation of the list members who will soon be bouncing off the walls, threatening to leave the list, cursing him out, calling him names, etc. It never ceases to amaze and entertain me that grown men who supposedly have more sense than Chicago Steve are lacking in the most basic understanding and insight into his level of functioning. I mean it is like a father who threatens to leave home because his two year old repeatedly tracks dirt into the house or gets sticky stuff on his hands. And the funniest thing of all is the self righteous indignation people have about this. What don't you get? Would you repeatedly become enraged at a two year old who repeatedly knocked over his milk at the dinner table and got his sleeve in the mashed potatoes? Some people just don't have the same wiring those more fortunate than they. Some of them became serial killers, some are homeless and talk to themselves, many are in prison, etc. Chicago Steve clearly TRIES to be as good a guy as he can be. Unfortunately, that is more than can be said for many of us. I know it is not always true of me. Demanding that Steve practice common sense is a riot! And all of this from people who KNOW what is going to be in his posts before they open them - yet INSIST on reading them and then DEMAND that HE change! (they shouldn't have to use the delete key or use an email blocker - it isn't fair.) Common, guys, you're killing me! It isn't as funny as Louis Black... but almost... Best wishes, Michael on 6/1/07 11:55 AM, JKGwilliam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Paul 110%. If anyone else out there is tired of the crap, please waste a little bandwidth for a good cause and let everyone know how you feel. This is one circumstance where your vote might actually mean something. Have a good weekend, John Gwilliam At 11:43 AM 6/1/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your â freebiesâ de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shergotty a eucrite ... not: Then and Now
Bernd and List, # 5 is definitely a NEW item and well worth a bonus point. Thanks for the update Bernd. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shergotty a eucrite ... not: Then and Now Hello List, We all know that the acronym SNC stands for the three typical samples of the group: Shergotty, Nakhla, and Chassigny. But 135 years ago, G. Tschermak was still unaware of the exotic nature of these meteorites and grouped them with the eucrites. In 1872, he wrote: Shergotty, which I described several years ago, should also be included with the eucrites. It is a conspicuously granular rock consisting essentially of dull yellow-gray grains and prisms, which were found to be augite, and water-clear glassy grains and laths. The latter resemble no known mineral; I named this material maskelynite. The SNC's must have come from a different parent body - different from Earth, from our Moon, and from the parent body or bodies of the HED suite. This is reflected in the displacement of their oxygen isotopes when plotted in a diagram (see O.R. Norton's Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 157, Fig. 8,15). Another telling feature of the SNC group is their young crystallization ages - in other words they must have come from a celestial neighbor where volcanic activity was an ongoing process not too long ago. According to Susanne Schwenzer et al., the following observations are considered highly indicative of a Martian origin of the SNC meteorites: 1. SNC meteorites belong to one group, as proven by many chemical and isotopic investigations, pointing to a common parent body. 2. All SNC meteorites are differentiated magmatic rocks, with some of them showing volcanic textures. 3. The young crystallization ages of 1.3 Gyr, requiring a parent body that still shows igneous activity at such a late time in solar system history. 4. Direct evidence from Viking 1, when the concentrations and compositions of noble gases in the Martian atmosphere were measured and compared to those found in SNC meteorites in our collections. 5. The rovers Spirit and Opportunity found rocks on Mars with chemical signatures identical to those of some of the Martian meteorites in our collections (Bounce Rock, for example, has geochemical characteristics, such as the Fe/Mg ratio, consistent with that of shergottites). Reference: Schwenzer S. et al. (2007) Noble gases in mineral separates from three shergottites: Shergotty, Zagami, and EETA79001 (MAPS 42-3, pp. 387-412, Introduction). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
It's wonderful that you're amused by all this Mikey but I believe you're a minority of one, at least to the extent that YOU appear to be entertained. To let Steve run amok without scolding would be just as irresponsible as to let that little two year old you speak of do the same. Didn't a new guy ask what the deal with Steve was the other day? There must be alot more wondering the same thing. Maybe you know he's a hopeless buffoon, with a very nasty streak by the way, others need to be informed before they have a problem. Ultimately, I don't care what Steve does as long as he does it once a week and keeps me off his personal mailing list which he harvested here. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:52:45 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways Honestly, You guys are a hoot. Case in point: Asking Chicago Steve to , Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. I mean come on! Really! If he had access to either of these skills don't you know he would use them - at least occasionally? Personally, I giggle every time I read one of his posts - and the more outlandish, the harder I laugh - not because Steve is so off the wall, but because inside my head I am dancing with delight in anticipation of the list members who will soon be bouncing off the walls, threatening to leave the list, cursing him out, calling him names, etc. It never ceases to amaze and entertain me that grown men who supposedly have more sense than Chicago Steve are lacking in the most basic understanding and insight into his level of functioning. I mean it is like a father who threatens to leave home because his two year old repeatedly tracks dirt into the house or gets sticky stuff on his hands. And the funniest thing of all is the self righteous indignation people have about this. What don't you get? Would you repeatedly become enraged at a two year old who repeatedly knocked over his milk at the dinner table and got his sleeve in the mashed potatoes? Some people just don't have the same wiring those more fortunate than they. Some of them became serial killers, some are homeless and talk to themselves, many are in prison, etc. Chicago Steve clearly TRIES to be as good a guy as he can be. Unfortunately, that is more than can be said for many of us. I know it is not always true of me. Demanding that Steve practice common sense is a riot! And all of this from people who KNOW what is going to be in his posts before they open them - yet INSIST on reading them and then DEMAND that HE change! (they shouldn't have to use the delete key or use an email blocker - it isn't fair.) Common, guys, you're killing me! It isn't as funny as Louis Black... but almost... Best wishes, Michael on 6/1/07 11:55 AM, JKGwilliam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Paul 110%. If anyone else out there is tired of the crap, please waste a little bandwidth for a good cause and let everyone know how you feel. This is one circumstance where your vote might actually mean something. Have a good weekend, John Gwilliam At 11:43 AM 6/1/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your â freebiesâ de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[meteorite-list] Cuts Threaten World's Largest Telescope in Arecibo
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070601/API/706011978 Cuts Threaten World's Largest Telescope By DANICA COTO Associated Press June 1, 2007 ARECIBO, Puerto Rico - Engineers will travel to this Puerto Rican coastal town in coming weeks to study whether to shut down the world's largest radio telescope, which was featured in the movie Contact but now faces steep budget cuts, observatory officials said Thursday. Opened in 1963, the Arecibo telescope, a 1,000-foot-wide dish set in a sinkhole amid forested hills, bounces radio waves off asteroids and charts their location, speed and course. It has recorded a number of scientific discoveries, including the first planets beyond the solar system and lakes of hydrocarbons on Saturn's moon Titan. But fears that it could face extinction began late last year, when a panel commissioned by the National Science Foundation, a U.S. federal agency, called for deep budget cuts and said officials should consider eliminating it entirely at the end of the decade. Observatory officials said Thursday the impending study does not mean the complex will close entirely - at least not immediately. That's not our desire. But we are looking at this for planning purposes, said Richard Barvainis, program manager of the National Astronomy and Ionosphere Center, which includes the Arecibo observatory. The Arecibo telescope appeared in Contact, a 1997 Jodie Foster movie based on the Carl Sagan book about the search for extraterrestrial life. It also gained fame in the 1995 James Bond movie Goldeneye, in which the telescope's platform, suspended like a giant steel spider 450 feet above the dish, figured in a climactic fight scene. The telescope's budget will plummet from $10.5 million this year to $4 million by 2010, Barvainis said, with the savings going to construct a telescope 20 times more powerful, perhaps in Australia or South Africa. Owned by the National Science Foundation and operated by Cornell University, the Arecibo facility is receiving a makeover to persuade federal officials to keep it open, including a $3.5 million paint job to keep its steel structure from corroding in the humid Caribbean air. Officials said that regardless of what happens with the possible budget cuts, the telescope's visitor center, which draws about 120,000 people a year, would remain open. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry
Hello Greg, What's so stupid about this? Alot of what I see on this list is Steve Arnold getting bashed and here recently of course the Mr. Sterling and Larry thing with those guys bashing Christians. But that's ok, right? Also, I remember there was another list member talking about a meteorite giveway of some meteorites he found in his belly button and he was going to give away to the 300th something emailer. Hmmm-mm I was waiting for another one of you folks to bring up this meteor list subject propriety issue. So, also (good gracious, I'm sounding like a broken record), all you guys can do, so far is cuss, such as an individual using abbreviation of GD, plus Mr. Garrison's (bless his heart) personal email to me off list that was very off color and imporper and mean (I still maintain he's the most venemous and sad individual on the list), and of course, he's so brave that he won't receive emails from me...(a very chicken move). You who have emailed me so far or made comments on the list, (with the exception of Mr. Martin Altman, who I have found to be more honorable and mature than the Garrisons and the rest of the meanies here put together). I always had this idea that science was about partly about debate. Even among science ranks, I imagine when someone comes out with a new explanation, theory or whatever, that there's plenty of this stuff I've got from some of you. This whole thing goes back to the fact that I have questioned your religion, that is science. No doubt, there's folks here whose feathers I've ruffled are great mathematicians, physicists, biologists, geologists and just plain brilliant people. But, knowledge and intelligence is not all wrapped up or defined in those things totally. I have made you folks mad simply because I have questioned you're religion. I'll tell, I have really enjoyed our little debate, though from my opposition, I expected alot less of this playground, put-down (Mr. Garrison shamey...shamey), name calling (Mr. Garrison--shamey...shamey) nanna nanna boo boo stuff. I'm still waiting for one of you folks to tell me something of substance (ain't that what you thrive on?), and not be sandbox/playground bullies. Since I've been reading the postings on this list, this is the most excitement I have seen generated here ever--a good bit of bringin' it on and takin' it on, a bit of quoting the Bible too me out of context (but I applaud your efforts) and just plain good old fashioned gettin' irked. Really, it is a great exercise for me, as I'm the only one on my side. Take for instance Larry of Mr. Sterling and Larry fame, I believe he's a professor or something at Arizona if I remember correctly and obviously an exceptionally intelligent individual, I've had the chance to take on something that someone like that has put forth in a posting, though it was something he said in an off color way. Also, some of you who have answered my posts, you are great men and women of the sciences and so on and the things you know are simply mind blowing. I seriously mean that. Thenthere's me. Hey, I just one simple individual that likes a good challenge. But, Mr. Hupe, you folks fired the first shot...keep that in mind. I must go now, I have more fan mail to answer. Really, I have enjoyed hearing from you and the rest of the hommies on the meteorite list. Take care, Chris Merry - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe To: Chris Merry Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry Chris, I think we have had enough of this NON-meteorite-related talk. I for one am tired of the emails! Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Chris Merry To: meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry Mr. Altman, I was wondering when one of you guys were gonna crawl out and come at me, thanks for being among the first. Obviously you are threatend by free speech, unless it is your viewpoint. Like I said belive how you wish...I guess to you it is alright to put Chirstians down, just leave the science alone. It also says in the Bible, to paraphrase, a fool says there is no God. Back to stones, please. Man go talk to your buds Mr. Steling and Larry, they started this! Any great to hear from you, I always like to mix it up a bit. :-) Chris __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Zag Sale
I have a beautiful crusted fragment of Zag (a) 1,760 gram Price $2,500 plus shipping http://www.meteorites4sale.net/ZAG.htm Also come look at my website most items 30 to 50 % off Ask !!! http://www.meteorites4sale.net/ZAG.htm Thanks for looking Ken Regelman Astronomical Research Network __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - June 2007
www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
