[meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS 3 FREEBIES
I guess I am just a glutton for punishment,but I see those nasty naysayers coming out from the woodwork again.I have 7 ongoing auctions of very nice gao specimens at all buy it nows,plus I have a 203 gram gao with it being a reserve auction of a very unusal piece.I also have 3 freebies to givaway.I have a 48 gram unclassified fragment and 2 little baby gao's.The first 3 to chime in.I think I have followed the rules.AD put in box,a 1 time post concerning this posting,etc.Ok let the naysaying begin or just chine in because you are nice. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Could be some good things here
http://www.star-telegram.com/408/story/122237.html The important part (from at the bottom) News and notes: Many of you have asked me how Jack Van Hauen of Auction Depot is doing, and I'm happy to report that he has finished his chemo treatments and is recovering. Hopefully, he'll be back up there barking orders in no time ... Alan Jones' monstrous Brit-USA auction is happening Friday at his Antique Auction Center, at 2470 N.W. Dallas St. in Grand Prairie. Jones always gets good stuff, but his Brit-USA auctions are good-stuff blowouts; these auctions usually break me ... Keep an eye on Ransberger's Web site, www.ransberger.com, for information on their next daylong auction; the Ransbergers just scored a Hickory, N.C., estate jammed with Victorian furniture, some great glassware and, of all things, meteorites. The auction is scheduled for June 23. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) EBAY AUCTIONS 3 FREEBIES-12th self promo in 13 days
In just the last 2 weeks:by my count this is sSteves 12th self promotional posting/AD/non AD/ explanation/apology/poor me/all of the above email to the list in 13 days. I am bewildered, sSteve, you missed a day. Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chondrule Bleaching in NWA 4781 (CH3)?
Hello John, Marcin, David and List, John wrote: I snapped a few pictures to show this meteorite's texture and variety. http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA4781CH3.htm Thank you, John, for these wonderful snapshots! John also wrote: This IS a fun rock. -- It surely is! John then also wrote: small perfect chondrules -- Yep, most of them ca. 0.1 mm And furthermore: ... a little bleaching on a couple RP/C chondrules? Roll of drums: This afternoon, I took a picture at 56x and detected what might be interpreted as an incipient stage of chondrule bleaching in several of the RP (= radiating pyroxene) chondrules of my polished endcut. I did not find any C (= cryptocrystalline) chondrules with signs of bleaching though. For the list: Chondrule bleaching is the result of leaching by water having percolated through the matrix of this meteorite (such chondrules are better known as bull's eye chondrules) and is thus indicative of aqueous activity on this meteorite's parent body (or bodies). Best CH3 regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Dear List Members: Several collectors expressed an interest in pieces of the Rosetta Stone. I finally got around to cutting this world class lunaite making for more affordable slices. The end-cut yielded eight pieces, all beautiful as can be seen in the link below: Dhofar 908 Very Rare Lunar/Moon Meteorite, The Rosetta Stone Complete slices and one end-cut of the Dhofar 908 Rosetta Stone, a very rare Impact Melt Breccia Lunar meteorite found 2003 in Oman. A Total Known Weight of 245.46 grams is reported for this find consisting of several individuals. This particular stone is well known because it is the only example that displays two lithologies earning the nick name, the Rosetta Stone because it may represent the smoking gun tying two sets of pairings together. Please let me know if any of these pieces are of interest. Starting with top row, left to right: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rossetta.jpg Weight (grams) Dimensions (mm) Price 3.04033 X 22 X 24,000.00 1.49431 X 20 X 12,000.00 1.76631 X 20 X 1SOLD 1.37229 X 16 X 1.5 1,800.00 1.21227 X 17 X 1.5 1,600.00 1.24224 X 16 X 21,600.00 .906 20 X 13 X 21,300.00 .958 (end cut) 13 X 10 X 71,300.00 To see several auctions ending in the next few days, click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Presenting NWA 4766 - the best-preserved Shergottite from hot deserts
Dear friends, we have to announce our newly classified Martian meteorites to the collector's delight as they belong to the most aesthetic and freshest shergottites, which ever were made available: NWA 4766 (provisional) Several stones were acquired in 2007 with a total weight of 225 grams. Most probably NWA 4766 is paired to NWA 2975 and NWA 2986. With our NWA 4776 we think, that we're able to go even one better regarding the quality and also the prices - but judge by your own: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special.html Have a nice Sunday! Yours Chladni's Heirs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD
Dear List Members, Here is a rare and unique opportunity, a once in a blue moon opportunity for anyone and everyone who has always wanted to own a truly spectacular and rare example of a fresh basaltic shergottite. Most people just cannot afford a decent sized specimen of any Martian meteorite as they are quite rare and also quite expensive for the normal persons' budget. I have only a small amount of the Martian basaltic shergottite NWA 2975/ NWA 2986 to offer for sale, all or part of it. I need to raise some quick cash and the best way I have ever found to do that is to offer something for sale at a price so ridiculously low that practically no one can turn it down and still sleep at night. I predict it will sell out very quickly. The current market value of NWA 2975/ NWA 2986 ( probable pairing) is $1500 a gram which is a very, very reasonable price for this low TKW Martian find which is not only one of the more recent finds, but certainly one of the freshest available second only to observed falls such as Zagami. Please note: The fact that I am only selling a small quantity of this meteorite at a cost that is substantially, and I mean substantially far below the fair market value of this meteorite is by no means a reflection on the real market value of this fantastic shergottite. The fact that I am selling this material so cheaply is simply a reflection of the fact that I need the cash as quickly as I can raise it. Selling a relatively minor amount of this material cheaply and quickly will not hurt the price or alter the dealer market for this material now or in the future. This sale does however offer a narrow window of opportunity for anyone wishing to have some of this material either as an investment or for incorporation into a collection. This offering will greatly benefit those few collectors who have always wanted a decent fresh Martian meteorite specimen but have never been able to quite raise the money for one until now. This meteorite will only increase in value and at the price I am selling it for, you can make money on it tomorrow. If you have been paying attention to the recent posts to the met list regarding the future availability of good NWA material, you are already aware that the borders with Algeria and Mauritania have tightened down since this meteorite was first discovered in Algeria in 2005. The amount of good material coming out of Morocco has been steadily declining and most of the smart dealers are recommending that now is the time to buy good material and hoard it. I have ONLY a very limited number of small whole stones and fragments of stones of this rare meteorite to sell at this price and once it is gone, it is GONE and will never again be available at such a great deal. Most of the stones that I have are absolutely stunning INDIVIDUAL Martian meteorites and all have excellent remaining fusion crust. The NWA 2975 / NWA 2986 pairing is a very rare planetary find with a very low TKW and the only Martian meteorite find with small, affordable INDIVIDUALS. When will you ever have the chance again to own an affordable individual Martian meteorite and a basaltic shergottite at that? The Early Birds will rule on this one so if you are interested in this offering, please email me ASAP and I will email you back with a listing of the stones that are available and a price per gram that you will find surprising and absolutely the lowest price per gram for which you will ever see this gorgeous shergottite. Thank you. I am IMCA member # 2329. The stone you will get is guaranteed for life to be NWA 2975 / NWA 2986. Jack Schrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD NWA 2975 NWA 2986 Sale
This is a repost as I neglected to mention what the ad was for in the subject line: Dear List Members, Here is a rare and unique opportunity, a once in a blue moon opportunity for anyone and everyone who has always wanted to own a truly spectacular and rare example of a fresh basaltic shergottite. Most people just cannot afford a decent sized specimen of any Martian meteorite as they are quite rare and also quite expensive for the normal persons' budget. I have only a small amount of the Martian basaltic shergottite NWA 2975/ NWA 2986 to offer for sale, all or part of it. I need to raise some quick cash and the best way I have ever found to do that is to offer something for sale at a price so ridiculously low that practically no one can turn it down and still sleep at night. I predict it will sell out very quickly. The current market value of NWA 2975/ NWA 2986 ( probable pairing) is $1500 a gram which is a very, very reasonable price for this low TKW Martian find which is not only one of the more recent finds, but certainly one of the freshest available second only to observed falls such as Zagami. Please note: The fact that I am only selling a small quantity of this meteorite at a cost that is substantially, and I mean substantially far below the fair market value of this meteorite is by no means a reflection on the real market value of this fantastic shergottite. The fact that I am selling this material so cheaply is simply a reflection of the fact that I need the cash as quickly as I can raise it. Selling a relatively minor amount of this material cheaply and quickly will not hurt the price or alter the dealer market for this material now or in the future. This sale does however offer a narrow window of opportunity for anyone wishing to have some of this material either as an investment or for incorporation into a collection. This offering will greatly benefit those few collectors who have always wanted a decent fresh Martian meteorite specimen but have never been able to quite raise the money for one until now. This meteorite will only increase in value and at the price I am selling it for, you can make money on it tomorrow. If you have been paying attention to the recent posts to the met list regarding the future availability of good NWA material, you are already aware that the borders with Algeria and Mauritania have tightened down since this meteorite was first discovered in Algeria in 2005. The amount of good material coming out of Morocco has been steadily declining and most of the smart dealers are recommending that now is the time to buy good material and hoard it. I have ONLY a very limited number of small whole stones and fragments of stones of this rare meteorite to sell at this price and once it is gone, it is GONE and will never again be available at such a great deal. Most of the stones that I have are absolutely stunning INDIVIDUAL Martian meteorites and all have excellent remaining fusion crust. The NWA 2975 / NWA 2986 pairing is a very rare planetary find with a very low TKW and the only Martian meteorite find with small, affordable INDIVIDUALS. When will you ever have the chance again to own an affordable individual Martian meteorite and a basaltic shergottite at that? The Early Birds will rule on this one so if you are interested in this offering, please email me ASAP and I will email you back with a listing of the stones that are available and a price per gram that you will find surprising. Thank you. I am IMCA member # 2329. The stone you will get is guaranteed for life to be NWA 2975 / NWA 2986. Jack Schrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Dhofar 908...Rosetta stone? For many years that expression was used for NWA 99555: A very important new paper on our angrite SAH99555 (Sahara 99555, a 2710g single stone with black fusion crust found by our team in May 1999) was published in the last issue of the scientific journal Nature. In the words of co-authors Joel Baker, Director of Geology School of Earth Sciences, University of Wellington, NEW ZEALAND, and Martin Bizarro, Leader, MC-ICP-MS Laboratory, University of Copenhagen, DENMARK : “Your angrite meteorite find SAH9955 is now the oldest absolutely dated igneous rock in the Solar System, has clear evidence for the former presence of short-lived 26Al in it (which caused planetesimal melting), and very likely will become the Rosetta Stone for early Solar System chronology”... Will every a bit special meteorite be nicknamed Rosetta Stone now? To my knowledge Dhofar 908 is paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, 489, 908, 909, 911, 950, and 1085... It seems that Dho 908 has something that all those others do not have. This is very interesting and I'd be very pleased to know more about that phenomenon. Thank you! Peter Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members: Several collectors expressed an interest in pieces of the “Rosetta Stone”. I finally got around to cutting this world class lunaite making for more affordable slices. The end-cut yielded eight pieces, all beautiful as can be seen in the link below: Dhofar 908 Very Rare Lunar/Moon Meteorite, The “Rosetta Stone” Complete slices and one end-cut of the Dhofar 908 “Rosetta Stone”, a very rare Impact Melt Breccia Lunar meteorite found 2003 in Oman. A Total Known Weight of 245.46 grams is reported for this find consisting of several individuals. This particular stone is well known because it is the only example that displays two lithologies earning the nick name, the Rosetta Stone because it may represent the smoking gun tying two sets of pairings together. Please let me know if any of these pieces are of interest. Starting with top row, left to right: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rossetta.jpg Weight (grams) Dimensions (mm) Price 3.04033 X 22 X 24,000.00 1.49431 X 20 X 12,000.00 1.76631 X 20 X 1SOLD 1.37229 X 16 X 1.5 1,800.00 1.21227 X 17 X 1.5 1,600.00 1.24224 X 16 X 21,600.00 .906 20 X 13 X 21,300.00 .958 (end cut) 13 X 10 X 71,300.00 To see several auctions ending in the next few days, click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Hi Peter and List, I am going with what Norbert Classen had to say about this being the Rosetta Stone. I believe he is the one who coined the term for this single stone. As far as I know, it is the only stone in the Dhofar series that has two lithologies possible tying two pairing sets together. I think the term Rosetta is fitting in this regards. All the best, Adam --- Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dhofar 908...Rosetta stone? For many years that expression was used for NWA 99555: A very important new paper on our angrite SAH99555 (Sahara 99555, a 2710g single stone with black fusion crust found by our team in May 1999) was published in the last issue of the scientific journal Nature. In the words of co-authors Joel Baker, Director of Geology School of Earth Sciences, University of Wellington, NEW ZEALAND, and Martin Bizarro, Leader, MC-ICP-MS Laboratory, University of Copenhagen, DENMARK : Your angrite meteorite find SAH9955 is now the oldest absolutely dated igneous rock in the Solar System, has clear evidence for the former presence of short-lived 26Al in it (which caused planetesimal melting), and very likely will become the Rosetta Stone for early Solar System chronology... Will every a bit special meteorite be nicknamed Rosetta Stone now? To my knowledge Dhofar 908 is paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, 489, 908, 909, 911, 950, and 1085... It seems that Dho 908 has something that all those others do not have. This is very interesting and I'd be very pleased to know more about that phenomenon. Thank you! Peter Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members: Several collectors expressed an interest in pieces of the Rosetta Stone. I finally got around to cutting this world class lunaite making for more affordable slices. The end-cut yielded eight pieces, all beautiful as can be seen in the link below: Dhofar 908 Very Rare Lunar/Moon Meteorite, The Rosetta Stone Complete slices and one end-cut of the Dhofar 908 Rosetta Stone, a very rare Impact Melt Breccia Lunar meteorite found 2003 in Oman. A Total Known Weight of 245.46 grams is reported for this find consisting of several individuals. This particular stone is well known because it is the only example that displays two lithologies earning the nick name, the Rosetta Stone because it may represent the smoking gun tying two sets of pairings together. Please let me know if any of these pieces are of interest. Starting with top row, left to right: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rossetta.jpg Weight (grams) Dimensions (mm) Price 3.04033 X 22 X 24,000.00 1.49431 X 20 X 12,000.00 1.76631 X 20 X 1SOLD 1.37229 X 16 X 1.5 1,800.00 1.21227 X 17 X 1.5 1,600.00 1.24224 X 16 X 21,600.00 .906 20 X 13 X 21,300.00 .958 (end cut) 13 X 10 X 71,300.00 To see several auctions ending in the next few days, click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Thank you FYI, Adam! that has two lithologies possible tying two pairing sets together... Can you or anyone else on this list explain the above sentence? Which pairing sets are you talking about? What kind of lithologies are these? Are there picts that show the phenomenon? Does this mean that Dho 908 has lithologies from two meteorite groups that are not paired with each other or in other words that Dho 908 is paired with x and y, but x and y are not paired...which would be really strange??? Your help is appreciated! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Peter, Here is a link to Norbert's specimen of Dho 908. It does have two obviously distinct lithologies, but I would also like to know the details of the Rosetta Stone name. David http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho908-2.54g.JPG __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rosetta Stone Pieces
Dhofar 908...Rosetta stone? For many years that expression was used for NWA 99555: A very important new paper on our angrite SAH99555 (Sahara 99555, a 2710g single stone with black fusion crust found by our team in May 1999) was published in the last issue of the scientific journal Nature. In the words of co-authors Joel Baker, Director of Geology School of Earth Sciences, University of Wellington, NEW ZEALAND, and Martin Bizarro, Leader, MC-ICP-MS Laboratory, University of Copenhagen, DENMARK : “Your angrite meteorite find SAH9955 is now the oldest absolutely dated igneous rock in the Solar System, has clear evidence for the former presence of short-lived 26Al in it (which caused planetesimal melting), and very likely will become the Rosetta Stone for early Solar System chronology”... Will every a bit special meteorite be nicknamed Rosetta Stone now? To my knowledge Dhofar 908 is paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, 489, 908, 909, 911, 950, and 1085... It seems that Dho 908 has something that all those others do not have. This is very interesting and I'd be very pleased to know more about that phenomenon. Thank you! Peter Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members: Several collectors expressed an interest in pieces of the “Rosetta Stone”. I finally got around to cutting this world class lunaite making for more affordable slices. The end-cut yielded eight pieces, all beautiful as can be seen in the link below: Dhofar 908 Very Rare Lunar/Moon Meteorite, The “Rosetta Stone” Complete slices and one end-cut of the Dhofar 908 “Rosetta Stone”, a very rare Impact Melt Breccia Lunar meteorite found 2003 in Oman. A Total Known Weight of 245.46 grams is reported for this find consisting of several individuals. This particular stone is well known because it is the only example that displays two lithologies earning the nick name, the Rosetta Stone because it may represent the smoking gun tying two sets of pairings together. Please let me know if any of these pieces are of interest. Starting with top row, left to right: http://themeteoritesite.com/Rossetta.jpg Weight (grams) Dimensions (mm) Price 3.04033 X 22 X 24,000.00 1.49431 X 20 X 12,000.00 1.76631 X 20 X 1SOLD 1.37229 X 16 X 1.5 1,800.00 1.21227 X 17 X 1.5 1,600.00 1.24224 X 16 X 21,600.00 .906 20 X 13 X 21,300.00 .958 (end cut) 13 X 10 X 71,300.00 To see several auctions ending in the next few days, click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
Hi Peter, Adam, and All, Adam is correct: I used this term to describe the 81g main mass of lunar meteorite Dhofar 908 since March 2003 for its three distinct lithologies which linked the various finds Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, and 489 together - most of them representing just one of three lithologies, making it difficult to establish clear pairing relationships among the distinct finds. That's what the original Rosetta stone was all about, linking different languages to each other and allowing scientists to arrive at a deeper understanding and a broader view... Baker, Bizzaro et. al. used this term for angrite SAH99555, but not prior to August 2005 to the best of my knowledge (SAH99555 was found in 1999, but the paper in question wasn't published that many years ago - it was published in late 2005). So I did beat them to the analogy for at least two years, but I don't mind. An analogy is just another way to describe a certain property of a given object, and at least in my eyes the Rosetta stone analogy fits as well for Dhofar 908 and its distinct lithologies linking previous finds to each other as for SAH99555 and its distinct isotopic clocks (both analogous to the distinct writing systems that have been found on the original Stone of Rosette). In any case, I have been plagiarizing noone when using that term to describe Dhofar 908, and its properties/lithologies... And neither did Adam. Hope this sheds some light on this issue. Lunatic Regards, Norbert PS: To me Dhofar 908 isn't just a bit special meteorite because it is a rather unique lunar, and because it has three telling lithologies - it was my very first meteorite find. So don't throw beer cans at it unless you want to get me upset ,-) Who's that SAH99555, anyway ;-?? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi Peter and List, I am going with what Norbert Classen had to say about this being the Rosetta Stone. I believe he is the one who coined the term for this single stone. As far as I know, it is the only stone in the Dhofar series that has two lithologies possible tying two pairing sets together. I think the term Rosetta is fitting in this regards. All the best, Adam --- Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dhofar 908...Rosetta stone? For many years that expression was used for NWA 99555: A very important new paper on our angrite SAH99555 (Sahara 99555, a 2710g single stone with black fusion crust found by our team in May 1999) was published in the last issue of the scientific journal Nature. In the words of co-authors Joel Baker, Director of Geology School of Earth Sciences, University of Wellington, NEW ZEALAND, and Martin Bizarro, Leader, MC-ICP-MS Laboratory, University of Copenhagen, DENMARK : Your angrite meteorite find SAH9955 is now the oldest absolutely dated igneous rock in the Solar System, has clear evidence for the former presence of short-lived 26Al in it (which caused planetesimal melting), and very likely will become the Rosetta Stone for early Solar System chronology... Will every a bit special meteorite be nicknamed Rosetta Stone now? To my knowledge Dhofar 908 is paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, 489, 908, 909, 911, 950, and 1085... It seems that Dho 908 has something that all those others do not have. This is very interesting and I'd be very pleased to know more about that phenomenon. Thank you! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy NEW IMAGES!
Hi Norbert, Thank you for explaining the history of this piece. Here are some more images for viewers pleasure: http://themeteoritesite.com/Dhofar908-a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Dhofar908-b.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/Dhofar908-c.jpg BestRegards, Adam --- Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Peter, Adam, and All, Adam is correct: I used this term to describe the 81g main mass of lunar meteorite Dhofar 908 since March 2003 for its three distinct lithologies which linked the various finds Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, and 489 together - most of them representing just one of three lithologies, making it difficult to establish clear pairing relationships among the distinct finds. That's what the original Rosetta stone was all about, linking different languages to each other and allowing scientists to arrive at a deeper understanding and a broader view... Baker, Bizzaro et. al. used this term for angrite SAH99555, but not prior to August 2005 to the best of my knowledge (SAH99555 was found in 1999, but the paper in question wasn't published that many years ago - it was published in late 2005). So I did beat them to the analogy for at least two years, but I don't mind. An analogy is just another way to describe a certain property of a given object, and at least in my eyes the Rosetta stone analogy fits as well for Dhofar 908 and its distinct lithologies linking previous finds to each other as for SAH99555 and its distinct isotopic clocks (both analogous to the distinct writing systems that have been found on the original Stone of Rosette). In any case, I have been plagiarizing noone when using that term to describe Dhofar 908, and its properties/lithologies... And neither did Adam. Hope this sheds some light on this issue. Lunatic Regards, Norbert PS: To me Dhofar 908 isn't just a bit special meteorite because it is a rather unique lunar, and because it has three telling lithologies - it was my very first meteorite find. So don't throw beer cans at it unless you want to get me upset ,-) Who's that SAH99555, anyway ;-?? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi Peter and List, I am going with what Norbert Classen had to say about this being the Rosetta Stone. I believe he is the one who coined the term for this single stone. As far as I know, it is the only stone in the Dhofar series that has two lithologies possible tying two pairing sets together. I think the term Rosetta is fitting in this regards. All the best, Adam --- Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dhofar 908...Rosetta stone? For many years that expression was used for NWA 99555: A very important new paper on our angrite SAH99555 (Sahara 99555, a 2710g single stone with black fusion crust found by our team in May 1999) was published in the last issue of the scientific journal Nature. In the words of co-authors Joel Baker, Director of Geology School of Earth Sciences, University of Wellington, NEW ZEALAND, and Martin Bizarro, Leader, MC-ICP-MS Laboratory, University of Copenhagen, DENMARK : Your angrite meteorite find SAH9955 is now the oldest absolutely dated igneous rock in the Solar System, has clear evidence for the former presence of short-lived 26Al in it (which caused planetesimal melting), and very likely will become the Rosetta Stone for early Solar System chronology... Will every a bit special meteorite be nicknamed Rosetta Stone now? To my knowledge Dhofar 908 is paired with Dhofar 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 730, 731, 489, 908, 909, 911, 950, and 1085... It seems that Dho 908 has something that all those others do not have. This is very interesting and I'd be very pleased to know more about that phenomenon. Thank you! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
Dear list members. Every meteorite is special. For me is better to call meteorite with his official name even if this is ugly NWA 999 name, than create some unreal marketing names that have nothing to do with meteorites. I see only one reason for this, better sales becouse of better name. If we call it Rosetta Stone, Louis Michelle or Donald Duck or Shrek, meteorite will stay the same and not become more importand or rare. Thats my two CH3nt's -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 00:00:34 +0200, you wrote: For me is better to call meteorite with his official name even if this is ugly NWA 999 name, than create some unreal marketing names that have nothing to do with meteorites. I don't see why calling it A Rosetta stone (not THE Rosetta stone) is a marketing term, as much as a description of the significance of the find. Now, hammer stone, THAT is just a marketing term to me, because where a meteorite lands and what it hits has no scientific value or importance whatsoever. http://www.answers.com/rosetta+stoner=67 The term Rosetta Stone has become idiomatic as something that is a critical key to a process of decryption or translation of a difficult problem. For example, the Rosetta Stone of immunology and [5] Arabidopsis, the Rosetta Stone of flowering time. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
Hi Marcin, I don't think Norbert was considering marketing when he coined the term Rosetta Stone to discuss this meteorite. What the hay? It seems to be working as the pieces are selling fast. The two largest slices have been spoken for. Best Regards, Adam --- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members. Every meteorite is special. For me is better to call meteorite with his official name even if this is ugly NWA 999 name, than create some unreal marketing names that have nothing to do with meteorites. I see only one reason for this, better sales becouse of better name. If we call it Rosetta Stone, Louis Michelle or Donald Duck or Shrek, meteorite will stay the same and not become more importand or rare. Thats my two CH3nt's -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
Dear Marcin, I didn't use that term for marketing reasons, and it is not a synonym for Dhofar 908 in general but I just used it for the 81g main mass of Dhofar 908, displaying three distinct lithologies linking previous finds together. That's why I called it a Rosetta stone. Back in 2003 virtually nobody was willing to believe that e.g. Dhofar 489, and Dhofar 305 did belong to one and the same (ancient) fall. That's not the same thing as calling it Donald Duck, it's a linguistic ploy to express something of scientific meaning... Do you think Baker and Bizzaro used their analogy as a marketing ploy, or just because the liked the funny name? BTW, as to my knowledge neither Adam nor I did use the Rosetta stone analogy without making it very clear that we were talking about Dhofar 908, not in general, but in respect to a certain stone/fragment of Dhofar 908, and its special history/properties. And, as for the monetary value of certain specimens: do you think that a specimen of, let's say normal Zagami will demand the same resale price as a specimen with dual lithologies, including the DML (dark mottled lithology) of Zagami? You are correct, the meteorite will stay the same, but I fear you won't get the latter one, cheap. And: if you know of a source who sells dual-lith Zagami at the price of normal Zagami, just give me a call :-) My 3 lithologies, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von PolandMET Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 00:01 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy Dear list members. Every meteorite is special. For me is better to call meteorite with his official name even if this is ugly NWA 999 name, than create some unreal marketing names that have nothing to do with meteorites. I see only one reason for this, better sales becouse of better name. If we call it Rosetta Stone, Louis Michelle or Donald Duck or Shrek, meteorite will stay the same and not become more importand or rare. Thats my two CH3nt's -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy
on 6/3/07 3:16 PM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see why calling it A Rosetta stone (not THE Rosetta stone) is a marketing term, as much as a description of the significance of the find. Now, hammer stone, THAT is just a marketing term to me, because where a meteorite lands and what it hits has no scientific value or importance whatsoever. Hi Darren, The derivation of hammer stone is a bastardization of hammer, a name I coined in reference to meteorites that nailed something. Rather than a marketing ploy, it was more along the lines of having fun, like calling Valera the Venesualen Butcher. (a name coined by ET who did NOT own any of the material, therefore, could in no way be accused of using the term as a marketing ploy. I have also referred to hammers as bashers, maulers, crushers, beaters, etc a real 'Murderers' Row' of the meteorite world, because of the delight they bring me, rather than a marketing ploy. As for scientific value being used as a criterion for validating such terminology, that implies that all collectors collect BECAUSE of the scientific significance of meteorites - or at least they SHOULD collect for said reason. In fact, many collect based ONLY on witnessed falls, others on geographic touchdown, others on esthetic appeal, etc. Just who is it that heads the Supreme Court of legitimate interest in meteorites? As for naming NWA meteorites, it seams to me there have been precious few, starting, I believe with Twisted Sister . again, something I believe was inspired by appreciation rather than profit motive, while two separate falls have been referred to as the Rosetta Stone - both have scientific origins and merit. However, I am always amazed at the cynicism of such a large segment of the collecting community when it comes to such things. Too bad, it does seam phenomenally ironic that some of the more playful lot of collectors can be found among dealers, themselves, while so many other collectors find all their actions suspicious and are ready to hold them in contempt at every step. So, go ahead, mean while I will delight in my own collection of hammers (by the way, I find the term, hammer stone most unappealing - at best). Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to contact Cj
This message is for Cj. I have tried several times to send you a listing of the NWA 2975 stones I have available, but all attempts have been bounced back. Just want you to know I have tried and have not ignored you. Contact me off list if you have another email address I can try. Jack __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to my recent sales post IMPORTANT
Dear List Members. I have made a classic error in using the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 to describe the stones I am selling. I have no right to use these numbers as they are owned by two well known and respected meteorite dealers. I can say that the meteorites that I am selling are LIKELY paired to NWA 2975 and NWA 2986. Also, any one who buys these stones from me and not from the dealers, Michael Farmer or Jim Strope to whom the numbers NWA 2975 and NWA 2986 belong, cannot either use the numbers NWA 2975 or NWA 2986 to describe the stones. The stones I am selling are likely pairings only. I sincerely regret the need for this post to the list but I am the first to admit a mistake when I make one. Jack Schrader __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] METEORITE CLASSIFICATION SERVICE IN THE NEWS
I never got mentioned but a local australian newspaper has printed a story today about the meteorite classification service that me and ray (Of the Bathurst Observatory) are running. See link here: http://www.thewanderingnomad.com/bathurst-classification.jpg (Its a big jpg file so I had to use a server where I have lots of bandwidth) For more info on our classification service itself see here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/class/classify.html Cheers DEAN http://www.meteoriteshop.com The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SCIENTIFIC VALUE OF (SOME) HAMMER STONES
Hi, All, ...because where a meteorite lands and what it hits has no scientific value or importance whatsoever. Actually, when accurately reported and verified, such falls have a great scientific value. Recorded over a period of time, data like the number and frequency of cars hit by meteorites can be used to calculate the total number of meteorites that fall per year over the entire Earth, an essential datum that is in some dispute. It is possible (and not that difficult) to find out how many cars (and trucks) are registered in the US from year to year, for many decades. Since cars, old or new, have roughly the same footprint on the planet, it's easy to calculate the total area of all cars added together (trucks are done separately and added in). The thing about the area of a target for a random bombardment is that it makes no difference to the math of it whether the target area is all collected together in one spot (like a plot of a hundred square miles in Arizona) or spread out over the entire nation (like cars). It's all the same; area is all the counts. By observing the frequency of meteorite hits on cars, we can derive a very accurate figure for the number of meteorite falls per unit area per year. The same approach can be used with other distributed items: meteorite hits on ships, meteorite hits on buildings, meteorite hits on people, and so forth. There are problems with some of these possible indicators. People are too small, despite their numbers -- they don't get hit very often. Meteorite hits on buildings often go unnoticed. Ships, large, ocean-going, possess a very small target area compared to US cars but have recorded enough hits to suggest a even higher rate than cars do. Doing the math, car hits suggests that the traditional MORP value of 25,000 meteorites falling to Earth per year grossly underestimates the Fall Rate which seems to be, using conservative assumptions, between 60,000 and 80,000 per year for the planet as a whole. Record the hits, please. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy on 6/3/07 3:16 PM, Darren Garrison at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see why calling it A Rosetta stone (not THE Rosetta stone) is a marketing term, as much as a description of the significance of the find. Now, hammer stone, THAT is just a marketing term to me, because where a meteorite lands and what it hits has no scientific value or importance whatsoever. Hi Darren, The derivation of hammer stone is a bastardization of hammer, a name I coined in reference to meteorites that nailed something. Rather than a marketing ploy, it was more along the lines of having fun, like calling Valera the Venesualen Butcher. (a name coined by ET who did NOT own any of the material, therefore, could in no way be accused of using the term as a marketing ploy. I have also referred to hammers as bashers, maulers, crushers, beaters, etc a real 'Murderers' Row' of the meteorite world, because of the delight they bring me, rather than a marketing ploy. As for scientific value being used as a criterion for validating such terminology, that implies that all collectors collect BECAUSE of the scientific significance of meteorites - or at least they SHOULD collect for said reason. In fact, many collect based ONLY on witnessed falls, others on geographic touchdown, others on esthetic appeal, etc. Just who is it that heads the Supreme Court of legitimate interest in meteorites? As for naming NWA meteorites, it seams to me there have been precious few, starting, I believe with Twisted Sister . again, something I believe was inspired by appreciation rather than profit motive, while two separate falls have been referred to as the Rosetta Stone - both have scientific origins and merit. However, I am always amazed at the cynicism of such a large segment of the collecting community when it comes to such things. Too bad, it does seam phenomenally ironic that some of the more playful lot of collectors can be found among dealers, themselves, while so many other collectors find all their actions suspicious and are ready to hold them in contempt at every step. So, go ahead, mean while I will delight in my own collection of hammers (by the way, I find the term, hammer stone most unappealing - at best). Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] AD - New Thin-Sections List
Hello Members, Last week I received a package of some 30 new thin-sections from everybody's favorite thin-section maker, and I finally got them all listed on my website: _www.IMPACTIKA.com/thin_sections.htm_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com/thin_sections.htm) There are some very rare and interesting classifications in that bunch, go look!. I am sorry I don't have Marcin's CH3 yet, the NWA 4781, but I should have it soon, hopefully in the next batch. You cannot rush the Master. In the mean time you will find 2 thin-sections of another CH3, SAU 290, on this list. And only one thin-section of Santa Vitoria, and one of Moss, but please don't go fight over those, there will be more! I also have some marvelous pictures of most of those new ones, thanks to John Kashuba. I don't have time to post them on my site right now, but they are available upon request. Warning, they are VERY large pictures. And since I got your attention, please note that I will be away from my computer from June 12 to June 27. I will attend the Ensisheim Show, with all my thin-sections, and a few other things, then I will take a week vacation. I will answer all emails as quickly as possible when I return. So, if you want something, please do let me know right now. Thank you. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
