Re: [meteorite-list] Posting for Randall Gregory
Hi, all, Maybe I misunderstood the latest news releases regarding the illnesses in the Carancas crater event - haven't the ailments finally been attributed to Mass Hysteria? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria Cheers, Pete Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:33:48 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Posting for Randall Gregory This morning we were sorting through the stones I collected from the Carancas crater and I had a small 1/2 kilogram bottle of very fine grained meteorites that bought from an old woman who patiently collected these grains for 3 days using a car speaker. She used the magnet on the speaker cone sifting through the dirt surrounding the crater. As my wife started to pour the grains onto a paper towel, she immediately said that here noise started to burn. She described it like a thousands little bees stinging the inside of her nose. I put my nose to the bottle and sniffed a little bit and felt the same sensation but more in my eyes and to a lesser degree. Later that day, a friend of ours who was visiting, and after showing here the meteorites, she said I'm getting a headache. and we never told her about the irritation.There is a very good possibility that the vaporization or release of microscopic dust grains into the air was the cause of the complaints. It appears the effects have a lasting effect since my wife is still complaining of irritation. Her exact words are 'this dust has something and I think we need to store these outside'. My wife's occupation is a research biologist and said that she felt the same thing when opening bottles of sulfuric acid. My wife is very sensitive to chemicals, smoke and fumes. I can't smoke around her because it makes her ill and there is no way I can hide my habit from her. I had less of a reaction because I am a smoker and I'm more tolerant of smoke irritation. She's a human smoke detector par excellence. Tonight, she is complaining of nose, eye, and throat irritation. Anyway, it appears there is something in the meteorite that is acidic and irritating to mucus membranes. Tomorrow, I want to buy a PH tester and see what the results are. I'll try to get the results of the testing that the health officials performed on the people living close to the crater. I'll post the results of my research and testing. Greatly appreciated, Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 4759, CV3, Beautiful Piece For Sale
Hello List, i have a very beautiful complete individual of NWA 4759, a carbonaceous chondrite, for sale. The weight of this piece is 49.6g. Nice CAI's visible from the outside. Here are some pictures of it: http://www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/cv3/cv.html Anyone who's interested please contact me off-list. Thanks for looking! Best greetings, Carsten __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 1, 2007
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/October_1_2007.html Michael Johnson www.spacerocksinc.com www.sikhote-alin.org ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New items on M come Meteorite Collection
I have update my collection site with a new Sikhote Alin of 1394 grams with thumbprints, a new Millbillillie of 87.4 grams and the Libyan glass diamond cutted http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dark Inclusions (DIs) Page
Thanks to all for the positive feedback on the DI page. The next page I'm working on is a feature on (fresh) fusion crusts in various types of meteorites. If anyone has any good (closeup prefered) pics they'd like to share, I'd certainly appreciate it. I'd particularly like to get a good picture of fresh Aubrite crust if anyone has one. Thanks, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dark Inclusions (DIs) Page G'day all, I've just completed the Dark Inclusions page I've been working on. I've attempted to present the available information the best way I could but please let me know if you pick up any large omissions or any errors. I'd also like to make a big thanks to John Kashuba for providing some great pics including an Allende DI in both a normal specimen photo and a subsequent thin section image taken later after sectioning. Thanks again John. It's often thought that these inclusions might represent other groups of Carbonaceous chondrites (i.e. CO, CM) but it seems this is unlikely. The page is located here: www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/DarkInclusions.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting for Randall Gregory
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:52:21 -0400, you wrote: Maybe I misunderstood the latest news releases regarding the illnesses in the Carancas crater event - haven't the ailments finally been attributed to Mass Hysteria? I've also seen a report saying that it was cyanide in the soil released by the impact. But look at the source of the latest information-- this is the same guy who threatened to have Mike Farmer tossed in a really nasty prison if he came anywhere near his obviously non-meteorite craters. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New CK4 - NWA 2952 - AD
Dear List Members, I would like to take this opportunity to announce a new CK4 that I obtained over two years ago but am just now getting a chance to offer it to collectors. I am offering what I have directly to List members on a first-come first-served basis instead of going through eBay at this moment. Whoever emails me their First, Second and/or Third choices the quickest will win that specimen. I suggest using second and third choices in case someone beats you to your first choice. I will be going by the time your email is received and will notify winners as quick as I can so you will know what choice you won. The selection of specimens are below the classification in this email. NWA 2952, a CK4 Carbonaceous Chondrite Found in the Sahara Desert in 2005. This beautiful meteorite has a variety of colored chondrules and an abundance of CAI's imbedded in a greenish-gray matrix. A Total Known Weight of only 102 grams in a single stone is all there is of this example. Close-up image of variety of colorful chondrules: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2952/nwa2952a1.jpg Close-up image of CAI's and chondrules: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2952/nwa2952b1.jpg NWA 2952 CK4 Specimens: 5.754g cs, $175.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc1.jpg 5.45g cs, $165.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc2.jpg 4.758g cs, $155.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc3.jpg 4.342g cs, $140.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc4.jpg 4.186g cs, $135.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc5.jpg 4.162g ec, $133.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc6.jpg 4.132g cs, $136.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc7.jpg 3.928g ec, $130.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc8.jpg 3.364g cs, $114.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc9.jpg 3.304g ec, $112.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00010.jpg 3.224g ps, $106.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00011.jpg 2.47g cs, $86.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00012.jpg 2.268g cs, $80.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00013.jpg 2.102g cs, $74.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00014.jpg 1.974g ec, $70.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00015.jpg 1.798g cs, $63.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00016.jpg 1.062g ps, $37.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00017.jpg 686mg ps, $27.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00018.jpg 596mg polished fragment, $24.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00019.jpg 554mg ps, $22.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00020.jpg 432mg polished fragment, $17.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00021.jpg 324mg ps, $13.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00022.jpg 104mg of fragments, $5.00 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa2952/dsc00023.jpg cs - complete slice ps - part slice ec - end cut If you are interested in any of the above specimens, please email me quickly in order to reserve your top choices. If you are just looking, please enjoy! I still have a great selection of my new Brecciated Lodranite that I started to offer last week. It is NWA 4478. Best regards and Thank You for considering these, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting for Randall Gregory
(Forwarded at Randal Gregory's request) On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Darren, Yes, it is the same guy. Mike Farmer and I had a war of words close to a year ago. I've offered to end this war with Mr. Farmer but have not received a reply. I said things I regret as have most people. You can be judgemental if you like, create labels, or we can continue on. It was looting that I was trying to prevent is exactly what happened in Carancas. It was a field day for thieves. You can post this if you like since I can't. If you think what I say is untrue, tell me. You can label the crater in Aplao as phony. But please, when you label something phony, have scientific evidence to support you claim. You can be positive or negative. Your choice. Randall Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] net wrote: On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 03:52:21 -0400, you wrote: Maybe I misunderstood the latest news releases regarding the illnesses in the Carancas crater event - haven't the ailments finally been attributed to Mass Hysteria? I've also seen a report saying that it was cyanide in the soil released by the impact. But look at the source of the latest information-- this is the same guy who threatened to have Mike Farmer tossed in a really nasty prison if he came anywhere near his obviously non-meteorite craters. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Special Items Ending at Auction - Check Them Out!
Dear List Members, I have several excellent auctions ending this afternoon, this evening, tomorrow and the next day, 122 in all. I loaded a few sizable planetary slices worth hundreds and started them at just 99 cents. There are some very nice individiduals of the new Shergottite NWA 4880 still available but it is selling fast so you may want to pick up a piece of this soon to be official Martian meteorite. Please note some stunning examples of Sikhote Alins with craters and many other great items! All of the auctions can be seen at this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Check out some of these highlights: FREE-STANDING Sikhote Alin with HOLE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161562677 ALIAEN HEAD Sculptural Sikhote Alin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161563461 BEST X/Y Oriented Sikhote Alin, Featured in Meteorite Times: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161564288 LUNAR - 490 Milligram End Cut of Dhofar 908 Started at Just 99 cents, No Reserve! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161565354 LUNAR - 678 Milligram Slice of Dhofar 911 Started at Just 99 cents, No Reserve! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161566481 NWA 4480 Martian Individuals, Remaining Inventory: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161612325 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161612722 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161613863 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161614362 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161615344 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161615799 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161616489 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161616989 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161618839 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161620049 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161621586 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140161623319 And don't forget to check out 122 great items at this link including the cratered Sikhote Alins that I ran out of room to post individually: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brenham Meteorite $5 Silver Cook Islands Coin
Hello everyone, If you preordered the Brenham Meteorite coin and did not get a notice from me, please e-mail me. The coins are moving pretty fast, with about 70% sold. If you have not placed your order, do not wait any longer. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas The 2007 $5 Cook Islands Brenham Meteorite Coin measures 38.61 mm.and weighs 25 grams. The coin is .925 % silver and is partially palladium plated. The palladium, which cost more then silver, gives the sky a neat effect. The coin is self has a face value of $5.00 backed by the Government of the New Zealand, Cook Islands. As this is a commonwealth country, the back of the coin has Queen Elizabeth. Front of coin: http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s17/ksmeteoriteguy/Other/22780_Brenham_Pallasite_Meteorite_o.jpg Back of coin: http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s17/ksmeteoriteguy/Other/22780_Brenham_Pallasite_Meteorite_r.jpg The cost of each coin is $65.00 each. Like the last couple coins I have been a part of, each one is certified by me, so if you want I can sign the certificate if you desire. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] From Randall
Mike, could you please post this one also. Mike Farmer suggested that any remaining fragments under water in the crater would Rot. Does anyone know exactly what would happen to this type of meteorite left underwater? And what effect would the water temperature and relative PH have on this meteorite? If I would have known this when I was at the Carancas crater, I would have taken the water temperature at bottom depth at various times. At this time of the year, the water temperature varies between 40° - 45°. The water in the crater varies in depth, but I expect the bottom to remain consistent with the water table temps. If you've read my previous post. You know that the meteorite material appears to have a irritating effect on mucus membranes and I expect the material is acidic. I'm going to sacrifice a small stone by grinding it and then putting it in a clean plastic film can filled with bottled water. It would be interesting to find out what the PH value is inside the crater vs. the water table. When I return to Carancas, I'll try to make that test. If anyone is knows the effects of water on stoney meteorites, I would appreciate feedback. Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post
Gentlemen, (Please post to the list for me) I have in total 4,740 gms. of the Carancas meteorite with an option for another 500 gm. of material. Of this, a total of 259.6 gms. will be sold. Fusion crusted material comprise a total of 128.8 gm. I consider this to be legally mine, since I bought it from the land-owner and his family. The stones purchased from the family were also blessed by a Catholic priest in the town of Desagaudero. The rest I bought from thieves. Theft is wrong in the eyes of the government and God. The bulk of what I have, I consider it to be stolen and I will not sell any until I talk to the land owner and work out an agreement. Just before I left Desaguadero, I paid $2,000 for the 4 kilo piece from local authorities that was collected (stolen) shortly after the meteorite fell. Any Carancas meteorite over 50gms. that hits the market was obtained illegally. I want to petition the court in Desaguadero to declare anything outside of what was purchased directly from the family to be illegal. Australia and Brazil have National Treasure laws, Peru has laws regarding archeological artifacts, and the United States has private property laws. I will ask that the material currently in scientific institutions be exempted and will ask the land owner and the church in Desaguadero to allow them to keep what they have in the interest of science. Imagine that a meteorite fell onto your property and your local police, newspaper reporters and neighbors came in an took pieces of this meteorite until there was nothing left for you. What would your reaction be? What is Ebay's policy regarding the sales of stolen material? Some people will try to sell this stolen material on Ebay. My question to you, gentlemen, is what moral responsibilites do meteorite dealers have and what percentage of meteorites in the market do you believe to be stolen? Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post
This clown is a legend in his own mind. Don --- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, (Please post to the list for me) I have in total 4,740 gms. of the Carancas meteorite with an option for another 500 gm. of material. Of this, a total of 259.6 gms. will be sold. Fusion crusted material comprise a total of 128.8 gm. I consider this to be legally mine, since I bought it from the land-owner and his family. The stones purchased from the family were also blessed by a Catholic priest in the town of Desagaudero. The rest I bought from thieves. Theft is wrong in the eyes of the government and God. The bulk of what I have, I consider it to be stolen and I will not sell any until I talk to the land owner and work out an agreement. Just before I left Desaguadero, I paid $2,000 for the 4 kilo piece from local authorities that was collected (stolen) shortly after the meteorite fell. Any Carancas meteorite over 50gms. that hits the market was obtained illegally. I want to petition the court in Desaguadero to declare anything outside of what was purchased directly from the family to be illegal. Australia and Brazil have National Treasure laws, Peru has laws regarding archeological artifacts, and the United States has private property laws. I will ask that the material currently in scientific institutions be exempted and will ask the land owner and the church in Desaguadero to allow them to keep what they have in the interest of science. Imagine that a meteorite fell onto your property and your local police, newspaper reporters and neighbors came in an took pieces of this meteorite until there was nothing left for you. What would your reaction be? What is Ebay's policy regarding the sales of stolen material? Some people will try to sell this stolen material on Ebay. My question to you, gentlemen, is what moral responsibilites do meteorite dealers have and what percentage of meteorites in the market do you believe to be stolen? Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post
Dear Randall, meteorites in general are so exorbitantly rare - we're speaking about 600 tons in total, whereof 90% are covered by the 20 largest iron meteorites, but on the other hand so cheap - that from an economical point of view, they are so insignificant, that very most nations never though about creating an own legislation for meteorites. For evident reasons other existing laws, like for resources, treasure finds, artefacts, natural monuments ect. can't be applied on meteorites. E.g in Germany and Austria we had this year a court decision, which awarded the third stone of the famous Neuschwanstein solely to the finder, because no single one of the existing laws fitted, nor demonstrated the land owner the will to accroach the stone, as they weren't searching for it at all. Therefore most of us would ask you kindly to be more careful with your word choice. If you want to bring forward moral arguments, keep in mind, that the largest US-American and European institutional collections would have then to be dissolved, as they were built up with bought pieces. The legal status of the Antarctic meteorites isn't clarified neither. More credibility would have your moral concerns at least to me, if you would hand some additional money in to the land owners later, as the material has to be evaluated somewhat higher than 0.5$/g. (I personally woud guess, that - if not a considerably larger amount will be found - collectors would pay 30-50$ per gram for usually dimensioned slices). My thoughts, only Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael L Blood Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 19:02 An: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post Gentlemen, (Please post to the list for me) I have in total 4,740 gms. of the Carancas meteorite with an option for another 500 gm. of material. Of this, a total of 259.6 gms. will be sold. Fusion crusted material comprise a total of 128.8 gm. I consider this to be legally mine, since I bought it from the land-owner and his family. The stones purchased from the family were also blessed by a Catholic priest in the town of Desagaudero. The rest I bought from thieves. Theft is wrong in the eyes of the government and God. The bulk of what I have, I consider it to be stolen and I will not sell any until I talk to the land owner and work out an agreement. Just before I left Desaguadero, I paid $2,000 for the 4 kilo piece from local authorities that was collected (stolen) shortly after the meteorite fell. Any Carancas meteorite over 50gms. that hits the market was obtained illegally. I want to petition the court in Desaguadero to declare anything outside of what was purchased directly from the family to be illegal. Australia and Brazil have National Treasure laws, Peru has laws regarding archeological artifacts, and the United States has private property laws. I will ask that the material currently in scientific institutions be exempted and will ask the land owner and the church in Desaguadero to allow them to keep what they have in the interest of science. Imagine that a meteorite fell onto your property and your local police, newspaper reporters and neighbors came in an took pieces of this meteorite until there was nothing left for you. What would your reaction be? What is Ebay's policy regarding the sales of stolen material? Some people will try to sell this stolen material on Ebay. My question to you, gentlemen, is what moral responsibilites do meteorite dealers have and what percentage of meteorites in the market do you believe to be stolen? Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post
Hi Folks, I have gotten off line posts from people of a derogatory Nature regarding forwarding Randall's posts. I am not aware of his being struck from the list and if Anyone is having trouble posting to the list I am happy to pass On their posts. If people have issues with Randall, please address those issues To him directly and do not assume to put me in the middle. Thanks, Michael on 10/1/07 10:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please post this. I can tell the list as a matter of fact that Randall is NOT the only one buying this material from the land owner. Her name is Justina Limache ( why do you refer to her as him) and she has sold material to Three American Dealers as well as Hans and Morris. Carl -- Original message -- From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentlemen, (Please post to the list for me) I have in total 4,740 gms. of the Carancas meteorite with an option for another 500 gm. of material. Of this, a total of 259.6 gms. will be sold. Fusion crusted material comprise a total of 128.8 gm. I consider this to be legally mine, since I bought it from the land-owner and his family. The stones purchased from the family were also blessed by a Catholic priest in the town of Desagaudero. The rest I bought from thieves. Theft is wrong in the eyes of the government and God. The bulk of what I have, I consider it to be stolen and I will not sell any until I talk to the land owner and work out an agreement. Just before I left Desaguadero, I paid $2,000 for the 4 kilo piece from local authorities that was collected (stolen) shortly after the meteorite fell. Any Carancas meteorite over 50gms. that hits the market was obtained illegally. I want to petition the court in Desaguadero to declare anything outside of what was purchased directly from the family to be illegal. Australia and Brazil have National Treasure laws, Peru has laws regarding archeological artifacts, and the United States has private property laws. I will ask that the material currently in scientific institutions be exempted and will ask the land owner and the church in Desaguadero to allow them to keep what they have in the interest of science. Imagine that a meteorite fell onto your property and your local police, newspaper reporters and neighbors came in an took pieces of this meteorite until there was nothing left for you. What would your reaction be? What is Ebay's policy regarding the sales of stolen material? Some people will try to sell this stolen material on Ebay. My question to you, gentlemen, is what moral responsibilites do meteorite dealers have and what percentage of meteorites in the market do you believe to be stolen? Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- God doesn't look at how much we do, but with how much love we do it. Mother Teresa -- When Jesus said, Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Randall posts
Greetings all, Several issues have come up for me regarding the Forwarding of Randall's posts to the list: I have contacted Art to check out if I were posting for Someone banned or suspended from the list. Uncharacteristically, I was actually able to get ahold of Art on my first shot (It usually Takes an average of a month to get ahold of Art). Here is the status of the situation: 1) Randall was never banned or suspended. The threats against another List member were in a private post cited by that list member to The list and, therefore, in Art's opinion, not the list's business. 2) Randall had been having problems posting to the list for the Following reasons, of which he has been informed, but which Should be of value for all of us to review so we do not make the Same errors: a) Using multiple addresses and not just the list address (the software reads this as spam). b) Using HTML format - the list accepts Text Only format Exclusively. I apologize to the list for not checking to be sure ahead Of time that I was not forwarding post for someone suspended Or banned. Though that turned out to be the case, I should have Checked first - and in the future, I shall. Like Art, I do not consider posts to the list my business to Censor or judge. However, if I am asked to forward said posts In the future I will read them thoroughly decline if I do not Personally agree with what is being said. While I am not a censor, if I am being asked to take action, agreement with statements being Made will be my fee. In truth, I did not read, but only briefly Scanned what I forwarded and I will not be doing that again. While not wanting to make a huge issue of it, I do not Take for granted at all that all stones from that fall were stolen Except those purchased by Randall. In addition, I believe it to Be of highly questionable value to make a public issue of it, even If it were true. The last thing we need is people screaming, Thief, Thief! (In fact, it reminded me a good deal of the family of nit wits That claim all NWA material EXCEPT THEIRS is not only stolen, But financing terrorism). While not so extreme, the claims by Randall impress me as related. Of course, I could be wrong. My wife often tells me I am. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new fall in africa, iminant near south mali.
hello list. an other fall oh yes,,just an other one. this time in africa a huge fall somewhere near mali. we are collecting the info at the moment, i get a sample, very very fresh , we heard it falls in june and it's likely an h chondrite ,the TKW is about 100 kilos if not more, will keep you informed for more info on this new fall. all the best aziz habibi. if someone want to see photo of the sample email me , i do not know where to host photo , yahoo brook down.and if you want to go hunting good luck. _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pluto-sized planet embryos detected
Pluto-sized planet embryos detected Objects would represent first evidence of stage of early planet formation By Ker Than Staff Writer Space.com Updated: 11:12 a.m. ET Oct 1, 2007 Puffy debris disks around three nearby stars could harbor Pluto-sized planets-to-be, a new computer model suggests. The planet embryos are predicted to orbit three young, nearby stars, located within about 60 light years or less of our solar system. AU Microscopii and Beta Pictoris are both estimated to be about 12 million years old, while a third star, Fomalhaut, is aged at 200 million years old. If confirmed, the objects would represent the first evidence of a never-before-observed stage of early planet formation. Another team recently spotted space lint around a nearby star that pointed to an even earlier phase of planet building, when baseball-sized clumps of interstellar dust grains are colliding together. The new finding will be detailed in an upcoming issue of the Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. Planet puffer-uppers Using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, the researchers measured the vertical thickness of so-called circumstellar debris disks around the stars, and then used a computer model to calculate the size of planets growing within them. The thickness of a debris disk depends on the size of objects orbiting inside it. The ring of dust thins as the star system ages, but if enough dust has clumped together to form an embryonic planet, it knocks the other dust grains into eccentric orbits. Over time, this can puff up what was a razor-thin disk. The new model the researchers created predicts how large the bodies in a disk must be to puff it up to a certain thickness. The results suggest that each of the three stars studied is harboring a Pluto-sized embryonic planet. Even though [the disks] are pretty thin, they turn out to be thick enough that we think there's something in there puffing them up, said study team member Alice Quillen of the University of Rochester in New York. At least one of the stars is thought to contain at least one other planet in addition to the circling Pluto-sized planet. The circumstellar disk of Fomalhaut contains a void that scientists think is being cleared out by a Neptune-sized world. The researchers think the embryonic planets predicted by their model are too small to clear gaps like this in the disk. If you think of water flowing over pebbles, if the pebbles are very small at the bottom of the water, it doesn't make a good ripple, Quillen told Space.com. Too far? All of the embryonic planets predicted to exist in the three systems are located far away from their parent stars. AU Microscopii's budding planet is estimated to lie about 30 AU from its star, or about the same distance that Pluto is from our sun. One AU is equal to the distance between Earth and the sun. The embryonic planets of Beta Pictoris and Fomalhaut are thought to lie even farther, at 100 and 133 AU, respectively. It is the large distances separating the planet embryos and their stars that have drawn the most criticism by colleagues, Quillen said. Many find it hard to believe that any planet, even a diminutive Pluto-sized one, could form at such a far distance. According to the standard theory of how our solar system formed, Pluto formed much closer to the sun but was then knocked out to its current orbit due to instability in the inner solar system. However, there are objects in our solar system that are located even further from our sun and are difficult to explain by this theory. Sedna, for example, is about three-fourths the size of Pluto and is located about three times farther from the sun. Mordecai-Marc Mac Low, an astrophysicist at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City who was not involved in the study, said the new model should be viewed as a plausibility argument for the presence of Pluto-sized objects rather than proof of their existence. The work presented here shows that Pluto-sized objects stirring disks are consistent with the observed disk thicknesses and other properties, Mac Low said. James Graham, an astronomer at the University of California, Berkeley, who was also not involved in the study, expressed a similar sentiment. This calculation is making a bold extrapolation, Graham said in an e-mail interview. It's bit like describing an elephant given a single cell from that animal. With enough knowledge, this is possible if you know enough about microbiology and genetics and could read the DNA in the cell and in principle envision the entire creature. Quillen is now looking for more young stars to investigate with her model, but the criteria to be a candidate are strict. The systems have to be young enough to still have their circumstellar disks, but old enough to be forming embryonic planets. They must also appear edge-on as seen from Earth and be near enough that Hubble can accurately discern the thickness of their disks. At the moment, the three
[meteorite-list] new fall , south mali photo.
hello list and here is a link for photo of a sample of this new fall. more to come. http://www.meteoritebiz.com/AzizNewFall.htm thanks aziz habibi _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] STEREO Sees Solar Hurricane Detach Comet Tail (Comet 2/P Encke)
Oct. 1, 2007 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laura Spector/Nancy Neal Jones Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt Md. 301-286-0918/0039 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] RELEASE: 07-214 NASA SATELLITE SEES SOLAR HURRICANE DETACH COMET TAIL GREENBELT, Md. - A NASA satellite has captured the first images of a collision between a comet and a solar hurricane. It is the first time scientists have witnessed such an event on another cosmic body. One of NASA's pair of Solar Terrestrial Relations Observatory satellites, known as STEREO, recorded the event April 20. The phenomenon was caused by a coronal mass ejection, a large cloud of magnetized gas cast into space by the sun. The collision resulted in the complete detachment of the plasma tail of Encke's comet. Observations of the comet reveal the brightening of its tail as the coronal mass ejection swept by and the tail's subsequent separation as it was carried away by the front of the ejection. The researchers combined the images into a movie. We were awestruck when we saw these images, says Angelos Vourlidas, lead author and researcher at the Naval Research Laboratory, Washington. This is the first time we've witnessed a collision between a coronal mass ejection and a comet and the surprise of seeing the disconnection of the tail was the icing on the cake. Encke's comet was traveling within the orbit of Mercury when a coronal mass ejection first crunched the tail then ripped it completely away. The comet is only the second repeating, or periodic, comet ever identified. Halley's comet was the first. Scientists at the Naval Research Laboratory made the observations using the Heliospheric Imager in its Sun Earth Connection Coronal and Heliospheric Investigation telescope suite aboard the STEREO-A spacecraft. The results will be published in the Oct. 10 issue of the Astrophysical Journal Letters. Coronal mass ejections are violent eruptions with masses greater than a few billion tons. They travel from 60 to more than 2,000 miles per second. They have been compared to hurricanes because of the widespread disruption they can cause when directed at Earth. These solar hurricanes cause geomagnetic storms that can present hazards for satellites, radio communications and power systems. However, coronal mass ejections are spread over a large volume of space, mitigating their mass and power to create an impact softer than a baby's breath. Scientists have been aware of the disconnection of the entire plasma tail of a comet for some time, but the conditions that lead to these events remained a mystery. It was suspected that coronal mass ejections could be responsible for some of the disconnected events, but the interaction between a coronal mass ejection and a comet never had been observed. Preliminary analysis suggests the disconnection likely is triggered by what is known as magnetic reconnection, in which the oppositely directed magnetic fields around the comet are crunched together by the magnetic fields in the coronal mass ejection. The comet fields suddenly link together, reconnecting, to release a burst of energy that detaches the comet's tail. A similar process takes place in Earth's magnetosphere during geomagnetic storms, powering the aurora borealis and other phenomena. Comets are icy leftovers from the solar system's formation billions of years ago. They usually reside in the cold, distant regions of the solar system. Occasionally, the gravitational tug from a planet, another comet or a nearby star sends a comet into the inner solar system, where the sun's heat and radiation vaporizes gas and dust from the comet to form its tail. Comets typically have two tails: one of dust and a fainter one of electrically conducting gas called plasma. Even though STEREO is primarily designed to study coronal mass ejections, particularly their impact on Earth, we hope this impact will provide many insights to scientists studying comets, said Michael Kaiser, STEREO project scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. STEREO is the third mission in NASA's Solar Terrestrial Probes program, sponsored by NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Goddard manages the mission, instruments, and science center. The Heliospheric Imager was built in the United Kingdom by Rutheford Appleton Laboratory and the University of Birmingham with major contributions from the Naval Research Laboratory and the Centre Spatial de Liege, Belgium. Other international partners in the STEREO mission include the European Space Agency and France, Germany, Hungary and Switzerland. For more information and the related images, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/stereo -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WG: another Randall post
Von: Randall Gregory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Montag, 1. Oktober 2007 23:29 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] another Randall post Martin, (please post) Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am not talking about what other meteorite hunters do when they go to the field. An example is Mike Farmer. He went to Columbia risking his life to legitimately buy meteorites from the land-owner. It was a fair and equitable transaction. No looting involved. If he had gone down there, broke into the house and stole the meteorites, then that would be a different story, but Mike does not operate like that. He pays good money to the rightful owners. No harm there. You have my word that the land-owner will be rightfully compensated. You are welcome to accompany me when I return to Carancas. I don't know what the compensation will be, but I guarentee that it will be fair. I didn't enter into this for the money. It is something I enjoy doing. It gives me an opportunity to meet some wonderful people while exploring this beautiful continent. Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Multi-impact pitts in one S-A
It looks like a spiny sea urchin! :) Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:08 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Multi-impact pitts in one S-A To see a S-A with over 30 impact pits check out the last 2 photos at: http://community.webshots.com/album/560871730iNuDKj __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Super-Meteor' Lights Finland Sky
http://www.yle.fi/news/id71032.html 'Super-Meteor' Lights up Northern Sky YLE News (Finland) September 29, 2007 The apparent superbolide seen over Finland late Friday was many times brighter than these average meteors. Finland's biggest astronomical association, Ursa, says that a light phenomenon seen over much of northern and eastern Finland on Friday night was a meteor -- the brightest seen in the country in more than 30 years. The editor of the organization's journal http://www.avaruus.fi/, Marko Pekkola, says it was a superbolide, a fireball more than 100 times brighter than a full moon. The fireball was apparently caused by a space rock striking the atmosphere over Northern Ostrobothnia and then exploding over Finland. Ursa says the rock may have weighed some 200 kilogrammes. However it was not clear on Saturday whether any meteorites fell to the ground. The dazzling 'shooting star' spurred worried telephone calls to emergency centres in various parts of Finnish Lapland, as far apart as Kemi, Enontekiö and Ivalo. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Randall posts
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:52:58 -0700, you wrote: Thief! (In fact, it reminded me a good deal of the family of nit wits That claim all NWA material EXCEPT THEIRS is not only stolen, But financing terrorism). So, you are saying that you don't want the latest all new meteorite coin? http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/NWA.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new fall , south mali photo.
Cool, With Bassikounou, The Peru fall and now this Mali Fall there should be plenty of new fresh meteorites to satisfy all the meteorite addicts on the globe. BE - Original Message - From: habibi abdelaziz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new fall , south mali photo. hello list and here is a link for photo of a sample of this new fall. more to come. http://www.meteoritebiz.com/AzizNewFall.htm thanks aziz habibi _ Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
Supplied by Randal Gregory. I believe that these are the first photos of any of the meteorite to be available. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/titicaca/DSC00010.JPG http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/titicaca/DSC00014.JPG Could it be an LL? The color, and the orangish spot in the first photo remind me of NWA 1584 (with the orangish in 1584 being around the troilite). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
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Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
Than you very much for the photos. I am willing to concede that this is probably really a meteorite fall. I had big doubts earlier, because it was so anomalous compared to what we usually expect from a fall (choking vapors, 'boiling' water, no meteorite recovered at first, little scientific information either except for the media hype). I look forward to the final analysis. Supposedly the area was shelled with additional small rocks. Has anyone recovered any of these other pieces? If they found some that hadn't been sitting in the bottom of a noxious puddle for several days, that would be even more scientifically valuable. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:22:55 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos Supplied by Randal Gregory. I believe that these are the first photos of any of the meteorite to be available. http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/titicaca/DSC00010.JPG http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/titicaca/DSC00014.JPG Could it be an LL? The color, and the orangish spot in the first photo remind me of NWA 1584 (with the orangish in 1584 being around the troilite). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] bonhams meteorite catalog now in print with 50% more images than in the online edition
hi there, it's with the utmost humility and profound appreciation to claudia florian, alex galesic and dick goodbody that i wanted to mention that the bonhams meteorite catalog is pretty darn okay. (please also note there are about 50% more images in the printed catalog than on-line). i wish it was even less expensive---it was a bit of a fight to get the price down to $25 (the natural history catalogs go for $35)---and i hope those of you who obtain a copy enjoy it. for further information, write [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call the natural history department at (323) 436-5437 all best/ darryl __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
(Forwarded, from Randall Gregory) Darren, (post please, but respond privately) What do you think it's worth? What would be a fair and just price since I have yet to put any stones on Ebay. I would certainly prefer to avoid the hassles of Ebay, cuz I just don't have the time. I would rather be on the road. Right now, I'm looking to cover my expenses and a little reserve for future expeditions. I'm posponing my trip to the Amazon River and plan on going back to the crater next week for 3 or 4 days and with equipment. I have the owner's permission to scour the area, including inside the crater. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
(post re: discussion on tips on how best to photograph meteorites, and request for opinions, forwarded for RG about Peru meteorite. Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Please post. Yes, my film camera is a Nikon F100 with large aperature Nikon lenses. I normally use Fuji Professional Velvia. shit I just realized something. I used to shoot blank and white using Kodak Tech-Pan then developing my own negatives because there was no labs that could process it at the time. I shot a newspaper page taped to my garage door standing across the street, blew it up and you could clearly read the print. How important is color in meteorite photos vs. detail? I could get extreme detail by switching to Tech Pan, but that would require me to return to the United States for a bit. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
(post re: discussion on tips on how best to photograph meteorites, and request for opinions, forwarded for RG about Peru meteorite. Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Please post. Yes, my film camera is a Nikon F100 with large aperature Nikon lenses. I normally use Fuji Professional Velvia. shit I just realized something. I used to shoot blank and white using Kodak Tech-Pan then developing my own negatives because there was no labs that could process it at the time. I shot a newspaper page taped to my garage door standing across the street, blew it up and you could clearly read the print. How important is color in meteorite photos vs. detail? I could get extreme detail by switching to Tech Pan, but that would require me to return to the United States for a bit. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Titicaca meteorite-- phinally, photos
Sorry that message went through multiple times-- seems to have been a hiccup in the list, and I didn't think it went through. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
